Dobson Endorsing Huckabee
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Dobson will endorse Huckabee for the GOP nomination.
If not for letting the cat out the bag too early months ago and sending Dobson scurrying away, Huckabee might have actually gotten some steam out of this endorsement. Now, it's a little late.
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It's proof that he's still, after all these years, an unadvisable political naif whose every decision to speak out comes at the wrong time and in the wrong forum. Sad to say, because I respect the guy.
A lot of good this does him now.
Although I was having a thought. McCain's got a bit of a VP dilemma now. Pat Toomey and the Club for Growth are adamantly opposed to Huck being on the ticket at all, even as VP. They have released a statement to this effect.
But on the other hand, the only way I can see that McCain can solidify the Christian conservative base is by selecting Huckabee. McCain (as all national GOP candidates) needs those conservative Christian activists if he is going to have a prayer in November. Evangelicals are the reason W won two terms. These are the silent majority who hit the pavement, knock on doors, make phone calls, and provide a ready made GOTV army for Republicans. They are essential.
So, McCain is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with Huck. If he selects him, he pisses of the CfG (who already doesn't like McCain as it is). If he doesn't select Huck, then he risks alienating the Christian conservatives, who already have reservations about McCain. It's a tough spot.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Is by the way nobody around them can stand them.
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If McCain's looking for a real conservative? What about Fred? (Sorry been hearing Rush in my ear all day, and our last two nominees just have me thinking this)
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
Mitthead for McCain/Rudy or insert conservative not named Huckabee here in 08
Please tell me you're joking. You write: "the only way I can see that McCain can solidify the Christian conservative base is by selecting Huckabee."
Look, I'm from Alabama. I'm a Southern Baptist. I'm an attorney working primarily on religious freedom and sanctity of life issues. I'm a Christian conservative. And Huck is certainly not the only way to solidify the Christian conservative base. Really, I'm fairly ok with McCain on most of the issues I care about. I honestly think he'll be pretty good on judges if not absolutely ideal. I would of course like a little reassurance that someone who I would think of as having more passion for religious freedom and life issues would be in his ear as VP for judicial selections, decisions on stem cell research, etc.
But by no means does Huckabee have to be that person. Any number of folks would fill the bill. From the Senate - DeMint would be nice (though very unlikely since he backed Romney), Coburn, etc. JC Watts would be excellent though that's impossibly unlikely. Fred Thompson (though I'm not sure he really believes deep down in the life cause) would work - he was in fact my #1 choice.
Huckabee certainly might be sufficient for socons, but he's by no means McCain's only choice, probably not his best one for locking up social cons (especially ones who also care about other issues), and I really don't think social cons are his big problem anyway. The folks who care a lot about the immigration issue and economic conservatives are as big a problem. Sure, if he picks Giuliani it might make social conservatives nervous, but assuming he'll pick someone who supports the pro-life plank and doesn't have a glaring problem on that front (or isn't a supporter of gay marriage, etc.), he has plenty of options that socons will be comfortable with.
Dobson's a good man, but I have no idea what he's thinking here. Please don't assume that his thoughts are in concert with most socons. Just as Robertson's Giuliani endorsement was out of left field and unrepresentative of those he supposedly represents, so was Dobson's flat rejection of McCain. My prediction is that when Huck gets out he'll talk to Dobson, reassure him about McCain, and pull him back into the fold.
Why not give Haley Barbour a shot? Or if you want a genuine evangelical, try John Aschcroft.
Hang all traitors and secessionists! Hang them high!
- Me
Ashcroft is a Bushie. There won't be any Bushies on the ballot this go-around.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
No, it's "If he doesn't select Huck, then he risks LOSING"
The CFG does not generate foot traffic to the polls, only Huckabee's base can do that, as you pointed out. You overestimate the importance of CFG and underestimate the importance of an energized base.
I support Governor Mike Huckabee for President.
The only thing Huckabee is qualified to do is be the White House preacher. He's clueless otherwise-the so con base has already screwed us into these two craptastic candidates. I can garauntee I will actively donate time and money to the Obama or Clinton campaign if Huckabee gets anywhere near the White House to do anything than park his trailer on the lawn for a barbecue. You all will lose the election and become an alienated part of the party, which in the end is probably better for the GOP as a whole anyway, it will ensure we don't see anotr Huckabee at the top of the ticket again.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
Please, the socons (aka Conscience voters, aka people who will work long, hard hours campaigning because they believe it is the "right thing to do" and not just because it would benefit themselves) have been among the most dedicated and necessary parts of the coalition. How is this kind of talk any better than "I'll vote for Hillary if McCain is the candidate"? I find it even less principled frankly. It sounds more like bias than strategy.
"Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. I'm a whale biologist."
I have no problem with conservative Christians, they do inf act work hard in the election. I have a problem with throwing away the coalition based on the conviction that it is logical to kill the coalition for abortion, despite the fact that anyone with any knowledge knows that someone like Huckabee would not have a chance in H*** in getting any justice on any COurt, beacuse everyone knows he uses an abortion litmus test. I find it frustrating because we had good winning candidates that the socons voted out on in a threat to take their balls and go home because they would not vote for a Mormon, and they would not vote for someone who put together an excellent judicial team, and they wouldn't even vote for a man who got the NRLC endorsement, because he lobbyed for 3 hours for Planned Parenthood. Instead they backed the trailerpark governror from Arkansas who picks his positions from whatever PDF gets emailed to him that morning. You want unprincipled, look at Huckabee, and look at the state he left the Arkansas Republicans in. Look at his Shiite Republicans comments, and look at the fact that he has a seek and destroy method with anyone from any party. Yeah, he's the Walmart Republican-we definitely need a guy with no clue on the economy when most Ameicans list the economy as their number 1 issue. But hey, he hates gays, so what else do we need!
