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Now we're down to three. Yeah, Ron Paul might be there.

In any event, we're at the Reagan Library. Let's have a debate!

Wow, Romney and McCain are sitting right next to each other. Maybe we'll see some punches thrown. That would be awesome!

UPDATE: I apologize to John McCain for calling him crazy earlier today. Ron Paul is crazy.


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disappointed that no one suggested we are better off due to all the dead terrorists Bush has killed that were running loose planning 911s 7 years ago.

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McCain didn't defend his record - he just attacked Romney.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

Wow - now that Romney is given the ability to defend his record, he is doing fairly well.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

He opposes the HLA and FMA on federalist grounds. Where did you get the idea he wasn't a federalist?

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Because McCain he said he was.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

in these forum debates. Too little, too late I afraid.

I am watching McCain blather on about global warming, while reading on the Drudgereport that snow has fallen in Jerusalem.

The naive forgive and forget.
The foolish forget but do not forgive.
The wise forgive but do not forget.

Our candidates, that is. And the party.

CNN sponsors a YouTube debate with questions from---Democratic voters! When called on it, CNN's response (spoken) was "Oh well...what the hell...Oopsie!" and (silently, to themselves) was "Who cares? We certainly don't. You're Untouchables...er, Republicans, after all."

Now, the response of someone who had pride in themselves, had been openly wronged, and hadn't received a proper apology, would be to refuse to go back.

Yet, here our candidates are. As is our party.

I'll bet they are hooting in laughter and derision at CNN and DNC headquarters. They have every right to.

I swear, I think our party suffers from battered politico syndrome. They so crave media coverage, that they will prostrate themselves in order to get it.

If you were a CNN official, would YOU respect the Republican Party. After what you'd done to them, for the whole world to see?

If you don't insist on respect, then don't expect to get any respect.

GOP, what are you good for, anyway? You reap what you sow.

Where, oh where, are our men and women with chests?

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

That was a very good point.

We need to do EVERYTHING in our power to STOP Mitt "I can flip flop on any issue" Romney!

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/01/as-predicted-here-rudy-911-giulia...

With malice towards none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see right.

I thought this was a debate thread.

That was a cheesy post - Mitt is actually providing good answers tonight.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

the aftermath of Tuesday seems to have left RS as a ghost town tonight. Well, at least in this thread.

Last night felt like a punch in the gut, I am still recovering. I will never stop fighting for my conservative values. It is my opinion that this year was setup, by the establishment, for failure because of the immense odds against the GOP. I am looking forward to real candidates in 4 years.

We can't be all politics all the time in my house. :-)

but every other debate thread was almost impossible to keep up with. We would normally be calling for a second thread by now.

for highlighting entitlements. You also did a good job of using that argument to defend you health care plan.

Since when did the Supreme Court rule we couldn't make an amendment to deny citizenship to persons born from non-citizens?

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

He just looked in his crystal ball and said that it wouldn't be voted on again. He never said whether or not he would vote for it.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

On MTP he flat out said he would sign his immigration bill if it crossed his desk (he added but it won't), he just said now that he wouldn't. Flip-flop. It won't matter because he never gets called on anything.

What is McCain's plan AFTER the border is secured? He NEVER answers that!

FredHead for Mitt Romney!

has become the "Double Talk Express" since Florida.

At least twice: If your bill was before you today would you vote for it? It won't.

I don't need a soothsayer. You're not being nominated for that.

Would you or won't you, you slippery eel?

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

According to many of the big shots around here something is wrong with me because every time I listen to the q/a Mitt answers the question that was asked in a fairly direct way which I can follow and make sense of.

Sir John (and the Sloganeer too) ramble on until I forget what the question was in the first place.

