Hillary Bugs Out...Or Does She?
She's Against Whatever You Dislike About The War
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Today's NY Daily News carried an op-ed by Hillary Clinton (co-signed by whoever it is that signs stuff for Robert Byrd these days) that seems to say...well, in typical Clinton fashion, its meaning would appear to depend on the reader. Let's walk through and see if we can make sense of the words she pours past our eyes:
On Oct. 11, 2002, the Senate gave President Bush authority to use force against Iraq. Nearly five years later, it is time for Congress to say enough is enough.
The American people have waited long enough for progress in Iraq. They have waited long enough for the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future.
OK, so she is calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq? That's the position of many in her party; it's foolish in the extreme, but at least has the virtue of clarity. But if it's clarity you are expecting, you have forgotten what the Clintons are all about.
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Today, more than 150,000 members of our armed forces are caught in a civil war. According to the Pentagon, overall levels of violence in Iraq have not decreased since the surge began. The last three months have been the deadliest period for American troops since the start of the war.
Note: if by "the surge" she means the expansion of the number of troops in Iraq to the cited 150,000 figure, that has only barely come on line in the past few weeks. Unfortunately, leading Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) have difficulty grasping a military strategy that requires more than one syllable to describe. The new rules of engagement have been in place since February, but the actual escalation in boots on the ground only became complete in the past month.
It is time for the waiting to end and for our troops to start to come home.
OK, withdrawal then.
That is why we propose to end the authorization for the war in Iraq. The civil war we have on our hands in Iraq is not our fight and it is not the fight Congress authorized. Iraq is at war with itself and American troops are caught in the middle.
Now, the idea that what is going on in Iraq is "civil war" is debatable as a matter of military doctrine as well as popular understanding among Iraqis, given the large areas of the country not engulfed in conflict and the absence of organized factions that are openly seeking to secede from or overturn the government. But leave that aside - there certainly is violence perpetrated by factions looking in general to undermine the government. Leave aside for now the fact that there is also substantial foreign (esp. Iranian) involvement in Iraq, and that we are fighting as well Al Qaeda in Iraq, which one would think of as an important foe to be rid of.
The fact is, while the mission endorsed by the 2002 resolution - the use of force to remove the threat presented by Saddam's regime - has long since been accomplished, a resolution authorizing an invasion always assumes that the U.S. may well stay to do post-war reconstruction, a task which has frequently throughout history involved putting down armed insurrections (ask the Congress that authorized the Spanish-American War).
At a recent Senate hearing, Defense Secretary Robert Gates was asked if the 2002 authorization still applies to Iraq. His response was surprisingly candid: "I don't know." . . .
Well, that proves yet again why Gates is such a pathetic excuse for a spokesman for an Administration policy he shows no signs of agreeing with, but it also means he's uninformed. Argue if you like that the war is a bad idea, but it's ridiculous to contend that the Administration is proceeding without proper legal authority. In fact, that's precisely why Senator Clinton has to propose changing the law.
The 2008 defense authorization bill is now before the U.S. Senate. This legislation presents a vital opportunity for Congress to step up and force the President to change course in Iraq. Amending the bill to deauthorize the war would do exactly that. We intend to lead that effort.
"Change course"? I thought the point of this op-ed was to, well, "deauthorize the war," which would involve not doing what is no longer authorized.
If the Bush administration believes that the current war, as it is being executed, is critical to America's future, then it should make the case and let the people decide. Explain to the public why our young men and women should be sent into the middle of a fight between religious factions. Explain why we should continue to devote $10 billion each month to this fight.
"[A]s it is being executed" is another dodge here...and if the goal is to stop the war, then say you are for doing that, not merely that you want him to "explain" himself, which Heaven knows the President has done often enough, albeit rarely as well as he might have.
Prior to the vote on the original authorization of force in 2002, we worked to limit that authority to one year. Unfortunately, the amendment failed — a fact rendered all the more distressing in hindsight.
Oh, a 1-year time limit would have been a brilliant way to enter a war. Recall that many critics of the war predicted a protracted Stalingrad-style battle for Baghdad alone, with as many as 3,000 casualties, and others predicted ten times that. Recall also that many of the Democrats who supported the authorization wanted more time to first be spent trying to bluff Saddam. Can any serious person think it would have been a good thing to get into a seige situation with a ticking clock?
Anyway, the defeat of that time limit clearly shows that what Congress did authorize was more open-ended, as wars generally are.
By deauthorizing the original use-of-force resolution this year, we would put a stop to the President's failed strategy and require him to articulate a new policy that takes into account the desires of the American people, the reality in Iraq and the recommendations of military experts. . . .
Leaving entirely unsaid what that should be.
Our men and women in uniform toppled the dictator. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Iraq has established a parliament and elected a president and a prime minister. Yet our troops remain in Iraq and our President remains unmoved by any arguments to change course.
How?
Note that we have about reached the end, yet there is no discussion here at all of the regional and global consequences of withdrawal, or indeed of anything at all. It's Iraq in a Vaccuum.
