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Iraq??! Don't talk about Iraq! You kidding me? Iraq??

Agent 86, Maxwell Smart. I wonder if he has a phone in his shoe.

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Vista really sucks!

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite

When Rudy talked about executive experience.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Rudy has lots of experience

Running a sanctuary city.

Funding abortions with public dollars.

Working to do away with the line item veto.

Lots of great experience.

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None of the Above !

Whose crime rate went down, taxes went down, the economy grew. Whatever you think, Rudy ran New York effectively. What has Fred run that effectively?

"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"

Ronald Reagan

www.proprietornation.blogspot.com

Not what I've heard... NYers come down here to Florida in droves.
Did NYC gas and tobacco taxes go down under Rudi? Parking fees? Tolls? What exactly part of taxes did he reduce? Did he get rid of the city income tax? I'd like some real numbers on tax reduction.

-- imwithfred --

from Jersey, I should know since Bloomie repealed them.

I'm from Jersey so I can't tell you first hand but, he did get through a sales tax cut(that I remember), he cut income taxes(as my uncle whom lives in Staten Island tells me).

A lot of Rudy's tax cuts and reforms were repealed under Bloomie.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Why neither of them is going anywhere

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

the border? Maybe they are inside the trucks already that are now being allowed across the border from Mexico? just wondering...

-- imwithfred --

That was Gingrich, months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15D3ElV1Jzw

Is he going to run?
Will he ever again be anything other than a pundit/analyst?

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

http://first-cut-politics.blogspot.com/2006/07/fred-newt-2008.html

Oz

www.first-cut-politics.blospot.com

Newt isn't in anyone's bandwagon, and I doubt he'll attach himself to any one campaign even if he does decide not to run.

I would say he knows that's one of his weak points and has been working hard on preparing his answers

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Of having seen the issue from the ground level

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

I'm not saying that he doesn't have the right answers now, but he supported the sanctuary policies he inherited from Ed Koch.

he's asked that question make a LOT of sense.

"I had 400,000 illegals. The best ICE EVER did was 2,000 deportations a year. What do I do with the other 398,000?"

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

"I had 400,000 illegals. The best ICE EVER did was 2,000 deportations a year. What do I do with the other 398,000?"

In fact, he didn't have to welcome them and invite more to come. The answer he gives is mostly spin, because it has to be.

We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.

Is totally different than running the U.S. Illegals were not going to be deported and so he either gave them basic Services and protection or face an epidemic.

"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"

Ronald Reagan

www.proprietornation.blogspot.com

....I tend to be tough on illegal immigration, but this is a FEDERAL ISSUE. I believe Rudy handled the situation as best he could - maybe he should have billed the Federal government for public services the city of New York provided to illegals.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

way at the Federal level. If they don't commit a crime, they can stay.

Oz

www.first-cut-politics.blospot.com

We are not going to deport 12 million people. First, we secure the borders then we find and deport the criminals and all the other issues are easy to take care of. Anyone who thinks we can deport every illegals is not being realistic.

"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"

Ronald Reagan

www.proprietornation.blogspot.com

They are criminals. So what you are suggesting is a threshold, where we ignore stuff like entering the country illegally, working here illegally, identity theft, false document charges, and all the stuff that goes with being illegal isn't considered a crime at all.

They are here to work. If they can't get work here, the vast majority will go home.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Crack down on employers who employ illegals - without jobs, they'll leave.
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Faith is the highest passion in a human being. Many in every generation may not come that far, but none comes further.
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He'll probably draw a whole 2% of the vote now.

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

He just got asked an Iraq question, so he's back down to 1%.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

very well, and the responses to his answers were disappointing. I think he keeps his other percent.

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Whoever that is arguing with him just broke him.
"We must not lose our honour and that is more important than the Republican Party."

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

"What most people really object to when they object to a free market is that it is so hard for them to shape it to their own will. At the bottom of many criticisms of the market economy is really lack of belief in freedom itself."

-- Milton Friedman

But the 8 guys on that stage do.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

...need to hear what the props at the restaurant have to say, either. Especially if it cuts into their talk time, which is the only reason they are even there.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

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I am very disappointed in Brownback's answer to Paul.
I was hoping for, "And what about our citizens on the Arabian Peninsula? What about our business interests on the Arabian Peninsula? What about our economic necessities that we are importing from the Arabian Peninsula? How to we protect them if we completely withdraw from the region?"