I particularly loved his nonresponse on the tax cuts for the rich.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

Or... by MelZ

when he was asked about how he would be the better leader on the economy? He rambled for 30 seconds that went on to his only real talking point.."I am a leader because I served my country".
I can't say enough good things about our men in uniform...but they are not all ready to be president because they served our country.
MelZ

Look how he keeps his back turned away from McCain. He knows where the knives go.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

If anyone really listens he speaks quite openly about how much he wants to be reaching across the aisle to get things done with his good friends Lieberman and Kennedy. WYSIWYG

Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.

If I knew Mitt was straight on the 2nd Amendment, he just might get my vote. But I think he is extremely confused because he says he would sign the AWB, but wouldn't ban semi-autos? How does that work?

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

On some questions he is practically slurring and confusing things. Not answering things straight doesn't help. Is this the man GOP wants to nominate to run for president? Out of what, pity?

Romney is forceful and right on the issues.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

you should just vote Democrat. Really... why vote for McCain when you can get your liberalism in all it's glory over on the Democrat side?

If you are voting for McCain because he is " strong on the war " , why not go with Romney? At least Romney isn't vowing to shut down Gitmo and refuse to water board scumbag terrorists.

To vote for McCain is a vote to destroy the GOP for at least a generation. The Dems will not only win come November, but conservatism will take a huge blow in the process..... exactly what the lib media is hoping for.

RINO's suck

I want to Win the War, Stop the Pork, Cut the Spending, and Appoint the Judges. So I'm voting for McCain. You do whatever you want.

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The man has an 83% ranking from the American Conservative Union. Am I sick about McCain-Feingold? Sure. Am I upset over his positions on global warming and Gitmo? Damn straight.

But do I trust Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama more than McCain to (try to) keep spending and taxes down, defend our country, and appoint strict constructionist judges to the federal courts? Hell no.

If McCain is the nominee, he deserves the support of conservatives. If we had a solid GOP congress, if we weren't at war, or if our entitlement system weren't in shambles, I might, might understand apathy or disdain with respect to a McCain vs. Hillary/Obama race. But not when so much is at stake.

I know it takes some hard choices. But for the sake of our country, conservatives need to unite behind John McCain.

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According to Democrats, it’s greedy to want to keep your own money, but it’s “justice” to demand someone else’s.

--Jonah Goldberg

Lets not give him more moral authority than he has already grabbed
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the last 10 years, he is more like the low 60's. No fair averaging 40 years - sounds like a Democratic tactic. He has been trending left for at least the last decade.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

OK, let's see, McCain's ACU ratings:

1997: 80
1998: 68
1999: 77
2000: 81
2001: 68
2002: 78
2003: 80
2004: 72
2005: 80
2006: 65

So, about a 75 average over the past decade -- perfect? Of course not. Acceptable? Definitely. Beats the hell out of Hillary or Obama, too.

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According to Democrats, it’s greedy to want to keep your own money, but it’s “justice” to demand someone else’s.

--Jonah Goldberg

It only takes a few non-conservative bills to ruin things.

did he do that dropped his rating to 65? Don't you want to know? That is a heck of a drop ya know...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

Thompson would have knocked this debate out of the park!! Fred man why? Why?

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

there just weren't very many of them. Not enough people were convinced to vote for him, so his numbers were pathetic. It's just that simple.

His response is so unbelievably dishonest. What a pathetic, lying, smug, dirty, politician.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

Enough with the straighttalk lies. Wow unbelievable.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

Are you guys watching knock off Luntz-o-meter. Romney is getting awesome numbers.

that they're totally ignoring Ron Paul?

Easy for you to chuckle. I live in Florida. Do you know how hard it has been, for the last two weeks, to find tin foil here?

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies...

on his website asking how many questions Paul would get at tonight's debate...

the winning answer: 2 - he'll be asked to get coffee for McCain & Romney

http://www.mikechurch.com/joomla/poll-results/how-many-questions-will-ro...

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I'm not voting for Ron Paul because it's not expressly prescribed in the Constitution.
-- Mark Hemingway, The Corner (NRO)

I do love the media's ability to pick and choose our candidates for us.

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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

This is Mitt's night man, Mitt's night.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

hoping that he stalls long enough to get the last word.

