A New Sleeper Cell: The Bushies
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Yeah, yeah, that title is provocative, I'll admit it. But seriously, is the Bush White House a sleeper cell of Democrats? That could explain why they never booted all the Democrat hacks who have set about destroying the President's policies.
And that could explain No Child Left Behind, the Medicare bill, and now Bush's immigration position.
It'd also explain Mel Martinez as head of the RNC, who has only appeared publicly to talk about the immigration bill.
Now there is this. An RNC caller soliciting donations, bashing the Republicans. Wow.
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Bush is headed to the toilet. He thinks by making the proper noises with the leftist slant he is currently taking will rescue him, he is dead wrong. The Liberals hate him and now his former supporters abandon him over immigration.
First the dumb no child left behind Kennedy bill, followed by the overly expensive prescription drug debacle and now AMNESTY. Compassionate conservative, deader than a door nail. He has gone past the point of recovery.
....is that this bill will deliver Hispanic votes to the Republican party. He feels that these new Hispanics coming in will vote for Republicans if we enact this immigration bill.
1. Is he wrong?
2. Why is he wrong (or right)?
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Democrats are masters of racial politics. Hispanics, especially Mexican Hispanics, are very susceptible to this type of manipulation. Republicans can never outbid Democrats on racial spoils.
Hispanic immigrants- primarily Mexicans- 1) are typically on the lower end of the economic scale, 2) lack health insurance 3) typically live in large, urban areas 4) are a racial minority.
You tell me how someone who fits those categories has (overwhelmingly) voted in the past.
Or better yet, as another poster observed yesterday, let's just take a look at voting trends in California over the past 50 years and see if we can figure it out.
Just for the record, I do not believe "how will Hispanics vote" is any kind of basis for deciding what to do about immigration.
But anybody that claims that it will be a net positive for Republican votes is out of their mind.
I've lived on the US/Mexico border. They vote Democrat almost exclusively. There are some Republican Hispanics but they are rare. The majority of Hispanics are fairly conservative on some issues (like abortion), but very liberal on most others.
We may be able to persuade some 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants to "see the light" if you will, but the millions of illegals here now will not be voting "R". In fact, the Dems. will continually remind them that WE are the "mean, racist Repulicans" who "didn't want to give them their rights."
if we just give Hispanics a chance, their 40:60 preference for Democrats will eventually give Republicans an unstoppable majority.
The implicit bashing of the president by an RNC solicitor. The direct bashing of his mark. Or that I consider it reasonable the bushies are a sleeper cell ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Bush couldn't be anymore wrong about Hispanics and Republicans.
First and foremost voting patterns are determined by your family and societal environment. Most Hispanics nationally by 3 to 1 vote Democrat. Furthermore, one of the main complaints against so many coming at one time is that they don't assimilate well and stay confined to the Hispanic neighborhoods where they live.
Lastly, As much as I hate to admit it the debate in the last year with the help of Senor Bush and the MSM has portrayed the conservatives who want the border secured as anti-hispanic.
Based upon these factors 3 to 1 isnt going to cut it and the GOP is looking at an electoral nightmare for the next decade. I think given the small margins in Nevada and New Mexico those states will probably be lost next time and I think Colorado will be extremely shaky. I look for Arizona to be blue by 2010, and Texas to be purple by 2015. Folks if Democrats put together any 3 of the four (Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona) Florida and Ohio won't even matter anymore. These losses could be made up in the Upper Midwest and Pennsylvania. But I'm not convinced (1) anyonethat voted for Kerry would flip because of this one issue and (2) if there are those types of voters Im not sure there are enough of them. I think most people on the side of this are already voting Republican. This is perhaps the biggest flaw in my argument...anyone with more knowledge on the Upper Midwest can attack this if they have more information.
Now all of this said voting patterns can change. The south was solidly Democrat for years but starting in the 1960's it changed slowly and slowly until Reagan (with the brief Clinton blip) and Bush II locked the region up. So its not impossible Hispanics will never vote in lock with Republicans, but the process will be hard and painful.