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
100% pro-life Christian, I couldn't agree with your sentiments more. Thankfully, not all of us are that blind and single-focused. Unfortunately, too many are.
I've been a member of the NRTL for 20+ years and yet I have been ripped by Huckabee supporters on here for having the audacity to say that all 3 legs of the conservative stool are interrelated and without all 3, it is inevitable that the other two would fall also. One went so far as to state that because I obviously value money over life I was lying when I said I was pro-life.
I have friends (not many, thank God), who despite believing everything else that a candidate stands for will refuse to support him/her because he/she wants to ban all abortions except rape, incest & the life of the mother even though the opponent supports abortion up to and including partial birth. So.....you're not supporting someone because he only wants to get rid of 99% of the abortions instead of 99.9%? Help me, please.
I have tremendous respect for James Dobson and can't count the number of his books I own (they were of an invaluable help in raising my 5 kiddos) but his refusal to support FDT despite his NRTL rating just because he doesn't attend church regularly was mind-boggling, and played a not small role in allowing McCain to sneak in the back door for this nomination. So, James, who'd ya rather have now? Fred or John?
Ok....breathe in, breathe out....must find my Prozac.
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
The fact is, while I am not a hardcore socon (although I am stongly opposed to all abortion on the grounds that I think its murder plain and simple), I have tried to respect the so con point of view. I am very much for killing terrorists and hippie punching, which I think is an important part of the coalition. If Fred had run a better campaign, I and people like myself would not have switched when he sizzled well before Iowa, and we could be takling about who Fred's goign to pick for VP. Unfortunately, Hucakbee is not my 20 percent enemy, he's my 20 percent friend. And as I think Hillary has more cajones than he does when it comes to the war, I will vote for her if Huckabee gets anywhere near the ticket-he is an embarassment to the party.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
African-Americans like you. Sometime I'd love to engage you in a conversation as to why it has been so difficult for the party of hope and freedom (that would be us when we run as true conservatives) to pry blacks away from the party of dependency and despair...but I digress (as usual)
Hey, here's how I see it. It doesn't do any good to have banned abortions, defined marriage, stopped ESCR, and cleaned up the sewage that passes for pop culture today if the Goths are beating down the gates. And ya can't keep the Goths at bay if you don't have a well-running economy to be able to afford an army to do so. And can you really create the kind of moralistic capitalistic system necessary to feed the machine if, at the very heart of that system, there is no respect or protection for the weakest of society, and there is no social order or mores?
Am I missng something here?
Prozac...must find my Prozac.
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
And especilly now that the nomination fight is all but over, I will be posting a diary on this very matter soon addressing what we have to do to get an Obama of our own.
As to your second point, I miss Fred....alot. I really wanted it to come down to Fred vs. Mitt, and have two men I respect as the frontrunners, with a Thompson/Romney ticket. Instead we have reduced ourselves to trash...bring me that Prozac when you find it...
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
I've been jonesing for a hit ever since Hunter's campaign went no-where... and then Fred dropped out....
"Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. I'm a whale biologist."
for his half 'cause I'm not givin' up any of mine :-)
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
you have it backwards. Great societies are destroyed within, not without. We don't have anyone who comes close to threatening us like the Goths threatened Rome. We do have a few parallels to Roman society today though.
"Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. I'm a whale biologist."
In fact, that thought flashed through my mind as I was typing. Just didn't think anyone would be prescient enough to pick up on it. Silly me! FWIW, they weren't in any particular order of importance, but if I did have to rank 'em, I'd put the 'within' as the core. But in the end, if ya don't have all 3, it's only a matter of time before the other 2 go bye-bye
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
when you insist that the GOP had "good winning candidates" for whom Evangelical Christians would not vote because of some hangup over Mormonism. You see, for an Evangelical to vote for a candidate, they must have reason to believe that the candidate is pro-life after a lengthy history of being pro-abortion-as-an-option. If a candidate is perceived is not perceived as a bona fide pro-lifer, he probably won't get their support.
And I think you'll find that no matter what claims are made, abortion is a de facto litmus test or would-be litmus test for every candidate or office holder who deals with groups pushing interests in either direction.
In sum, the problem was not Mormonism; rather, it was credibility with the Evangelical voters.
in general I'd say you are right. It was the credibility thing more than the Mormon thing (although as a Christian who lived in UT for 7 years and knows the Mormon religion quite well, I can tell you that at least for some of my friends, it was an ongoing battle to get them to understand that they were electing a president not a pastor so I don't want to underestimate that that sentiment did exist)
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
If they were looking for a real conservative with 100 percent pro-life credentials, heres someone who had the NRLC endorsement! His campaign was lacking, but there is no way that Huckabee is the one that fills the Fred void without Mormon push polling that he did in Iowa and SC.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
I've said this before, I was ready to jump to Fred as a consensus candidate but two things happened...Instead of hitting the floor running Fred hit it like a week old dead fish....Second H was turned off by manny of his supporters such as BlackRepub and their contemptuous comments and arrogant condescension.
It takes two to make a marriage ad it's becoming eer more evident that So-Cons are the Battered Wives that can't leave their abusers!
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
"which in the end is probably better for the GOP as a whole anyway" That'd return the party's power to that of the pre-Reagan era. That kind of revenge (or whatever it is) hurts everyone.