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

to make Al Qaeda happy.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

And statesmen at her council met
Who knew the seasons when to take
Occasion by the hand, and make
The bounds of freedom wider yet
- Tennyson, _To the Queen_

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon

It was a good line, but I heard something different than Yahoo! News.

Yahoo: "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor," shot back former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, "and that is more important to the Republican Party".

I thought he said "more important THAN the Republican Party". Someone want to clear that up for me?

www.mikehuckabee.com

Being honourable and doing the job right is more important than keeping the Republican Party afloat, regardless of what said party may have become...

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Mitt still has the lead, but Mike's come from the back of the pack to put up a real strong challenge.

Hunter's dropped from my previous #2, but I still like him a lot too. He and McCain make up my second tier below Romney and Huckabee.

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Which is why I'm staying with him. But he'd also be a great VP.

www.mikehuckabee.com

Let's see who the Arlington group will back now that they have pulled back a bit from Fred (due to Fred's opposition to FMA).

Romney / Fred or Romney / Guiliani ... or maybe not.

Oz

www.first-cut-politics.blospot.com

The freedom to Defend oneself from violence is the most important right.

Not the freedom from violence. Saying that way is just Asking for President Poppins, Mary...

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Reference. If she uses proper protocols, we can scramble the jets.

"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"

Ronald Reagan

www.proprietornation.blogspot.com

So what was their excuse Before Abu Graihb?

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

"What most people really object to when they object to a free market is that it is so hard for them to shape it to their own will. At the bottom of many criticisms of the market economy is really lack of belief in freedom itself."

-- Milton Friedman

his unwillingness to give a satisfying pledge to appoint good judges...

better than McCain's, but I still think it was a dodge

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon

The right answer is "sure, I'll sign it now!"---
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Worst part of McCain's answer -- from a policy standpoint, not politics -- was his repeating of the myth that the Bush tax cuts caused the increases in revenues. NO, no, no, I'm not going to debate that point here. I've done it enough elsewhere on RS and won't threadjack here.

As bad as the IRS is, I don't have to worry about crowbar shaped dents in my head after they finish with me.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

What did he say?

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

He even got the Franklin quote wrong, just like the Kos Kids always do.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

First he had earlier said that he'd cut the CIA, FBi, DHS, and other agencies. So he'd have no clue of Iran's nuclear program status.

Then he said Iran is no threat to Israel. Another joke.

-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- I see abortion as a pro-choice issue... the baby's choice would be life.
-- imwithfred --

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

-- imwithfred --

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon

Certainly the most solid in this debate so far

and Paul is the village idiot.

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

As stupid as the restaurant scenes are, at least they kept them to a minimum and the result is a watchable and useful debate with only a couple stupid questions.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

There are some tough questions out there tonight.

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

....Carl Cameron set Romney up pretty good with the gentleman whose son is in Iraq who was pissed off about Romney comparing his sons' sacrifice to get him elected to those serving in our military.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

n/t

That talk will ultimately result in Iran imploding on itself, just as our talk during the cold war resulted in the USSR's collapse.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Israel has 300 nuclear missiles?
And how does that stop a nation led by people who want to bring about Armageddon (AKA the coming of the 12th Imam)?

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/892941.stm

I wouldn't be surprised, and I hope they do. They probably intend not only to blow up every single Islamic terrorist and other Muslim agressor, but also to take out every group of 72 virgins just to make sure they have nothing but a wiener-fest in hell.

We know they have them. They know that we know, and we know that they know that the Arabs and Iranians know what we know, as Israel has made sure they know.

But it's strictly unofficial, of course.

Oh, they definitely have SOME. I think the initial comment referred to the quantity.

A nation with nukes likeIsrael is certainly capable of defending itself and definitely should hesitate to do so given the crazy part of the world it's located in.

*shouldn't

I think the thought crossed their mind when things were looking bad initially during the 1973 war. In fact, I saw a great Broadway play, Golda's Balcony, a few years ago about it. Worth seeing if it shows up again. Below is from the NY Times theater review (not that I'm suggesting a theater review represents a thorough way to fact-check).