No way Mitt comes off so arrogant to me. The American people don't like people who try to come off as Mr Know it all

No. Wait. It is.

Carry on with your pouting, then.

Moe

*And by "our" I mean "normal Republicans," naturally.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

I think Romney *is* more intelligent than the other candidates. Romney is also more knowledgeable about almost everything, as far as I can tell.

I suppose I've made pro-RP comments that you can mock, but why pick this one?

I did come off as more anti-politician than anything.

Maybe the man actually is a conservative.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

on this timetables attack - in a separate thread of course and referring to what was said in the debate.

Then is must be indefensible. Just in case someone tries I will get my soda and popcorn.

McCain may be blowing the election in this debate. He is flat out lying.

why he talked about time tables, but did not believe in time tables. we don't need time tables, time tables mean defeat, whether public or private. We do NOT need time tables, we need victory. To change history and say Mitt has been consistent on the war is unsuportable. I know where he stands now, but that does not change history.

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Molon Labe!

you cannot seriously be trying to defend this. It is an obvious dirty trick and flat out lie.

I am not defending McCain, but this is not something that will change the race. I know Mitt was not consistently strong on the war, same thing with Huckabee. Heck, every Repub (not Paul) is on board now after the success of the surge, the question was did Mitt go wobbly when the war was at a low point.

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Molon Labe!

Its one thing to talk about records, its another thing to take some words and completely misconstrue them with an arrogant smile on his face. What a blatant liar. I once considered McCain a second choice, but this is the crap that drives me away.

or that of any other Conservative either.The greatest single cause of Atheism today is Christians who profess Jesus with their lips & then go and deny him by their lifestyle. That's what an unbelieving world simply finds..unbelievable -Brennan Manning

I doubt that McCain can win without the Conservative vote but I'm sure your opinion will vary...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

or I wrote poorly...or maybe I have my head up a dark place and shouldn't comment after a long day's work while ill.

My point was that McCain has caught the affections of pretty much everyone except the Conservatives - the three legged ones, that is.

Adam C's comments notwithstanding, I don't see McCain as truly interested in courting the Conservative vote. He knows most of us will vote for him, given the alternative, hence my comment.

The greatest single cause of Atheism today is Christians who profess Jesus with their lips & then go and deny him by their lifestyle. That's what an unbelieving world simply finds..unbelievable -Brennan Manning

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Getting McCain to blow his top would be a great strategy. Nothing like seeing the guy self distruct.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Thanks for the history lesson, Ron. Did he just defend Romney by the way, saying that they have both had the same position?

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

McCain is self-destructing with this cut and run charge against Mitt. His loose screw is showing and this is the kind of thing that will get him killed in the general election.

"The right answer to that question was.. NO"

Romney was trying to have it both ways, he deserves what he's getting.

if you turn aound and slug that blathering idiot Ron Paul, I'll switch my vote from Romneyin a heartbeat.

Why I don't like McCain and I don't trust Romney.

To me -- and yes, I know there are many here who disagree with me -- McCain is not smart enough and too testy to bring up the actual question Romney was responding to (i.e "timetables for withdrawing the troops."). And -- again, I know many here disagee with me -- Romney is too "smarmy" for me to trust.

It's amazing that in a country as great as this that the top six candidates for the Presidency are McCain, Romney, Clinton, Obama, Huckabee, and (yes, even) Ron Paul.

Wow!!!!

You're wasting your seconds.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

Interesting. Is this a new course for Huckabee.

Huckabee just said that it would be possible to leave Iraq in a mess. I'll bet he's a communist sympathizer too...

He looks so incredibly smug tonight. I think he's really uncomfortable.

I think his Depends are riding up.

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies...

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Molon Labe!

mentioned Reagan's age frequently. If McCain gets the nomination, they will start asking if he is too old the day after the convention. It is obviously a weakness to be exploited.