I am a naturally born pessimist so I welcome any posts explaining where I've forgotten something or my argument is wrong.
In light of the past actions with the Medicare drug benefit, the run away spending, etc. etc. maybe it was just us who were sleeping. It is just a thought anyway.
Either way it is not good, but the blinders are now off.
All that remains is where do we go from here?
The Bush family has been really bad for the Republican Party and this country in general. I hope and pray we are not duped by Jeb now.
"Wubbies World" - MSgt, U.S. Air Force (Retired): "Call to Me and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know." -Jer 33:3-
Both Bush presidents routinely were slandered by Denocrats and both continued to work with them with a minimum of return fire. Neither one ever grasped who or what they were up against and always believed in cooperation and backslapping.
There may be closet Dems in the administration but there presence is unnecessary, most "moderate" republicans regard conservatives as bearers of plague & pestilence and most have no trouble working with the party that would destroy them.
It's part ot their sophisticated make up, the enemies are to the right, not the left.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
....you live with it, you change it or you repeal it. What is frighteneing, if you listen to the other side, is what they have planned as coming. Hillary's Collective Utopia is just on the other side of the November '08 Elections. Ben Franklin's words, "If we All don't hang together we'll all hang separately," were never more true than today. Hillary's intent is top do away with men, and the ideals that they generate, like John Basilone, Audie Murphy, Scott, Amundsen, Perry, Yeager, Lewis, Clark, Crockett, Boone, Hale, Columbus, Micheangelo, DaVinci, Einstein and all the others who have lead mankind, sometimes screaming, away from its daily pursuit of grubbing for its fruits,roots, and nuts into the modern era, and replace them with her 'vision' of the Socialist Utopia in the sky.
There are places where that Socialist Utopia already exists in this country, where that great leveling has occurred already.
I know of the the doctors writing prescriptions for codeine containing cough syrups in gallon quantities only to have those gallons used as pancake syrup on the Indian Reservation's breakfast tables. I have seen the doctors in the inner city hospital children's clinics ordering Kwell in the gallon quantities with the express purpose of treating every one on the city street, because one child came into their clinic with head lice. I have seen the thirteen year old female medicaid recipient waiting in line to pick up her birth control prescription, wondering aloud to her boyfriend, whether she might use her medicaid card to pay for her pictures.
Apparently, we won the first battle with Communism under Ronald Reagan, but we are about to lose the war, because the agents for the Great Leveling are battering the gates with their ram. Unless we cease our bickering, pull the pieces of Conservatism back together coherently, we'll all have to learn to wait patiently for our turn at the collective latrine that Dear Hillary is promising for us.
I'm not convinced that a HRC presidency will take us into the Socialist Dark Ages that many have been projecting, for two reasons.
First, as has been shown since January, our side in the House can be very good at hanging together and obstructing the Democrat agenda, and I think a Clinton presidency would only make them dig their heels in even further.
Second, I think Hillary is far too intelligent a politician to try to inact radical changes in this country like Obama and Edwards have been throwing around. Remember, this is the woman who was so badly burned by HillaryCare that her political career was nearly destroyed. Only after Monica Lewinsky turned her into a sympathetic figure (the "wounded woman") was she rehabilitated. I don't see her making the same kind of mistake again.
IMO, her rhetoric thus far has been just that, rhetoric. Hillary's in trouble with the liberal base over her last six years of running the centrist line, so she's following Nixon's advice and playing to them during the primary season in order to defeat Obama and Edwards. If she wins the Democratic nomination, I predict a hard tack back to the center for the general. That's how she's won in NY, and that's how she'll try to win in 2008.
I totally disagree on Hillary. She operates out of anger and revenge. She is playing nice until she gets elected. The first thing she does is change her name again to Hillary Rodham and then look out.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
...both the Clintons have the hammer and sickle tattooed into their scalps, dealing with Newt and the rest of the Conservative block is all that prevented us from having to serve out our meagher existences in some commune organized under Comrade Hillary's edict. I hope I didn't make the dog sicker?