I don't think Huck would have been such a problem if the Republican party hadn't dragged its feet 30+ years to fix Roe v Wade. When you deal with people who think murder is legalised, federally funded and being done 1.2+ million times a year, it's reasonable to assume they are getting anxious for change, possibly even desperate.
I don't think that Huck is a great candidate but if people try to deny the socons a "bone" by voting against the ticket over Huck they hurt everyone in the process by alienating the socons more than they have themselves. I suggest not talking like that and instead working to get a more acceptable, socon-appeasing VP. If Huck is the VP (which I highly doubt), I'd suggest directing your anger at McCain or elsewhere since defcons and fiscons aren't likely to feel alienated by that anyway.
Also keep in mind that the VP slot has been in the past as a way to make someone mostly innefective. So that should make you happy anyway.
"Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. I'm a whale biologist."
Not for the same reasons, but I am as pro-life as they come. My whole problem is the socons have gotten by far the best deal out of the Bush years. They got 2 excellent socially conservative justices on the SCOTUS, one of whom is the chief justice. While abortion is important, I do not think that social issues are in play the way they were in 2004. Screaming "the gays are coming" is not going to win us an election-we are going to have to win the independents and come up with conservative solutions to things like the economy, health care, job creation, the GWOT. When the time comes to nominate judges we can and must put strict constrictionists on the bench, but I don't see Huckabee as the only one who is going to put constructionists on the bench.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
" My whole problem is the socons have gotten by far the best deal out of the Bush years. They got 2 excellent socially conservative justices on the SCOTUS, one of whom is the chief justice."
Being one of those 3-legged conservatives with a bias to the SoCon side, I've never quite figured out what my brothers and sisters were complaining about. In the end, most of the SoCon agenda wouldn't be around if it wasn't for judges who apparently flunked "Reading the Constitution 101". Bush was a very pleasant surprise for me when it came to judges.
If there's a leg of the stool that got hosed under GWB it was the FisCons. Ya got tax cuts but man did FisCons get the raw end of the deal on the spending side.
Frankly, it's why I don't quite get their being enamored by McCain. I understand the earmark gig but the AGW agenda and the illegal alien strain on social services make earmarks look like chump change. Oh well......
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
That makes them think he's gonna reel in spending. I think that he will increse spending and taxes with AGW and cap and trade that will completely offset making the Buhsh tax cuts permanent. I would love for Johnny Mac to unveil what spending cuts he's planning on making.
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
I have much respect for Coburn. I'm not big into endorsements because so often it's the old insider's old boy's network. But Coburn's made me stop and take notice (until I would return my gaze to McCain's record :-)
But if John named Coburn as his VP, that would get me off this infernal fence I've been on about what his victory would mean to the conservative movement 'cause I'll place that in Tom Coburn's hands any day of the week.
But, like you, I'm not seeing how earmarks even begins to offset AGW and social services expanion.
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I've been accused of being otherwise, but I'm a three legged stool conservative as well....But the main leg on my stool is on social issues...I'm as pissed as anyone about Bush and No Child Left Behind, and the Amnesty Bill, and the Prescription Drug Bill, and lest we forget, McCain Feingold would never have become law without his signature. As for his performance on Judges...He was dragged kicking and screaming to Roberts after trying to foist Harriet Myers on us...But I digress, My biggest complaint though is the utter contempt with which SoCons are treated by ths party. I wrote a post about 6 months ago talking about how about every 12 years or so we are faced with an uprising from the Rokefeller wing and they came out in force this election cycle because 2004 showed them what happens when So-Cons turn out in force. The Dems did everything they needed to win in 2004 they turned out more Dems than at any time in history but they still lost because So-Cons turned out more.
This year was inevitable because the blue states were moved as early in the process as possible so no other candidate could compete with the Establishment Candidates,(McCain & Giuliani).
One thing that's bugged me for years is the Buzz terms "Big Tent", (Bob Dole and GHWB) and "Compassionate Conservative (GWB)" and "Reach across the isle", (McCain) the first means let's throw the So-Cons under the bus the second means let's throw the fiscons under the bus the third means let's throw everyone under the bus if it gets me good press. As of this election cycle I'm swearing off all three buzz terms...any candidate who utters an y of these phrases will not get my vote.
My biggest problem right now is that
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
have been dissed is just insane. Let's see, two conservative SCOTUS justices, the only veto before the Dems took Congress was for ESCR, DOMA, and the huge stink the Congress made over the "dead" lady in FL.
SoCons have gotten first cut on all their issues with the exception of the HLA and nobody can tell me what version they support.
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I'm not talking about what Bush has done or not done I'm talking about the Party as a whole. I don't have to give examples all you have to do is scroll some of the posts on here.
BTW
Bush had to be dragged kicking and screaming to Roberts after trying to cram Meyers down our throats.
And as for that "dead woman" in Fla. Her name is Terry Schivo and her death certificate says she died a couple years ago and the cause of death was severe malnutrition and dehydration!
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
I just don't want to alienate the socons just to teach them a lesson. I consider Huck supporters well-meaning but wrong.
Sorry, my above comment took a long time to write since I'm at work (I'm being paid to stare at the internet right now, but my boss doesn't yet know that). I regularily forget what people's positions are on issues. I didn't mean to accuse you of not being pro-life or anything else.
"Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. I'm a whale biologist."