As Bush admitted in his State of the Union address in January, "This is not the fight we entered in Iraq." We could not agree more. This is not the fight Congress authorized, Mr. President. If you want to continue to wage this fight, come to Congress and make your case. Otherwise, bring our troops home.
That's President Bush to you, Senator. So, are we back to bringing the troops home, or not? That depends what you want to believe - whatever it is, Senator Clinton is for it.
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Since we could then have a real debate about it. But this is vintage Clinton, too many caveats to take too seriously.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
is this...
Here is a link to the 1864 Democratic Party Platform. Anyone who reads it should find it eerily similar to Hillary and the rest of the Democrats of today. Thank goodness that platform was rejected, and hopefully the same fate will fall upon this one...
www.sonofthesouth.net/union-generals/mcclellan/democratic-platform-1864....
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"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"
Ronald Reagan
The Democratic convention was taking place at the moment that Sherman took Atlanta. That battle changed everything. Had that not happened, this would have been the platform, and according to all of Lincoln's advisors, McClellan would have won with it -- easily.
I've seen times, both with LBJ and Bush, when they seem to be holding on waiting for Sherman to take Atlanta. Counterinsurgency doesn't work that way.
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We would also like to know your advice for somebody like my daughter, who's going to graduate in two years, advice that you would give a young person.
SEC. RUMSFELD: Advice for a young person. Study history.
When this thing started, Bush had the whole country behind him. He sounded tough, and resolute. He was going to defeat the enemy, capture terrorits, give them military tribunals and execute them. Bush has taken the whole mantra of"speak softly and carry a big stick" and turned it on its head. Bush is an empty suit. How many military trials have there been? HOw politically correct is this "war" being fought? I know soldiers who have come back from Iraq who told me they have to sign out and account for each and every bullet they use, and if they're are fired upon, unless it is an ambush, they have to call Central Command for permission to fire back. Then they told me about briefcases full of cash being delivered to certain tribal leaders. There are an extraordinary number of stories these guys told me that would just infuriate you. So, instead of crushing our enemy like Bush intimated we would do, we are dilly-dallying and supervising a gang-turf war-and our best young men are getting killed. If I were a parent of a soldier, I would be quite angry at this whole mess. This thing was a mess after the first year, why wait 4 years for the so-called "surge"?
Sorry for the rant.
and I believe that part of the surge, they have stopped most of the nonsense that you talk about, though you can correct me if I am wrong. Furthermore, and more importantly, every President in every war has made many, many mistakes. That is the nature of the beast. War is tough difficult, and full of errors. Lincoln made them, FDR made them, and frankly even Washington made plenty of them. This is not some pissing contest where we count up every single mistake Bush made, because we would still be counting into next year, but rather what we need to do to go forward. Yes, we are all upset that it took him four years to realize that he didn't have enough troops in the battlefield. So what? It took Lincoln nearly that long to find Grant, and before that every other general was the model of incompetence, and many, many people lost their lives as a result, and as you can see from my link, he nearly lost the election and the war as a result. What if the Dems had prevailed in 1864? Now, we are in a similar moment of truth. Are we going to focus on the future or count up the many, many mistakes ad nauseum?
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"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"
Ronald Reagan
I agree that mistakes are made in war. But this president talked tough and carried no stick. Where are the military tribunals?
After the first year, the media(extreme liberals) were telling us things were not going well in Iraq, and the Bush administration told us it was under control. Of course, all of us gave Bush the benefit of the doubt especially knowing the media's history. We were betrayed by this administration. They knew things were not going well and yet the payoffs contiued and yes, our troops are still hamstrung even with this "surge".
I am a die hard conservative, but logic is telling me something else is going on here. I hope, Mr. Bush really has some sort of master plan, but I fear this is one giant cluster f&%*!!!!
the military tribunals are going to be made public so I am not really sure what your criticism is there. As to the surge, I know he said that the rules of engagement were going to change along with the surge. Again, starting in January I think he fixed many of the mistakes that he was making. We will see.
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"The nine most dangerous words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"
Ronald Reagan
Scary isn't it???
"You never need a firearm,until you need it BADLY!"
"...a military strategy that requires more than one syllable to describe."
Try Win
or
Lose
I think we know which single syllable word the left chooses.
She wants to be able to say that she doesn't apologize for voting for the war because it was inevitable or needed or whatever. But she does say that everything Bush/Cheney/Rummy/etc. did frmo that point on was wrong. And she wants to take credit for sterring a middle ground that gets us out when no one else could.
So depending on her audience, she will pick out the piece of the smorgasboard that they want to hear and focus on that.
however in any debate with her Republican counterpart, if it comes to that, that sort of a strategy would fail miserably. Remember, the only reason that Kerry's pathetic double speak wasn't obvious to everyone after the first debate with Bush is because Bush constantly made a bunch of faces. It is exactly this sort of waffling, double speak, and constantly moving position that did him in.
Do you really think that standing across from Rudy, Fred, Mitt, or McCain, that she can take every position possible and get away with it. How would she compare to the clean pure position that all of them have.
This is not the fight Congress authorized, Mr. President. If you want to continue to wage this fight, come to Congress and make your case.
