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I predict Huckabee drops like a rock in the next couple of weeks. And if he doesn't, it's just another proof point of the utter cluelessness of the American electorate.

A relative of Bill Clinton is raped. Wayne Dumond is arrested and imprisoned in the case. While awaiting sentencing, Dumond himself is sexually assaulted and castrated by two masked men. A local sheriff, later sentenced to 160 years for extortion and drug dealing, displays Dumond's testicles in a jar on his desk under a sign that read, 'That's what happens to people who fool around in my county.'
A parole board, upon receiving new EVIDENCE OF DRUMMOND'S INNOCENCE, will vote to release him after 4 1/2 years in prison. Governor Clinton -- according to the managing editor of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette -- stages a 'romping, stomping fit' and blocks the release." In another reference, we said, "As for Clinton, his character is formed in no small part on the idea of hegemonic liberty -- the presumption that because of his power his liberty is worth more than that of others. To those without power, the story can be quite different. For Paula Jones. Or for Wayne Dumond, who was wrongly accused in the 1984 rape of a Clinton relative."
"Dumond, who was eventually released and is now charged with murder in another case, was clearly the victim of an extraordinary injustice in the rape case. He was released on that basis and not upon an hypothesis concerning what might happen in the future.]"
http://prorev.com/whtwtru.htm

That article deserves reading with a jaundiced eye because of its author. I have seen his reporting on the Plame game and listened to him report to Amy Goodman. He is very partisan (and this is written during the 2002 election bid) and a master at juxtaposing facts in order to insinuate connections that are not warranted.

Nevertheless, Huck's own version of this leaves me finding his judgment severely wanting. Where the Huck supporter below says he believes Huck's version, I don't see how that brings any defense to Huck.

Any one but him.

A relative of Bill Clinton is raped. Wayne Dumond is arrested and imprisoned in the case. While awaiting sentencing, Dumond himself is sexually assaulted and castrated by two masked men. A local sheriff, later sentenced to 160 years for extortion and drug dealing, displays Dumond's testicles in a jar on his desk under a sign that read, 'That's what happens to people who fool around in my county.'
A parole board, upon receiving new EVIDENCE OF DRUMMOND'S INNOCENCE, will vote to release him after 4 1/2 years in prison. Governor Clinton -- according to the managing editor of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette -- stages a 'romping, stomping fit' and blocks the release." In another reference, we said, "As for Clinton, his character is formed in no small part on the idea of hegemonic liberty -- the presumption that because of his power his liberty is worth more than that of others. To those without power, the story can be quite different. For Paula Jones or for Wayne Dumond, who was wrongly accused in the 1984 rape of a Clinton relative."
"Dumond, who was eventually released and is now charged with murder in another case, was clearly the victim of an extraordinary injustice in the rape case. He was released on that basis and not upon an hypothesis concerning what might happen in the future.]"
http://prorev.com/whtwtru.htm

is that my boss is a big time Fundie who now supports the Huckster, and he openly admits he is not interested in GWOT ("why help non-Christians?"), taxes (never mind that whole "render unto Caesar" bit) and the like. He actually supports Huck's nanny statism and society shaping and said he would sit out if anybody else received the nomination. In other words, a typical Huck supporter.

That being said, a focus on nothing but social issues is as sure fire of a loser in the General Election as other single issue campaigns.

I am considered a big Fundie myself, both in weight and in theology (though I'm sure that Huck will help me with the weight problem).

Your boss might be typical of Huck supporters (don't know for sure, but I doubt it), but is not typical of us Fundies. A lot of Fundies support Huck because of his stand on abortion and family issues, but I would guess that it is actually a very small percent who "...are not interested in GWOT ("why help non-Christians?"), taxes (never mind that whole "render unto Caesar" bit) and the like", or supports "...Huck's nanny statism and society shaping." In fact, your boss seems to be in a very small monority of Fundies. As a rule, Fundies are among the more ardent supporters of our military and their missions to fight the GWOT.

