I am not going to say "Thank You," MyDD.

You don't deserve thanks...

By Moe Lane Posted in | Comments (47) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »

...for confusing what you'd do if you were us for what we'll do; particularly when it comes to using graphic 9/11 imagery to get John McCain elected. While I think that the footage from that day should be more public, it's not so that my Party can win elections. It's so that my country is reminded who we're currently at war with. Save your contempt for your bathroom mirror.

That being said, the video below is perhaps not a little diagnostic of what topics might alarm the Left; and far be it from me to interfere with a group so determined to launch a full-fledged political civil war, particularly when their utter collapse would be a net benefit for the United States of America. So check it out for that, at least:


See also Instapundit, Hot Air, and The Tiger at Home. And, just remember, Democrats: should Obama win the nomination, you'll be relying on people like the guy who put this together to help the junior Senator from Illinois get elected President in November.

Have a nice day.

Moe Lane


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whitehouse 08 Thankyou so much for that video . It was a real reality check and you know who would be our best commander in chief. Islamofascism started this war.The Liberals do not have the stomach to fight and protect this great wonderful country we live in. John McCain understands what it takes to win this War. Wake up America.

I personally think both parties need to step back for a propaganda check.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Perhaps "parties" was incorrect, although both can be full of themselves.. My bad. Maybe "voters" should better focus on propaganda vrs reality. It's certainly getting harder to define in the smokescreens. AND, I agree that footage of that day should be more public. It should be reminded that Afghanistan attacked us.

Go find a history book. No country attacked. A group of individuals unconnected to any state attacked. We held all states responsible if they harbored this group or others like it.

But, most importantly, Afghanistan did not attack us.

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It's his pseudo-clever (with a heavy emphasis on the "pseudo") way of trying to say that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and therefore Saddam Hussein's genocide, use of chemical weapons, invasion of his southern neighbor, protracted unconventional (read: chemical and biological war) and conventional war with his eastern neighbor, mass slaughter of innocents and filling of mass graves, launching of missiles into Israel as a deterrent against the US-led freeing of Kuwait, paying $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber who blew him or herself up to kill as many Jewish women and children as possible, and flaunting of international will and law were unworthy of coalition intervention (and use in his deposition), and that he (the late Hussein) therefore held the moral high ground in that conflict, rather than the US-led coalition and the current free Iraqi government and citizenry.

Anything else to add, andy42302?

the terrorist training camps located all over Iraq in which he not only trained Hamas and Hezbollah killers but terrorists from any number of other organizations and from any number of countries of origin.

If I implied that I was trying to say that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, I obviously didn't deliver my message well. Let me try once more to insure that I'm not misunderstood. Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

Perhaps if you had more than just your say so, it might come over better. I mean if you had something to show that Saddam had no contact with AQ before 9/11. Or perhaps he had no record of funding terrorist actions. No history of promoting terrorist causes. No record of taking action against the U.S. ? No record of making and using weapons of indiscriminate terror against civilian populations.

I mean it would just blow holes in your case if any of that happened.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

(1) Explain how this thread relates to Iraq, your insipid attempt at threadjacking notwithstanding.

(2) Actually address and respond to my comment directed at you above -- particularly how the late S. Hussein has the moral high ground over the US-led coalition that deposed him.

(3) Go away.

By the way, 1 and 2 are both required, or 3 will be enforced.

1. All RedState posts have something to do with Iraq (or the 2000 Florida recount)

2. Hussein had the moral high ground because he gave money to Democrats, who actually won the 2000 election (and the 2004 Dibold election---that blasted Karl Rove). Giving money to Democrats automatically gives any despot moral high ground, because it shows he supports democracy, just not democracy in his own country. Democrats understand this line of thinking, as it mirrors their own lives: they love poor people, they just don't personally give them any money or help; they love children, just not unborn, helpless children; they love children (again) but they love their malcontent teachers in public school more; they love public schools just not the ones in their hometowns so they have to send their kids to private school.

I would continue to pile one, but you've done so well. Priceless....

