And Now It's Time For California Super-Duper Tuesday Open Thread.
Plus Alaska, but. Well. You know how it is.
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[UPDATE] And CNN calls it for Clinton and McCain. In both cases, by lots.
Out of curiosity, what's the Spanish for "No, you can't?"
Polling's closed, and in about a half hour we get to see what we will see.
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I'd like to split that state in two. It just looks wrong. I'm not one for war with our neighbors, but I'd really like to annex Baja as well. Three Californias would be better than one.
Other than that, I'm looking forward to all of the results. It looks like we are experiencing the Chinese curse of living in "interesting times".
One centered around San Diego, one around LA, one around the SF/Oakland/San Jose area, and one with the more rural eastern CA/northern CA areas that are left. Granted, that gets you two solid blue states, one solid red state, and one tossup (that'd be the San Diego based one I live in).
If that happens I hope Southern Oregon gets annexed with NorCal, so we can have our voice heard. Right now, PDX drowns us out!
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
This is Fred country and I can't tell you how good it felt to press that button with Fred Thompson as my choice. I got home and fired up my Cuban Cohiba and poured 2 fingers of Johnny Walker blue label. Dreamin' of what could (SHOULD!) have been. Hope you're all happy with your RINO.
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
... if CNN's exit polls are accurate and the final margin between McCain and Mitt is one or two percent (I'm begin to suspect they're not, and there's a Mormon equivalent of the Bradley effect in play) in McCain's favor, then anyone who voted for Fred or Rudy (or Tranc or Duncan) after they dropped out (or didn't wait until after Florida to send in their absentee ballot) is pretty much at fault for letting McCain win, and letting the perfect be the enemey of the good.
Mitt has NO moral convictions, PERIOD. We had our true conservative candidate but it was people like YOU that supported Flipper. Deal with that!
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
large swaths of election problems today around the state.
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Wanted to be the fist one to blame President Bush for this, had to be him or Karl....somehow...some way.
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Minnesota just called for Romney.
How absolutely awful the Minnesota Poll (Star Tribune) is. I'm not sure they actually bother to pick up a telephone when they conduct that poll. They had McCain with a huge lead in MN and it's the only game in town, so there was nothing to compare it to.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
If the attitude at my caucus was reflective of the statewide Republican base, then it may very well be that the Strib poll *was* accurate but that the shenanigans in West Virginia combined with McCain's gloating all day angered enough people to push things to Romney. When the Huckabuck representative stood up and asked who had heard about the WV win about 2/3 of the room raised their hands and then he proceeded to endure significant sniping and heckling about it. Many people I spoke to was mad as hell that the RNC is shoving McCain down our throats and many of them said they came to the caucus just to vote against McCain.
The MN caucus doesn't start voting until 7pm--so we got to sit and watch the nonsense all day long before heading out to vote. Gov. Pawlenty better hope his mac-daddy McCain takes him to DC, because he may have worn out his welcome here.
Not as exciting as the Presidential primary, but there are some interesting initiatives on the ballot.
A few expanding Indian gaming (casinos)
A few dealing with cutting up the shrinking Tax pie into finer pieces to give more money to community colleges.
And one to change the rules on term limits, in favor of a few of the top Democrats in the Assembly.
I voted a strait ticket on them...NO.
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http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/delegates?ref=ipb
From Drudge Report:
CLINTON: AR, AZ, MA, MO, NY, NJ, OK, TN
OBAMA: AL, CT, CO, DE, GA, ID, IL, KS, MN, ND, UT
HUCKABEE: AL, AR, GA, TN, WV
MCCAIN: AZ, CT, DE, IL, MO, NJ, NY, OK
ROMNEY: CO, MA, MN, MT, ND, UT
We all knew McCain was going to take the Rockefeller East and most of those southern states that Huck won are proportionally allotted. Not a good night for Romney, but the guy just won six freaking states and he is being put out to pasture. Get real.
Yah, and Romney won those terribly difficult states like Massachusetts, Utah and North Dakota.
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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
But he is winning states and so is Huck, McCain is going to come out tonight with a lot of work to do.He is not going to be anywhere the total of delegates needed adn this race has been extremely volatile.
...New York. It ain't the states, it's the delegates.
1. McCain, 2. Thompson, 3. Giuliani, 4. Romney
He's a great caucuser, of course: he has the money and therefore, the organization to win them. Apart from those, where has he won? MA and Utah.
Check the states where people actually voted:
Down 12 in Delaware, which he was supposed to win.
Third place in Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee and all over the South. How can a guy who perfoms so badly in the South be the republican nominee?
Down 20 in Illinois, down 19 in Connecticut, down 18% in New Jersey, down 15 in New York (he was a governor for a NE state).
He's taking Massachusetts by 9 and losing Arizona by 15.
Face it: the guy just doesn't connect with the voters.
He's taking Massachusetts by 9 and losing Arizona by 15.
I did not realize that. I confess, that is a surprise. The more you look at it, the worse Romney is looking.
Wow!
None of the candidates connect with voters. We are still pretty much at a three-way split amount McCain, Romney, and Huckabee, some are stronger in some sections of the country and some are stronger in others. McCain is winning pluralities, not majorities.
And another thing, do we really want states like IL, CT, NJ, NY, and DE deciding our candidate? I am all for democracy but these guys do not have a great track record for electing presidents.
do we really want states like IL, CT, NJ, NY, and DE deciding our candidate?
Yes!
And for the record, I do not live in any of those states.
That's about how many electoral votes the Republicans get from those states.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Grassroots voters come out to caucuses. These voters are usually more involved in the process, more in tune with the party, and are not as swayed by pretty commercials.
