Giuliani Unleashes The Dog; Sadly It's A Poodle
and no, rudybots, this is not a hit piece on your guy...so take a deep breath
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Rudy Giuliani got what was considered at the time a fairly significant endorsement from Texas Governor Rick Perry back in October. There was the general buzz of hushed excitement which suggested, essentially, "so goes the Rickmeister so goes Texas." To that point, we shall see...we shall see.
But Pretty boy Rick was just warming up. Now that he's Rudy's official 'secretary, errand boy, chief cook, bottle washer, and water carrier' in the name of my beloved Lone Star State the Governor is using salary dollars I pay him to run on up to Iowa to be Rudy's toothless pit bull as well. Check that last...I should have said coiffed little toy poodle.
You know, what I think bothers me most about this story is the level of audacity on the part of Mr. Perry (whom I did NOT vote for) to pimp his guy on the back of the sitting President (who Giuliani has continued to talk nice about) and at the same time trash the man who was once his boss and co-conspirator when Bush was Texas Governor.
Look-President Bush will not go down in history as a fiscal Conservative. Nor will his legacy ever indict him for being very good at getting along with the opposition party, but really now-Perry is none of the things he suggests Bush is NOT.
I mean, consider this little morsel:
below the fold, of course...
Texas Gov. Rick Perry aired unusually pointed criticism of President Bush while stumping in Iowa for Rudy Giuliani for president last week. Perry predicted too that if Democrats prevail next year, the war on terrorism will return to U.S. soil.
Video posted online shows Perry saying that Bush failed to rein in spending increases as governor of Texas and "has never ever been a fiscal conservative." He also said Washington isn't working.
Known for his deep intellect and thoughtful reflection, ThePerry™ wisdom continues...
Framing his case for Giuliani, Perry said that as mayor of New York, Giuliani erased debts, cut taxes and presided over reductions in crime.
The governor suggested that steering New York is more of a challenge than leading Arkansas or Massachusetts, where GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney was governor from 2003 through 2006.
"No offense to Arkansas, no offense to Massachusetts; they're not big states," Perry said. "And managing one of those states is different than managing Texas or California or Florida or New York."
Umm, poli-sci may not be my strong point, but I think Mayors run cities not states, and I think running Arkansas (the state...not the city) and running Massachusetts (the state...not the city) is likely every bit as daunting and difficult and complicated as anything Rudy did for New York (the city...not the state).
I can almost hear that elevator mood-music playing in this man's head. See, Rick is kinda like an arm-trophy Governor. Nice to look at and all...but the elevator don't go all the way to the top floor-know what I mean?
Seems Giuliani might not fully appreciate what he got for that endorsement either. Given Rick's fluctuating sense of loyalty and all, consider his Huckabee conundrum:
Perry, who like Huckabee but unlike Giuliani has opposed abortion and gay rights, said in Iowa that Huckabee "asked me to be his national chairman about six months ago. And I told him, man, I love you like a brother. But, I said, just let me, let me, let me slide here."
Perry and Huckabee visited troops in Iraq together in early 2006. Huckabee also visited Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and state Comptroller Susan Combs in Austin in July.
In Austin on Tuesday, Perry briefly called Huckabee his favorite for president before saying he'd misspoken and supports Giuliani.
In Iowa, Perry said of Huckabee: "I just don't think he can win."
There's a budding country song in here somewhere...[trailing off now]
Man, I love you like a brother
But, just let me, let me, let me slide here
Phew...don't THAT make me proud of my Governor...
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haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
New York is also the name of a city?
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
He may be the worst Republican governor in the history of Texas. Most Republicans here do not like him! An endorsement from Perry should be considered a liability, not an asset. Fred Thompson is the candidate that Republicans in Texas support.
He's got really good hair.
Some of Rick's brighter moments:
HPV Vaccinations - Implemented by Executive order. Struck down by popular demand. had nothing to do with Merck's contributions to his the state's welfare
Architect of the Trans-Texas Toll Road - In which we compete with New Jersey for the stupidest transportation system in America.
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
My excuse is that I lived in Virginia for 10 years, and I got to miss some of the Perry-itis. Now that I'm back, whooo, baby, it's time for a change.
And as a Rudy supporter, I get a two-fer: Perry out of Texas, and campaign support for Rudy.
However, I'm not sure what Rudy is getting. True, he gets assistance from Perry. But as the saying goes, you get what we pay for. :>)
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
I'm a Texan. I'm a conservative. I'm a Republican. I can *NOT* stand "Pretty Boy Rick Perry". This guy couldn't even run a hair salon if he tried ...