And as I rode the train in this morning I was pondering this article in the Washington Times:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070601-122909-8977r.htm
I guess the Republican Party is starting to feel the burn from spurning their base, even if the RNC rep does claim they are outraising the Dems. Which, quite frankly I don't believe anyway. I thought I read last month that Dems were outraising the Republican overall in hard cash, let alone their 527 cash.
Yep, all we need now is for the President to go out and accuse the base of being bigots.....
Please substitute the word, Rockefeller or Wall Street Republican, for Moderate Republican. There are plenty of Moderate Republicans who are against the Immigration Bill and think the Bushies are incompetent. They might consider themselves moderate because of some fiscal or social issues, but I wouldn't call Republicans in favor of the immigration bill, Moderates per se. They are Rockefeller, Wall Street, or Internationalist Republicans. The majority of Moderate Republicans (or Moderate Democrats), want the borders secured first.
Despite all of the political "window dressing" to get votes/win elections, the Bushes are part of the Eastern Liberal (Internationalist) Establishment. This oligarchy chooses up political sides in the democratic system, but they are still an oligarchy that wants a "world economic order." What are they teaching the highest socio-economic classes at Ivy League universities?
Just like Zell Miller, I feel like I no longer have A political party. As A social conservative two issues affect my vote deeply. One is limiting government, two is American economic prosperity. Both go hand in hand, and "Comprehensive Amnesty" I mean Immigration, fly's in the face of my two core beliefs. Im afraid We are on the brink of an unbearable economic burden, not even our children will dig out of. We have one tax cut, and several major entitlement programs to show for our loyalty to this president. Yet he sees fit to kick us like mangy dogs for our loyalty. I beleive we have high expectations, because we are people of principle; who do what we say we were going to do. I hear nothing but lip service from current GOP candidates. Even as A Mormon I cant get excited about Mit, to liberal for me. I heard Johnny Mcstain saying we have two options Round up the Illegals, or give them amnesty? Are we so short sighted that this is the best option for the country? How about Really fining these employers for breaking the law. How about punishing these people for stealing Identity's. How about requiring they pay cash for Medical care, before recieving services. How about we take the Thirty Billion Bush promised for aids releif in Africa, and build A proper cold war Berlin wall style fence; then back it up with an additional 100,000 border enforcment agents. Here in Phoenix there has been A murder every other day relating to Human trafficking, not to mention all of the rapes, molestations and so on.
I got A letter from the RNC requesting my opinion on certain subjects, and asking for A donation. Not one dime will go to the RNC until our representatives start doing what they were elected to do. If this Bill passes My republican voters card goes in the garbage, and I register Independant.
Sorry for the rant, but I speak for alot of AZ conservatives.
and have those two items as your top priority. They make you a fiscal, not a social, conservative.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
I beg you.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
No Child Left Behind
Dubai Ports
Harriet Miers
Immigration Reform
Mel Martinez
Not getting rid of the Clinton holdovers
Those are but a few of the serious problems with George W Bush. He is no conservative. He and his band of merry idiots are ruining the GOP. Someone needs to come along that can rescue it before it is dead for a LONG time to come.
NCLB - Campaigned on it; although didn't fight hard enough for VOUCHERS.
Dubai Ports - Good idea to reward a GOOD Arab country with the ability to bid on TERMINAL OWNERSHIP, anti-free-traders killed it relying heavily on Democrats and unions...
Harriet Meiers - Was a sure, 100% vote to overturn RVW; we got something good in Alito anyway
Immigration Reform - Campaigned on it
Mel Martinez - Great Senator & fellow Cubano with lifetime 100% ACU rating (oh, I forgot, if your not Dobsian on one issue you can't be a real conservative [sarcasm])
Not Getting Rid of Clintonistas -- Fine, I agree with this point. The new tone was naive.
George W. Bush is clearly conservative. He is not a "movement conservative" but his politics are at least 7.5-8 on a scale of 10 being the most conservative (a 10 would have a lot of negatives including restrictionism & isolationism)
Spitballs?!?! / Yo No Soy Marinero, Soy Capitan
There really isn't a bottom with this Administration.