What the numbers are showing is that the vast majority of uninformed voters in primary states are voting for McCain or Huckabee, but the party grassroots work horses in caucus states are voting for Romney.
Here in a precinct in Colorado, we had a few adamant Ron Paul supporters, one McCain supporter, and one Huckabee supporter. The rest were strongly opposed to McCain (about 20). They voted for the delegates who said they would vote for Romney, not because they were persuaded by Romney, but because they are scared to death of McCain.
Romney did blanket the area with phone calls in the last couple of days, but that usually affects primary voters easier than caucus voters. I doubt many people there would have been able to even put up a good case for Romney. They talked about McCain the whole time.
1) Many of his wins are in smaller caucuses, which don't have the delegates to offer that the larger primary states do. (An oversimplification, admittedly, but it generally holds true.) Besides, IMHO, caucuses don't really gauge the amount of support as much as organization and the enthusiasm of support. In honesty, I actually think Romney would have won an Iowa primary but alas, that was not to be.
2) Romney is coming in a really poor third in most of the South. That, IMHO, is what really does him in. He cannot win the South and a Republican Presidential candidate must be able to win the South.
Mitt Romney just cannot do it. I think he should get out now and if he doesn't win at least 40% of the California delegates he really has no reason to continue.
Romney is coming in a close third in most of the south, when compared with Huckabees third place finishes in the rest of the country.
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
Sorry, saying "Well, but it was a close third" is about the most sad justification I've ever heard.
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the question is whether he will more than 50% of CA delegates
40% won't be enough to save him. he has to win CA to stay alive.
he just might do it. we'll see.
I think McCain will win California but I do think it will be close. My point is that if it's not close -- that is, if Romney does not win at least 40% of the delegates -- then he really should withdraw.
Honestly, considering how bad I think Romney did in the South, I think he should withdraw now. If he is not competitive in California, then how in the world can he be competitive against McCain anywhere?
You can't afford the price of free corn.
Yes, because, clearly, all states are equal in how many delegates they have.
And all have the same system for appointing delegates.
Because, you know, he gets lots of delegates from NY, NJ, CT, etc.
And McCain doesn't get any delegates from Massachusetts.
Oh, wait, I got that all backwards.
John Bolton for President
"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
If Romney doesn't get at least 40% of the delegates in California, he should call it quits. The fact is that he is losing BIG in the South. In fact, he showing is so poor in the South that I actually now doubt that he could carry it in the general election; and any Republican that cannot carry the South in the general election simply cannot win.
Bluntly, I think Romney is done. He just did too bad in the South. And if he cannot do well in California, he simply has no good reason to continue (unless it is to spend his own money, stroke his own ego, and raze the ire of McCain).
At this point, I think Romney continuing actually starts to hurt the Republican Party and, yes, the conservative movement. So far he is losing too badly.
If that's the case then I guess I can no longer say Mitt can't win in the South. {smile}
Still, I think I will wait for the official results.
San Diego and Orange County have big military and ex-military populations. San Diego has Pendleton, Miramar, and the Navy base in San Diego proper. A couple of Orange County's bases were closed (El Toro and Tustin), but there's still a big military presence. The Mormon church is big in those two counties, but the military and pro-life vote might make for an uphill battle for Romney.
You can't afford the price of free corn.
A nice showing from Candidate Uncommitted with 23 delegates.
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he even knew how many precincts there are here. Big absentee vote to Juan McCain and in person voters (like me) to Romney.
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Don't do it again, please.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Mitt wins Utah...who'd a thunk?
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Why dont they obey! Why can I not buy individual votes? Why do Republicans have to think for themselves?
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
He has a chance to help drive this nomination to a brokered convention. That is the biggest middle finger, poke in the eye that Romney could give McCain. It is becoming more personal than politics imho.
He would need to continue funding his campaign at the same level to be competitive. He might do it out of spite, but his financial background might give him pause.
Clinton's over Obama 55% to 33% on the democrat side in CA
McCain 45%, Romney 24%, Huckabee 11%
We'll see if this holds up. Not a good day so far for Romney, I fear.
The early votes counted were absentee ballots that went strong to McCain, the later votes when strong to Romney. Keep hope alive!
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
Mitt and gracious hasn't exactly defined his campaign for the past 6 months.
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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
he stayed loyal to bush... and it is helping (at least a little)
romney shakes mccain's hand and solidifies the base with huck & thompson... and he may have chance at a serious run against jeb in 4-8 years...
But please, please don't use his "loyalty" as one of the reasons. It won't be very persuasive to those you are trying to persuade.
in '00 and '04.... you can't deny that
that is all I am saying. those who disagree are both forgetful, and ungrateful.
We would not be having this conversation right now. He got hammered by Bush in '00, and to do other than campaign for him would have ended his Presidential aspirations then and there.
Simple as that.
Loyalty doesn't mean loving everything someone does. Nor does it mean supporting everything someone does. It DOES mean, when the chips are down, you are there for the person.
McCain was there for him when the chips are down.
That counts as loyalty for me.
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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
But am I being asked to believe that being supportive of the war in Iraq, the ONLY stance that a potential Republican nominee could possibly take, non-negotiable, is being loyal to George Bush?
He'd have to win something in the meantime and govern as an actual conservative for 4-6 years before he'd have a shot. What's he going to win?
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
he could be gov in utah, michigan, or utah...
or go back to a successful businessman building contacts and bridges. look at nixon in 68... he had not held office in 8 years.