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies...

tortured in a Vietnamese hole, and still wears those scars. I also bet you have no loved ones who where depends as their bodies fail them. I am ammused by the hatred on display here tonight, the reality is McCain will win this thing and the joy of poking him with sticks (punji sticks?) will be shortlived.

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Molon Labe!

his Vietnam days. Today is about politics and a leader of the free world...so give up the past please. We all grant that he was a hero during the Vietnam War - please let the past be. As a potential president, he certainly has flaws and that should be discussed.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

responding to. And the only people who want to forget the past don't have one.

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Molon Labe!

low, but it was simply referencing his age - which is a factor. I am just sick and very tired of hearing his past used as a crutch for his presidency.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

war...(and yes, I can join the VFW)...so his background does NOT do him any extra justice to me... You either take his credentials too much to heart or maybe listen to the MSM flaunting his service.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

something to say, but I choose not to. Thank you for your service.

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Molon Labe!

if he is the nominee, so I am more friendly than most of those who will be commenting on his fitness to serve. I make no apologies for commenting on his degree of calcification/fossilization. He is also starting to remind me of the last John who ran for president who, by the way, served in Viet Nam.

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies...

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

to stay positive. He looks pretty good so far - just not much screen time.

Romney and Huck are both had excellent nights tonight. (Huck never really has a bad night, though.) McCain had a really bad night. I like and respect John McCain, but tonight he is coming across as petty and surly. Not to mention, he doesn't directly answer a lot of questions. McCain's debate performances are starting to remind me a lot of Bill Richardson's--i.e., he repeat his resume over and over again (as well as his support for the surge) and drones on and on and on. However, Richardson's at least always affable and never displays the kind of nastiness that McCain has displayed tonight. No offense to anyone, but if McCain debates like this in the general election, than Hillary is going to carve him up like a Thanksgiving turkey. Think what you will of Hillary, but she is an excellent debater.

I agree that, given McCain's debate performance last night, Obama would also carve him up in the debates come November. Obama is a better speaker than Hillary is; however, Hillary is a better debater than Obama is.

On a side note, GC, you mentioned Obama's smugness. Many people on the left wing blogs tend to agree with you. There is an AP picture of Obama turning his back on Hillary, at the State of the Union Address, when she reached out her hand to him--it has officially been dubbed "The Snub". There is also another AP picture of Obama and Kennedy giving Hillary dirty looks behind her back. These picture were up on The Drudge Report for two days and have been circulated all around the lefty blogs. These pictures create a problem for Obama, because of the "You're likable enough, Hillary" moment that Obama had in the NH debate. There is, now, a growing perception in Democratic circles that Obama is indeed "smug". I have provided a link below to these pictures.

Now, I am sorry to thread jack, but I thought that you might be interested in this. The media is giving this story line little play, because they obviously love Obama and McCain, and hate Romney and Hillary. However, as more and more people are getting their "news" from blogs instead from TV, blogs could serve as a bellwether of which direction an election could go. Have a great day. :-)

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/29/04240/1321

The pastor doesn't see into mens souls but judges them by their actions. Poetry.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

winning until he drops the nanny state crud. If he did this, I would support him.

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Molon Labe!

There was a time we expected his level and better from our politicians. Now he is the only candidate that can really inspire with just words.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

I've always wondered why some politician doesn't harp on how harmful illegal immigration is to *Hispanics*; both the hapless victims of the ruthless human traffickers, and those left behind in communities that have had their economies & societies devastated by the horribly skewed population demographics.

"Securing the Border helps those on BOTH sides of it". Esp. considering McCain was an early adopter of imm. reform, that plus a 'tough love' approach on border security could keep a lot of Bush Hispanics around in Nov, IMO.

STEVENS, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which SCALIA, J., joined.

When he was leaning forward I expected him to start going "My precious"
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

why is he still called a maverick? The rebel against the leaders.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

McCain keeps going back to his war record even when its about the economy. And the class warfare is sickning.

energy indepedence. Yet, in the same sentence (he has long sentences), he opposes oil drilling off the coast of California. How is limiting our domestic energy exploration going to make us LESS dependent on foreign oil, Johnny?