MOlsen6
Proud supporter of McCain '00 and McCain '08
I don't know what happens during campaign season but it really brings out the worst in people. It was written by a member of the media so in some ways I wasn't surprised.
Unfortunately, the intense hatchet jobs going on against our own candidates on this site are frankly nothing short of obscene.
Since September I have soured significantly on this site because most of you, while condemning the actions of the MSM, wind up usually no better.
This piece is a perfect example. Perry made a mistake during a speech. I suppose no one here has ever referred to anything inaccurately. New York City is the nineteenth largest economy in the WORLD. It is plenty big and frankly I believe bigger than Arkansas, and frankly who cares. I doubt there are very few people that are voting for Rudy because Rick Perry has endorsed him. What is this? Is it Perry's time to take a few sharp knives from folks here? I believe that Perry has done a plenty good job as Governor of Texas and despite your cynical and condescending attitude towards him, his endorsement is a net win.
What exactly is the purpose of this post exactly? Is it to point out that Perry, a human being, made a mistake? Are we now that cynical and high and mighty? Everytime someone makes any sort of an error during any speech we pounce on it, hyperanalyze it, and snicker at the person that makes the mistake in some sort of cynical attempt to try and demean the candidate that is ultimately associated with the statement, no matter how loosely.
Is this really the level of the discourse here?
Always tell the truth, George; it's the easiest thing to remember.
Mike Volpe are you from Texas? If you aren't, you are excused for your ignorance. If you are from Texas, and you think this dude has done anything resembling a decent job, then I am very sorry. Taxing strip clubs to pay for education? Come on ... did you read ANY of the comptroller's press releases that on a dialy basis pointed out that Rick Perry was an idiot? And yes, the comptroller was a REPUBLICAN.
MOlsen6
Proud supporter of McCain '00 and McCain '08
I have seen his approval ratings. I am sick and tired of folks using anecdotal evidence as anything of relevance. You don't like Perry. Good for you. The approval ratings, which speak for themselves, are scientific. That, frankly, is not the point. Whether or not Perry has or hasn't done a good job is not relevant at all. What is being done here is quite similar to the piece I analyzed. Haystack is trying guilt by association. Perry is bad so that must make Rudy bad. It is despicable and I am sick of it. It is happening to just about every single candidate and it is obscene. This particular piece is one of the worst examples of some of the gutter discourse that I have found on this site since September and a great example of why I have soured on it since then.
Always tell the truth, George; it's the easiest thing to remember.
OK Mike, I undestand where you are coming from. I don't dislike Rudy. I like McCain better, but Rudy did a good job running NYCity, and is clearly qualified. That being said, he does not have a right to be the GOP nominee, but that is what the primary is for. They will duke it out, and may the best man win.
However, who somebody picks as a surrogate to campaign for them does say something about their judgement. I despise Rick Perry. Maybe rightly, maybe wrongly. None the less, this does inform me about what a Rudy cabinet might look like. After the Kerik incident, which I am willing to overlook, this is not a promising selection.
MOlsen6
Proud supporter of McCain '00 and McCain '08
If you read the subtitle to this piece, I specifically point out that this is not a hit piece on Rudy. Assuming you missed that part, I also clearly stated that, while Perry is trashing Bush, Giuliani continues to talk nice and be supportive of the President. There is nothing anywhere in this piece-directly or by innuendo-that reflects negatively on Giuliani. We all get how hurt you are whenever anything bad is said about a candidate...that we should just run around with fluff pieces, picking daisies and holding hands and singing about what's good in the world while we are being asked to throw down real cash to elect a guy that we'll all have to live with.
Third time-this is not a negative piece on Giuliani. You need that by certified letter?
If there is any innuendo in here at all, it's that Rudy could have done FAR better than Perry for his Texas campaign needs...FAR better-your scientific data about approval ratings for MY Governor notwithstanding, of course.
Lighten up Mike-this campaign has brought out the worst in everyone...including you...primary politics, especially within a fractured and bruised GOP post-06 is a full contact blood sport.
If you can't see that, come to Texas in March and revel in the beauty of our wildflowers...and stay out of this mess until everyone is kissing and making up and playing nice again...mkay?
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
just because you point it out, doesn't make it any less of a hit piece.
In sales, I use a common technique. I say I don't mean to be crude for instance, and the next words out of my mouth are quite crude. By saying I don't mean to be crude, it turns those crude words into something much more mild.