His lack of cred is why he lost this time. Sitting around for 8 years isn't going to help him improve on that. It seems pretty unlikely we will be seeing more of him at this point.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
conservative rhetoric, so he looks more credible. a michigan governorship would go a long way.
or building another business--and then running on the economy...
he will be back. I may support him next time... if jeb does not run.
election. He is a moderate-liberal-conservative from Mass, he seems fake or unreal, he will be a loser in a primary, he will be as done as done can be.
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Mitt hasn't been gracious? This coming from a supporter of the "angry" little man?
counting out Obama again?
I'm watching his speech right now on TV.
The charm gap between him and McCain (our frontrunner) is just H-U-G-E.
This guy is inspirational. He's an amazing public speaker, and he knows how to work the crowd, at least on TV. I've never seen him or McCain in person, but on TV, Obama will own McCain in rhetoric.
Even if he loses the nomination to Hill-Bill in 2008, we'll see him again, possibly as early as 2012.
Is there any conservative candidate out there who can go toe to toe with Obama in terms of TV presence, charm, rhetorical ability? Even my choice, Fred, would have a tough time against this guy.
If only he weren't a totally leftist lightweight crackpot eager to surrender the country to the forces of darkness.
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"When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth." - Teddy Roosevelt
check my post history first before you throw down insults, moron.
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"When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth." - Teddy Roosevelt
...but it's the same boilerplate BS platitudes at every speech he gives. Not much substance, and a lot of class warfare.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
It worked just fine for Bill Clinton.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
if you guys are the backbone of our party, then maybe "we" are whimps with no backbone.
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Molon Labe!
I think in a three-way competition between Bush and the malfunctioning robot or the French windsurfer, Bush wins the good speaker prize.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
I still think Hillary is most likely to come away with it. She'll do whatever she has to. She'll just change the rules at the last minute if she doesn't like the outcome. She is already talking about doing just that. I just think we need to be rooting for Hillary big time. Obama worries me a great deal.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
...and she likely has a few tricks up her sleeve, but don't you think she would have squashed him by now if she could?
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
If he drops before it's all spent - well, I guess we'll know what the sticker price is for a Democratic Party VP slot. The only question is, will he come with power steering?
Moe
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
But oratory does count in politics.
What he says is utter crap, and truly dangerous for the country. But how he says them is just... amazing.
So the question is, from a straight oratory standpoint, who do we have that can compete with this guy? Because his political career is not over after 2008, even if the Clinton machine takes him out.
Honestly, Huckabee has the sort of rhetorical skills to match up with Obama, but his problems have been thrashed on Redstate already.
Unless there's some sort of horrid scandal in Obama's closet that is waiting to come out, this guy is a real challenge for us.
How good is Bobby Jindal on TV and on the stump?
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"When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth." - Teddy Roosevelt
I don't care what the head-to-head polls say right now. Obama is a great candidate. Probably the best candidate the Democrats could run right now, and certainly the best since Bill Clinton. I'll be hoping it stays close until Hillary steals it by changing the rules at the convention. That's the best-case scenario for us.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
I still think Hillary wins the primary.
However, while I am impressed with Obama's speaking style and charisma, I was actually encouraged by the left wing tenor of his speech. He is saying a lot of silly things, and this presents us quite an opening, if he manages to make it into the general.
But then again, I still think Hillary has his number.
"If only he weren't a totally leftist lightweight crackpot eager to surrender the country to the forces of darkness."
Forces of darkness???? Just a wee bit over the top, doncha think?
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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan
Who strap bombs to women with Down's syndrome to kill innocent civilians?
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"When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth." - Teddy Roosevelt
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Also: mind tone, please.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Are you so sure that he's finished? He's a young man in political terms. We'll see him again, if he doesn't win outright. And if he does win outright...
The thought of the Left having both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama as ex-presidents, two of the most talented politicians I've seen, and both still young, still vital is absolutely frightening to me.
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"When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth." - Teddy Roosevelt
early CA numbers big for McCain. Anybody know where they are coming from. I assuem not a Romney stronghold
...system of selecting our nominee. It seems like a better system to me.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
It does give the frontrunner an easier path to the nomination, that is sure. That said, is right to jump the gun and adopt their system?
7 out of the last ten primary seasons (I'll grant you 3 had incumbants) resulted in a GOP nominee defeating a Dem.
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1. Requiring a consistent policy on delegate allocation (whether it's winner take all, proportional by district, or straight proportional).
2. Requiring that no more than 10% of delegates be awarded on any given day.
3. Requiring closed primaries/caucuses.
Any state that violates this policy loses half their delegates.
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
Mitt (Flipper) Romeny on the record...
Abortion rights
"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."
Boston Herald Debate, 10/29/02
"Roe v. Wade continues to work its destructive logic throughout our society This can't continue."
Speech to the Massachusetts Citizens For Life Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner, 5/10/07
Immigration reform
"With these 11 million people [here illegally], let's have them registered, know who they are....those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship."
Lowell Sun, 3/30/06
"One simple rule: no amnesty.If that [Kennedy-McCain bill] is not a form of amnesty, I don't know what is."
New York Times, 6/4/07
Gun laws
"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them. I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."
Romney in 2002 gov. debate, Boston Globe, 1/14/07
"I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I'm a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms."
Boston Globe, 1/14/07
Amendment to ban gay marriage
"Mitt does not support it...As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it's unnecessary."
Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 3/22/02
"When I was Governor, we took every conceivable step within the law to stop, block or slow down this unprecedented court decision."
Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07
"No new taxes" pledge
"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth"
Associated Press, 3/27/02
"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies."
Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 1/5/07
Minimum wage
"I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation. I think the minimum wage is a good thing to have in our economy and I think it ought to be updated."
Boston Globe, 10/17/94
"[T]he challenge with raising the minimum wage excessively is it is a hurt to those that are entering the work force, the very poor, those that are trying to get early jobs, get those first jobs."
Associated Press, 7/25/06
Cutting Social Security
"I don't think you go back and rewrite the contract the government has with people who've retired."
Boston Globe, 10/17/94
"Personal accounts would be a big plus."... [Romney]also said changing the retirement age could be considered, as well as basing the Social Security cost of living adjustment on a different inflation gauge.
Union Leader, 6/7/07
Adoption non-discrimination
Governor Mitt Romney and a legislative leader yesterday delivered unwelcome news to the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts, who plan to seek permission from the state to exclude gay and lesbian parents from adopting children through its social service agencies. The governor said he was not authorized to give such an exemption...
Boston Globe, 2/17/06
"And then another slide along the slippery slope. The Catholic Church was forced to end its adoption service, which was crucial in helping the state find homes for some of our most difficult to place children... Now, even religious freedom was being trumped by the new-found 'right' of gay marriage."
Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07
Stem cell research
[Romney]endorsed embryonic stem cell research, saying the controversial science might one day help treat his wife's multiple sclerosis...."I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research. I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch."
Boston Globe, 6/14/02
"FACT: Governor Romney Opposes Using Taxpayer Money to Fund Embryo-Destructive Research."
MittRomney.com A Record of Protecting Life
Bush tax cuts
Governor Mitt Romney refused yesterday to endorse tax cuts at the heart of President Bush's economic program...In addition to refusing to endorse the president's tax cut, the governor surprised several people at the meeting by saying he is open to a federal increase in gas taxes.
Boston Globe, 4/11/0
[Romney] said it was "absolutely critical" to renew tax cuts proposed by President George W. Bush. Letting them expire would result in a "massive tax increase" that would retard economic growth, Romney said.
Detroit Free Press, 2/8/07
Reagan Republicanism
"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."
Boston Herald, 10/27/94
"Ronald Reagan is ... my hero. ... I believe that our party's ascendancy began with Ronald Reagan's brand of visionary and courageous leadership."
Boston Globe, 1/19/07
Desire to serve in Vietnam
"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam..."
Boston Herald, 5/2/94
"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
Boston Globe, 6/24/07
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
At least we won't have to see any more of this kind of crap now that McCain has it locked up.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy." - John McCain
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
Just as an exercise, imagine that today is four years ago and someone lets you have a glimpse four years ahead to look at the CNN Super Tuesday totals page.
I think virtually everyone on this blog would have been trying to stop their heads from spinning right off their necks, including me.
from Mitt's crybaby performance over West Virginia? I know a couple people from work who were highly amused by that, but not in a good way for Mitt.
You can't afford the price of free corn.
Been a while since the last CA update, anybody know how many where absentee?
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
He just took the lead with 99% in.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
he may be alive after all.... hah hah hah...
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
In case Romney needed any more evidence that it was all over now.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
ding dong romney dead--
mccain/huck 08 it is...
Says the guy who supported Fred Thompson.
If you know anything at all, you'll know why that's funny.
John Bolton for President
"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
That's probably really going to take the wind out of Romney's sails. It means he can probably, at best, hope for an even split on the delegates there and probably comes out of this down at least a couple hundred.
Since the states he is winning are caucus states. His impressive MN win earns him exactly 0 delegates. Not sure about the other caucus states, but at least some of them probably work the same way.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
He lost CA, he came in 3rd in pretty much all the southern states, and he lost all the Northeast except MA.
1. McCain, 2. Thompson, 3. Giuliani, 4. Romney
Romney is out of the race.
Rush, Hannity, Ingram, etc will have to swallow their medicine with a smile.
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He is completely dead.
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I am a Positivist Pastafarian for the alliteration alone.
....I am now calling on him to get out. As conservatives, our goal now is to bring McCain closer to us on the key issues.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I supported Fred Thompson (Never tried hard enough) then Mitt Romney and now I will have to support Huckaby. Romney did somewhat well. He got his name out there..maybe 2012. Drop out quickly. I want to have a chance to vote for ANYONE BUT MCCAIN!!!
Huckabee. Vote McCain.
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Good luck with trying to move him closer to your issues.
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I am a Positivist Pastafarian for the alliteration alone.
It isn't being picky, my friend. There is a pretty big difference there. My bad.
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I am a Positivist Pastafarian for the alliteration alone.
"When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth." - Teddy Roosevelt
That will just convince McCain that he can treat us like dirt and we'll still always come back to him.
The one good thing about a McCain nomination and even Presidency is that conservatives will not likely muzzle their voices as they have done with Bush. I do not want to threadjack here but GWB hs not exactly been the conservative icon I thought he would be when I first voted for him. But sadly, most conservatives have just grinned and bore it.
With McCain, at least we will have the cuts to shout when he is not being conservative.
And, truth be known, despite everything, I still think McCain has a few very good conservative instincts. (Yes, we can all rehash his shortcomings but on things like government spending he is probably the best.)
to Congress. I have no problem with McCain (what choice do I have), particulary if we get good conserves in Congress that will keep him in check. We need at least 4 years to build some real libertarian-conservative candidates. this is obvious because we did not have a single Reagan-Goldwater or cheap fascimile this time.
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Why is it we always have better cabinets... I mean we literally appoint intellectual, conservative all-stars....