My guess is Sen. Clinton would vote "present."
I am still not sold she has a lock on her party's nomination.
By deauthorizing the original use-of-force resolution this year, we would put a stop to the President's failed strategy and require him to articulate a new policy that takes into account the desires of the American people, the reality in Iraq and the recommendations of military experts. . . .
This is what was done at the end of 2006 and beginning of 2007. The new strategy was begun, under General David Petraeus, and he has been given everything he has asked for save a Congress who could bite the bullet long enough to give him a chance to make a difference before allowing their "All is lost!" tourette's take over again.
Contrary to spectacularly ignorant popular opinion, the so-called "Surge" is not the new strategy. The increase in troops is a support function necessary to implement that new, comprehensive strategy - that is all.
Not that most people - Hillary! included - would know that.
Jeff, how many wars have time limits, limits in scope and strategy. The President got an authorization for use of military force in Iraq and now he is using it, and Ms. Clinton wants to now say that since it took too long and we are fighting a more determined enemy than anyone expected that he needs to get another authorization. She wants to be commander in Chief with that hair brain philosophy.
The generally perceived original scope was to get rid of the threat of WMD's (accomplished). Get rid of Saddam (accomplished). And his sons (accomplished). Some would even argue that it was deBaathification (accomplished). At the time of the invasion we now know that there ware no active AQ cells in Iraq, but OK they came in to the theater so the "justification" can naturally morph into fighting AQ.
But today, the vast majority of the violence is Sunni / Shiite sectarian violence. Did we sign up to be peace keepers? Do we really want to be on the side of the Shia (Iran's proxy) versus the Sunni (Saudia's proxy)?
And there are arguments that President's can make mistakes in war, which is certainly true, but Iraq is a battle of the GWOT? So long as we don't waste too many resources in policing a civil war in Iraq we can still fight terorism on other fronts (such as terrorism funding).
it was an authorization to use military force in Iraq. Those were justifications for invading, but I don't think anyone that voted for the authorization was also comfortable leaving it as a mess. I don't think they would have voted that way. The major violence now being caused in Iraq is caused by AQ, Iran, and Syria, all opponents in GWOT, and thus to say that it isn't part of the GWOT is foolish.
Thanks...
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always forget that except this time. Doing better, doing better.
Have stated that most of the recent violence is sectarian.
It's revionist (and silly), but would you contend that had the debate on the AUMF ceneterd around "will you provide the AUMF for the Millitary to disarm WMD's, depose Saddam, remove the sons, take apart the Baath party infrastructure, fight ittinerant insurgents AND police a massive and potentially regionally destablizing civil war between the Sunni's and Shiite's (and by the way we're going to take the Shiite's side)" do you think the AUMF would have been granted?
you read but read this...
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/update-on-bless-the-beasts-and-child...
that isn't sectarian but AQ. Almost all of the car bombs are AQ, and frankly all of the violence is interconnected, so sectarian or not, it all links back to AQ, Iran and Syria. Those are our enemies not only in Iraq but in the GWOT. I guess when Zawahiri comes out every couple months to proclaim that to AQ, Iraq is the central front in the war, we should treat it with skepticism.
Furthermore, most of the people creating the sectarian violence are linked either to Iran, Syria, or to the Baathists, and either way all are our enemies, in Iraq and beyond, just my opinion.
and I remembered to hit the reply button.
www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/9010-Final-20070608.pdf
Read the conclusion.
On foreign fighters in Iraq try:
www.brook.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
(The relevant portion on foreign fighters and the size of AQ, the insurgency etc is in the mid 20's)
however, how about some raw numbers about the damage they caused? Who do you think was responsible for the car bomb that killed over 100 people over the weekend? Who is responsible for over 90% of the car bombs. Besides, whatever the violence, it is either orchestrated, funded, supported, by these three groups Al Qaeda, Iran and Syria, so whatever the violence that is going on in Iraq one of our three enemies there has their dirty hands all over it.
To propose that an AUMF could possibly spell out in such detail how a conflict would procede is silly.
After expending much time and energy blowing up things around the world, to little positive effect, AQ decided to engage us heavily in Iraq. They have been successful in stirring up trouble in Iraq as they were not in Indonesia, the Philipines, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Are we not to respond effectively to their latest efforts? We'll call it quits now because they've had some success? I hope not.
The constant parsing and inability to intellectually or factually hold a dialogue should evoke one primary thought; she should never be close to our Presidency. She will continue the Clinton legacy in one respect; making us all less safe with incredibly bad judgment.
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If the "change in course" rhetoric is assumed to refer directly back to the withdrawal, which I suspect it probably does, then a lot of your quibbles lose weight. It's not ridiculous to take the various "change" statements therein and interpret them to mean withdrawal -- in which case the piece holds together.
I disagree with her point, for reasons that people here have articulated so well they don't require repeating, but I don't think inconsistency is the problem with this piece.
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We would also like to know your advice for somebody like my daughter, who's going to graduate in two years, advice that you would give a young person.
SEC. RUMSFELD: Advice for a young person. Study history.