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Jeff, was the threadjack you mentioned directed at my comment that voters should focus on propaganda vrs reality or that I agreed with Moe that footage of that day should be more public as it should be a reminder of who we are at war with(and to Adam C., yes I understand that the it really wasn't Afghanistan but rather a small group of thugs and was likely planned in a cave in Afghanistan)? I'm not seeing a threadjack as both was a direct response to the nature of the post. Regardless, I understand the distraction and apologize for that. Assuming my presence here remains and is mutually agreeable (and it's safe to say that it ain't looking good on either side), I'll be more attentive to that.

I'm not sure Jeff, how you can justify your "and therefore" add ons to my statement that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
How does "Saddam Hussein's genocide" equate to Osama scheming his attack? I know we all heard the President use the State of the Union Address to speak of Hussein's genocide and
atrocities such as "rape rooms" in order to sell the invasion of Iraq but he never mentioned Darfur, the genocide there, random gang rapes, and janjaweed pulling babies from mothers arms and tossing them in bon fires. No, I don't think we should attack them either.

Use of chemical weapons-
Although this was part of the language in the Iraq War Resolution, it does not associate a link to the 9/11 attacks.

Invasion of his southern neighbor-
The Persian War had been laid to rest. We rightfully liberated Kuwait. Any further actions was deemed unwise at the time and that concept has now been proven to be correct. This was acknowledged by GWHB and by Dick Chaney then as we both know.

Protracted unconventional (read: chemical and biological war)-
Again, while authorized, does not establish a connection.

Mass slaughter of innocents and filling of mass graves-
Again, a non issue just as Darfur is.

Launching of missiles into Israel as a deterrent against the US-led freeing of Kuwait-
Another dead horse issue that also does not connect Osama wit Saddam.

Paying $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber who blew him or herself up to kill as many Jewish women and children as possible-
Why do we only bring this issue up to pad this agenda while ignoring other atrocities around us?

Flaunting of international will and law were unworthy of coalition intervention (and use in his deposition)-
he (the late Hussein) therefore held the moral high ground in that conflict, rather than the US-led coalition and the current free Iraqi government and citizenry-
I'm not sure that I understand exactly what you're saying or asking but I've never said that intervention was or was not needed. The fear mongering, Colin Powell deception, and misrepresentation of the truth while stifling any rational opposition may have worked and won GWB another 4 years but it falls short of an honorable justification.

I understand that these are old talking points and I don't expect to change anyone's direction of thinking here. If my posts have offended anyone and you'd rather I not make contrary comments, I have no issues with showing myself to the door. Of course, if it feels better to you to utilize option # 3, I understand that too.

eliminate Sadam? Why do you also seem to ignore that the wmb argument was one of the last arguments made for the reason to go to war? Jeff's reasons were, and still remain, the primary reasons why Sadam was a threat.



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We -- McCain campaign? No!
We -- RNC? No!
We -- the blogosphere? D*** Straight!

see it? Sometimes I tire of the fact that we have the ammo but those who can shoot it choose not to. Yes, this video has no nuance, it is in your face and pounding. This is what much of American needs, they need to wake the freak up!

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What I don't get is why. There seems to be such a fear of blowback it has paralyzed our people. Of course in McCain's case he hired a Democrat as his media guru.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

...I'd react badly to it myself - is that the raw 9/11 footage is not appropriate for an internal political campaign. At least, not one against the Democrats. 9/11 was an American failure, and there's simply a line in most voters' heads that the act of showing seeing people fall to their death in a political ad crosses. Including, again, mine.

So, again, it's a shame that one of Clinton's supporters went there, just to go after Obama.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

_approprtate for a political campaign. But I believe it is also true that many leftists and "independents" are inappropriate in their attidude of surrender. These people want to forget 9/11 at best, and at worst, blame America for it. People DO need to wake up and realize there is an enemy out there that wants us dead.

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are getting mixed messages. On the one hand the message from the real world displaying the extent of extremist attitudes and the irrational (by Western standards) behavior; on the other hand our media and political leaders keep trying to tell us that what our lying eyes show us is not reality.

