GOP Debate Open Thread
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Here we go boys and girls. With the debate less than an hour away (it starts at 7 p.m.), here's your open thread.
I'll be adding some thoughts up here as the night progresses and also in the comments.
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Miscellaneous Debate Thoughts:
Rudy gets the best intro line with Huckabee coming in second.
Why does Brownback want a partitioning plan for Iraq when no one in Iraq wants one and Turkey would have real problems?
McCain is willing to own the war. His take on of Senator Clinton and Brownback's partition plan is well said.
It's 7:14 and 5 second and this already sucks. Booorrrriiinnnngggggg. Surely CNN can ask questions other than questions about the war. Wolf acts as if he expects them to reject the war.
7:14 and 50 seconds, Ron Paul is still a whack job.
I'll spare the front page with the rest of my updates and put them in the comments unless there is something big.
Oh, and it is 7:15 and 47 seconds and Ron Paul is still a whack job.
Another above the fold update at 7:21. It seems to me that Huckabee more and more is a first tier candidate and Brownback (sorry Leon) is less so. It also seems to me that Tancredo, Hunter, Paul, T. Thompson, and Gilmore can and should be shut out of these debates from here on out. They've had their chance and they fail to impress.
CNN, fire your cameraman. I don't want to see the candidates' backs when they are talking.
Well done to Mike Huckabee for his handling of the way out of line question on creationism. The questioner and Wolf Blitzer should both be flogged for bringing it up in a political forum. It's not relevant, inappropriate, and I don't recall the Democrats being asked such questions.
Apparently Mitt Romney is an anti-Mormon bigot. He said it was fair to ask about Mormonism, which according to Hugh makes anyone who holds that position an anti-Mormon bigot. Sigh. Oh well.
It's 8 o'clock and the questions really suck. They've sucked all night. It's not a Fox bias here. I don't much care for the network, but it seems clear that the Fox Debate has been much more relevant with better questions. No wonder the Democrats have run scared from Fox.
Oh, and Ron Paul actually makes sense on questions other than Iraq. But he's still nutty.
Is Tommy Thompson able to turn his head in either direction more than 20 degrees without turning his whole body? I don't think I've seen that happen yet. I still think he's afraid his jowls will come untucked from his collar.
Ron Paul is an irrelevant fool with his notion that our willingness to launch a pre-emptive war is the single biggest moral issue of our times.
Amazing how the questioner's question about what they'd do different from Bush became, according to Wolf, "what's the President's biggest mistake."
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I also will be doing a liveblog, from the campaign site.
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Any chance we can get some details on the Senators 3 state solution in Iraq?
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McCain/Tancredo fistfight to break out. I think the old man could still put up a good fight.
And Tommy Thompson comes out of the box insulting Fred Thompson.
Rudy Giuliani, out of the box, has the best intro. Huckabee comes in second with his crack about Hope, Arkansas.
non sequiter? that is called connecting to the voters
Hurrah, Ron Paul, candidate of the Constitution!
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John McCain was strong on the Iraq question taking on Clinton.
Presidents and politcal parties don't lose wars, nations lose wars.
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Huckabee 1st to mention Reagan. The Reagan over/under tonite is 37.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Are we ever going to get to domestic policy?
Did he just mistake Reagan's birthday? I thought that was in Feb.
Maybe he meant the day he died...that seems like right about now.
If I recall correctly, Reagan's birthday is February 6 and he died on June 5 (the day before the 60th anniversary if d-day).
Any coward can fight a battle when he's winning, but give me a man who has pluck to fight when he is losing.
Giuliani points out that this war "is not a bumper sticker."
Edwards is going to choke on that line.
The tactical Nuke question seems a bit more specific than what they hid the Dumbocrats with...or is that just me?
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Well, at least we're at immigration. Of course they go to Tancredo first. This is his *only* issue.
Romney v. McCain question. This should be good. I want fists thrown.
Today, the producers of The Price is Right declared that one of the top candidates they'd like to see replace legendary host Bob Barker is none other than Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney.
Watching Romney in the most recent debate, producers noted how well he flip flopped on important issues. Speaking to reports they said, "We can put those flip flops to use in flipping cards as the host of America's number one pricing game."
Tancredeo plays the culture card on the illegal immegration card, not the enforcement, not the security issue, not the tax issue, the we must keep "them"...in short from polluting our country.
Well that's out in the open now for all to see.
