God Bless Iowa

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Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance have not invited Ron Paul to their candidate debate on June 30th. Thank God!

Mr. Cindy Sheehan a/k/a Lew Rockwell is upset.

Consider this an open thread.


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Why are you thanking God that the free exchange of ideas has been squashed? Is this not one of the freedoms that makes our country great, that fact that unpopular speech is protected by our First Amendment? The First Amendment exists for people like Ron Paul.

My guess is Ron Paul would rather his supporters READ the First Amendment, and not apply it to private organizations.

Run like Reagan!

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

that the First Amendment does not apply to private organizations. My point is that the reason we have a First Amendment is to protect unpopular speech because the free exchange of ideas is vital to a thriving society. By excluding Paul specifically, they are stepping on those ideals, constitutionally or not.

between "unpopular speech" and "self beclowning."

Iowa is simply refusing to be a forum for the latter.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

The reason we have the first amendment is to allow without GOVERNMENT intrusion the free exchange of political ideas by all who chose to participate. And if a group of Iowa Republicans decides that Ron Paul's cut-and-run speechifying is inappropriate for their forum, who are you to say that it's against American ideals for them to make that choice?

You almost have to be a lefty backer of Paul. No genuine libertarian would turn freedom on its head as you have here.

Run like Reagan!

Erick, how about the other ... ahem... less-than-relevant candidates? Tommy Thompson? Gilmore? It'd be great to see it narrowed down by at least three candidates, I say.

Do you have a link?

Present will be Messrs. Romney, Brownback, Gilmore, Huckabee, T. Thompson, and Tancredo.

Without Giuliani, McCain and Fred Thompson it isn't much of a debate. They are the top three in the polls. This is shaping up to be an 'also-ran' debate. Maybe Paul is better off not participating.

Not sure what he would gain except maybe he would lose some support among the organizers.

I live in Iowa, and while Ron Paul is what he is. The best way to show that is to allow his ideas to shown to the world, not inviting him just stinks of partisanship.

My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.

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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...

-John Locke

Let's not throw Ron under the bus here like the kook fringe of the Democrat party did to Lieberman. Whatever you think about his position on the war, he is a true believer, and not an opportunist like Harry Reid. On domestic issues, there may not be anyone better. I'm not supporting him in the primary, but I don't dislike him either.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

Bloomberg Leaving GOP

CBS 2 HD has learned New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is leaving the Republican party and has announced he is currently unaffiliated with a political party.

In a statement, Bloomberg said:

"I have filed papers with the New York City Board of Elections to change my status as a voter and register as unaffiliated with any political party. Although my plans for the future haven�t changed, I believe this brings my affiliation into alignment with how I have led and will continue to lead our City.

�A nonpartisan approach has worked wonders in New York: we�ve balanced budgets, grown our economy, improved public health, reformed the school system and made the nation�s safest city even safer.

�We have achieved real progress by overcoming the partisanship that too often puts narrow interests above the common good. As a political independent, I will continue to work with those in all political parties to find common ground, to put partisanship aside and to achieve real solutions to the challenges we face.

�Any successful elected executive knows that real results are more important than partisan battles and that good ideas should take precedence over rigid adherence to any particular political ideology. Working together, there�s no limit to what we can do.�

Looks like the mayor is looking at running as an independent!

Founder and contributor to The Minority Report and Senior writer for The Hinzsight Report

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

The government is not keeping Ron Paul from speaking. He can still stand on the street corner and speak and pass out flyers all day long. A private group has made a determination that they will not extend him an invitation to speak, because his ideas and positions do not have a large following. It's not that the guy is inconsequential, he is a Congressman, but he has virtually no ability to influence the debate. He is sincere and passionate about his positions, but that doesn't mean he gets to be invited.

"The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts."

To celebrate the exclusion from the debate of an important and articulate voice, like Ron Paul, shows that all the talk about the Republican Party being a "big tent" is a total sham. If you are a libertarian, like Rep. Paul, there is clearly no place for you in today's GOP. This is incredibly sad and ironic since Ron Paul articulates traditional Republican values, like limited government, better than anyone else in the presidential race.

Those who would exclude Ron Paul obviously fear his ideas.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

- Barry M. Goldwater, 1964

He should be excluded because he has zero chance to win, and someone who has zero chance shouldn't be taking up time in a national debate. They need to start axing the rest of the dead weight at the same time. Start with Tancredo.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

5 candidates on stage is plenty

Founder and contributor to The Minority Report and Senior writer for The Hinzsight Report

Those who would exclude Ron Paul obviously fear his ideas.

Believe it or not there are a lot of very good reasons to exclude Paul that have nothing to do with fear. Trust me.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Fear he will be a disaster.
Fear that we will see DOW 1000 again.
Fear he will trigger a boom market in firearms, canned goods and bottled water.
ETC.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

who is running for President who has actually RECEIVED votes for President! Over 430,000 in 1988!

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

is like a dogwhistle for kooks!

After the 1st debate there was a mob of them. Defenders of the faith every last one.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

You compare him to Cindy Sheehan? Maybe in your circle of friends you're all Bible-riding flag-waving Bush lovers, but I can tell you from where I stand you're very quickly becoming a minority in the repub party, it's over. the war is over, just bring them home.