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I am a solid McCain guy - he's been my guy all the way - but I am closer to the middle than most on here.

This type of video totally turns me off. Maybe its good for raising money with the base or maybe it's good for firing up people who are already going to vote for McCain...

BUT... for those in the middle, very, very unappealing IMHO.

I'm not even technically a republican anymore; switched my registration to independent several years ago and have voted for mostly LP candidates since. But I love John McCain; campaigned for him in the 2000 primaries and there is absolutely no question that he'll have my vote in November. That said, this video really turns me off as did the one posted last week conflating Obama and (amongst others) Malcom X. I really hope that the 527s don't overplay their hands with this stuff.

-exits

attempt to obliterate Senator McCain? They right now have 20 million dollars and have started ads against him.....and we conservatives and Republicans are supposed to suck it up and do nothing? This is politics it is hardball and it ain't pretty....I hope that when their sleazy lying ads come out that you will do a diary of how offended you are at them...because you will be more offended by their ads than anything a Republican 527 could ever dream to put out.

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I really don't know what kind of ads one could run against McCain's character beyond the ancient keating stuff and some of the politics as usual lobbying gotchas. If any group were to attack him on his service record, I would be offended, but I don't expect that to happen because it's obviously not a winning strategy.

The point of my post was just to point out that playing hardball is only useful if it's effective. I'm not saying that Wright should be off limits, I'm saying that this particular video, and the one from last week, go over the top. I'm not much of a partisan republican anymore, but I still consider myself more a part of the conservative movement than not, and if the stuff bothers me, it's going to bother a lot of the exact voters we need to win.

-exits

And, "100 years" . . . "100 years" . . . "bomb Iran" . . . "100 years."

There'll be many a video with that montage.

Unfortunately I am even more exasperated now.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Moe, you're the most blog savvy writer on this site, and yet here you pull a Bill O'Reilly and imply in your title that offensive user-generated content is MyDD-sanctioned.

The Instapundit story is careful enough to note this distinction, though Ed Morrissey at Hot Air is sloppy enough to one-up you and declare that the MyDD user actually created the video. (I, at least, don't see evidence of this.)

Also, it looks like Maureen McKnight and Doc Holliday above have a more enthusiastic and utilitarian opinion of the video than you think Republicans should.

To wit, that there's hella people starting to really sharpen their knives over on the other side - and that the backs that they're staring at aren't actually ours.

The fact that you read what I wrote the way you did is merely serendipity. Given that their side routinely blames us for everything short of sunspot activity anyway, you'll understand that I've come down with this sudden attack of not caring. :)

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

...the one exposing how Karl Rove has sent out the secret signal to his fellow comrades in crime initiating his plot to carry out a coup to keep the Bush administration in office.

Of course it's all written cleverly in scientific gobblygook about new and old sunspot cycles, but any blue-blooded conspiracist can decipher the code contained within to understand that the return of sunspots from the old solar cycle 23 is Karl's doing, representing his signal for announcing the start of his nefarious plot.

And Rightly So!

My favorite part was reading the comments that followed the video. Man were there some pissed off MyDD folks. But my favorite comment is this:

If MyDD still cares, as a site, about being viewed as a Democratic and Progressive site, this diary will be deleted and its wingnut author banned.

Says everything you ever wanted to know about our "progressive" friends, no?

Democrats: nominate Obama if you dare...here's what's in store...he'll get crushed over Rev. Wright...etc.

It's no secret that most of us would much rather run against Hillary than Obama -- the devil you know, etc. And, beyond that, I think we all realize that the Dems will be in a crisis if they flip the nomination to Hillary with Obama having the most plausible claim to it come early June.

I just can't help escape the impression that all these warnings about Pastorgate are really more of an indication of how much we don't want the most likely scenario to play out: Obama seals up the nomination, Hillary tries in vain to wrest it from him, and the Obama-led Democratic Party whips our butts in November.

The best way to stop that is to make Democrats think twice about nominating him in the first place.

Sigh -- it just says too much about the sorry state of the GOP and the conservative movement.

Although a Brer Rabbit reference would be viewed as racist by the media, what with Uncle Remus, the tar baby, and all.