Someone should call him on this.

the majority of Californians don't want any more oil drilling platforms off our coast because they ruin the view. McCain knows that and he is pandering for the vote. The fact that we haven't had a problem with any of the drilling operations in many years doesn't sell to the Republican moderates who make up the base in this State. It all goes back to the "Tell them what they want to hear" style of campaigning. Thompson could have gotten away with telling the voters the truth because he's one of those Hollywood types, (You remember Arnold and Ronald don't you). Yes, believe it or not the Republican voters in this state are that superficial...Sorry...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

I guess according to his logic then he is advocating withdrawal since any use of that word is a codeword for surrender.

He hoodwinks conservatives by acting like the war is the only issue.

What about McCain-Feingold and it's effect on free speech?

What about immigration?

What about tax cuts?

What about gay marriage?

Some of everything a conservative wants in a President sitting up there tonight. Now if you could find a way to crush them into one guy, that would be great (Where is Fred?).

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

Of Fred Thompson driving a steam roller over the others ala 'Looney Toons'The greatest single cause of Atheism today is Christians who profess Jesus with their lips & then go and deny him by their lifestyle. That's what an unbelieving world simply finds..unbelievable -Brennan Manning

Not actual leaders...love it!

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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?

their positions on every major issue, Governor Romney. Sorry, no.

I agree that he is "winning the debate. Followed closely by Hukabee, who I like even less than McCain. But Mitt Romney is still giving off this vibe of untrustworthiness to me.

Maybe Romney has changed and is now trustworthy but I have seen him too long to believe him. I used to live in New Hampshire.

that none of our candidates are exciting the electorate. This is looking more and more like a race for second place in the general election. Something big has to happen to change what appears to be inevitable...

But I've been thinking this same thing pretty much since Fred dropped out.

My actual thought process was: which one of the candidates left will do the most good for the GOP and conservatives - in 2012- when they lose the general this November?

The greatest single cause of Atheism today is Christians who profess Jesus with their lips & then go and deny him by their lifestyle. That's what an unbelieving world simply finds..unbelievable -Brennan Manning

I'm on board and pulling the oars the whole way, but in the back of my mind there's that nagging suspicion over where the ship is going and the source of the water sloshing around my ankles.

Still voting, not wishing for defeat, not quitting.

The greatest single cause of Atheism today is Christians who profess Jesus with their lips & then go and deny him by their lifestyle. That's what an unbelieving world simply finds..unbelievable -Brennan Manning

that will defend the nation, and then work grass roots to either re-build the GOP or a truly cnservative third party after the election.

Plus, work the gop senate minority to filibuster en masse.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com

if McCain ends up as the nominee, I will hold each and every one of you accountable.

Likewise to Huckabee supporters.

Y'all got what you wanted. You crippled Romney's support among conservatives. Now a moderate has the inside track to the nomination.

I hope McCain blows it.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

the RomneyBots who picked the candidate who was the least demonstrably conservative (from past positions and actions). Don't get me wrong, I'm with Romney now, but I tend to vote on issues. I'm sorry
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I picked the candidate :| um, what?

by that point, Romney knew the flip flop meme would be an obstacle. He could have thrown his support for Fred, proven his bona fides, and had tremendous conservative support for a run in the future.

I also blame Huckabee for not turning right before the campaign began. He did have a steep learninig curve, but some of the things he said during the early weeks were terrible.

Great debate performance from him so far.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

But McCain's pants are too short.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

That's funny - he must be worried about floods from global warming.

Nicely disassembles the chickenhawk question
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Molon Labe!

there are a lot of people, myself included, who wish that at that young age they would have realized what a benefit to their life it would have been to have served in the military.

I'm not understanding where you get classless from that.