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McCain fight the good fight at least on the issue. He worked the deal, he stands behind the deal....He may be wrong, but he stands by his work. Good for him, would not vote for him, but speaks to his character.
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I totally respect him for holding firm on this and I'm more toward his position than against it, though I can't support this bill in its present form.
Hes going on about how great the immigration bill without saying anything and he is about to get mobbed
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Maybe I zoned out, but it seems like McCain, the immigration bill sponsor, is the guy to make the strong "national security" case for the immigration bill. But, he's dodging Romney's Z-Visa issue, which is the killer link in the bill for people like me who'd otherwise be inclined to support it.
McCain's "better idea" seems to have takers. I've got a better idea too -- scrap the Z-Visa loophole.
"If somebody has a better idea" How many times are they going to throw that one out? Those who have offered better ideas have been ignored or told they are racist.
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According to game show host contender and Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, we should scrap immigration reform and simply enforce the 1986 bill.
Well, I thought ol Mitt should do his homework and know what was in this new bill that wasn't in the 1986 bill because maybe he's too busy with one liners, bumper sticker slogans, coloring his hair, or brushing up on the rules of plinko.
1. The 1986 immigration reform bill had NO provisions for sercuring the border. This bill has 370 miles of fencing, 300 miles of vehicle barriers, 105 ground based radar and camera towers, and 4 unmanned aerial vehicles.
2. The 1986 bill called for doubling the border patrol but did not fund it. This bill creates 20,000 new border patrol agents with field and investigative units, ends "catch and release".
3. The 1986 bill said employers simply had to ask for documentation of citizenship but did not have to varify authenticity of the documentation and fines were only $200 to $2000. This new bill requires employers to electronically verify new hires and fines are increased to $5000 per illegal worker for the first offense, $10,000 per illegal for the second, and finally $25,000 per for the third.
Those are just three of the differences. It's crystal clear that Mitt Romney doesn't understand what the 1986 bill was or for that matter what is ACTUALLY in the new bill.
bill, but the '86 bill does make deportation the penalty for illegally entering the country. I know. I have represented a defendant, as their attorney, in a deportation proceeding.
But existing law requires that an 800 mile fence be erected as well.
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Enforce the law. To the point and it will be repeated.
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That's too easy. Washington has to earn their money writing thousands of pages w/ hundreds of loopholes. Keeps the racket going.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
sure, they may have better ideas but the important point is a better idea that will pass with 51 democrats and 49 republicans. it can't just be a bill that we love there has to be compromise...even if we don't like it
Hunter is good at getting in great talking points within the time frame.
but I had to chuckle at the look he gave McCain during John's second comments on the immigration bill. Priceless.
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Rudy has found some fly poop in the pepper and now he's outraged!
Yikes Rudy, your home city New York is a sanctuary city, at least be honest on this one like you have on abortion.
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why can't I break the law? oh yeah, I'll go to jail.
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Tommy Thompson creeps me out. That is all.
LOL !! I had the same feeling, assuming you mean his looks. Is it his haircut? Something serial-murdereresque about his look.
They actually need an obnoxious, loud buzzer in this debate. McCain seems intent on filibustering.
This time it's Tommy Thompson, though.
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We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Makes point of border security.
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I was beginning to see a hurricane of blowback from Paul supporters that he was being ignored.
BTW, question about Fred Thompson is a complete waste of time and unfair to the other candidates. He'll speak when he comes.
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hurricane of blowback from Paul supporters that he was being ignored
That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh.
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I work for a European Co. English is their official language, and it isn't even their native language. In fact, they speak it better than many of us.
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Or the presidency
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Gilmore on Thompson:
Gilmore tries to play the conservative, despite a cut and run from tough issues record, and claims not to know what Fred's record is. I think he might crap in his pants when he finds out how conservative Fred is.
Thompson is creepy,like Kucinich on the Dem. side.
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without (officially) being in the race.
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Thompson on Thompson:
Tommy says Fred should get in, only because it will confuse people and people might vote for Tommy.
Tommy tries to claim to be the conservative. He'll ignore the female issues.
This Bible question should be out of line. Mike Huckabee wins major kudos for his handling.
But made up for it later.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
No mortal can know the mind of God, so don't try and talk for him.
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Someone tell Wolf to shut up about evolution. The candidates should refuse to answer.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
of clarifying his earlier, perceived, "I don't believe in evolution" statement.