By the way, I support Fred, not Huck. Not that all Fundies support Fred. Of the five top runners, Huck does not make my top 3 because of his nanny statism, his fiscal record as governor, and his questionable enthusiasm for pursuing the GWOT (Iraq: We broke it, it's ours). But I think that using your boss as a reason to oppose Huck is not so bright.

~ You just proved you know nothing about Huck Supporters, or the fact that he has the only true grassroots campaign in the top tier of the Republican field right now.

Karl Rove was a genius for tapping the Christian Conservative base for support in 2000 and 2004 as they're the most dedicated volunteers in the Republican Party. Yet because of that, they feel misled and even betrayed that Bush refuses to fight for any of the issues they care about.

Huckabee's a genuine leader that supports their ideals fervently. Their passion for their candidate is a dynamic no other legitimate campaign has and is the reason why he's shot up in the polls.

The Dumond case has been used against Huckabee in every campaign since it happened, yet he's won each time. The mud will fly and Huckabee will weather it again.

Now these are the true conservatives :o). Okay, maybe you shouldn't take the law into your own hands, but if it was my daughter, well maybe.

There is a major part of me that feels the exact same way. The problem is this "vigilante justice" cast doubt on the case, and led others (and not Just Huckabee) to reinvestigate and ultimately show Dumond compassion. The fact the Sherriff took Dumond's balls and put them in a jar of formaldahyde(sp?), and then kept it on his desk also links the Sherriff to Dumond's castration.

Had this castration never occurred there would be no doubt regarding the case, Clinton's Lt. Governor never would have made it possible for Dumond to meet with the Parole Board, he never would have been released on Parole by the Parole Board when Huckabee was Governor, and he never would have had the opportunity to commit any additional crimes against society.

This "vigilante justice" has been discussed over and over again as reasons for why Dumond should receive compassion and Parole. Like Sharia Law where if you steal your hand is cut off: Dumond raped and was castrated. When on Parole he committed an entirely different crime by murdering a girl.

were/are kind of big on the whole "rule of law" thing.

That, to my simple mind at least, translates to "Vigilante == BAD".

But maybe that's just me.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Willie Horton wasn't castrated by vigilantes, and his balls weren't put in a jar of formaldahyde on the Sherriff's desk.

Also, the candidates are different. One was entirely oppossed to the death penalty; while the other (Huckabee) is an advocate of its use.

Willie Horton also committed the same crimes; whereas Dumond committed another serious (but different) crime.

I'm not saying the political consequences aren't there, and people will definitely discuss this case over and over again. But there are many differences in the cases that people will be made aware of.

The response was all wrong. Dumond should not get any kind of "pass" for a crime just because he was a vicitim of another crime.

The proper answer to the events in Dumond's case was to prosecute him for his crimes, loudly condemn the Sheriff in question for his actions, and insure that the people who participated in the violent assault on Dumond wer vigorously prosecuted.

Did Huckabee show as much compassion for Dumond's victim and the family as he did for Dumond?

Hope that this man continues to fool the people that he is a conservative. Huckabee says, "There’s nothing you can say, but my gosh, it’s the thing you pray never happens. And it did.”
My gosh golly gee-whiz. Can people please open their eyes to the fact that Hick (I mean Huck) has no place in this race.
Is that the same thing he will say when he starts with tax increases and shamnesty. Maybe his foreign policy will work the same. Oh you're a Christian now... well my gosh, I pray you don't kill us with them nukes you're building.

I support Gov. Huckabee because I believe that he is the best POTUS for the social movement. I have little confidence in most of the other candidates on this issue.

-I will never vote for Giuliani - obvious
-I will never vote for Mitt - yes, it is because he is a mormon. His willingness to follow what I consider a cult concerns me.
-I would probably vote for McCain and Thompson - though they have done and said some stupid things in the past when it comes to the Socon movement, their record eases my concern.

With Gov. Huckabee I have no doubt that he will nominate a "anti-murder of the innocent" SCOTUS. I can only hope with most of the others.

Saving the unborn child and allow the living to die. As for your bigotry, let other judge that.

