Barack Obama on Gun Control

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Obama on gun control, after yesterday's shootings in his home state:

Before speaking to a rally here, Obama said the nation must do a "more effective job of enforcing our gun laws, strengthening our background check system, being able to trace guns that are used in violent crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers -- so that we can crack down on them -- closing gun show loopholes."

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Obama said he believes in the Second Amendment, but that there is plenty of room for added gun regulations. "There is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation," he said.

Mentioning his home city, Obama said local entities should also have the ability to have their own more strict regulations.

"I think that local jurisdictions have the capacity to institute their own gun laws…The City of Chicago has gun laws, as does Washington, D.C.," he said. "I think the notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our constitution."

Hmmm, that should go over real well in the Texas primary on March 4. Just as the national Dems seemed to have learned their lesson on this issue, expect to hear a lot about guns if Obama is the nominee, for two reasons.

1. Guns are one of the few areas where McCain has a pretty solid conservative record. The NRA's leadership hates McCain due mainly to McCain-Feingold, but on the actual gun-rights issues he's voted pretty consistently for gun rights (e.g., he voted against the Brady Bill), although McCain has also clashed with the NRA over a gun show bill he co-sponsored with Joe Lieberman.

2. There is, nonetheless, a huge contrast to be drawn on this issue. Obama is about as anti-gun as you would expect from a Chicago politician - voted for assault weapons bans, voted to limit the number of handguns a person could buy, voted against lawsuit protections for gun manufacturers, supported a national ban on concealed carry, and worst of all voted against a bill protecting homeowners from being sued by burglars they shoot in their own homes.

Obama's not going to get a pass on that record from gun owners.


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Its scary that hildabeast looks conservative next to him.

Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus

The article makes a good point: There's a big difference between Obama and McCain on guns and the 2nd Amendment. With only a few exceptions, McCain has consistently voted for guns rights.

And I can't help but mention that Huckabee is even stronger on the 2nd Amendment than McCain is. Just a thought.

It should also be kept in mind that McCain has been great on supporting conservative judges and has pledged to appoint more like Roberts and Alito. One more conservative on the court would bring about a huge change in the court's direction on many issues that have been decided 5-4.

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point. What is significant here is that Obama had nothing to say about what could have stopped or limited the death toll at the school, and neither did the rebuttal.

The issue is the necessity for gun bearers in the classroom to whack these nuts off before they knock many students off.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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a political football. I mean, I suppose we could argue that the killer's mom should have aborted him as a fetus and prevented the whole tragedy and therefore abortion is a good thing.

Hurricane. And given history, the outcome was miraculous as most of the rest of world realizes was so due to average americans.

But this was not a tragedy. This was a malicious act by an evil human being. This calls for changed policies, that can save lives. And they aren't more regs on gun shows.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

and he is about hope and change! (/snark)

"Nec Aspera Terrent"
bene ambula et redambula
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It's
hopeandchangehopeandchangehopeandchange

You'll know you are an Obamiac when you murmur this in your sleep. :>)

Let's face it... the people against Obama's positions on gun control have about ten thousand other reasons why they wouldn't be voting for him either. It's zero sum in the attraction of votes.

But there are actually guys who vote Democrat and don't support gun control. That's why there's a big handful of pro-guns Democrats in the House. My congressman is one of them. It is a loser of an issue to get into at election time, even for a Democrat.
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It says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed except by common sense regulation."

It's right there ahead of the clause protecting abortion and after the one promising free speech except for conservatives and at election time.

Quentin Langley
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Did anyone else see that pig fall off a ladder?

Hey Barack! Should local jurisdictions have the capacity to institute their own abortion laws? Or does that idea only apply to items on the left's agenda?

I sincerely hope that picture is right on the front page of the Denver Post and Rocky Mountain News this weekend. Flanked by Gov. Ritter and Sen. Salazar, he "may yet be of some use to us," just like Bill is when he campaigns for local politicians.