THEATER REVIEW; To Bomb Or Not To Bomb? A Question
October 16, 2003

In October 1973 a 75-year-old woman who grew up in Milwaukee nearly initiated a nuclear holocaust. There was one long night when she paced, sleepless, pondering her simple alternatives like a lovesick teenager picking petals off a daisy: Do I or don't I? Do I or don't I?

This is the tentpole event of ''Golda's Balcony,'' the Broadway season's first new play, a one-actor show with Tovah Feldshuh that opened last night at the Helen Hayes Theater.

The woman of course was the Russian-born, American-raised Israeli prime minister Golda Meir; the occasion was the 1973 Middle East war. According to the script by William Gibson, the bombs were loaded on planes that were awaiting Meir's order to take off, when Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon, confident that Meir would carry out her threat to wipe out Egypt and Syria rather than yield the hard-won Jewish state to its enemies, supplied Israel with the additional aircraft it needed to defend itself with conventional weapons.

This is all ostensibly true, historically accurate within the license granted any playwright, and a jaw-dropping scenario even if you were already aware of it...

http://theater2.nytimes.com/mem/theater/treview.html?res=9C00E1DD163EF93...

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Oz

www.first-cut-politics.blospot.com

I don't get it.

In the case of us ending the talks.

Without that, they are no different (with the possible exception that Kimmie-pooh wants to keep him power and live rather than bring in the 12th Imam)

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Seeing as you also apparently didn't get this entire "leave, once banned" thing.

Now shoo.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon

In all seriousness, I was disappointed in him there. He thought he'd be a little prosaic instead of just saying "I won't answer hypotheticals like that". Too bad.

www.mikehuckabee.com

The viewers at home saw a serious debate with no Fred. Tough night for the absent guy.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Baseball is more important than the POTUS. Go back to watching..

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

The only IMPORTANT sport doesn't start until tomorrow night...

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Napoleon

ho ho ho ho ho.....

....You're wrong. Go Mets!

www.mikehuckabee.com

A miracle comeback by the Braves today hopefully will start a miracle comeback for the division.

Baseball > POTUS

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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson

unlike last night, when I actually was at the game and saw a decent one. And the squirrel was hilarious (much like the squirrel at tonight's debate...)

I couldn't catch the rest of the game past their 8 to 6 lead...

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Then again, I'm a Braves fan.

I think the Mets might owe us a playoff share though...

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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson

They always choke at about this time of year...

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

My daughter and I had forgetten about the match. I like that at least their sock colors are different. And appropriate that the good guy is wearing white socks. :^)

-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
-- I see abortion as a pro-choice issue... the baby's choice would be life.
-- imwithfred --

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

But not everything he did in NY ties into the issues faced by the President. He compared refusing to hold terror suspects indefinitely in Guantanamo to criminals being released on the streets in NYC. Maybe they're both bad, but they're not the same.

www.mikehuckabee.com

It was a question... what do we do with Gitmo residents if their home countries don't want them back? Release them on the streets of NYC, Boston, or Los Angeles? Pretty decent point, but he should have also brought up the guys we don't want to release whether their home countries want them back or not... like the guys who we catch later trying to kill our soldiers on the battlefield.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Should be enough to qualify him for a FISA warrant, assuming there isn't already one in place.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Except that I think Brownback was DOA. I mean, Huckabee gave a non-answer on Iraq, got applause, then he gave a legitimate answer right after, dead silence.

He needs to get out. Now.

I like Hunter more every time I see a debate, and I like Tancredo less.

www.mikehuckabee.com

have the pizazz to run a national campaign. Interesting visual - the microphone made a heart-shaped shadow on his tie!

I don't think 2008 is Huckabee's year. But he looks better and better.

Totally agree about Hunter.

Romney could have done better, but he also arrived with the biggest target on his back. He definitely fielded the toughest questions.

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And statesmen at her council met
Who knew the seasons when to take
Occasion by the hand, and make
The bounds of freedom wider yet
- Tennyson, _To the Queen_

Who was responsible for that target Being there in the first place?

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

Will destabilize the internet while trying to stuff the ballot box. At least with SMS, the cell companies make a bunch of money off the guys. I wonder if I can pay my T-Mobile bill in GOLD?
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

-- imwithfred --

Didn't throw crap at Fred for not being there. He was the Only one who didn't...