I don't call myself a socon, thoough I hold some socially conservative positions, and I am much loude in my support for Bush in holding strong on the War, my biggest issue. I would like to not alienate them, but like I said, I'm slightly bitter about how this has shaken out, and I would proabably be less bitter if they had all flocked to Fred, which I thought was going to be the reasonable thing to do. BTW, I'm getting paid to look at the interent too, so no worries :-)
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
most so-cons don't know that. Don't make the mistake of thinking the words out the mouth of so-called leaders tell the whole story. The main thrust of them was their fear of a Rudy appointing judges, and all but Dobson are satisfied. The irony is that I came to trust Rudy more than McCain. But so be it.
BR, as Reagan said in the 70s, sometimes the biggest voice is the one you don't hear. See the 2006 turnout and the turnout in these 08 primaries. Not the talking heads.
Above all, listen to Rush.
Most evangelicals are not screaming the gays are coming. America before the scotus usurpation of self government was not a theocracy with a gay populace tyrannized by christians.
It is the gays that have been the screamers. It is christians asking that judges not create a new group rights interest group.
so be cool
all is well
But, and I know Rush, when the left starts attacking McCain from the left, it will galvanize us all.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
I'm ready to go to war with the sniveling, appeasing Demagogues. I can't wait to start standing together to smack around "Hope and Change", or the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that I survived" or as I call them "Surrender" and "Crooked".
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
The only religious bigotry voting sofar was in full display in Utah's Primary results.
I support Governor Mike Huckabee for President.
for Mitt with evangelicals. To deny it is to totally avoid reality.
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Evangelical George Bush won Utah by huge margins. I don't think Mormons have an anti-evangelical bias in their voting.
There's absolutely no reason to believe Mormons have an anti-evangelical bias in their voting. I do believe, however, that they have an extremely strong pro-Mormon bias in their voting.
I think the reason is that Mitt's the first and they want to support him. Kinda like women voting for Hillary.
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It's not uncommon for groups to stick together, especially if they have a history of persecution. You are almost certainly correct that Mitt being the first gave his Mormon support an extra boost.
The guy is the freaking Avatar of Mormon values and principles.
Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.
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"You all will lose the election and become an alienated part of the party, which in the end is probably better for the GOP as a whole anyway,"
Whenever someone says that there's no hostility to socons on RS, thanks for giving me yet another example to point to.
“The only thing Huckabee is qualified to do is be the White House preacher.”
Why can’t you mention Huckabee BlackRepub without making disparaging remarks about his being a preacher followed by a vitriolic attack on my faith and my right to be represented in the political process as a Christian Conservative. I’ve called you out on this more than once in posts that you’ve made all over Red State. His being a preacher has absolutely nothing to do with his qualifications to be “anywhere near the White House” given his experience as a two term Governor. You sir are an anti Christian Bigot.
As to “He's clueless otherwise…”, and his qualifications to be McCain’s running mate or if he “gets anywhere near the White House to do anything (other) than park his trailer on the lawn for a barbecue.”:
1) He is a two term Governor as is the current President and as was Ronald Wilson Reagan. He’s as qualified as anyone who’s occupied the office.
2) He was elected by his Gubernatorial pears as President of the Governors association.
3) He cut taxes (Net), despite the lies propagated by the Club for growth and Mitt Romney. They played an inside the beltway game of lying with the numbers by saying he raised a tax that he didn’t. Their mathematical slight of hand was accomplished by adding in a tax which was added to total taxes raised during his time in office that was placed on the ballot by referendum and passed by a majority vote of the electorate. He had NOTHING to do with that tax as it was not passed through the Legislature nor was his signature as Governor required for it to be enacted.
4) He took the Arkansas Education System from 47th In the country to being in the top ten.
5) If you had ever driven across Arkansas before he took office and were to drive across it now you’d know how well he did leading that state.
6) He took over after being locked out of his office by the Democrat Legislature with huge budget deficits and left office with a massive surplus.
Finally, if he were so fiscally liberal, how do you suppose he was able to win Iowa and mop up the south with McCain’s backside despite having spent less money by a factor in the 1000% and is the only man left standing to challenge the establishment candidate despite being written off and declared dead by the Punditry over and over again.
“the so con base has already screwed us into these two craptastic candidates.” As if you and your RINO brethren bear no responsibility for the current state of affairs! So-Cons were attacked and taunted from the start of this campaign having Guiliani rubbed in our faces. I was told more than once at Red State that we needed to get used to the idea of Guiliani that we might as well just fall in line because, “What are you going to do…Vote for Hillary? The arrogances and condescension of you and those like you that think you have a right to have it your way and So-Cons need to just shut up and fall in line is what has gotten us here.
“the so con base has already screwed us into these two craptastic candidates. I can garauntee I will actively donate time and money to the Obama or Clinton campaign if Huckabee gets anywhere near the White House”….”You all will lose the election and become an alienated part of the party, which in the end is probably better for the GOP as a whole anyway, it will ensure we don't see anot(he)r Huckabee at the top of the ticket again.”
Maybe you and the rest of the lords and ladies who have given us candidates like Dole, Ford, Nixon, GHW Bush, Rockefeller and Dewey and 40 years of uninterrupted Democrat rule of the house and Senate should get the hell out of the way and give someone else have a chance All I can say is don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
Huckabee's role as a preacher became a factor when he said he wanted to put God's standards into the Constitution. Why? Consider Capital Punishment - a Catholic will tell you that the death penalty is against the will of God, but a Protestant will likely say the opposite. So who gets to decide? And then there is the matter of anti-Catholic sentiment still lingering in some Protestant churches. Why should I believe that Catholics will get equal treatment? The anti-Mormonism that Romney's campaign attracted was not encouraging.
