I am shocked! Shocked! At this advertisement by the NC GOP.
Shocked, I say!
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(Via Hot Air) How could the NC GOP think to intervene in the Democratic primary in this way?
They even have a contribution button up, the cheeky so-and-sos - as if we'd give them money for the express purpose of making our opponents' lives miserable. No, no, the McCain campaign is quite right to decry this, and it's such a crying shame that he cannot of course in good conscience interfere with what is strictly an internal decision by the NC GOP. We're just going to have to live it, alas.
Bad NC GOP! Bad! No biscuit.
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but I am currently a NC resident... to the next poster, I did live in Chicago at one point as well as DC and Kenya. I move around so they can't find me. *cue conspiracy theory music*
Seriously though, I was born and raised in Oklahoma and I will always be an Okie. I'm in NC for a few years and will be leaving next summer. But I'm here for this cycle so I'm following stuff while I'm around.
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Not everyone's perfect so, not everyone can be a Horn :-) Hook Em Sooner!
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."-Barry Goldwater
Rudy/Romney for VP-because someone's got to punch the hippies.
and it's not by accident. :)
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Will Adam be co-starring win Hayden Christensen in Jumper 2?
On a slightly more serious note, you sure do get around!
AzRenegade
....are a good tool. I definitely want this ad to run, I just wish it was an "independent" 527 group. That way the GOP could have plausible deniability, and McCain wouldn't have to denounce the ad.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
...such as the Bill Cunningham deal, but this was unnecessary.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Could there be an opening for a "Unity in America PAC" that runs ads about divisive public figures and encourages Americans to reject them?
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It isn't the fact that the issue is being raised. (It is a legit. issue). However, it's the fact that the Republican party raised it. The Wright issue (if played the wrong way) could open up McCain to charges that he is racially insensitive. I think that the lefty bloggers already would like to tar him as such, which is why McCain has been spending quite a bit of time courting the African American community (i.e. Selma, the MLK speech, his visit to New Orleans). McCain doesn't expect to win any votes in the Lower Ninth Ward, but he does realize that his presence will blunt any unfair attacks that the Dems. try in the fall. So the ad hurts him in that way.
As for attacks, I think that the Obama-Ayers connection is probably going to turn out to be more fruitful. It coincides nicely with the meme that the Republicans are trying to create for Obama (out of touch leftist) and it subtly reminds voters exactly where McCain was in the late 60s in comparison to Mr Ayers.
You don't think they'll play that game anyway?
If you don't think the Dems will call McCain a racist whether this ad runs or not I've got some ocean front property to sell you in San Antonio!
I'm sick of seeing the GOP leadership bringing a knife to a gun fight...I say, "If your gonna get painted as an intolerant bigot anyway...why not just tell the truth and not worry about whether you're giving the Dems a reason!"
It's time for the GOP to grow a backbone and play the Democrats game and stop worrying about what Pinch, Katie, Charlie, or Stone say about you!
--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther
...because he is, sadly, a complete creature of instinct.
Now, I support John McCain, as the far lesser of three evils - but let's not kid ourselves:
There is no one faster to embrace his political foes and pee on his allies then John McCain. And if you don't believe it, just wait til he's President, and he champions the Fairness Doctrine, or some other noxious, free speech limiting nostrum favored by the media.
every one of the 50 states should be up with ads tying local liberals to Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers. If we flood the zone, it will set the foundation to take out Obama in the fall on policy positions which reinforce his leftist ideology.
"Small town folks get bitter after which they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment."
There was a longer version making the rounds a few weeks ago which just sort of conflated Obama with various, random objectionable black people which I thought was pretty offensive. But this doesn't seem out of bounds to me; not sure what the McCain campaign's object is.
-exits
to keep these issues alive.
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
Reaching across the aisle, and sometimes walking across; it's all in the spirit of John McCain's political strategy of the last 8 years. Operation Chaos, however, is working.
-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --
I say keep ads like this coming every day until Nov.
“Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the Democrats believe every day is April 15.”
-Ronald Reagan
America deserved the Katrina disaster....yeah, sounds about the same to me. i wouldn't jump all over this.
McCain dutifully sat in the pews of Rev. Hagee's church for 20 years.
Perhaps you should concentrate on the mantra that "the voters don't care"; or in the alternative go back to dailykos where your nonsense resonates.
How could you have known about the feet of clay? It's not like Senator Obama walks around barefoot.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I for one am wondering what NAME he posts under!!
Maybe we've been chating with him all this time...
Neil?..Are you really Rush?...
"40 million American households with guns are generally happier
than those people in households that don't have guns."
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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater
Proud North Carolinian here....
Briefly considered partaking in Operation Chaos, but we have some crucial local races here -- David Price in my district has to go, (he recently stated, "earmarks have gotten a bad rap") and with Mike Easley's reign over, I'm hoping to see a good conservative take the helm.