Although you deserve Little

Bigotry and upholding the rule of law are entirely different things, and insinuating that two are equal is messed up.

I refer you to his answer to just such an insinuation at the last debate.

What every. Your post made no sense, how does upholding the law and allow convicted criminals to go free go together.

And I am not going to go into a name calling thing with you. I got it, you are a Huckabee supporter, and no matter what his record is, you are going to support him. Your reasons are obvious.

He's a Huckster. Enough said.

-I will never vote for Mitt - yes, it is because he is a mormon.

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Have you ever talked to mormons? They say they believe in the Jesus of the Bible. They say they believe that salvation is by faith alone. They say that they believe the Bible is the Word of God.

Then when you confront them you learn that they believe:
-Jesus is the brother of Satan
-Salvation is obtained by being a good person
-The Bible is the Word of God except when it contradicts the Book of Mormon. Such as Jesus' birth location.

I have never heard Gov. Romney make any of these statements. I have never talked to Gov. Romney about who Jesus is or how salvation is obtained. I am basing my reasoning off of other conversations that I have had with Mormons. They are deceitful in their teachings.

Pardon me for being a little concerned with somebody who follows this religion.

What part of "this is a political blog not a theological blog" isn't getting through to you.

Drop this crap.
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I will not vote for Gov. Romney because of his mormonism. Gov. Romney is running for POTUS isn't he?

Talk "politics" like that again and you're outa here. Tell us that your values differ and leave it at that. We don't need a treatise on the innards of the Mormon faith, and we especially don't need one from someone who obviously has a low opinion of that faith.

Are you old enough to remember Kennedy running? I am. Same stuff. The Pope was gonna come over here and take over.

Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you're dead.

I was stating why I did not agree with Romney after being called a bigot. I will not go into so much detail next time.

Have you ever talked to mormons?

I have several good friends that are mormon.

I know what they believe. Most Christians today don't fully support the concept of salvation by faith alone.

They do believe the Bible is the Word of God (when translated correctly).

Many Christians believe their works contribute to their salvation. Mormon's aren't alone in this.

As for Jerusalem being the birthplace of Jesus, please. You can find better arguments. This one is old and tired. Even I could answer this one in my sleep.

And bo be honest, I'm a LOT more concerned about bigotted people like you than I am with people that for the most part live a morally better life than most Christians.

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I prefer the term Biblical. The Bible tells us to contend for the faith. Due to the threat of expulsion given to me a couple of posts up, I will refrain from throwing out the laundry list of differences between biblical Christianity and Morminism.

It is clear to me that Huckabee has zero substance beyond his Christian credentials. He visits churches and pastors and talks about God. There's nothing wrong with that, but what exactly does Huckabee have to offer other than being a Christian?

He has no substance on anything other than abortion and gay marriage. He talks in slogans and platitudes just like liberal Democrats do. I'm so tired of this guy.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

Bravo

But I think you're way off base to say he has "zero substance beyond his Christian credentials".

-His 90+ tax cuts mean something to me
-The fact he balance the budget every year means something to me
-The incredible improvement in the infrastructure in Arkansas without allow the DOT to become a hub for overpaid cronies means something to me.
-That Huckabee has appointed good conservative judges in Arkansas means something to me

-However, I think what most people like myself like the most is that if he says something he sticks to it, and I feel I can trust him on it...
-That he hasn't sacrificed his principles or character while Governor.
-That he stands for Big Solutions to Major Government Issues, such as the Fair Tax, Personal Accounts for Social Security, etc.
-That he thinks outside the box for non-Governmental Solutions, or for ways to make the Government more efficient and cost-effective.
-That he understands Federalism and stands by it. That he believes the Federal Government should be less and States should be more is important to me.

There are many reasons why I support Huckabee, and I will support the Republican nominee regardless of whether it's Giuliani, Thompson, McCain or Romney. I think us Conservatives get called Bigots enough by the Left that there's no need to use that type of language on this site.

You fail to mention the taxes he raised. Yes he cut small taxes and raised big ones. Thats the problem with numbers, they don't equal out. When he was done, the raised taxes over 505 million, but spent more than 6 billion. (see factcheck.org)

and there are many reasons not to vote for him.

Bigots exists in every group, and every creed. Bigots are Bigots, and there are no justification for them. For instance, we have Neo Nazis that are republican. Do not like them, wish they would go away, but they are there.

They'd never get out of committee though. Everyone would know they had to pass a litmus test, and there's no way the left wing base would allow a nominee like that to get through.

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Calling Mormonism a cult is a very bigoted thing to say. You do know early Christianity was considered a cult as well, in fact is was worshiped underground for quite some time?

There are no destructive aspects of Mormonism, in fact the religion shares many values with the SoCon movement.

I am curious what in particular it is that you believe about Huck's statement that makes you comfortable with his role here.

His statement helped him weather this storm in the context of a reelection bid where his involvement Dumond's release was being played as a big issue by his Dem opponent. He covered his bases by arguing that he was no softer on this guy than the Dem's had been. He didn't show that he fought to keep the guy from getting released. His statement just shows he could convince Arkansas voters that it was a wash with respect to culpability. That apparently worked for Arkansas election politics but I don't see how that helps for Republican presidential primary politics. Do you?

There may be some factual dispute over whether the parole was granted before or after Huck denied the pardon. We can take Huck's word for it. But Huck does not deny that his knowledge of the one had bearing on the other. And in his letter to the fellow he blesses the release. You may not question that particular judgment, but like the mother of the man's victim, many of us do.

The people of Arkansas were protesting it. Did you read the article? Obvious there were enough dangerous criminals that this poor woman’s daughter was killed. Do you not have any compassion for her? She probably relieves her daughter’s death every time Huckabee is in the news.

A relative of Bill Clinton is raped. Wayne Dumond is arrested and imprisoned in the case. While awaiting sentencing, Dumond himself is sexually assaulted and castrated by two masked men. A local sheriff, later sentenced to 160 years for extortion and drug dealing, displays Dumond's testicles in a jar on his desk under a sign that read, 'That's what happens to people who fool around in my county.'
A parole board, upon receiving new EVIDENCE OF DRUMMOND'S INNOCENCE, will vote to release him after 4 1/2 years in prison. Governor Clinton -- according to the managing editor of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette -- stages a 'romping, stomping fit' and blocks the release." In another reference, we said, "As for Clinton, his character is formed in no small part on the idea of hegemonic liberty -- the presumption that because of his power his liberty is worth more than that of others. To those without power, the story can be quite different. For Paula Jones. Or for Wayne Dumond, who was wrongly accused in the 1984 rape of a Clinton relative."
"Dumond, who was eventually released and is now charged with murder in another case, was clearly the victim of an extraordinary injustice in the rape case. He was released on that basis and not upon an hypothesis concerning what might happen in the future.]"
http://prorev.com/whtwtru.htm
This woman is a pawn being used to smear Huckabee!! More dirty tricks.

Control-V 3 replies same thread... same reply... let's see how long this lasts ;)

at least be creative about it. 3 cut/paste responses is unoriginal and troll-ish.

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Almost every post on this site about Huckabee is a cheap shot, and this one is no different. This is an old story that has been addressed in past Huckabee campaigns. If Huck was such a hug-a-thug advocate, he could have commuted Dumond's sentence, which he did not do. Governors have no power to parole offenders, that is up to the parole board. Tell me about all of Thompson's executive experience, since you are so sensitive to criticism about it.

this is not about FDT...get it straight.

I'd cut the crap if I were you

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

Thompson is above criticism here. Hence the threatening tones. I'm skeeeeered.

freaking dumb...Fred takes a lot of heat here, as do the others.

You were asked to not threadjack ...it's that simple. Do your whining somewhere else.

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

but I don't see Fred taking too much heat on RedState.

If you don't like Fred, then go write a diary a) on who you DO like, and b) why he/she/it is better than Fred. But take your threadjacking and pound sand.

simply list all of FDT's executive experience and I'll stand down.