"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921
Some Christians would not vote for Romey because he's a Mormon but hardly all of us. The choice for me was taken out of my hands because Romney is gone and Texas has yet to vote. I had a problem with him because he was and attack dog early on in the campaign and came across as snidely wiplash trying to bring down everyone on front of him by attacking instead of showing us why we should support him. I didn't trust him because he came across as a used car salesman, (and a bad one at that) because he came across as insincere. I'd have been behind him 100% if the Romney I saw at CPAC yesterday had shown up earlier. I support Huck but I would vote for Romney to stop McCain so the charge that Christians won't vote for a Mormon is a lie!
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
I clearly said some Protestant Churches.
But what of "God's standards"? Are you going to tell me that Huckabee's comment doesn't open up for discussion his beliefs as a Preacher?
"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921
Sure it does, It was a stupid comment and I'm happy to discuss it with you. The way he said it was crazy but what he was getting at was taking the Constitution back to what the founders intended it to be and that is that it is for a "moral and religious people and it is wholey inadequate for the governance of any other"
I won't defend his comment because it was clearly crazy as phrased but it hardly justifies the apoplexy it has thrown the Rockefeller wing into since he made it.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
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Because Huckabee can't mention himself without being a preacher-his whole campaign is I'm more Christian than the other guy. It's how he attacked Fred, it's how he attacked Mitt, and it's how he attacks every single person who doesn't fall under being a far right evangelical first. I'm am far from an anti-Christian bigot-I am in fact a church going Catholic, but I choose not to mask my politics with my religion and I do not adhere to everything that my religion tells me to, nor do most evangelical Christians. As for falling in line, you guys have told us to shutup and fall in line with the if Rudy wins we're taking our ball and going home trash, so we have every single right to shove it right back in your faces. Yes if Huckabee, he of the clueless foreign policy who says we have an "arrogant bunker mentality" is trusted with the safety of our nation as our Party, I absolutely will vote for Hillary because I think she's more capable of winning in Iraq than he is. He has a record of being a tax a spender, read the Club for "Greed" report, as you Huckabots like to call it, and yes they are an accurate organization. It's ok for him to suggest that Mormons think Jesus and the devil are brothers, push poll in Iowa and SC about Mormonism, but not call him out as a snake oil preacher?
Hey ace, I think you're spilling..
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McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
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#1 I've never called the Club for Growth the Club for Greed.
#2 I note that you did not address my point about TCFG smoke and mirrors manipulation of the numbers about Huckabee raising taxes.
#3 Catholic or not, intentional or not your posts make you sound like a wild eyed Christian hating bigot.
#3 Huckabee made one commercial talking about his faith and he said merry Christmas with a subliminal, (to hear the Sec-Prog crowd tell it)cross hanging over his Sholder. What about it if it was intentional...I can't believe that people could get the vapors like they did just because there was a cross in an add wishing people a Merry Christmas which is by the way a Christian Holiday.
#4 Aside from his stupid and ignorant comment about Jesus and the Devil, Which he apologised for, I defy you to name one attack that he made on Mitt or Fred. As I recall it Fred, (My second choice BTW), childishly went out to kneecap Huckabee as he was making his exit.
#5 The fact that he was a preacher has nothing whatsoever to do with whether he should be denied the right to run for office. I've had it up to my eyeballs with the "Separation of Church and State" crowd who argue it means I have to keep my mouth shut about what I believe because I might offend someone. I became a Christian at the age of 34 and did not become a second class citizen just because I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior and I will not apologise for my faith.
As for whether you set this election out or not that's your choice as I said...don't let the door hit you on the way out. In fact I will hold it open for you because if McCain is the Nominee. I will be sitting this one out too whether McCain picks Huck as VP or not. In fact if Huck accepted it I'd be done with him altogether for pulling in with a RINO. I'm thinking of changing my party affiliation to independent, (I'm saying this as someone who was a Delegate to my District and State conventions in 2000 and 2004). It's not a move I make with a smile on my face and there is a good bit of sadness but after Republican Congresses spending like drunken sailors since 1994 and GWB selling us down the river with the Perscription drug benefit and calling us bigots for opposing the Shamnesty bill last year as well as his signature on McCain Feingold I don't see much point in sticking around any more since my party has left me.
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evangelical's on his own. He doesn't need Huck. McCain has reconciled with them, ie us for his harsh words in 2000. Dobson is out of his element. He didn't know when to declare victory when Rudy dropped out.
McCain is pro-life and pro military. He wins the GOP southern base.
I want him to pick JC Watts, not because he is a great so-con and semi-southerner, but because he is ready to be president, can help with the black vote, is an eco-con big time, is strong on the war, was a maverick himself from the right against a pacified late 90s Newt, and is, just great (man crush alert).
But McCain doesn't need a southerner or evangelical.
Richard Land is on board and many other such folk.
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as veep. Evangelicals and the south will go for McCain regardless. What most FisCon's and DefCon's need to worry about is bringing a few NE states into the fold. (I put this off on F/DCons because I think they are the dominate Republican voters in those areas as opposed to Socons.)
New York/New Jersey both immediately come into tplay with McCain and Rudy on the ticket together. Vermont is likely flipped, and we ill hold onto New Hampshire, as well as make a solid play on PA. McCain/Rudy lets us play offense, and we will likely hold Oregona nd perhaps even flip Washington and deliver it to Rossi.
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Not that it matters, but what didn't he like about Fred's policys? Realistically, if there was one group of voters a former Evangelical minister didn't need help reaching, it would be other Evangelicals.
I'm not sure how much endorsements matter at any point in any race, but I'm don't there are any combination of endorsements that would help Huck win now. Possibly a Zombie Reagan Endorsement would help.