I think a "Rock Star" Cabinent/Advisors is very possible for McCain.
Secretary of the Treasury - Phil Gramm (that's a gimmie, and it'll thrill conservatives)
Attorney General - Fred Thompson (If not Thompson, Ted Olson?)
Secretary of State - Rudy Giuliani (Could be Homeland Security also)
National Security Advisor - John Bolton (No Senate confirmation needed. It would FLOOR a lot of people that don't like him if he "suggested" Bolton would have a roll in his administration)
Chief of Staff/Depty Chief of Staff (Rove like roll) - Newt Gingrich
Secretary of Commerce - Jeb Bush
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Mike Huckabee
Secretary of Defense - Joe Lieberman
Secretary of Education - J.C. Watts (If he's not VP)
Anyhow, there are others.
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Phil Gramm seems likely,
Rudy Guiliani is a gimme and I think is correctly slotted
I like Boltons slot
There is not a snow flakes chance in hell Gingrich is in his cabinet. Gingrich got Dobson to attack Thompson and McCain. Gingrich is over.
Commerce and Jeb Bush? I do not know if Jeb would take it.
Health Secretary Huckabee. I would love this. He could be one of the most visible pols ever in this position and could fight obesity around the country.
Sec Def I would like this pick.
Sec Education JC Watts. Maybe. I like Steele more.
Fred Thompson will be his Vice President. It will happen.
Ted Olson is the front runner for AG. Larry Thompson is a front runner for Solicitor.
Are you kidding me??? McAmnesty won't even endorse conservative justices. He thought Alito was too conservative. What the hell is wrong with you Republicans??? Where did my party go?
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
This is the third time you've used "McAmnesty" in this thread. It's apparent to me that you'd rather demagogue than persuade. If you want to know where your party went, perhaps you can explain rather than complain.
1. McCain, 2. Thompson, 3. Giuliani, 4. Romney
says Huckabee and Romney are battling for second place.
NOT GOOD for Romney
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The exit polls look very good for her.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
She led in Missouri forever and apparently will lose it in the end. It will be close enough to make the delegate split nearly even.
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...because they called the race with 15% of the vote in. Missouri hasn't been called yet, and it's at 98% (although it looks like Obama will take it).
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Remember at the end it will probably be within a delegate split most likely. He did outperform her overall across the nation. A year ago who would've guessed that?
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That's what we have now.
McCain is winning New England, and a few MidWest States, maybe the West Coast.
Huckabee is winning the South
Romney is winning the West and a few Midwest States.
What I don't get is all the Romney hate, as he's theonly candidate that has actually tried to rach out to all the different conservative factions.
I have to admit as a Westerner I feel mighty betrayed.
Everyone talks about the South as the Core of the Republican party, but in fact it's the Inter-Mountain West and the Plain states that are the real core of the Republican party.
Now we didn't mind Republicans courting the South, as Southerners and Westerners have alot in common. But I'm starting to feel taken for granted. If the South cares about the West why didn't they rally around Thompson as their candidate? He'd have been a great candidate out here in the West.
Huckabee is no good out here, and McCain isn't that great either- despite his hailing from Arizona. He's acceptable as a Senator, but not what we want in a President.
Just you watch, all the hate and vitriol towards Romney and his supporters... if Obama wins the Democratic nomination the Republican Party will lose the West.
If as I expect Hillary wins the Republican Party will probably keep the West, but you're really injuring the relationship.
I think I actually prefer the Western-style conservatism that y'all practice. A definite libertarian streak reminiscint of Goldwater. So, I agree with you...
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McCain has won (a) NY, Conn, NJ, Del, N.H. (East, N.E.), (b) South Carolina, Florida -- though, I realize Fla is a somewhat unique state -- (South), (c) Mo., Oklahoma (Border states/S.W. states), (d) Illinois (Midwest), (e) Arizona, Cal. (West). In the Super Tuesday states, I believe McCain has finished second in all the primary states he did not win (though I believe he was not close in W.V. and a couple of other caucus states).
Romney on the other hand has won (a) Michigan where his father was governor(Midwest) and McCain finished a close second, (b) Mass. where he was the former governor (N.E.), (c) Utah (West), but lets be honest this state is massively Mormon, barring the return of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young from the great beyond, nobody is going to beat Romney in Utah, and (d) a smattering of caucus states in the West and Midwest. Romney was not even a close to McCain or Huckabee in any Southern state.
Huckabee has won (a) Iowa (Midwest), and (b) Tenn, Ala., Ga., Ark., W.V. (South/Border states). With the exception of some border states and caucus states, he really has not finished close anywhere else.
Looking at the results, I'd say Huckabee is pretty clearly a regional candidate with some carry over appeal in states with high evangelical populations. McCain clearly is competitive in every region of the country (at least in the Republican primaries), while Romney only seems to win states he has lived in.
Look, I realize some of you may not like McCain, but we have to be objective about the data.
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They're just caucuses- or their small states.
That's what I'm hearing there.
Just excuses to dismiss the Inter-mountain West and the Plains states as unimportant.
McCain won Arizona out West, that's it.
Romney has won:
Wyoming
Utah
Montana
Colorado
Minnesota
North Dakota
Yeah... no regional strength there.
Utah -- Primary state. Romney wins an overwhelming victory in this state. Romney also went to college here. Surprisingly, the vast majority of Utah voters share Mr. Romney's religious affiliation. Hmm, I am sure that did not affect the outcome.