And yes if you must know I did. I know many people that looked back later in life and wish they had served. Frankly, the only classless one I saw on the stage tonight was JMac. I also found your comment classless.

a troll for all I know. If you were a regular, you would know. I find your comment classless and I have a radar for picking people soon to be banned. I don't care if Mitt served, but I found the comment, after making his life choices, that "he would have loved to have served" to be a classless comment. He should simply praise those that did serve, he was sitting next to a guy who gave almost the last full measure, and in some ways, more.

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Molon Labe!

Maybe you should actually learn to answer a question. Cut the trolling crap....you seem to drop that whenever you get a response you don't like. Maybe that's why you are a McCain supporter? You like the temper?

Maybe you should give Mitt the benefit of the doubt....maybe he really does regret the fact he didn't serve. I don't find that any harder to swallow than McCain miraculously changing his stance on the border.

on whether they served or not. I know all about that meme, Dems use it to Chickenhawk people. Most of those dems who use the Chickenhawking don't even know someone who served.

Let me give you a tip, we do not do that kind of stuff here. Many here served, many have not, we do not have classes here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have been around the net long enough to ignore questions such as the one you posted. There is never a right answer. I would advise you to defend your points with out trying to call out fellow Red Stater's.

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Molon Labe!

in a foreign country. Kinda hard when you are over seas or getting a double major at Harvard.

I would say that your comment is without worth.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

"bought and sold and people lost their jobs" He is in the wrong Party

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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?

Iraq is more important than the US.

how can you go so far off the reservation? Ron Paul may have some grand ideas, but many are just insane.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

Romney has really made himself look bad over the past 10-20 minutes of the debate. A lot of "smugness"...

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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?

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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?

How can you talk over somebody when somebody else is trying to answer a question, mouth words while they answer a question, and then laugh when they answer a question all without looking smug...?

instead of trying to say why HE can run the economy, be a leader etc. Man, he is doing poorly but it's probably too little too late. I don't get his appeal.

The President doesn't and shouldn't manage the economy.

But they should at least understand the ramifications of their positions and chosen legislation on the economy, and so on.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

He's exactly right about the gov't not running the economy but instead providing an environment for the people to prosper.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

If he didn't have more nuts than a Clarke Bar on some really big issues I would vote for him in a heartbeat, write him as large a check as possible and start planting signs around the place and voting for him in online polls.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

Obviously the gold standard doesn't work, but the REAL problem is that government has a legal monopoly on printing currency.

If a libertarian idea seems bad, the solution is to make it crazier.

Did Huckabee just call Paul a bigot? Or did I mishear?

I would be tempted to side with him. But I am also seeing a twist here. Is it me, or is he siding more with Romney than McCain. Not alot, but some.

it's not like they don't deserve it! Bunch of legislative clowns all - of late.

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He's dead on about Federal unfunded mandates.

but it's too little too late. Fred wiped the floor with the other candidates in his last debate, too, and it got him nowhere.

And there's not really a lot McCain can say. He IS a liberal on a bunch of issues and that's that. I would bet either Hillary or Obama would clobber him in a one-on-one setting.

Was that just huckabees point. No decisions can leave anyone out.
"Cowards cut and run, Marines never do"

"Cowards cut and run, Marines never do"

someone else....he is an angry little man.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

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Huck is a great speaker and articulates his vision better than all of the other candidates. But he's just too liberal fiscally. If he was as conservative economically as he is socially, I think he could have united the Republican Party and done really well in November.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

He does have a steep learning curve. I just wish he would have hit the books before running for President.

The shot to Nancy was magic and icing for him. He just does so well with these.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Only good answer to an incredibly dumb question from Anderson.

Nasty, Nasty, Nasty.

He made me like Romney more.

5x5x5x5x5x5x5x5x5x5x5x5x5! NT

Huckabee and Romney.

Loser McCain.

It was not even close.

McCain does have a head full of steam (The MSM are always right).

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that RonPaul™ was the clear winner.

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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

It would have been a very different race.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Romney not only won but McCain got hurt. I don't know if it will be enough but I couldn't have dreamed up a worse debate for McCain and better for Romney. It could only have been worse if McCain actually decked Romney, which I thought at times he might.