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When John McCain was justifying his support for the immigration bill. While he was talking, candidate Mitt Romney was seen shaking his head, rolling his eyes, and anxiously awaiting a chance to talk. This reminded me of Al Gore's misbehavior during his first debate with George W. Bush in 2000.
Tries to alienate Hucabee with secularists.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
What a foolish line of questioning this creationism stuff is. How is it relevant to Presidential policy?
Uh-oh, and now the Mormon question to Mitt. Wolf better watch out if Hugh Hewitt is in the audience. He might not make it out alive.
It's a CNN filibuster to run time off the clock.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Its not the federal governments business.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Not bad. Didn't mention Moroni. Guess he could have mentioned Steve Young.
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I'm going to say it and I may come to regret it, I'm not sure.
There is no way that I can ever or will ever vote for Mitt Romney for President.
He would make a great game show host but not a great President.
Enjoy yourself as you pull the lever for Ms. Broadbeam if Romney gets the nod.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Oh boy, a global warming question. The reporter looks uncomfortable. And it is a loaded question, "Is science *wrong* about global warming." Um, perhaps the scientists are wrong.
Why doesn't he submit a resume to exxon.
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Still stuck at work.
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their money. Invest in this that and the other thing.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
to my guy?
His answers on everything domestic is top notch and he hasn't said anything wrong or inaccurate on foreign policy....especially as it relates to energy. We subsidize oil at the expense of innovation and then spend money to secure the region where most of the oil comes from (can't deny it).
Perhaps a lack of subsidies and a open and free energy market would push us to newer ideas faster....actually not perhaps, WOULD. Thank god we never subsidized Coke. We wouldn't have Mountain Dew!!
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Its a compliment.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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Wow. McCain just came out against the oil companies making a profit. I don't remember him being decrying all their massive losses back in the nineties.
Great maybe my lawyer can do my plumbing.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Companies don't invest in new refineries because is doesn't make economic sense to do so. Too many regulations ect to justify the risk.
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how much profit they are worth and what they should do with it. John McCain can do the anti-capitalism jig.
We should tell our elected elite how much they are really worth.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Ron Paul gave a great answer on gays in the military.
His use of the simple straight guidance by the constitution is refreshing in a pandering world.
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You know Ron Paul makes sense when he isn't talking about Iraq or the War on Terror. Too bad those are two of the most important issues of our time.
There is nothing lonelier than being a black Republican in Boston, Massachusetts
On gays in the military he managed to demolish the philosophical underpinning of PC. Not a shabby answer.
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I disagree with his assessment of Iraq, but he's got great ideas. His platform reads just like Barry Goldwater's "The Conscience of a Conservative". Too bad he's a third tier guy. Hopefully he will give our candidates some libertarian and federalist influences.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Too bad the idea/constitutional guys are kind of kookie.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
will tear the Republican Party asunder.
What a joke.
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One point for humanity.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Anyone with more integrity than a used car salesman. McCain or Giuliani meet that standard, unlike Romney, who has done a 180 on just about everything, expressed deep conviction then, and opposite deep conviction now, and moving to the more politically advantageous side in each case. Coincidence? Give me a break.
Romney and Rudi "don't we have more important things to talk about".. smack down.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
These really aren't very good questions. I think Fox has done the best job.
Doesn't this thread already have nearly 300 comments.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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Why didn't they ask the Dems how they would put GW to work?
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
They only did it to backtrack ... Sunday night they asked all the Dems what they would do with Bill Clinton. RIDICULOUS. Of course Wolf didnt ask about Bill's "mistakes."
I guess Tom Tancredo doesn't like W at all.
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Um, didn't Romney go after General Pace a few months ago for defending "don't ask, don't tell"?
Hunter: scores big with a redirection. Pardon Campion and Ramos.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I think if I took a sip of my favorite libation each time he said that phrase I will not make it through the entire debate.
"We should scrap this “comprehensive” immigration bill and the whole debate until the government can show the American people that we have secured the borders -- or at least made great headway."
Fred Thompson
Rudy does a good job on the Scotter Libby case.
And Romney's answer seems a bit silly.
Sam Brownback handled that well.
Everyone has Fred's specter in the room.
McCain is really revealing that he is a spineless $*&#@.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Pardon for Libby?
Rudy is right, Romney is right, Fred is right, Sam is right, Huckabee is right, Tommy T. is right, Tancredo is right.
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Oh, happy happy joy joy.