I believe he's in WI. You can watch the video of his remarks at the link up top.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

especially if Heller goes our way. I don't want to see gun control become a big topic again, but with the Dems as they are, its going to happen anyway.

he will be fool enough to drumbeat this issue on the trail. But his record is what it is, and every time he opens his mouth on this issue he makes it easier to bring that record up.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill


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can't be all bad, especially in the eyes of the AFL-CIO and those who want to make us poorer.

Maybe by change Obama means the violence that will ensue if dafedralguvmint attempts to strip people of gun rights held for over 220 years. That would be the sine qua non of pitting American vs American, every liberals dream.

Barack is now coming out of the closet and it's getting uglier by the day. Good thing he's got Danny Ortega behind him.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

McCain has also clashed with the NRA over a gun show bill he co-sponsored with Joe Lieberman.

Because we always end up in a tussle with McCain over his breaks from the conservative movement, it's easy to forget what a real liberal looks like on an issue like the Second Amendment.

Elections have consequences, people.

(By the way, Ken Salazar looks mighty silly in that picture.)

No one of good character leaves behind a wasted life - John McCain

I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest that what he's saying in his stump speech isn't a facial example of bozosity to the extent people are making out.

I mean, even assuming the best possible outcome in Heller, we'll be living in a world where gun control legislation is subjected to strict judicial scrutiny. That will allow for "commonsense regulation", for sufficiently finessed definitions of "commonsense".

The issue, here, is the delta between:

(1) What Barry Obama considers "commonsense";

(2) What the courts, applying the correct standard of review, will consider "commonsense"; and to a lesser extent,

(3) What actually is "commonsense", in the real world.

Obama is a socialist plain and simple.He has sponsored the Global Poverty Act which if enacted would impose a tax on the US.The House passed this measure last year.It was supposed to come to a vote Thursday.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-v...

His positions.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/key-votes/

how the prohibitionist/hoplophobe vernacular has subtly shifted:

"I think that local jurisdictions have the capacity to institute their own gun laws…The City of Chicago has gun laws, as does Washington, D.C.," he said. "I think the notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our constitution."

Emphasis mine. They used to call explicitly for "gun control laws"; now, they're "gun safety laws".

That's a new one on me.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

More gun laws is the last thing we need. I am a student at the University of Florida and all I have to protect me on campus is my pocket knife. Currently I'm trying to get together a grassroots effort for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.

This is chilling. This guy may be the next president, & he is so dismissive of individual liberty? This is more than the 2nd amendment; it's all of our individual rights. This is an issue for which McCain should come out, forgive the pun, firing both barrels!

So says Obama about the Second Amendment. But as with so many other issues, what Obama (and pretty much all prominent Democrats) says and what he claims to believe is in direct conflict with the type of decisions that would be handed down by the judges he would appoint.

Its like when Hillary or Obama says that they think marriage policy should be left to the states. Its a complete sham of a position, because they know very well that the type of leftwing activist judge they would appoint would strike down every traditional marriage law in the nation and impose gay marriage/civil unions in their place. Likewise, the Ginsburg-like judges they would appoint would rule that the Second Amendment is a collective right which can be regulated into oblivion.

Despite these obvious and huge contradictions, we can be sure that no one in the media will ever ask Obama or Hillary about them. Whoever moderates the debates will not bring it up. Sadly, we can also be quite sure that McCain won't be creative enough to bring it up either, which is a shame because this whole dynamic -- the moderate talk of the candidates vs the extremism and radicalism of the judges they would appoint -- is a good avenue of attack on the Democrats.

An aide to Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick filed a police report Thursday claiming Monica Conyers, the short-tempered City Council president pro tem and wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers, threatened to get a gun and shoot him at a city pension board meeting.

"She ran at him," Clark told The Detroit News. "She told him she would get a gun if she had to and that she has four brothers and they would whup his a-- if she asked them."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080215/METRO/8021503...

Must be 'that time' of the month.

That gun control would creep into the picture in this campaign. My guess is that Kennedy will kick Heller back to the lower court on some excuse sometime around June.

Hope everyone has his NRA or GOA sticker on his car by that time.

 
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