I was born at night but it wasn't last night. I know a hit piece when I read one and this is a hit piece. Clearly, you are trying to demean Rudy since you make sure and mention that Rudy sent out Perry to help and now you think you have shown how he is hurting even though that is in your mind only.
Again, just because you say over and over it isn't a hit piece on Rudy doesn't actually make it so. I am reminded of Shakespeare.
Why should I lighten up? I used to like this site and now it is almost entirely nothing more than the worst gutter commentary you can find on the net. The worst part is that most of the commentary is directed at Republicans.
If Redstate is to be believed if anyone besides Fred Thompson is chosen, the party is finished. Rudy is no better than Hillary. Huckabee is a fraud, a liar, and a socialist, with a history of malfeasance that should send him to jail.
McCain maybe a hero however he should also be condemned because he dared to buck the party on issues that you find important.
Who else?
This campaign may have brought out the worst in you, but not me. Find where I trash someone. I don't trash people. I have criticized people however I don't do it in your slick manner in which I claim to not be criticizing them, and then trash someone associated with them, and then point out again that I am not criticizing them.
The only candidate I have even criticized is Thompson himself. I pointed out his lack of accomplishments, and then attributed some things to Dick Morris, and for that I was banned for a time. You, on the other hand, can write a ridiculous hit piece against Rudy, using Perry as his proxy, and then make the even more ridiculous claim that you aren't writing a hit piece against Rudy.
That is the definition of a hit piece. You are no better than the author in the piece I referenced, who tried to condemn Rudy by associating him with a law firm that he then tried to make controversial, because, this will shock you, they had some clients that were controversial.
Always tell the truth, George; it's the easiest thing to remember.
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
Perry. What a moron. This guy makes a living out of giving good Republicans a bad name. We had a great governor in G.W. Bush, and then he got promoted. Good for him, and I voted for him twice. But what did we get left with? An imbecile.
MOlsen6
Proud supporter of McCain '00 and McCain '08
OK, you're right, it was a safe vote, but if I'm protesting Mr Helmet-head, I'm gonna write in 'Daffy Duck' or the like. But to vote for Kinky??????
Bad haystack! Bad haystack!
Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie
I voted for Kinky as well. Just couldn't stand Perry, and I couldn't vote for Strayhorn after I found out the Scott McClellan connection.
But it was a safe protest vote - no way was the D winning. In fact, a few months before the election he was coming in fourth.
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
I don't know what happens during campaign season but it really brings out the worst in people. A couple months back I wrote this analysis of a hatchet job on Rudy that masqueraded as some sort of political analysis It was written by a member of the media so in some ways I wasn't surprised.
Unfortunately, the intense hatchet jobs going on against our own candidates on this site are frankly nothing short of obscene.
Since September I have soured significantly on this site because most of you, while condemning the actions of the MSM, wind up usually no better.
This piece is a perfect example. Perry made a mistake during a speech. I suppose no one here has ever referred to anything inaccurately. New York City is the nineteenth largest economy in the WORLD. It is plenty big and frankly I believe bigger than Arkansas, and frankly who cares. I doubt there are very few people that are voting for Rudy because Rick Perry has endorsed him. What is this? Is it Perry's time to take a few sharp knives from folks here? I believe that Perry has done a plenty good job as Governor of Texas and despite your cynical and condescending attitude towards him, his endorsement is a net win.
What exactly is the purpose of this post exactly? Is it to point out that Perry, a human being, made a mistake? Are we now that cynical and high and mighty? Everytime someone makes any sort of an error during any speech we pounce on it, hyperanalyze it, and snicker at the person that makes the mistake in some sort of cynical attempt to try and demean the candidate that is ultimately associated with the statement, no matter how loosely.
Always tell the truth, George; it's the easiest thing to remember.
This is a richly deserved -- much more than over a slip of the tongue -- shot at Perry. Your bot sensors didn't need to go into overdrive.
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I guess I am the only human here because I have made the sort of mistake that Perry made many times. I think his point was that New York City is significantly larger than any of the other places that others have governed which they are.
Frankly, who cares? Perry made a slip of the tongue and now it needs to be hyperanalyzed. While it is being hyperanalyzed, we are told over and over that this isn't a hit piece on Rudy, even though Rudy is associated with Perry what five times in the piece.
My bot doesn't go up. I know a hit piece when I read one. Hit pieces are an example of Res Ipsa Loquitur. They speak for themselves. There is absolutely nothing of any value or substance in the entire piece. The one I referenced is no different. Rudy is mentioned several times and associated with Perry. Then, Perry is mocked and condemned for a slippage of the tongue. That is a hit piece.