I am a social conservative, and I respect Dobson, but what he said about Thompson was ridiculous. Dr. Dobson needs to realize that we live in a pluralistic society and someone who is with you 90% of the time is not your enemy.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Richard Land and Brownback are on board with McCain.
Like the rest of the three conservative constituencies, the SoCons split this year. That Dobson will appear petulant is almost beside the point at this stage.
Huckabee as Veep would leave both security and economic conservatives aghast. Conversely, a Guiliani selection as Veep would work-especially if Giuliani embraces a pro-life position as Bush did when he joined Reagan's ticket in 1980.
Rudy loves smacking Democrats in the mouth-he'd be the attack dog we need.
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Mitthead for McCain/Rudy or insert conservative not named Huckabee here in 08
But somehow I think the personal dynamics of that match might be sub optimum.
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not be the ticket since McCain is being forced to pick a true blue conservative. This is why I think Watts is the best choice by far. He will do more to unite this party than anyone I can think of. I do not want a pastor, just a strong conservative like Watts.
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I don't expect it to happen, but Rudy does complement McCain pretty well.
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That would guarantee that social conservatives and evangelicals stay home.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Yeah that's the way to draw SoCons back in by having the most liberal nominee since Dewey team up with yet another liberal Rockefeller republican from a blue state!
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ways that count to a Goldwater-Reagan conservative. I am tired of hearing how "socons" and "conservatives" are being taken for granted. Maybe there is a group that is being taken for granted, but they are big government Theocons. Words mean things, we all know of whom we speak, so let us just say it like men.
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Who appointed YOU judge of what "is conservative in all the ways that count to a Goldwater-Reagan conservative.
Being a So-Con does not make me a Theocrat anymore than wanting to win in Iraq makes us a warmonger. I am Socially conservative because I believe as the founders did that Liberty is impossible in a society devoid of a moral standard.
BTW
For those of you who want to blame So-Cons for McCain because we supported our candidate, couldn't the same be said of you for supporting yours?
like try picking someone who's conservative credentials were never in question. Rudy/McCain leaves socons even less likely to vote. Try any of the never in question candidates like Hunter, Tancredo, Brownback or Thompson if you're going to pick a former candidate. Even Romney would be better (way better!). At least that would even out the ticket towards conservatism. I didn't think anyone really worried that much about McCain's Natl Security stance. It was everything else that was in question. Picking up another hawk doesn't help him get conservatives. I for one cringe at the idea of Rudy '16! How would that be any better for socons than McCain '08? You have to give socons a bone or they just wont be motivated, and conscience voters do a huge percentage of the leg work for this party.
And if you want to argue with me "But none of the ones you mentioned are good attack dogs" or whatever, no one votes for a candidate based on how well the VP beat up the other VP. He can get a good PR guy to do that. The VP slot is always about unifying the party (or sometimes relegating a rival to an area in govt where they will have little influence or so I've been told)
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... Giuliani in a McCain administration, but that place should be the Justice Department. With his experience as a federal prosecutor, and his tough-on-crime credentials, Giuliani would make an excellent Attorney General. Alternately, he could do a good job at Homeland Security.
He'd be disaster, not to mention a total waste of talent as a VP, IMO. You don't put a work horse like Giuliani into a largely symbolic position like the Vice Presidency (I know that's not what the VP has been under Bush, but that's what it usually is). You've got to give him something to do, otherwise he'll go crazy or cause trouble.
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Defense would be OK, but he doesn't have any background in military matters.
I think he'd be better as Secretary of State.
The Iranians would $#!t themselves.
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I didn't think I would see you writing stuff about Giuliani that I agree with. Are you sure you really think that? ;)
VPOTUS is one of the least important positions. I want some indication as to who McCain would choose at the Treasury, Justice, and Commerce Departments.
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Yup, I'm a liberal. I'm also a proud southerner and can say that regional affinity is important. If I'm not mistaken, when y'all talk about shoring things up with the socons, what you're thinking is "oh my god, the south is in play." Well. There's another way to shore up the south than putting a blatant evangelical on the ticket. Put a southern accent on it.
I've got a Huey Long poster on my wall, but I get Fred Thompson because he talks like I do. I wouldn't vote for him, but I get where he comes from. The accent communicates a lot more about shared values and experience than any position statement can.
If you want the southern Republican base to show up, don't put a couple Yankees on the ticket. Figure out how to rehab George Allen's image.
But most Republicans actually care about issues, not the accent, how well the guy can bite his lip and tell you that he "feels your pain", or his saxophone playing ability.
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Uhh, honestly, I'd like to believe you, but after the recent McCain flap, I'm not so sure.
Conservative opposition to McCain basically comes down, in the end, to "He hurt my feelings." I mean, I know there are some issues they disagree with him on, but there are others that have disagreed on the same issues, and they've given them a blank check. At the very least, they haven't given them even 1-10th of the grief.
"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
And those he's wrong on, he's way wrong on. And those he's way wrong on seem to be some of the most important issues to him. But being a blind McCainiac, I don't expect you to recognize that. I know he can do no wrong, and if anybody has a problem with McCain, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with anything McCain has done. The man is a god, after all.
"He hurt my feelings"... now there's a pathetic excuse for "analysis."
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Giuliani as VP? No, NO, NO!
Seriously, why even consider Giuliani when there are so many other possibilities that don't come with the same baggage?
Maybe Like Many Conservative the Thought of McCain Leading the GOP is repulsive. There is a strong possiblity that McCain does not get the votes needed to win nomination if conservatives in the remaining states vote for Huckabee.