To keep the debate on the real topic, you can call Ron Paul another Cindy Sheehan all you want, to your dismay madam. There was no need to go to Afghanistan, there was no need to go to Iraq, 9-11 was an immigration failure, NOT an intelligence failure. It was wrong for us, and the gov't, to expect our intelligence community to stay on top of terrorists who walk freely among a population of at least 20 million illegals. If Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 had concentrated on law enforcement and border security the terrorists could not have been here to kill 3000 people. Ron Paul is right, if we bring our troops home and stop invading foreign nations, we can be isolated and free the way it should be. I don't give a damn what happens to the Iraqis, the Jews, the Palestinians, in Darfur,Mexico,or anywhere else but here at home. Let the UN deal with it, that was the idea. I want freedom.

Watch me trample your First Amendment rights.

Blam.

P.S. If you're wondering "why meee?" the answer is hidden behind a link that exists on this screen.

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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...

-John Locke

Bible RIDING??????

The rest of your post is really stupid, but the subject line will live forever. I can't wait to use it. Heck, I can't wait to share it with my Pastor, he'll get a real kick out of it.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

the extreme left, extreme right extreme lunar vote!

Ron Paul Excluded in Iowa
Iowans for Tax Relief and Iowa Christian Alliance will host a presidential candidates forum on Saturday, June 30th in Des Moines. Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson, and Tom Tancredo will participate.

Ron Paul, however, will not participate. Why? Because he wasn’t invited.

We heard about this forum from numerous supporters in Iowa who asked why Dr. Paul was not going to participate. Those supporters assumed that Dr. Paul was invited.

The campaign office had not received an invitation so we called this morning; thinking we might have misplaced the invitation or simply overlooked it. Lew Moore, our campaign manager, called Mr. Edward Failor, an officer of Iowans for Tax Relief, to ask about it. To our shock, Mr. Failor told us Dr. Paul was not invited; he was not going to be invited; and he would not be allowed to participate. And when asked why, Mr. Failor refused to explain. The call ended.

Lew then called Mr. Steve Scheffler, president of the Iowa Christian Alliance, to talk with him. Mr. Scheffler did not answer so Lew left a message. He has yet to respond.

Why are the Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance excluding the one Republican candidate who scored at the top of every online poll taken after the MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN debates? Why are they denying Iowans the opportunity to hear from the Republican presidential candidate whose popularity is growing by the day?

We couldn’t get answers to these questions from Messrs. Failor and Scheffler. Maybe you’ll have better luck. Their contact information is below.

It's ironic that on the same day we learned the Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance excluded Dr. Paul from their candidates forum, we received a call from ABC News confirming Dr. Paul’s participation in its nationally broadcast August 5th debate to be held in Des Moines.

Kent Snyder, Chairman
Ron Paul 2008

Contact Information

Edward Failor
Iowans for Tax Relief
2610 Park Avenue
Muscatine, Iowa 52761
Phone: 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600
Fax: 563-264-2413
E-mail: itr@taxrelief.org
Web Site

Steve Scheffler, President
Iowa Christian Alliance
939 Office Park Road, Suite 115
West Des Moines, Iowa 50265
Phone: 515-225-1515
Fax: 515-225-1826
E-mail: slscheffler@iowachristian.com
Web Site

Courtesy and Courage, Sincerity and Self-control, Honor and Loyalty...a code to live by!

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

don't want someone who wants to abolish the IRS to speak at their forum? Curious. The two groups have every right to not invite Dr. Paul, but I think it's rather odd that someone who has been a consistent small-government Republican isn't being invited to these sort of events. Especially since Dr. Paul recently spoke at the National Taxpayer's Union Conference, which is not exactly a den of leftist thought.

Bzzzt!

First of all, Ron Paul may caucus with the Republicans, but he's no "Republican".

Secondly, Ron Paul is no role model candidate for POTUS. He's been in the Congress for 20+ years and has not one single accomplishment (save voting "no" enough times to be known as "Dr. No") in all those years. Basically he's deprived his district of representation and stolen his salary for 20 years.

If Iowans want a President who will actually do something, as opposed to one who will talk about stuff, they are absolutely right to not invite Ron Paul.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Medicare prescription bill pandering, more power to the Department of Education, tariffs, bridges to nowhere, erosion of the privacy rights, and the continued expansion of the size of scope of government in mandatory entitlement and discretionary spending in the federal budget. Given Dr. Paul's vote record on these types of things, this makes him closer to someone like Barry Goldwater, and I daresay this makes him a better Republican than most of the current crop in power (save for people like Jeff Flake).

I'm hoping Dr. Paul brings his record of "No" votes to the presidency. Grover Cleveland vetoed over 500 bills in his two terms as POTUS, and I would love to see the same level from Dr. No.

Depriving his district of representation by voting against unbalanced budgets, higher taxes, and loss of privacy rights? If only we had more in Congress who deprived their district the same way.

I mean to be in the debates at this point shouldn't you have at least 5% in the polls or maybe 3% ?

From polling report
Rg 20%
JM 16%
FT 15%
MR 7%
NG 3%
TT 3%
MH 2%
RP 2% // somebody is cooking this one

The rest don't rise above 1%. Its time to cull the herd.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

It's time to start paring down. These 30 second sound byte 10 candidate "debates" reveal pretty much nothing about the viability of a politician.

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite

A tax relief group is not inviting the most fiscally conservative candidate of the group? Sure Paul is a bit crazy, but I'd think his views on taxes would be music to the ears of this group.

 
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