The masses get to ask questions now.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I get the feeling it will just be other people asking wolfs questions
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
Blitzer wins prize so far (after first hour) for lamest questions ever. Unimportant issues, and intended to sensationalize and divide, with at least hint of political bias (e.g., people associate Republicans with big oil -- translation: Republicans = high gas prices)
Wolf Blitzer is good at hiding his bias by asking rhetorical questions and prefacing his questions with "Some people have objected to your position on....."
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
I wonder if Larry will get some more airtime tonite ? There is a clip of him complaining AC got more time on air.
BTW, Sen Cornyn posted a blog here a few min ago.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
It's a great opportunity to educate 3 million viewers.
Here's a short sample of what an informed candidate could say:
Big Oil is not gouging Americans. Exxon is the #5 biggest oil company in the world and owns less than 10% of the oil market. You can't manipulate prices when your control of any market is that little.
Here are some quick facts to put things in perspective. If you factor in inflation, gas is cheaper now than in the past, US and worldwide oil demand is at alltime highs and it has been over 20 years since a refinery has been built in the US. In fact, the US currently produces 8.8 million barrels per day(an alltime high) and refineries produce more gas per barrel than ever before. Finally, congress has requested over 30 investigations into price fixing over time. Not one has found price fixing.
Now, some facts that are holding back energy solutions in the US. Cuba is currently drilling for oil in places the US has been prohibited because of US offshore drilling laws, France has 76 nuclear energy facilities, the current government's promotion of ethanol is actually limiting some US oil production and is estimated to add 10 cents to every gallon of gas.
Allright ! Where's o'Reilly ? I do believe I'm ready to take on his "oil gouging" self !
Are they getting one minute to answer every question?
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Hunter does a great job answering the first question from the masses by starting off relating with his son's service and then saying "it's worth it."
He's got immigration, national security, trade policies in spades ! No one else has the qualifications he has for what the US faces in the next decade !
Unfortunately, the GOP has to win. However, he could make a great Cheney(without the big oil ties), part2.
Wow, the second question from the masses is quite good.
he connected with the audience and laid the stakes of battle out
Agree or disagree, that's McCain. He knows this war and he takes it very seriously.
BLITZER: "The next question is for you, Congressman Hunter. What if you wake up tomorrow and the number three was the number two and the number two was the number five? And what if all verbs were nouns and all adjectives were gerunds but not useable in clauses? If you were President, what would you do then?"
I can see why Rudy is leading tonight. He's doing great, though I think it is primarily because so much has played into the War on Terror. His response to the second question from the masses was quite well played.
shows why as a president he makes an excellent congressman.
War questions just bewilder him.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Oh that kicks ass! Rudy did that great about Petraeus coming back and saying things were going well.
Rudy banked HUGE looking at Blitzer asking if we will report the good news in Iraq as much as if things are bad in the Sept update.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Lol. "Considering that Bush lied, Republicans are corrupt, racist, and meanies, why should anyone support you for President?"
What liberal bias? lol
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Wolf is slicker than that. He would preface saying "Some people say Reps are corrupt...."
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Ha. Or he would say, "How would you respond to the statement..."
There is nothing lonelier than being a black Republican in Boston, Massachusetts
In case anyone hasn't noticed the country is in better shape vis a vis pollution than it has been in a hundred years.
Thats despite the ecofreaks.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Rudy is doing very well with these people generated questions.
Wahh ? Oh let me flush gasoline down the toilet.
Nobody makes money by being wasteful.
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Gilmore and others like him are talking?
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I'm glad he framed Democratic alternatives as "socialized medicine." I still don't plan on supporting him but I'm glad to see and agree with his ideas on other issues besides the War on Terror.
There is nothing lonelier than being a black Republican in Boston, Massachusetts
Joshua Williamson, the blogger question, must be a fool to think single-payer health insurance will save money.
We already have one big payer screwing up th system (medicare)
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I know what it is about Tommy Thompson. I think he should go to John Edwards hair stylist. Taxpayers wouldn't mind kicking in the $400 bucks.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
He needs to just let his jowls come untucked from his collar so he can turn his head more than 10% in either direction.
Least of all healthcare. But thanks for helping close a sale for me.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Oh, a philosophy professor. He wants to know about pressing moral issues.
This is one of the worst debates I've ever seen. Why is it that a lot of people consider Huckabee as emerging from the second tier, yet CNN asks him only two questions? Why do they ask him questions that are completely irrelevant to what he would be doing as President of the United States?