While Romney's delegates might be able to put McCain or Huckabee over the top, what if Romney's delegates refuse to support either candidate? Who could be picked that would be agreeable to both McCain and Romney supporters? Or would it have to be Huckabee because he would feel robbed if he didn't get it. Actually, this could be a real mess. In earlier posts I assumed that Romney supporters would back Huckabee but if they absolutely refused to support Huckabee would they go to McCain? Any thoughts?
I ran the caucus for my precinct here in Las Vegas and got a decent read on who the Romney delegates are, and they will either switch to Huck or they won't bother attending the county/state conventions (more will do this), in which case their "unbound" status here in Nevada leaves Huck (and Paul) an opportunity to get those ex-Romney delegate seats. I know that Nevada is not the only state with "unbound" delegates too. This is not over folks.
I support Governor Mike Huckabee for President.
has not been able to pull 20% outside of the south save Iowa.
If you think he has anything above snowball good luck.
If he thinks he does it is one more reason, among many, that he is unfit for any office.
Romney delegates from one precinct in Nevada are represenative of Romney delegates from all over the country? I don't think so.
I know many Romney supporters rank McCain over Huckabee. Romney was my choice after Rudy dropped out, but now I'm with McCain.
Huckabee is a non-factor at this point. As someone else mentioned, with Romney leaving, Huck is no longer relevant.
Huck would have to get 80% of each and every state remaining in order to win the nomination, whereas McCain only has to get 40%. The odds of McCain getting in are MUCH better then Huck, who basically doesn't stand a chance. Don't forget Huck favorable states are over. Odds are Kansas will go to McCain, or even look for Romney (who after all didn't drop out only suspended so his name is still on the ballot) to get some numbers.
People are pissed at Huck for staying in. Basically only Huck people like Huck. Everyone else has gotten over it, or in my case is on their way to getting over it.
like a done deal. McCain is our guy like it or not. Most conservatives will vote for him if for no other reason than the fear of what they might get if he loses. They won't like it but they will vote for him unless they are willing to take the route of letting the Democrats mess up the country big time so the voters will want a Republican in the White House in 2012. The big question is who will give the ticket the biggest boost? I tend to think that Rudy might be the guy. On most issues he is in agreement with McCain and he has the national exposure and the credentials to pull in the swing voters....
"Rudy might be the guy. On most issues he is in agreement with McCain and he has the national exposure and the credentials to pull in the swing voters"
and leave SoCons and the entire south that Huckabee won this week sucking eggs....That's really a good idea....we should go with that!
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Look for Rudy in the administration, but not as VP. I suspect Rudy as Attorney General or maybe Homeland Security. Rudy is to liberal on issues where McCain has some liberal tendencies to please the base. I think it's looking more and more like a McCain Romney ticket. Romney got a major "in" with CPAC yesterday. After his speech they told him they accepted him and he was officially "in" with them. Picture someone getting in with the "in crowd" in high school. A pick of Romney would instantly secure the CPAC support behind McCain, as well as some younger looking blood in the race. While Romney is still 60 he doesn't look his age, he looks more like he's in his early 50's if not late 40's. Romney's image gives a strong contrast to McCain's older, tough exterior.
I sum it up like this...Romney's the guy you want to go out and hug, McCain's the old guy in line in front of you at the supermarket paying with 10 million coupons that you just want to smack.
an idea as to what Huckabee's strength is vis a vis McCain in what would presumably be an evangelical stronghold,like Iowa.
The caucuses pick 12 delegates within Kansas' CDs, WTA within CD, and 27 delegates to the candidate who gets the most votes overall. One could win everything, less likely it could be split. McCain has Brownback's endorsement, Huck has his halo, no telling who will win.
Another good contest between McCain & Huck is Virginia primary next Tuesday, basically a rematch of the South Carolina primary which McCain narrowly won in a more crowded field....McCain has endorsements from Warner, Allen, etc, and a pretty good rganization, Huck has the evangelicals. McCain has momentum, Huck did very well in the Southern states on Super Tuesday.
McCain is going to win easy here. He'll have Northern Virginia to himself, most of Tidewater is Navy town, and he'll split with Huckabee everywhere else. It'll be no contest.
There are only a couple states left where Huckabee has a chance at a win - Kansas, Mississippi, maybe Louisiana. Even if Huckabee wins Kansas, that won't mean anything.
Texas with 174 delegates is a good state for him as well...The age here about McCain heading u the ticket is palpable.
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is his 2nd amendment stance - very conservative, solidly so. I know he's not the consistent across the board person we hope for, however he is very strong on pro-life & 2nd amendment issues.
Dobson, not sure what's up with him. He's not been very effective this cycle. His attacks on Fred really had me & many others questioning his motives.
Who should McCain pick for VP? I like Barbour, Fred, & some others I'm not thinking of right now. I fear he would pick Lindsey Graham or someone like that. Rudy could be good, but the template of "hatchet man" has, I'm sure, already been written.
Dobson is a creep and a sadist. I think Huckabee is such a better person than he is. I don't blame him for accepting the endorsement, such as it is - but I like him better without Dobson. And the fact that he doesn't like McCain just makes me like him more.
Not if you have read any of his books on raising children it's not. I'm no liberal or softie where it comes to dealing with kids, but that guy's just plain nasty. I have NO use for him.
I read all of his books on parenting...used quite a bit of it...and my kids have turned out pretty well if I do say so myself. Politically involved, 2 done with college, 2 more in college, well-behaved, respectful of authority, and understanding of all that has made this country great.