Wyoming -- Caucus state and least populated state in U.S. 1200 caucus voters (party and elected officials). No other candidate seems to have seriously contested this state. Maybe it had something to do with the caucus only having 12 delegates in play. Well, Mitt did win 8 of them.
N.D. -- Caucus state. Romney wins a grand total of 3,500 votes here. By the way, it ranks 48 in population among the 50 U.S. states.
Montana -- Caucus state. Romney won a grand total of 625 votes here. The caucus was limited to roughly 1200 party and elected officials. Oh by the way, Mr. Paul came in second with around 400 votes. Montana ranks 44th in population among the 50 states.
Colorado -- Caucus state. But to be fair to Romney, he did show some real strengh here. The caucus was open to all registered Republicans and Romney won about 33,000 votes and handily beat McCain. It is also the 22nd state by population, so I don't think Romney's win can be discounted here.
Minn -- Caucus state. Its my understanding no delegates were awarded at the caucus. Rather they will be awarded at a state convention later this year.
Mass. --Primary state. No. 14 in population among U.S. states. Romney was also the former governor here.
Michigan -- Primary State. No. 8 in population among U.S. states. Romney lived here and his dad was governor here.
In contrast, McCain has won California (largest state by population, N.Y. (no. 3 in population), Florida (no. 4 in population), Illinois (no. 5 in population), N.J. (no. 11 in population), SC, Conn, Del., N.H., Oklahoma, Mo., Arizona. He also has run strong in deep south states like Ala and Ga and the middle south state of Tenn.
McCain is clearly showing strength in all regions of the country. Romney is showing strength in states he has lived in or low population states. Lets be frank, you are not going to win elections on the strength of showings in Wyoming and Montatna. To paraphrase a point made by another commenter in another thread, I have never heard the phrase as Wyoming goes, so goes the nation.
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McCain at least tried to mend some fences tonight.
But all I seem to see anywhere any more is this mockery of Romney.
Personal attacks instead of issue based attacks.
Comments that people who support Romney are losers, that people here don't respect us anymore.
Accusations that Romney supporters are the ones dividing the Republican party, ect.
What I hear is that you all don't care about our issues. I want a fusionist candidate, some one who all conservative, not just socially or on national security.
How is that divisive?
If you did not trash McCain or tell Huckabee supporters it was a two man race like your candidate Romney did, you were in the minority of his supporters here. Romney and his supporters are divisive because they have trashed everyone else. It is also incredibly frustrating to be a conservative who does not believe Mitt is legitimate as a conservative and to be told that you are not a real conservative if you do not support him. That is what is divisive. Real conservatives are people who have read Kirk and Smith and Sowell and Goldwater and made up their own mind about candidates, not sheeple who listen to bought and paid for pundits and march in lockstep to their shrill cries.
Dem voters came out ahead of GOP voters 2-to-1 today.
_nominal leader, with our own side praising Obama, with our own guys threatening to leave the party, we are lucky to have the turnout we do. At some point I dont want more conservative leaders, I just want better comrades. If this party implodes, the leaders will be a small part, the weak livered, whimpy whiners we call our comrades will be the real reason.
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Thoughts or analysis on the night's events?
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Anyone think this is significant: Obama won all states with caucuses, Clinton won most states with primaries.
Mostly because it was a matter of how strong they were in those states going in. For example, Hillary would've won NY if it was a caucus or primary. Same for Obama in his states.
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Obama did well in states with caucuses, because it's not a secret ballot. I really believe the race factor is at play.
We're only voting for him because he's black.
In the fall... when no one is watching... we'll vote for McUckabee.
Huck can't score above 20% out of the south.
McCain is trying and failing to get a majority in his home state and the Demms have out drawn us big time from the start.
Now tell me what there is to brag about? Go ahead and make fun of Romney if you think it helps your cause.
We have a Dem. freight train coming at us and a weak nominee.
Lots to be mouthy about.
Why does Bill Kristol arrogantly and smugly know that Romney's gonna pull out of the race??? That is what I HATE about FOX Bill Kristol is pompous jack-a-s-s. I can't stand him and I can't stand John Mckennedy. *vomits*
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If Romney doesn't pull out, he's too stupid to be President.
I wouldn't trust someone with my tax dollars who would flush 50 million of their own money down the toilet. And that's what it would take for him to keep running. And he'd still lose.
John Bolton for President
"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
I tried to argue this the other day.
Someone just kept saying Rush and Sean were "better conservatives."
It made my brain hurt.
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He is the big winner tonight even if he has no path forward. He surely can make a case for being the VP especially with his mutual buddy-buddy routine with McCain.
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McCain's impulsiveness, lack of judgment, vanity and pride lead me to suspect that he'll make Huckabee his running mate. It would be the perfect way to lose to either Hillary or Obama. McCain has just that kind of hubris.
I'm from Alabama and there is no more staunch Republican state in the country. Huck won AK,AL,GA, and TN. You can't shoo him away.
I hate Huckabee, but this guy has clout now and it isn't clear that Rush Limbaugh and others have any clout at all. Every candidate they bash wins, and every candidate they praise whatsoever loses.
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he may have won several Bible Belt states, but he is losing in terms of delegates, which are the ONLY terms. He has no more Alabamas to vote, so he has no oppurtunity to make up the lost ground, he has lost. He may hold some power to get the veep, but he has ZERO chance of winning the nomination of this party for President.
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He did outperfom a much wealthier opponent who was more orthodox (recently) in his views. If populism can win in the Deep South Republican primaries...we are in for a new Republican Party.
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I agree he can't win the nomination, but I think he's got a better shot then Romney at this point.