However, I must say that I'm not so sure that Obama won't be an easier opponent than Hillary. He's barely been touched by negative coverage and yet he can't put Hillary away and he's not polling all that far ahead of McCain (if at all). I think he's a paper tiger.

I think we need to keep in mind this isn't something put together by republicans. Those who have commented on the illustrative properties of this regarding the democrat quandary understand this. Unless the dems get their white knight, this thing will continue the ugly downward spiral - bad for them, good for the country & us.

It seems the Boomers all can remember where they were when JFK died but this tragic/epic moment would gladly be forgotten by most. I personally agree with the link however others might get their "feelings" hurt by watching such heart-wrenching visions of our neighbors, relatives, friends, and countrymen suffering horrible deaths. They rather cheer on our setbacks and watch footage cut by Michael Moore and friends. I have an idea...just have the uncut footage played periodically to remind us that although a one-time occurance we can't afford to stop our vigiliance nor cower from a real enemy.

add footage of the Marine Barracks in Beirut, the USS Cole, the first Trade Center bombing, and any number of airliners blown out of the sky in the past 20 years by terrorists.

We are at war...we have been at war...we were just not aware of it.

Mr. Hinz you are more than right I should have been more specific and defined "one-time occurance" as a one-time occurance of devastating terrorism committed by Islamic terrorists on American soil. We could also add the first World Trade attack, Munich 72 Olympics, Achille Largo, American Embassy hostages, East African Embassy attacks, the list could go on forever...

..when responding to a comment, use the "Reply to This" link on the comment you are responding to. This will be your only warning.

AND, hm....the first item on your "foreign" list also happened on American soil. A bit geographically challenged, perhaps?

Sorry I am a little inexperienced at this but thanks for the heart-felt welcome! And thanks for questioning my intelligence but when you read the sentence prior to my "foreign" list I said: "Mr. Hinz you are more than right I should have been more specific and defined 'one-time occurance' as a one-time occurance of DEVASTATING terrorism committed by Islamic terrorists on American soil."

AND,hm....A bit literacy challenged?

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whitehouse 08 Terrorism is a clear and present danger and American politicians are imperling the nation with their inability to meet the challenge head-on. Unless this threat is recognized and acted upon, the world will face a terrifying, dystopian future where Europe as we know it will no longer exists, Judeo- christianity has succumed to relentless attacks and our countryhas been destroyed.

whitehouse 08 Terrorism is a clear and present danger and American politicians are imperling the nation with their inability to meet the challenge head-on. Unless this threat is recognized and acted upon, the world will face a terrifying, dystopian future where Europe as we know it will no longer exists, Judeo- christianity has succumed to relentless attacks and our countryhas been destroyed.

It will be up to the independent 527s and the individual patriots to get stuff like this into public discourse. The McCain campaign and the RNC will never do it- it would turn off too many people and the media would spend a week savaging them. But there have been 51,000 views of this video now- no reason we can't get it up to a few hundred thousand on our own. This election will be won in the trenches- not by the national committees.

Obama is Jimmy Carter- only without the sweater.

After reading all of the comments with the MYDD post -- I find that the most disgusting, disturbing item, is not the videos of the 9/11 attacks and those poor souls jumping/falling to their death (as opposed to being burned or buried alive minutes later) would be used in a political ad

but that those (liberal/progressives) posting thought the act of including these scenes in a mock up (fake) 527 ad was horrible but not one addressed the horror of the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

How is it that liberals can be so outraged and angry that someone would dare to use this imagery -- but not one expressed outrage or anger over the Islamic terrorists who murdered those people falling to their deaths.

Not one poster said "Damn those terrorists and their ilk". Not one posted that Reverend Wright should not have said those things. Why is it acceptable for Reverend Wright to preach hatred and bigotry because of events that ended over 50 to 150 years ago, but acts of hatred that occurred 7 years ago must be brushed aside?

I guess they have "progressed" or "moved on". Maybe people should see that those "chickens who came home to roost" were steering commercial aircraft into buildings that day.

M Penny

 
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