"I Will Always Place The Mission First.
"I will never accept defeat.
"I will never quit.
"I will never leave a fallen comrade."
Warrior Ethos, US Army

You know, I see a fair number of Ron Paul™ signs in Massachusetts. Wanna know why? Because MA is infested with left wingers. And they love Ron Paul™. Has it ever occured to you to ask why? Has it ever occured to you to ask why the Ronulans tend to adopt the rhetoric and tactics of, well, the other side (COUGHdailykosCOUGH)? No, I suspect it has not.

Paul's campaign isn't attracting a "melting pot" of anything - it's attracted a small band of disaffected "libertarians", leftist rabble (again, have you ever wondered why RuPaul is "the only republican they would ever consider voting for"?) and people who need to change their tin-foil hats more often. If you think that even starts to resemble an electoral majority, let me know and I'll make sure to be in touch with your local looney bin.

If RuPaul has anything resembling "mass appeal" it's ain't showing up anywhere other than the fevered brains of his small band of true believers. He's going nowhere - and don't get me stared on the "integrity and convictions" nonsense, either.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

I'm ignoring "internet polls" as well. I suppose that makes me an idiot, right.

Oh, never mind - anyone who has the stones to write (presumably with a straight face):

The movement behind Congressman Paul is a whopper.

is someone with whom I would rather have my gums scraped than attempt to bring back from the Reality Based Community™.

Vaya con Dios - but please, by all means, vaya.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

(Posted from my Wii...)

Why do you think our hopes depend on Obama? It's Sen. HRC who's "upside down" in national favorability polling!

Dang. Posting with the Wii remote is slow, but passable. This suggests RS posting from bed...

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Reality: Thompson/Romney Dream: Santorum/Watts.

BTW, do you write your name like that because you read slowly?
It is not neo-cons who are disturbed by Ron Paul. I am not one, I live near his district, I have met him in person, and he is a jerk, a lazy do-nothing Congressman, and he attracts freaks.
Paul should be much more worried about what he is facing primary time next year. Texans are going to fire him.
He keeps trying to highjack straw polls, and his supporters believe there are conspiracies when they don't win.
Ron Paul is more like Chancy Gardner or Godot than a leader - he is a blank slate a tiny loud group sees their visions in.

Really.

Or it could be the Templars. Hard to tell them apart sometimes.

Gotta go - late for my hourly flogging. And my neo-con masters (they're all related, you know) get really testy when I'm not on time.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

One of the site's reactionary moderators is speaking to you. I'm only not a paleocon because I favor AMNESTY!!!!11!, so don't start whining about any PNAC conspiracies regarding your posting privileges.

You have the misfortune of posting somewhere that features a number of contributors and commenters (including me) who have been on the campaign trail this year and *seen* Ron Paul supporters gathering en masse. In other words, we know that they're really liberal Democrats, unless there's been a sudden run of hippies joining the Republican party. If so, they've come specifically to yell and chant for Ron Paul.

This has all been a long-winded way of saying that Life is Not Fair™, that Ron Paul supporters look like Democrats to us, and when they come in here throwing elbows after being signed up for a day, they're going to get treated like Democrats.

In other words, you and your compadres need to tone it down. If you're looking for a website that will allow you to be just as obnoxious on the internet as you are in person, you need to scuttle along to somewhere else - it shouldn't be that hard, since the internet is the one place where Ron Paul supporters are as relatively numerous as they like to make themselves appear.

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This kind of liberty is, indeed, but another name for justice; ascertained by wise laws, and secured by well-constructed institutions.

-Edmund Burke

I am always amazed that the term "neoconservative" is thrown around to describe people (like Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.) who have been involved in Republican administrations and/or elective office for over three decades.

Beyond that, I generally follow Thomas's advice about not debating the religious about their religious beliefs on this site, and so I'm disengaging now. The point here is that you need to quit poking the "neocons" in the eye and move along. This point is really not up for discussion.

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This kind of liberty is, indeed, but another name for justice; ascertained by wise laws, and secured by well-constructed institutions.

-Edmund Burke

...Oops. Well, maybe the next one will profit from W i l l ' s example.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!