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though on the bright side, I did see Huckabee's speech and I have to say (a) he is an effective communicator that grows on you and (b) he was trying to tack back to issues movement Conservatives care about. That having been said, I agree with Karl Rove, if McCain picked Huckabee he would be doubling his trouble with conservatives.
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who are McCain's co-chairs to talk him out of it. He needs a solid if not rock star VP pick to unify the conservative base. Here would be my shortlist:
Gov. Sanford
Rep. Hensarling
Rep, Cantor
Gov. Palin
Gov. Pawlenty
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I say he makes Huck Secretary of Health and Human Services and leaves it at that.
Anyhow, I'd like to add J.C. Watts and Sam Brownback to your list.
Mike Pence maybe? That's another good one.
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With the whole lot of you so called conservatives. Flipper Mitt or McAmnesty? What is wrong with YOU???
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
your "don't blame me" sticker on your Prius like a whinning leftist, when the primary is not even over. This is the reason why our party DOES need to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Do you support the loser Romeny or the RINO McAmnesty? Neither is worthy of our support and you know it! Are you a real conservative or not? Don't waste my time!
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
We don't have an individual that appears to be (queue music) the full conservative in the full meaning as I understand it. This is not the first time this has happened - GWB.
Is the Republican party a big enough tent? Will McCain and Romney both stand for some conservative principles? The answer if you look beyond your blamming is yes.
I'm sorry that you're not getting the entire enchilada here - but the Republican party is more than just conservative positions. If this were not true...then McCain would not be leading.
Beyondrightwing, it is up to you and to me to convince liberal leading and moderate Republicans to come around. Not to whine about it and certainly not to quit.
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Are you kidding me? An bible-beater is the last thing we need one heartbeat away from the Presidency.
On the topic of bible-beaters. Can I politely tell all you Jesus-freaks to just quit voting, you're frankly not intelligent enough to be this much of a force in US politics.
Go back to your gay-hating and abortion-hating. Continue believing in your insane book and its literal interpretation.
I mean, we had Southern Baptists and Evangelicals making fun of Mormon principles. This is like Star Wars fans making fun of Star Trek fans - both are completely ludicrous.
So without bible-beaters we get Rudy (not my candidate BTW) and that would be perfectly OK. Instead we get Huck.
And you evolutionists have the rights to tell us what happened "in the beginning?" Get a frickin' life! You are clueless! if you believe the earth is billions of years old, Bring it, please! And I'm NOT a Huckabee supporter...
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
but you've clearly lost your way in the night and have wandered into the wrong house. I think you need some fresh air before you puke on our carpet again. Here's a blanket to wrap yourself in, and in the morning you can tell daddy what's got you all hot and bothered.
but you've clearly lost your way in the night and have wandered into the wrong house. I think you need some fresh air before you puke on our carpet again. Here's a blanket to wrap yourself in, and in the morning you can tell daddy what's got you all hot and bothered.
but you've clearly lost your way in the night and have wandered into the wrong house. I think you need some fresh air before you puke on our carpet again. Here's a blanket to wrap yourself in, and in the morning you can tell daddy what's got you all hot and bothered.
I was especially surprised to see Huck do as well as he did. I still will be surprised if Romney gets out any time soon but his chances aren't looking too good.
*Tagg Romney 2036!*
so your comment is exceedingly gracious. Lets hope McCain reaches out with similar grace and humility to those conservatives who have concerns with him.
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That (incorrectly) said, Hillary won this news cycle, but Barack just has to do damage control until the next news cycle picks up and interest builds in the Chesapeake primary next week where he'll do very well. He's just got to bunker down for this news cycle and he'll be ok in the near-term.
i (idiotically) used to think it was predictive, but it's proven itself completely and totally reactive to whatever happens to be up on cnn.com and/or drudgereport.
I mean man did they miss the ball on the South and CA...
who were they polling Rush and Hannity over and over again?
Yes, clearly something so volatile can't be a good predictor. But it is at least quantitatively reactive, and what they are saying is that Obama's prospects looked (to the punters) about the same at the end of the day as they did at the start.
Looks like CA might turn out Winner-Take-All after all. Romney is winning nowhere there. I don't see any path for Romney if that happens. He might as well drop. Thanks to Conan the Barbarian for the big win!
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Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
I have never seen so much crap dumped on a losing candidate in YOUR party.
With joy, you have smeared Romney again and again, its not enough that he tried and failed, you creeps have to make sure that he's not around in 4 years, cause you really hate him don't you?
It would seem to me that you so called redstaters should be extending a hand of fellowship to Romney's people, not cutting and chopping.
I have no expectation that McCain, to his peril, will treat the conservative base of the party with anything other that contempt, and that he will extract his pound of flesh for the conservatives going against him.
It will look just like the time the Repubs. that voted against his bills, and then he proceeded to call them all kinds of names.
Be joyful now, oh ye McCain serfs, because he has no chance of becoming president. I personally would rather have McCain as Pres. than any Dem. but, in reality, the Dems are on a roll and McCain will not be able to motivate the real conservative base to get the huge turn out needed.
So, be joyful, tonight we will drink and be merry, cause in Jan. next year, you get amnesty, a defeat in Iraq, socialized health care, George Soros doing exactly what he wants, cap and trade carbon, and on and on. We're screwed. If McCain wins we might get a win in Iraq, the rest doesn't change.
Romney probably could not have inspired the Repubs. to get a Nov. victory, but he's the only one that might have, and that's why I liked him. Huck well, you know? McCain, well you know very well what he'll do.
Don't even bother to tell me how he is going to change his position on conservative issues. He won't and you know it.