Just hands down.

Mcain lost hands down. As I said earlier reminded me of Gollum reaching for the ring.

Romney won from the perspective of dealing with his adversary and certainly got McCain to present an ugly picture of himself.

Ron Paul managed to acquit himself quite well.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

but claiming he won is a stretch.

but you can't help but like the guy and root for him a little bit. And McCain is just blech. He came off (again) as the most unlikeable guy there.

I really don't want to flip to Romney or back to Huckabee, but McCain seemed very petty tonight. Shame.

No one of good character leaves behind a wasted life - John McCain

but, if McCain was as bad as everyone said he was he might have had a reason. CNN is now reporting Arnold Kennedy-Schwartzengger is now endorsing him. If I were were him, I would have been worried about that.

McCain '08

One of the things I was watching for is if Huckabee would be double teaming Romney. If he did, it meant that he was really trying to get McCain to win. But it looks like Huckabee is either looking to win, or be prepared to make the best deal he can to be the VP.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

McCain looks just as ashen and pale as Herb Kohl, who literally looks like a corpse if anybody has seen him in person.

This really is Bob Dole all over again. An old, tired looking guy who won't wear well over the course of the campaign season.

Why couldn't Huck have been just a little more conservative?

One ugly debate. Still can't get excited about the remaining three candidates that actually matter. Makes me miss having Thompson and Giuliani in the field.

I know the Romney supporters are anxious to spin it but both candidates made theirselves look terrible tonight by trying to attack the other one over and over again.

I'll say it again, this was the debate Thompson was waiting for. If he would have held out for just a few more weeks...

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

can endorse McCain and I still would not support that petulant and nasty man. How low can he stoop...

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

she won't vote for him but will tell us conservative how lucky we are that "moderates" are forcing us to. Jeezzzz.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,326847,00.html

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

you need to be more jaded :) The Dems see the national polls, they are giddy to swap McCain for Huck or Mitt.

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Molon Labe!

national polls drive our Republican selection...don't you?

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Molon Labe!

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When it comes to performance and substance, Mitt won. Overall, however, McCain won, because the simple fact of the matter is not enough people watch these debates for it to make any difference.

The naive forgive and forget.
The foolish forget but do not forgive.
The wise forgive but do not forget.

otherwise, I fear that you are right.

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during the debate -- just because of RedState.

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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?

Bennet is saying on the five main questions McCain just throws up a cloud of I am who I am, but doesn't really answer the questions.
So true and pathetic. He is fully aware that the only way to get the conservative vote is to obfuscate on his real positions and not answer his past dismal record.
Romney needs a new and more robust ad stategy and come out strong.
In the general election Clinton or Obama would chew up McCain and spit him out in debates if he perfoms like he did tonight.

To remain free we must think freely.

Just a few observations

Romney had some very good answers regarding the economy, leadership and responses to attacks.

Mccain avoids answering questions. He came across as a nasty, obsessed attack dog, who brought everything back to 'his' strategy of the Surge. He obviously lied about Romney's position and would not give it up when confronted. He's scary - I'm totally uncomfortable with him having control of the 'button'. I cnan see him spending a lot of time on personal political vendettas.

Ron Paul understands big picture economics and the Constitution. He's out to lunch on foreign policy. The 'empire' comments really rankle.

Huckabee is an outstanding speaker and his final answer on Reagan was simply fantastic. Too bad his policies are too far to the left.

Romney won and I now dislike mccain on a personal level as well as political.

but it won't matter. The moderate squishes who support McCain are watching DIY or HBO, not a political debate.

And once again, depression sets in. I promise you they will tune in when October gets here. Just in time to see a very old and tired McCain get clobbered by Obama or Hillbilly.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

So, are we now seeing the fruits of 40 years of liberal controlled public education?

The exit polling from Florida - according to Dick Morris on Hannity and Colmes last night- shows that one third of Republicans considered themselves moderate to liberal!!!