Always tell the truth, George; it's the easiest thing to remember.
this is a regular RedStater (and Giuliani fan) saying, 'take a chill pill'.
I don't know what polls you are reading, but in Texas Perry is just a stuffed shirt and everybody here knows it.
It was an ill-advised move by the Giuliani campaign.
Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie
Am I not allowed on here any more to speak my mind? I understand everything now. This all makes sense to me. I have other things I need to do anyway.
Always tell the truth, George; it's the easiest thing to remember.
Also a non-fan of Perry. But I did vote for him--as the only (nominally) pro-life candidate in the race.
Gosh, the Dems really lost an opportunity in '06. If they had ran one of their '02 "Dream Team" they may have picked up the Governor's mansion, and maybe some more legislative seats.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
No, I beg to differ on that. In today's highly polarized political climate, Texas (in a statewide sense, Peoples Republic of Austin notwithstanding) is and remains as firmly Republican as it gets. The Republicans could run a ham sandwich against the Democrat 'Dream Team' and the Republican would win.
How do I know? Because Perry is a big doofus and a known jerk (actually WORSE than a ham sandwich), and he won in a landslide.
Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie
Perry - 39.0%
Bell - 29.8%
Strayhorn - 18.1%
Friedman - 12.4%
Hard to call 'not cracking 40%' a landslide.
39-30 is pretty much domination. I would feel differently if the Texas Grandma was a Dem (thereby taking votes away from Bell), but all of her 18% were Republicans. This was a 60-40 race, with a couple of proxies who sucked votes from both Rep and Dem.
So quibble with my 'landslide' note if you want, although I don't agree. My larger point is that in no universe does a Democrat get elected governor in Texas, from 1994 to 2050. No chance. Not ever.
Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie
One of the interesting things to me, though, was that the Republican side lose about 100k votes from 2002 to 2006. The Democratic side gained about 50k, an unknown percentage of which were protest votes. And the traditional minor party candidates like the Libertarian, Patriot, lost about 50k. I'm guessing most of those were protest votes that went to Kinky instead.
So in my admittedly not very scientific analysis, almost all of the lower turnout from 2006 came from Republicans not showing up, and the "independent" candidates didn't really figure into that. If anything, they probably brought in some non-traditional voters masking things.
And that is an issue. Because I don't see any of the Republican presidential field who's exciting all the base. Huckabee, Giuliani, McCain all excite part of it and horrify part of it. Romney has serious trust issues, and Thompson, as much as I'd like him to win, hasn't caught on fire yet. I still have hope though.
So I feel like Cassandra, prophesying doom, just like I felt before the 2006 elections. And no one seems to listen.
imho is larger than this POTUS business. We the people are just fed up with the lot of 'em.
Sure, there are we die hards in places like this, but by and large, voters in general are just sick and tired of the nonsense, and the bases from BOTH sides have seen that whomever we bother to vote for...they never do what they promised when they kissed our butts with both hands on our wallets.
We've been here before, but turnout in general is going to be every bit as low as we're seeing in state and locals since 2002...again, unscientific-just going by a frail and fading memory, not any scientific research. I know turnout numbers were decent for Bush/Kerry, but we're all sicker and tired-er now than we were then.
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
skey,
These are totally different issues. Nobody seriously considered that anybody other than "Pretty-boy" Perry would win. We knew better. If there was even a hint of a doubt, something would have changed. Now when it comes time for the Presidential election, you can bet that Texas is going to be deep, deep, red, especially if the Dems run Hillary. If Alf were the GOP nominee, he would still win Texas even though he is an alien. Take my county, for example in 2004. Randall County: Bush 83.40%, Kerry 16.15%. There were roughly 49,000 votes in the county. All primary wounds appear fatal. They aren't. Don't worry, Texas will be red. We just need to worry about OH, MO, VA, PA ... etc..
MOlsen6
Proud supporter of McCain '00 and McCain '08
as well and i loved that piece, haystack...
to mike volpe: trust me...learn from my mistakes...take a nap and come back tomorrow...you'll see things a little clearer...
janet ney
www.californiaforthompson.com
haystack's 12th:
Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).
Earthily,
Is the screwing you're getting worth the screwing you're getting?
We may have more illustrations of same in '08
Nice job there haystack. I really liked the ad where the dps guys pulled over the suburban and zoolander is like "Do you know who I am!?". Es Classico! What a turd burglar.
Franz and I might get mad...and that wouldn't be pretty.
Clyde the Conservative Terrier
ARF!