You just hate Mitt and love to see him crumble, and you project that at his supporters.
So the insiders McCain and McHillary win again, the outsiders the big O and the $Richy Rich are sidelined. Anybody see a pattern here?
Good night.
But for the last 3-4 weeks, a lot of Romney supporters have talked about how they will actively oppose McCain in the Fall if their guy loses. So it's hard for McCain supporters to take them seriously that they want to help out now.
Some Romney supporters have been very loyal and agreed that the Rs must unite behind whoever is nominated. But a lot have said they can't vote for McCain. They are like Paul voters who will vote for their guy, but no other.
If they hadn't flooded the diaries with anti-McCain screeds and spammed the comment threads with redundant cut-and-paste lists of supposed sins, the McCainiacs would probably be less excited about ending this.
But the attitude of many Romney supporters has made a lot of people want this whole thing to end. If Romney loses bad enough, there is hope that this will be over.
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I have followed the negativity for months, (actually I follow your blogs Adam.)
Now that Romney is done, it is usually customary to reach out to the loser with nice comments and gestures in a hope of getting support.
The ones that said they won't vote for McCain need extra care to try to show them the error of their ways.
So, my writing goes as written, factual. It proves that the party is really divided and that we can't even get together on general values.
Time to heal, and it has to start with the winners because us losers are still hurting. They are actually quite afraid of John's attitude, not so much his record. He has made no real moves to placate the 38% of the party that considers themselves hard conservatives.
I am personally quite fearful of my future under John or Hillary, I see liberal judges, a shift backwards in pro-life,
entrenched poor teachers, First amendment curtailment, marginalizing of conservatives, gay marriage and probably an economic catastrophe.
Normally, redstaters agree on lots of ideas, but this race has turned us into really nasty people.
I have not decided strategically, if voting against John would be beneficial for the GOP in the long run. It is McCain's people that must make the case for John, because I'm still quite ticked off at Romney's loss and his mis-treatment.
In the end, McCain himself is going to have to make nice with the entire party and rally them up to go after the @$^&%ary.
Most of the anti-McCain screeds are not so much Romney supporters as they are people who really don't want McCain.
I am a FredHead who is supporting Romney because I really dislike McCain. I don't think Romney has voters similar to Paul where they could sit it out.
Those of us who supported Mitt all along, and those who jumped on board team Romney very late as an anyone-but-McCain move. I suspect the anti-McCain screeds are largely the province of the latter camp.
No habla? Kiss My What??? Last I checked this is STILL America where we speak ENGLISH. Am I wrong? I know I live in sunny ca but STILL! Jeeze, what's it's gonna take for the rest of America to get a frickin' clue? Please, take a ride through Santa Ana and tell me I'm just another racists. PLEASE! I beg of you. I'm on the front lines here and I'm tired of having to defend us on this line. I need your help!!!
Don't blame me, I voted for Fred!
move on, and support the gop. maybe you could draft dobbs and we can have another perot to pull victory away from the gop.
cry-babies are in full force tonight.
We have really lowered the bar on respectful commentary tonight. It is sad. Hopefully it is only a one night thing.
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I was fair in my defense, so I believe your desire will not come to fruition. I have no particular imuninty, but if fair people read the text, they will not think I was trollish. anyway, good day sir, I said good day!
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I would have simply called for it right then and there. It certainly takes some stones to go after this guy for saying essentially the same thing you just did 15 minutes ago, though. You (sort of) apologized for going off half cocked on GC and attacking the guy personally. That was good. I'm still waiting for mine.
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long term Red Stater's and those that join to troll and use vulgarities. I find it interesting you attacked me, when I was defending the site from a troll. BTW, what exactly should I apologize to you for?
I did apologize to GC for mistaking his intentions, if what he says his intentions with are true. There was no substance to the post so I was left to draw conclusions. Either way, you sir have a lot of nerve attacking me when I am in the right and trying to help the site.
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And notice that comment was in response to your attack on GC based on something he wasn't even saying... that was the genesis of the whole thing.
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pushed into a corner and thought there was nothing else to say. I do not hold grudges, I have quite often reccomened your diaries. it is a late night, and some of of us have had too many refreshments. no ill will towards you sir, sleep well :)
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Now maybe we can just forget the whole thing and get to work for McCain :D.
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I don't want to see you banned. I'd rather you lay off the vitriolic attacks on fellow posters, myself included.
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be less of a jerk.
The victor in the primaries is supposed to cajole the support of the fallen, not mock them for genuinely supporting a particular candidate.
McCain makes this difficult enough as it is, if you want to make it harder, I question whether you think electing McCain is truly a priority.
Does anyone else out there fear that one of the first things a McCain (or Hillary) might do is pass a bill on equal radio time?
Sorry, Rush, you're off the air. Dems already tried it, and now there is nothing to stop them come Jan. I don't have to explain this do I??
I have just put my tinfoil hat back on. Could someone say something positive about John? Not excuses, please say something positive, say something he voted on that was conservative.
Nuff said... if you can't see his conservatism... than your hatred blinds your objectivity...
what is hilarious about this is I support Huck.
mccain is only a 2nd choice for me.
But thanks for asking.
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John did introduce a bill to protect talk radio, I have just pulled a little bit of tinfoil off my hat.
John did introduce a bill to protect talk radio, I have just pulled a little bit of tinfoil off my hand.
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I see that McCain had an early lead of 227 delegates to 30 for Romney and 27 for Huckabee.
Does anyone have a good website for delgate totals in non-winner take all states?
Perhaps the data just isn't available yet.