The mainstream media wants to dictate your choices to you. From what I've seen and what I've read, I like Huckabee. More people would like Huckabee if they could hear his message. I'd encourage all RedState readers to go to the "on the issues" portion of the Huckabee website. I've provided the link before. If the liberal media doesn't want you to know about this man, you may want to wonder why. Oh, and Ron Paul is still NUTS!
The link is:
http://www.explorehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_ID...
For all-around good guy. Just not for President.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
CNN is shooting themselves in the foot. Their idea of keeping Huckabee from emerging as a first tier candidate is going to backfire. I believe people are going to be curious as to why he isn't being allowed to speak. His answer on moral questions intended to divide are going to sit quite well with the evangelical base of the party.
CNN is shooting themselves in the foot. Their idea of keeping Huckabee from emerging as a first tier candidate is going to backfire. I believe people are going to be curious as to why he isn't being allowed to speak. His answer on moral questions intended to divide are going to sit quite well with the evangelical base of the party.
How bout a chatroom for events such as this? I think it'd be a good feature.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Decides to defend Iran and rules out pre-emptive war.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Good defense of life from Brownback.
Not everybody shares ALL those principles.
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My thoughts:
Huckabee's evolution/creation question was A+. Please, keep him in the debates.
Ron Paul is still a whackjob, indeed.
Romney is doing alright, but he got exposed on some flip-flops. Rudy is doing okay but that abortion lightning thing was hilarious(ly sad). McCain got beat up on immigration but defended it decently, I guess.
Fred Thompson still wins by not being there and getting his own interview on Hannity and Colmes.
The rest of the candidates should be tossed, with the exception of Huckabee and maybe Brownback.
Please he has been accused of flip flopping on everything.
Manages to dodge the why is he advertising in spanish. Not quite a flip flop, perhaps a twirl ?
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Romney was rattled by the Dem plant questioner on English as official language.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
The guy who asked the question "exclusively to Gov. Romney" is the definition of a tool.
Any more tools from CNN tonite and i'll be looking for the "tool time" girl to come across the stage.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Erick,
You're on a roll tonight! This debate is slightly boring and your jowl comment as well as this one have helped to lighten it up.
Thommy Thompson is creepy for sure...
And whats with this lets all stand up when we speak thing?
Hunter and Tancredo now have immigration as an issue...
Gilmore, and Brownback better come up with something quick
I just dont get the Ron Paul appeal?
spanish website and a total dodge. hilarious attempt to answer...totally flustered
did a pretty good job of answering the question he wanted to answer. A time-honored political ploy.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Bilingual countries don't work? Like Canada?
Quebec has that little matter of a secession movement going, and nationwide rules requiring the use of French to attempt to placate moderate pro-secessionists.
Do we want a California/southern Texas/Gadsden Purchase/Mexican Cession secessionist movement and nationwide requirements that all ads use spanish in the same size type as the english? That's what we'll get if we follow the Canadian model.
Run like Reagan!
They have their problems, but they work them out. Quebec got it's vote, peacefully, fairly and through democracy. That's a sign of a bilingual country that works out its bilingual issues. Now if bilingualism is what caused their healthcare disaster then you might have something.
I think McCain spoke well earlier about this wave of immigration. He understands American history and what's best for this country.
He's sort of a one-trick pony.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
I'm tired of McCain's great America powderpuff glossed over rhetoric. Give me specific plans.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
I would refer you to an immigration bill being bandied about, but I'm guessing you not too interested. He also has very specific criticisms and proposals for Iraq, GoT, and the state of the military. I would go so far as to proffer the idea that F Thompson isn't even in the same galaxy when it comes to substance. One can disagree with McCain, many do, but he's solid where he stands.
He's also a strong believer in volunteerism and building a better America in grassroots ways. Policies which I think would be and would have been HUGE for us post 9-11.
But, you are both right in a way. I don't have much hope for McCain breaking through. I'm a cynic, rarely does the right man get the job. But it pains me to think we've missed the chance.
Yeah, but it's only Quebec. Staff the rest of Canada with Frenchmen demanding French language and you have a crisis.
If our immigration problem was only California or Texas, it would be manageable.
I think Brownback has a tendency to be a big government Republican.
Clearly the cream of the crop tonight. Romney looks second tier and Huckabee as always is enjoyable.