Stop threadjacking.

Nope, don't care. Stop threadjacking.

Life ain't fair. Stop threadjacking.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

I have commited a heresy.

understand the meaning of either "Posting Rules" or "heresy". We won't miss you when you're gone.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

...the "disruptive behavior" portion of the Posting Rules.

So stop.

This is me being nice, by the way.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

the Hinz Rule is now in effect.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

If you want to take shots at Fred's "lack of executive experience" then go write your own blog. Over on the right hand side of the screen you'll find a link called blog entry. Use it and stop the threadjack here.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

crybaby?

...but your next post is going to indicate that you understand and will comply with the instruction to stop threadjacking.

Are we clear?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

no more heresy against the Deity of Fred by me anymore.

an "Oh s**t!" moment coming.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

'K KLICK'

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

...to act like an adult here.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

You shouldn't feel skeered, just inferior.

"If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one shows up." -Sheriff Bell, No Country For Old Men

Huckaberry? Are you even old enough to vote or is your candidate doing so poorly that you have to resort to name calling?

You're doing no justice for yourself or the candidate you support acting this way. It's no wonder Mitt, Fred (my choice), and Rudy are tanking and Huckabee is surging, look at the difference in supporters. Anyone that suggest that Huckabee doesn't belong is this race is a moron that doesn't take seriously or understand the power of our democracy and should register for American History instead of to vote!

>>>>Anyone that suggest that Huckabee doesn't belong is this race is a moron that doesn't take seriously or understand the power of our democracy and should register for American History instead of to vote!

Good things the thug he got parolled didn't go rape one one of your neighbors.

"If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one shows up." -Sheriff Bell, No Country For Old Men

The subject line should become standard boiler plate when a Huckster acts a fool.

Generally we like to see a stream of related material.

I never knew Fred Thompson, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Rudy Guiliani were so involved day to day in the politics of executive politics when Mike Huckabee was governor. They seem to singlyhandedly responsible for all the negative that Huckabee did and are also singlehandedly trying to tarnish the good pastor's name.

Typical Huckster!

“My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel that parole is the best way for your reintroduction to society to take place.”

Wonderful. Let's turn loose Chales Manson while we're at it.

"If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one shows up." -Sheriff Bell, No Country For Old Men

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I doubt that you know many "ministers" that have also been a Governor.

I, on the other hand, have had the pleasure of knowing several natural leaders who worked in ministry.

Finally, Dial Soap really sucks! But what's the point? Just use a different soap.

LS

"It is one thing to show a man that he is in an error, and another to put him in possession of the truth." - John Locke

Ah, so you'll be pointing-out all the places where York is wrong, has made things up, or has misrepresented what happened in this case.

Presently, right?

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

all I have to say "York". Most will understand what I mean.

Yes, Byron York - a long time, well respected columnist with a well respected Conservative magazine is a hack because "andy13" - an anonymous Huckabot posting at RedState for less than a week - sez so!

My word man, how did we ever get along here without you - and how will we survive once you're blammed?!?!

Hinz Rule.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

...because that's pretty much the message that you were giving out.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

He could just lean on the parole board and get the same result. Please stop trying to defend Bubba Jr. he's not worth it.

Huckabee is not responsible for parole board decisions. He had the power to free Dumond himself, yet he didn't exercise that power.

You're not even a particularly effective Huckaberry.

"If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one shows up." -Sheriff Bell, No Country For Old Men

that is WAAAAY out of bounds, and I hope you get blammed for it.

Family site, you worthless cretin.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

...that title was trash behavior, and I won't have it. We clear?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

In fact, I'm in hearty agreement with it. But we have to keep this place from looking like dKos and the other left-wing places (you know, the ones we call the nutroots).

Ya know why? Because there's a core element of conservatism that requires decency, along with orderly discourse.

A CORE element.

A fundamental, basic building block to conservatism.

I want to make sure you are reading this.