Must've read different books.
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talk about too little too late!
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Dobson's comments throughout the process have pointed this way. The endorsement is unsurprising, if long in coming. But it's essentially been there but unspoken from the beginning.
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or any other preacher, you have problems. Problems separating the world from the spirit. Problems with being a blind follower, and problems with wisdom.
I hope all the evangelicals are happy with Clinton, or in the unlikely event of his winning, McCain. They helped to create this situation by voting for a another populist snake oil salesman from Arkansas.
The bible tells Christians to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Not mean as a snake and dumb as a rock.
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I am an evangelical Christian and have been for over 60 years.
Basically James Dobson is a good man and has done wonderful things in the field of child care and development.His foray into politics has created controversy and his being an evangelical automatically arouses a certain amount of bigotry against him by anti-Christian bigots.
Having said that permit me to continue.
I don't question Dobson's sincerity or motives but his judgment in endorsing Huckabee. Mike Huckabee is a charlatan and a disgrace to sane evangelicals. He is disingenuous, to say the least, and reeks of snake oil. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and using the con with each breath he breathes
IMHO this guy would say or do anything to advance his personal agenda and ego. I would not trust him in a shuck pin with a muzzle on.
I am not surprised at many evangelicals falling in line with this latest Elmer Gantry, because all you have to do is look at evangelicalism's history and you see the sheep doing this time and time again. Aimee Semple McPherson, Oral Roberts, Jim Baker, Pat Robertson, to name a few.
There are many sane and good evangelicals out there who can think and do think. We are not all dupes following the latest clarion sound coming from some egomaniacal phony seeking to be the latest Messiah.
I have no Idea what you are talking about. I don't think most people are blindly following Huck. He's not inspiring the hysteria that Obama is. My LDS friends were more messianic over Mitt's prospects than my Evangelical friends were over Huck. Many of the Evangelicals preferred Fred, and / Or McCain. Maybe I just don't live in the right area of the country. Plus, I don't see the whole fakey ness you refer to, that I saw in all of the other Evangelicals you mentioned. As far as prominent Evangelicals go, I think I'd trust Huck the most.
And this became eveident from the Utah results. It is considered to be one of many of Mitt's "home" states, but only because of religion. Huck has nowhere near won the evangelical vote compared to Mitt in Utah.
I support Governor Mike Huckabee for President.
There are a lot of non Mormons in Utah. And of course if he is in the race, people will pick him not necessarily for religion, though their religions may dovetail.
Though leave it to a Huckabee supporter to project that kind of interpretation into it.
Even Alan Keyes got 5% of the Utah vote, where he got less than 1% elsewhere. Utah is good to conservatives.
I think what is really telling is how great the evangelical support is for the Huckleberry in the South. THAT'S MESSIANIC.
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Are those the same LDS friends that your buddy the Huckleberry claims are NOT CHRISTIAN?
The ones that the Huckster wants to ask out loud in a political context, if they believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?
And then says, he doesn't know the answer, he's just asking, even though he spoke at a Baptist convention in Salt Lake many years ago, during which pamphlets were passed out emphasizing that very notion?
Ah, I see. You of course wouldn't be at all messianic about such a man. Would you?
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too many sour notes. The deceptive push-polling against Fred in South Carolina reveals his true nature. The fact that the calls didn't come directly from his campaign is not relevant. The calls would not have been made without some sort of tacit endorsement from his campaign.
I also didn't care for his explanation of why he left the pulpit for politics, that he thought God wanted him to do something that could make a difference.
I think he's sincere on the life issues, but I don't trust him in general.
You can't afford the price of free corn.
"The fact that the calls didn't come directly from his campaign is not relevant. The calls would not have been made without some sort of tacit endorsement from his campaign."
Do you have any facts or reasoning to support this assumption?
the campaign coordinated the calls.
The bigger deal to me was that they said they couldn't stop them. If Huckabee can't deal with supporters who are over the top, how is he going to deal with Iran. Or Harry Reid.
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If Rudy did the Bush in 1980 dance-accepting a pro-life stance as part of joining the ticket, I think it would bring along a lot of the social conservatives. Rudy brings the economic conservatives.
Talk radio is not going to attack McCain for picking Rudy. Rush and Hannity both like Rudy.
With a 72 year old candidate in wartime, the VP nominee must be seen as someone who can become president on day one.
This requirement is now more than 30 years old. Mondale in 76, Bush in 80, Gore in 92, Cheney in 2000-picking a "presidential" VP nominee is the standard. Ferraro and Quayle caused their tickets grief.
That's why Rudy, Fred, and Gramm might make a shortlist, and Huckabee won't.
And again, a Rudy who accepted a pro-life position as part of supporting a McCain Administration would bring some though not all social conservatives into his corner.
Especially if McCain wins Kansas. If McCain loses Kansas, Huckabee starts looking better, especially if CLinton is the nominee. If it is Obama, I'd expect Brownback. This is because if Obama is the nominee, it helps to have someone from the Senate to go negative on Obama.
Another possibility is JC Watts, or Mel Martinez.
I never found it that much fun. And now, its downright tedious. I am no more Republican.
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If Ron Paul and Rudy G. can find a home in the Republican Party, surely you can find a comfy spot in the tent.
Don’t let one election sour you. You want the Republican Party to be different, change your local politics first. Become a precinct committee member.
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That's not constructive.
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incoherent and off his rocker. sad
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of making sure everyone knows how irrelevant he's become. He does a great service in his principle ministry, but his second job as would-be king-maker has turned out about as well as Gore's attempt to become a teacher of the macarena.
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