There is a growing liberal leaning among Evangelicals and Republicans. Conservatives are losing the battle for the message.
Another reason why Gingrich is on target on his plan for regaining a conservative government.

To remain free we must think freely.

McCain may be the GOP Establishment's "fall down" candidate in a potentially bad year...not that Romney would necessarily win, either. This debate was meaningless with a slight edge to Romney, and nothing changed, which means McCain "won." The only reason this remains unsettled is McCain's volatility. His obvious lead could have evaporated tonight if he had one of his patented anger episodes. My biggest fear is that will happen in October and will cost us senate and congressional seats. Since I have no affinity for either Huckabee or McCain, and very little for Romney to be frank, my vote may be decided by the Big Government Nanny Stater whom I think less likely to be an embarassment in the general election.

Not good times.

I think a lot of Dems will vote for McCain if Hilary wins the nomination because of the Iraq War issue.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

of turning *off* Lindsey Graham. Pfbttttttttt.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

Oh, and didn't it look like the guy for the Politico was a McCain guy? He didn't seem happy that McCain was getting his clock cleaned.

--roxer

"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing."
--Fred D. Thompson, 2008

Huck became a major factor after a tremendous performance in Florida's YouTube debate. Could this performance help Huck sweep the southern states? Yes, and I can't wait!

I believe he held the same belief in his chances you have in huckabee's
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

and maybe I won't, either way I'll persist in distorting his record, heh, heh, heh.
The fixed smile, the grim self satisfaction, the constant repetition, not nuts? Maybe we should leave the door open on that.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

It matters not who won or lost the debate tonight. What matters is who told the folks what they wanted to hear. Who is going to put a car in every garage and two chickens in every pot. The candidate who offered the most give aways won their hearts. The only two issues that are hitting everyone out here is the downturn in the economy and the illegal aliens flooding the State. Romney wins the illegal alien issue. The other one is probably a toss up because no one addressed it clearly. How the folks vote depends on which way the wind is blowing on election day, if they aren't too busy downing their flavored coffees and wondering what Paris Hilton is having for lunch they might just go vote. Trust me. I have lived out here for over 50 years and these people don't think too deep. I'm praying for a brokered convention where they throw all of them out and start fresh. Anything is better than what we are faced with right now...

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Love the coffee. don't care much for the airheads...

RS is a microcosm of the base of the R party. We had three threads of 300 comments each for earlier debates. This one rates one with 234, including post debate analysis.

This is not a good sign for November.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

Our interests or enthusiasms.

I am even more upset that the two people at that debate I found most inspiring were Huckabee and Ron Paul.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

CNN just showed the viewer dials as the 24 "undecided" voters watched the debate. They showed Romney winning the positive meter in the exchanges with McCain. McCain's reading went into the tank. He clearly showed himself petty and rude and nasty. In the general he wll embarrass the GOP.

To remain free we must think freely.

Win or lose, many will say we needed a better candidate after the general election. Many of us had better candidates in mind who ran & didn't run. I don't honestly know what the answer is except for future candidates to look at what worked & what didn't.

I am no more "jazzed" about McCain after this, nor much less jazzed. If he is the nominee, I pray that the democrats are still controlled by the loony left & keep up their MO of vicious smearing attacks to keep him pushed (as much as possible) to the right. I'm liking Huckabee more, but I don't think enough to overtake Romney right now. Huckabee's leading in TN, would it be worth it for him to take the delegates instead of McCain?

If McCain's the nominee in the general, I'll still vote for him based on the opposition. Unless he has major epiphanies, it will honestly be more of a vote against Hillary or Obama. I'd love to really have a candidate in this to vote for enthusiastically, because I "preach" voting for something.

I hope he loses all 50 states. I detest him that much.

If the GOP has come to this... picking the biggest backstabber in GOP history, it's time to take the lottery pick and rebuild.

RINO's suck

if you want that much damage to the country.

to be just a bit STRANGE! To say the least...heh.

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