It's THAT important.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

Philosophically, don't entirely agree that decency is fundamental to conservatism, but do agree to mind my tongue here. Deal?

And some day I'll post a diary expounding on my point and we'll all argue it with bullets, blades, and fists like usual.

You know, with decency. :o)

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

But I think his confusion is with the word "forgiveness". Even in theological terms, I can be forgiven but still have to incur some sort of punishment for my transgressions. That punishment is not eternal if I am a Christian, but I certainly may have to deal with worldly punishment for the things I do. Huckabee doesn't seem to understand that difference.

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Those of us of the Protestant ilk don't buy into Purgatory, except as the city in "Support Your Local Sheriff" :-)

BTW, it's also a pretty good made-for-cable movie.

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I hold an ABC (American Baptist Convention) preaching license and have over 20 years of jail/prison ministry experience in the federal prison system, four different state prison systems and two county jail systems. I note this only so you'll understand that the following is more than just an "opinion".

The concept of "Christian forgiveness" has N.O.T.H.I.N.G. to do with parole. It has to do with exactly two things. First and foremost, it has to do with God forgiving my sins against him because Christ paid the price for them on the cross. Second, it has to do with my personal acts of forgiveness to those who have sinned against me. Period.

There is nothing in the theology of forgiveness that has ANYTHING to do with the state.

I am honestly shocked that Bubba Jr. would warp the theology of forgiveness in this way. He should know better, I'm more than pretty familiar with SBC theology and he's so far off base here he's not even in the same zip code as the base. This also gives me pause to wonder where else he'll extend a doctrine or two.
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that the ABC, which I am a member of, issued "preaching licenses".

by the individual congregation. Our congregataion in Salem NH granted mine in 1983.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." ~Professor Dumbledore

I've always gotten more than I've given. No matter how hard I've tried.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

as Daniel Tavares is to Romney..
The murder rate as well as the violent crime rate both increased in Massachusetts while Romney was governor. No doubt he will try to spin, spin, spin this.
The facts speak for themselves.

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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

A Talking Point™ so easily debunked (2nd link from a simple Google search)

Romney was Massachusetts governor from January 2, 2003 through January 4, 2007.7 The latest FBI crime data available is from 2006. From the end of 2002 through 2006, the Massachusetts murder rate increased 7.3%, rape decreased 2.2%, robbery increased 12.0% and aggravated assault decreased 14.8%. Since aggravated assault comprised 65.3% of the 2006 violent crime rate, the overall rate dropped 7.8% from 484.9 in 2002 to 447.0 in 2006.

There is one more factor: Did Massachusetts reflect the overall U.S. violent crime trends during the same time period? For example, if the national violent crime trend was positive, Romney’s record would be remarkable for bucking the general trend.

Compared to the U.S. rates, Massachusetts trailed the murder rate trend by 6.3%, rape by 4.4%, robbery by 9.7%, only beating the national trend in aggravated assault by 7.1%. Again, based upon the fact that aggravated assault comprises nearly two-thirds of the overall violent crime rate, Massachusetts beat the national trend by 3.6%.

Even counting total incidents reported for 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts saw a drop from 31,137 in 2002 to 28,775 in 2006. No matter the comparison––total incidents or rates per 100,000 population––Giuliani was wrong to state that Massachusetts saw a violent crime increase while Romney was governor.

Emphasis added.

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found here.
Or if you trust National Review, you can see a summary here
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

And you know what they show?

A overall drop in violent crime in MA from 2002-2006.

Go ahead and argue Rudy's record is superior. It is - far superior in fact. Makes you wonder why he has to, well, lie about Romney's.

You can withdraw and rephrase anytime you wish.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Except that Romney didn't personally intervene on Tavares' behalf the way the Huckster did for Dumand. That's kind of a big difference.

The problem in the Tavares case wasn't really even the tough prosecutor that Romney put on the bench - it was the incompetent one representing the state in that matter.

regarding crime fighting. See links in my post above.
I'm no fan of Huck's but Mitt was no better regarding crime fighting.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison