In Which Republicans Learn Something Valuable
By Pejman Yousefzadeh Posted in 2008 | The Weaknesses Of Hillary Clinton — Comments (10) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
I didn't watch Tuesday night's debate between the Democratic Presidential candidates, but it appears that Hillary Clinton had quite the bad night:
We now know something that we did not know before: When Hillary Clinton has a bad night, she really has a bad night.
In a debate against six Democratic opponents at Drexel University here Tuesday, Clinton gave the worst performance of her entire campaign.
It was not just that her answer about whether illegal immigrants should be issued driver's licenses was at best incomprehensible and at worst misleading.
It was that for two hours she dodged and weaved, parsed and stonewalled.
And when it was over, both the Barack Obama and John Edwards campaigns signaled that in the weeks ahead they intend to hammer home a simple message: Hillary Clinton does not say what she means or mean what she says.
And she gave them plenty of ammunition Tuesday night.
Asked whether she still agrees with New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, Clinton launched into a long, complicated defense of it.
But when Chris Dodd attacked the idea a moment later, Clinton quickly said: "I did not say that it should be done."
Read the whole thing. Indeed, Senator Clinton found herself caught between a rock and a hard place on the issue and she lost points thanks to the inconsistent way in which she gave answers as well as her general tone and demeanor.
Read on . . .
Of course, it got worse the morning after the debate:
A day after she appeared to struggle to give her views on the subject, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered support today for Gov. Eliot Spitzer's effort to award New York driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, as her campaign sought to contain potentially damaging fallout from what her own supporters saw as a tense and listless debate performance.
Mrs. Clinton's statement affirming her support of Mr. Spitzer in his office came less than a day after she offered a muddled and hesitant position on the bill, prompting a round of denunciations by her opponents. It signaled the extent to which her advisers viewed that moment as the biggest misstep she made in the debate, and one with long-term potential to undermine her candidacy.
"Senator Clinton supports governors like Governor Spitzer who believe they need such a measure to deal with the crisis caused by this administration's failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform,'" her campaign said.
Mrs. Clinton's aides said her statement was intended to signal that she broadly supported Mr. Spitzer's goal of awarding driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Mr. Spitzer initially proposed a blanket program of awarding full-fledged driver's licenses to illegal immigrants; in the face of sharp opposition from the Legislature, he backed off and presented a two-tier program system of awarding licenses to illegal immigrants.
Mrs. Clinton's advisers said that she had not studied either plan, and was not specifically endorsing either of them.
Yeah. That clears up everything. And the post-debate spin is predictable:
After a rare night of fumbles by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, her rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination rushed to maximize the damage yesterday, even as her advisers argued that the "piling on" engaged in by an all-male field of opponents will ultimately drive more female voters into her camp.
Clinton strategists grudgingly acknowledged that the performance in Tuesday's debate in Philadelphia was not her finest and sought to contain the fallout. They worked to clarify her muddled response to a question about whether she supports giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants -- she backs it, they said -- and quickly produced a video, titled "The Politics of Pile-On," splicing together in rapid-fire fashion rivals' attacks from the event.
How unbelievably bizarre. Hillary Clinton is the front runner for the Democratic Presidential nomination. It stands to reason, therefore, that her opponents were going to go after her. If any of her opponents were the front runner, she would go after them at least as vigorously. And yet, this behavior is to be denounced as "The Politics of Pile-On"? Who comes up with this stuff?
Whatever. One thing is abundantly clear: Through a combination of doublespeak and a marked lack of charisma and ability to connect with viewers, Hillary Clinton has revealed her vulnerabilities for all to see. I suspect that Barack Obama was the Democratic Presidential candidate who profited the most from Clinton's poor debating performance. But the person who really ought to take away some valuable lessons from Tuesday night's Democratic Presidential debate is the eventual Republican nominee who will (unless there are more such debate performances) face Hillary Clinton in a contest for the Presidency in 2008.
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At 48 years of age I have too few years left to waste 120 minutes of my remaining time on Earth watching a Democratic Presidential Primary Debate. However, after hearing other discussions and perusing the transcripts, I have to agree that Clinton's performance was lamentable and has thoroughly pierced her aura of inevitablity visa vis the Democratic Party nomination.
However, she will be the Democratic Party'e nominee. The candidate who scored the most points off Hillary is John Edwards who is fading faster than perfectly colored hair in a North Carolina summer. Who scored the most points off of Hillary is about as meaningful as asking who scored the most points in the last 10 minutes of a New England Patriots game. When it is 42-3 entering the 4th quarter "It doesn't matter."
The democratic Candidate who NEEDED to score the points is...Barack Obama and his performance in the debate was only marginally better than Clinton's. Chris Dodd had a decent performance but he polls inside the margin of immediate family and paid staffers.
So I agree. The Republicans have things to learn from this debate. The country can be saved from a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Hell, the Dennis Kucinich or Al Sharpton of the Republican Party, Ron Paul could defeat Clinton in a debate.
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They can't bring themselves to do it. Without that, and in future debates, Hillary's in trouble. Even retreating and amending her positions to be more in line with her opponents and the crazed left won't get her off the hook, and that's the only direction she can take.
If the media doesn't fall right behind her, and some doubts may now start to arise, it's going to be a rough primary season. This is the real Hillary, take away the boilerplate emotions of control and power that are her inner core and you have a stumbling, slow thinking woman who at times sounds like she has a speech impediment.
Forget what the Republicans will learn, whatever they learn from the debate won't be put into practice, and if it is and Hillary manages to get the nomination, the media will rip the GOP candidate to shreds.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
i predicted that she would come out with a clarifying statement that would be neither "yes" or "no". she just can't bring herself to do it, bless her heart.
she can't afford to let people know what she is. If she loses the media she loses it all. If she wasn't dangerous she would be pathetic. No surprise and I don't know why anybody else would be, saw it all in the first Lazio debate.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
She just met a moderator/interviewer that she couldn't intimidate into submission. She usually sets things up in advance so that she is never on the spot. That seems to be why she handles tough questions so poorly. The lesson here is to find out what the fix is and nuetralize it before she gets up on the platform.
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men."
What I learned is a man or group of men can not attack a woman. The camera man and 9 out of 10 questions were against Hillary . Even with MSNBC's help Obama could not make it to home plate.It was Edwards that knock it over the fence.When Hillary and Mitt debate he will not attack her .Ann Romney somehow must take her on,as first lady to first lady comparisons perhaps on the days of the debates.
than the transcript if you got to listen to it on one of the talk radio shows. The alleged answer on NY illegal alien driver's licenses was an audio caricature of Hillary's waffling. Bill Clinton has more training to do.
What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi
and Hillary has already gone into "hold-the-lead" mode, and it showed in that illegal licensing exchange. Obama & Edwards are in full offensive mode to try to close the gap. Like in sports, Queen Hillary needs to learn that you can't just shut down the offense in the middle of the game - you must continue to attack and run up the score.
Not that we need to offer her any suggestions to help her succeed or anything...
“I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels” - John Calvin

Don't nominate someone with a lot of baggage like Rudy or Fred