I actually went to the Hillsborough Library yesterday and did my early voting. Noticed the NC Dems outside, but no one for the GOP.
As for the video, I'd read a headline that the NCGOP had a vid up that linked dems with Wright, but hadn't seen it till now. I must say, it's an interesting, well-timed tactic :)
Brian
You might have run into my Mother-in-law, she does some precinct work there in Hillsborough (she'd be an Obama supporter though, but I can't help that, hehe). I used to live in Cary and was stuck with Price when I was there too. I think he's a congressman until we can redistrict him out (I assume the Dems still have the legislature there, so we need to take that over prior to 2010).
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of the North Carolina GOP many years ago, I can tell you that decisions to run campaign ads, such as this one, are made independently by the NC-GOP. God bless them!!
These ads are best coming from 527s and not the GOP or McCain campaign, but let's be clear we're going to have to run against Obama's judgement. BOH has made his judgement a central tenant to his campaign (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru1qXymGvIc) in an effort to blunt his utter lack of experience when compared to McCain. BOH's argument is basically, "I'm the smartest guy in the room which means I have the best judgement and that's what matters most on foreign policy decisions, not experience".
The best (and legitimate) line of attack on BOH's "superior" judgement is who he surrounds himself with in his inner circle. No better measure of our judgement than the company we keep. This absolutely brings into play his anti-Semite paster, anti-capitalist Weather Underground pal he launched his first campaign with and his I'm finally proud of my country wife. They are all a reflection of the real BOH under the packaged centrist shine and a measure of his judgement. This is what will make the culture of his White House and the cast of characters that will influence his decisions the most.
The MSM will immediately beat back these "personal attacks" and demand McCain lead the way in denouncing each and every one of them whether from a 527 or a state party. The MSM isn't going to force this stuff into the public domain, and once Hillary is gone there will be no one left to do it other than 527s, the party and the McCain campaign. If McCain goes too far down this road of "civility" and being "respectful" he'll be just as neutered as the Bush White House with its "new tone" and we will end up with the Weather Underground hanging out in the White House while the McCain campaign did the dirty work of denouncing those that dare pulled the rug up on that possibility prior to the election.
"Honor is self-esteem made visible in action." - Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974
The MSM isn't going to force this stuff into the public domain, and once Hillary is gone there will be no one left to do it other than 527s, the party and the McCain campaign. If McCain goes too far down this road...we will end up with the Weather Underground hanging out in the White House
FYI, McCain has already raised the Obama-Ayers connection himself:
Ayers was part of a tiny minority of far-left terrorists.
But Reverend Wright is a more difficult situation. The brutal and sad fact of the matter is that conspiracy theories and suspicion of white folks are widespread within the African-American community. Even Condoleeza Rice isn't entirely immune to those lingering feelings of bitterness, based on what she herself said. So if you ridicule such notions or, even worse, personally attack those blacks who make the charges, you risk alienating much of the black community and leaving yourself open to a charge of racial prejudice. Obama knows this. McCain knows this.
At some point, the racial paranoia that's endemic to urban black America needs to be addressed head on. I give Obama credit for even alluding to it in his speech on race issues--no other mainstream politician has ever dared to mention it. But now, in the middle of a Presidential campaign, is not the time to force that issue to a debate.
Ayers was part of a tiny minority of far-left terrorists.
So? Does this make it all "better?"
So if you ridicule such notions or, even worse, personally attack those blacks who make the charges, you risk alienating much of the black community and leaving yourself open to a charge of racial prejudice.
So ... if you challenge the notion (and the notion's spreaders) that AIDS was created by white people to wipe out black people, that will "alienate" black people?
Maybe it escaped your notice, but people who believe such idiocy are often Troofers as well, which means they would never vote Republican anyway. I really can't imagine that there is some guy somewhere who would be all set to vote for John McCain until he hears that John McCain disputes that the US Government invented AIDS to wipe out Africa and convert it to farmland.
Second, McCain may have put on his maverick act and gotten some media love, but he's still a Republican. And that means he is going to be hit with accusations of racism as a matter of course - it is nothing more than the standard Democrat SOP.
At some point, the racial paranoia that's endemic to urban black America needs to be addressed head on. I give Obama credit for even alluding to it in his speech on race issues - no other mainstream politician has ever dared to mention it.
I give him none whatsoever. What was he doing for the last twenty years while his "mentor" was further spreading this mind-destroying nonsense in the black community? What was he doing taking his daughters to listen to that crap? Might as well give him credit for chewing before he swallows.
But now, in the middle of a Presidential campaign, is not the time to force that issue to a debate.
On the contrary, this is the perfect time, and it should continue long after. The people who make a living out of spreading this sort of divisive crap count on people like you to silently sit by while they drive wedges between the black community and the rest of America.
There's no better time than the present to land on them like a ton of bricks.
and may I add freaking stooopid as well.
"tiny minority of far left terrorists"...wow
" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised
Preach it brother!!!
What do I need to do to become a member of the Church of Martin?
LOL
--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther
And, the GOP ended up with a lesser candidate for the general: Result: Gabrielle Giffords, Democrat in a majority Republican district!
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Me, too...I'm shocked! ;-)
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Doesn't Mac-Fngld CampFin Reform keep McCain from directly influencing this obvious right of free speech by people of NC?
-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred but where is he?--
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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater
No, no, you missed the point of McCain-Feingold. The purpose is that free speech can be limited if it is not honorable (because we're better than that).
McCain because of his years of public service is able to be a judge of what is honorable. Therefore he is well within McCain-Feingold to influence this obviously dishonorable ad.
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
Apparently this came up with President Bush complained about SBVFT last time around, but the FEC didn't do anything one way or the other.
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them to pull it. I think the presumption is that the nominee will get his way. Just like nominating an RNC chair is not legally the nominee's right (IIRC), but there is a presumption that his choice will be approved.
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I also sent a scathing email to the RNC about how this is just one reason they won't get another dime from me. (I don't bother writing the McCain campaign, I just delete all their spam unread.)
This is a GREAT ad. This also shows why Operation Chaos is needed. The RNC and McCain campaign have totally wimped out.
Still got my Fred stickers and they're staying put.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
....that McCain will denounce the ad publicly, while actually approving of it in private. He'll say, "I can't force the NC GOP to do anything". That way he can give the appearance of being against it.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
He wants to have an honorable and above-board debate on issues and ideals. Partisans can question the efficacy of such a decision, but in this respect McCain is an idealist.
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But I doubt McCain will go beyond making a statement and sending a few emails to try and stop it.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Look...McCain want's to box with a street fighter...
The problem with the GOP is that they insist on fighting like gentlemen with people that will use anything they can get their hands on.
We jab and the Dems crush a trash can over our head, we try an uppercut and the Dems bust us over the head with a 2X4, we try an overhand right the Dems hit us with brass knuckles we dance in the ring and try to face our opponent while the Dem's manager trip us from our oponents corner...
Meanwhile we keep playing to the referee, (the MSM) and asking that the other side play fair while the referee smashes a chair over our head.
Let's stop the namby pamby BS and fight fire with fire!
Time to grow a penis and act like men!
--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther
Rush/Hannity/Mitt fought "like men" and smeared McCain any way they could. McCain called for arguments on policy and for people to look at his experience and his views. He won.
Not saying it's the exact same thing. But he's weathered unfair, biased attacks with a magnanimous ability to stay focused on issues. Unlike partisans, most swing voters don't like "gotcha" politics. It may win their vote against the other guy, but it's part of why politics and politicians are so reviled. And it's a nice change to see someone who wants to win on his ideas, not on the other guy's faults.
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I still say McCain is where he is not because of where he was on issues but because we were so divided between so many flawed candidates that McCain was able to sneak in the back door before the party could unify against him!
--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther
I said that he won while arguing we should focus on issues and policy, not on "gotcha" politics.
I'm not saying it's the right or wrong way to do things. But he was up against a barrage of personal attacks and stayed on the high road. It worked. In fact, in worked despite some major disagreements among Rs on some of his issue positions.
But I'm not going to try to talk you out of your self-serving view that Rudy, Huck, Romney, and Fred were "flawed candidates."
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Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying we should ignore issues...I prefer an issues oriented debate...When Republicans can draw Democrats into these types of debates we win...My issue is that the first thing that must be established in any negotiation abd I would argue any debate is that you need to establish the idea in your opponents head that you are ready and able to defeat him on any ground using any means he choses to fight you on.
I would contend that by simply saying "I want to have a civil debate and that I won't fight you if you get in the gutter" is the same as saying get in the gutter because you can kneecap me and I won't do anything to defend myself.
--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther
Are you asking if they are all human? Yeah, they are. Can you name a cycle where either party had 5 perfect candidates they had to choose from?
These were all qualified people with good and bad points. The idea that this field was somehow weaker than normal is silly. The open nature of it meant it drew several of the most qualified people to run. If Bush had peaked GOV Keating or GOV Ridge as VP and they were running now, perhaps 1 of these guys would have run against the VP.
I think it is arguable that this election had the most qualified candidates of any recent GOP primary.
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Our Big 5 were all (at the minimum) decently qualified, with good resumes and proven leadership skills. Every one of them.
This was NOT a weak field. And when you compare them to the resumes and (the quest for) proven leadership skills on the Dem side, it's an embarrassment of riches we had to choose among.
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Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
Possibly....My main point is....There ware enough differences between the candidates on specific issues to keep the party from unifying behind one....I'm saying all that to say McCain didn't win because he was more civil and focused more on issues it was more because everyone had written him off for dead after last summer and he snuck in under the wire while we were all fighting with each other.
--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther
I'm surprised to see such life from the local party. Wow.
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