Bush's biggest mistake? Trying to be friends with the Dems.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
professional spenders not amature spenders. Nice quote surprised it didn't get a better response.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
How about that answer on healthcare costs, producing drugs in the US and getting them cheaper across the border !
Now, Wolf doesn't give everyone answers that allow them to showoff their knowledge of how the US works; but it's no coincidence Hunter comes off as the sharpest elephant in CNN's circus either. Man, I wish he looked and talked like Romney.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
You can't get an instant amnesty for 5K
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Should be an interesting contrast.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
to catch a little of O'Reilly's show. He must just be running commercials tonight. Good idea to continue, though.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Rudy and Huckabee just did well on the immigration question contrasting Tancredo.
Likewise, McCain handled himself very well in countering Tancredo and saying what it was all about, not wanting hispanics in, which is what Tancredo's position boils down to.
Tancredo has been consistent on the border issue. There are many who agree with him, but that doesn't make such people anti hispanic. Lou Dobbs takes the same position as Tancredo, yet Dobbs is married to a hispanic.
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Hewitt wrongfully called Erick a bigot over and over, I would think our fuiture city councilman wouldn't engage in the same. Wanting a halt to immigration, a time out is certainly a justifiable position and has nothing to do with being anti-hispanic.
Gamecock DeVine in
The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
He's right that we need to do more assimilation; that we've quit doing so.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
McCain says "we are not going to erect barriers and fences" for this "shining city on a hill?" It ain't gonna be so shiny without a little upkeep ya know
very hopeful and uplifting
hopefully, they don't do that with illegal immigration. if trancredo doesnt get an occassional spotlight until the senate bill can be killed, it might make it through.
Romney and the stool are getting tired.
way to call out the moderate elephants, why they are and that you're not !
(and no, i do not have a poster of Hunter over my bed.)
D's couldnt even say islamic terrorism.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Gamecock DeVine in
The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Almost all of them are better than the best Democrat.
All are better than the Dem candidates.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Rudy never missed a chance to forcefully assert himself on the war, homeland security incl border security and reigning in the size and reach of the federal government. He looked like a real leader that can take it to the democrats, the press, the UN and the enemy, all the while inspiring American and its troops and inspiring those that yearn for liberty abroad. The man is on his game now.
The lazy Rudy I have bemoaned for months is no more.
Gamecock DeVine in
The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
when Rudy quoted Abe Lincoln about what it means to be an American. It was the most direct smackdown shot on Tancredo in the whole debate.
"We should scrap this “comprehensive” immigration bill and the whole debate until the government can show the American people that we have secured the borders -- or at least made great headway."
Fred Thompson
to refuse to report postive news from the General in Iraq. I love it when Rudy cuts his eyes at libs, esp the press. The lazy Rudy is no more. Da Mayor is back.
Gamecock DeVine in
The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
I don't support Hunter (and don't know much about him, admittedly), but I think he was the most impressive, and the only one with real "onions". Shame our system requires so much fundraising for someone to have a chance.
In a perfect world, Duncan Hunter should be the republican nominee. Hunter knows the issues inside out, has an impressive national defense background, and is solidly conservative on social issues. Not to mention that Hunter knows what needs to be done on the border.
But, since Hunter has no chance of winning, the next best candidate is Fred Thompson.
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If McCain had Hunter's onions, he'd point out that Romney and Giuliani have zero experience (foreign policy, military, national security) qualifying them to confront our national security issues.
...as a moderator in both debates
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and Larry King batting cleanup. "If you are elected President, what will be your favorite color." "Do you really pardon the presidential turkey at Thanksgiving?"
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
so I could eat that damn turkey and piss off all the nancy boys and whiners out there.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
Do you know how much that hurts?
There is nothing lonelier than being a black Republican in Boston, Massachusetts
is still sharp in your mind, but upon further reflection you will find that no one could be as bad as Mathews.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
Are there transcripts of the CNN debates? I'd like to compare contrast the list of questions for both the debates. I wonder why at least 90% of the questions wouldn't be asked to both groups since they are all running for the same position in the same country with the same voters with the same issues.
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Ok, I just signed up at imwithfred.com. Now, go over all you Fred supporters, sign and lets start putting our money and time where our typekeys are.
If it hasn't started already. The Spin Room here is a not insignificant hike from the hockey rink where they are holding the debate, so if you want to see something mildly entertaining, check for who shows up personally to the spin room, and the condition of their hair.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke