Irrefutable Proof Fred Thompson Must Become President
Thompson Slaps Down Moore After Debate Challenge
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Read this.
And then watch this:
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Love that he's chomping the cigar, nice touch.
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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson
Newt is still about 100 points ahead of everyone else, but Fred just inched a little closer. Classic.
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And statesmen at her council met
Who knew the seasons when to take
Occasion by the hand, and make
The bounds of freedom wider yet
- Tennyson, _To the Queen_
The Thompson Ramp Up continues.
Having a great sense of humor in the White House would restore an important American presidential tradition which abruptly ended in January 1989.
I loved the way he turned back to his desk to go back to work. Love that theatrical timing.
Run Fred Run!!!
I can't wait for the campaign commercials Fred's gonna crank out. Wow. Pure internet gold right there.
Run, Fred! Run!
The best and worse of Fred. In many ways, he certainly is the most appealling candidate, but he's not debating, he's not being forced to think on his feet, and he's not doing anything with hostile audiences. Yet, he still messed up.
This was obviously scripted, so of course it is going to look pretty good, but he made a major mistake on a scripted response. That looks awfully bad. If he screws up scripted responses, how is he going to react off the cuff.
If you really care about Fred, you may want to tell him to edit this piece. It's confusing. Nicolás Guillén is a Cuban legend and hero. Nicolás Guillén Landrián is the persecuted film maker.
but I think his "mistake" might be technically O.K. Spanish last names work differently than ours do:
Your "first last name" is your father's and is your "real" last name; your second is your mothers, and can be omitted. Guillen Landrian is usually referred to by both to avoid confusion with his uncle, but it isn't technically necessary, especially since Fred made it clear to which of the two he was referring.
W managed to get elected twice and he is pretty ineffective at communication whether scripted or not. Just about anybody else would be an improvement in that area.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
at US journalistic convention to see that this was not a "flub."
Fidel Castro, presumably, had mother and father yet we don't call him Fidel Castro Gonzalez. Same for Vicente Fox and Manuel Noriega. There is an amazing lack of confusion.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
this obit consistently refers to him as 'guillen'.
"Nicolás Guillén Landrián, a painter and Cuban filmmaker who was once accused of trying to assassinate Fidel Castro, died on July 22 from pancreatic cancer. He was 65.
Although Guillén directed 18 documentaries and won several awards at film festivals in Europe, he was expelled from Cuba's Institute of Cinematography for making a movie that mocked the Cuban dictator. In the late 1960s, Guillén was accused of plotting to kill Castro. He was imprisoned for two years, then confined for nearly a decade to mental institutions where he was subjected to electroshock therapy."
sorry i can do the cool quotes.
link to the obit:
http://www.blogofdeath.com/archives/000195.html
Here's how:
‹blockquote›Put your cool source text here! ‹/blockquote›
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
I ask only that you use your powers for good and not for evil.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
That's the full name of the poet. His father was also a Nicolás Guillén---Nicolás Guillén Urra, to be precise.
Fred is technically correct, but I agree with you that it's confusing.
1. He did it off the top of his head, in one take.
2. He was aware of the name difference, but before doing the video, he consulted with a Cuban American professor in Florida, who informed him that the documentarian, in fact, did not normally use "Landrian", so FDT did not use it.
is a much overrated skill, made "important" by the TV "debates." It requires an awful lot of quotation marks to write that statement, which should make my point.
A Presiedent is always in the position of being able to consider his options before acting, because the really bad emergencies have already been considered before-the-fact. But we'll see how Fred does, when he gets in.
“Political Correctness” is just short for “Capitulation to Extortion.”
sometimes I think we should choose our leaders like the Lillaputians, see which one can walk on a tightrope the best.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
I'll agree with you when CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and the rest of the MSM does. Thompson isn't running in a vacuum. The day he declares, expect all the negativity any other candidate has recieved. No one is going to change the debate format for Fred. If he wins, he will have to stand toe to toe with Hillary on a national stage. So yeah, he better be quick on his feet. And as much as I hate the b**ch, she is a skilled politician and she will chew up any Republican who issues position papers, produced videos and adheres the view that "thinking on ones feet" in overrated.
I was referring to the fact that it isn't a skill important to carrying out the business of being President.
I didn't say that it hasn't become important to getting elected, even though it's irrelevant to the job. Somehow, I think Fred is up to both challenges. Getting elected, however and fortunately, depends on far more than being quick with a quip--just ask Lloyd Bentsen, who delivered the most devastating put-down ever during his debate, but still lost.
I stand by my statement.
I noticed in last night's debate that Tommy Thompson now knows how many people have been lost in Iraq {as of yesterday}. That's an answer with a two-week delay.
“Political Correctness” is just short for “Capitulation to Extortion.”
bigger fish to fry than michael moore.
lol.
"bigger fish" than Michael Moore?
Ummm... wouldn't that be called a "whale"... and aren't those mammals?
lol... sorry... couldn't resist.
"Even when you fall on your face, you're still moving forward."
This guy would carry 45 states.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
"If I wanted to debate an idiot I'd talk to my son-in-law". But this works too.
Disclaimer: Of course I have no idea if Mr. Thompson has a son-in-law or what kind of person he is, it's a joke afterall.
"Cowards cut and run, Marines never do"
I have it on good authority:
1. He did it off the top of his head, in one take.
2. He was aware of the name difference, but before doing the video, he consulted with a Cuban American professor in Florida, who informed him that the documentarian, in fact, did not normally use "Landrian", so FDT did not use it.
Fred is awesome, and he has gravitas.
Fred can properly pronounce the word "nuclear", which gives him a leg up on the current occupant of the White House.
I have a great deal of respect for President Bush's tenacity in the face of the greatest threat of our times, and other strengths of character as well. But my stomach churns when I hear him speak - waiting for the malapropism to appear. His ringing conviction and clarity of expression in the post 9/11 talks gave way to a reversion to mangled syntax and verbal stubbed toes a few months later.
Thompson turned the debate on its head. I was expecting FT to refute the specifics of Moore's charges. Instead Thompson transformed the argument from one of contraband cigars and healthcare reform and corruption "allegations" to one of torture and repression. Who cares about that stuff compared to such gross crimes? Brilliant. And FT leaves the field of battle on the moral high ground, looking Presidential.
And Moore is just being a media whore plugging a stupid movie.
"The pain inflicted by your country's indifference is tenfold that inflicted by your ruthless captors."
Rep Sam Johnson on the House floor commenting on his experience as a Vietnam POW
Quick response, not too serious, but serious enough.
NOW GET IN THE RACE F F S
If Fred runs, he'll look back at the day that Moore asked for the debate as pure gold. He didn't have to spend one dime and Drudge has it plastered. Almost everyone reads Drudge, even and more importantly, those who don't read Blogs on a regular basis. Everyone knows what a jerk Moore is and Fred takes him down, giving us the RED MEAT we so bitterly long for and one HUGE LOL:))) Well done, Senator, well done!
Well... it's not "irrefutable proof" of anything, but it does show Thompson has a good sense of humor and can deal with a lib the way they deserve to be dealt with.
As they say these days, MM got "pwned" hardcore. Something tells me he's not going to be challenging FT to any more debates.
The mans appeal. For the partisans who say they're not impressed, go find yourself a tree to cry under. You guys can't handle one moment of fun and somebody letting their guard down and it's ridiculous. Thompson is turning into something special.
This is "awesome"?
I'm far from a Michael Moore fan...just the way he fixates on the most minute of minute details like "box upon box of cigars", drives me utterly insane.
That said, I can't help but view Mr. Thompson's comment as that classic logical fallacy: the non sequiter. Per tankertodd's comment above, Moore asks for a U.S. health care debate, and Thompson replies about a Cuban torture/corruption case? And that's a good thing? Not to mention the "maturity" with which Mr. Thompson led off the piece...hardly Presidential.
Here I am looking for a little truth, honestly, and forthrightness, and all I get is a childish taunt and an illogical change of subject. I guess politics really is all about gunslinging, smarmy putdowns, sound bites, and rooting for your horse.
Envisioning the day where politics is analogous to intelligent and civilized discourse.
but that pompous gasbag deserves no serious dialog, and certainly no audience with a serious Presidential candidate. He's a media and Dem darling, with no serious talent, intellect, or insight that makes him special. Made a coupla movies, mostly smear jobs with no
FT is a 8-year United States Senator who wrote and sponsored numerous bills. There's much more on his resume.
The pompous gasbag publicly challenged the Senator to a spitting duel -- how could ANYBODY imagine that such a 'debate' would be anything other than a useless media spectacle. The Senator succinctly and elegantly put the arrogant little poseur in his place. Publicly, the same way he was challenged.
If you are looking for truth, honest, and a little forthrightness, first of all you won't find it within miles of twerps like Michael Moore. Second, at least twice a week Fred Thompson is writing essays that appear all over the place (I think NRO and/or Townhall carries them), and seems to be all over the airwaves. He ain't hard to find, and he generally speaks to real and serious matters.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
"Envisioning the day where politics is analogous to intelligent and civilized discourse."
First, it is "when" not "where". Go look up the difference between time and place. But, you are doing pretty well for someone who self-admittedly has been driven utterly insane.
Second, a much more difficult task is to envision the day when politicians are intelligent and civilized. Not likely to happen.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Fred showed that he is going to play the game on his terms. Why should it be left up to Michael Moore to frame the real issue of Cuba? What if Michael Moore thought the main issue in Cuba was a domino shortage?
Fred sized up Michael Moore for exactly what he is - a public clown - and he dispatched him out of hand. I thought it was a perfect response to Michael Moore, making no other response necessary. A cretin like Moore does not deserve to be taken seriously by serious people.
I wish I could see how Fred would handle the Iranians. I can dream I guess.
Jim
Gotta support the team.
- David Puddy
Bush has hurt himself and his party by taking the high road too often. A President HAS to take on the buffoons once in awhile. Why? Because the MSM will treat you guilty until proven so if you don't reply. A President must set the tone and set people straight once in awhile. It doesn't mean daily mudslinging but an occasional reminder of who is in charge and who is the fool.
If you look around and don't see and identify the fool in the media, you are it.
Real change requires real change. -Newt Gingrich
He's just looking to stay in the limelight.
Why on earth would someone debate an ignorant fool like Moore about healthcare of all things- might as well debate about differential equations based models for options pricing.
Thompson's reply was witty and rapid - Moore isn't worth more than 20 seconds.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
It being a logical fallacy is part of what makes it appropriate. Do you really think there is an ounce of honesty in MM, and that he would actually engage in a rational debate? The very idea is completely absurd, and by responding in this manner, FT treated MM with the respect he deserves by treating him as if he were a child.
I don't even want FT to run - he appears too much like Bush, and I've had quite enough of that version of socialist/globalist Republicanism, thank you - but I can appreciate a witty retort when I see one.
Here is Fred Thompson's original article about Cuba and Michael Moore: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWNhNzA2YmY3NTNjZjZhNjE1NmZjMDFkOTd...
Fred Thompson has the guts to be President. This is just the latest, most humorous proof.
Really,
I think Sen. Thompson did cover the debate about medical care, which is to say that in Cuba they still use EST for people they define as "dangerous" to society. I don't think the AMA in the US still sanctions EST. In fact, they denouce it and in many places institutions can be shut down and dr's sued for the practice.
But I will be giddy when the Fresident will respond to the stupid morons, even if he only spends 30 seconds of his life on it.
And by the way Fred, fantastic job. You were able to cut to the chase immediately and with great aplomb.
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.
ECT in the US to my knowledge is used but is only used voluntarily these days. And when it is used it is used sparingly, carefully, and rarely, due to the severe memory loss it can cause even when performed in ways designed to minimize that.
Somehow I doubt the Cuban political doctors are using all the modern techniques designed to minimize the side effects.
Run like Reagan!
This is "awesome"?
I'm far from a Michael Moore fan...just the way he fixates on the most minute of minute details like "box upon box of cigars", drives me utterly insane.
That said, I can't help but view Mr. Thompson's comment as that classic logical fallacy: the non sequiter. Per tankertodd's comment above, Moore asks for a U.S. health care debate, and Thompson replies about a Cuban torture/corruption case? And that's a good thing? Not to mention the "maturity" with which Mr. Thompson led off the piece...hardly Presidential.
Here I am looking for a little truth, honestly, and forthrightness, and all I get is a childish taunt and an illogical change of subject. I guess politics really is all about gunslinging, smarmy putdowns, sound bites, and rooting for your horse.
Envisioning the day where politics is analogous to intelligent and civilized discourse.
It's hardly a non sequitur, as the original debate that Fred began was over Moore's documentary, and his response in an article he wrote on the National Review Online. Here is a segment:
"The other thing that irks me about Moore and his cohort in Hollywood is their complete lack of sympathy for fellow artists persecuted for opposing the Castro regime. Pro-democracy activists are routinely threatened and imprisoned, but Castro remains a hero to many here. According to human rights organizations, these prisoners of conscience are often beaten and denied medical treatment, sanitation or even adequate nutrition.
If Moore wants a subject for a real documentary, I would suggest looking into the life of Cuban painter and award-winning documentarian Nicolás Guillén Landrián. He was denied the right to practice his art for using the Beatles’ song, “The Fool on the Hill,” as background music behind footage of Castro climbing a mountain. Later, he was given plenty of free Cuban health care when he was confined for years in a “mental institution” and given devastating, repeated electroshock “treatments.”"
So the fact is - a non sequitur cannot be something which was previously discussed by Thompson, and ignored by Michael Moore. Thompson is simply reiterating a salient point he was making in his original article, a response to Moore's documentary. You might try reading and researching before you criticize someone as lacking the seriousness a person needs to become president.
why doesn't michael moore debate the democratic candidates on the subject of cuba. or is it a given that they are all on the same page there?
OWNED. Look, I love Ronnie like the best of them, but I don't think even Reagan could have come up with this gem.
Run Fred Run!!!!!!
Fred has balls! W has balls but no personality. Fred has both that why I think he has to be the next president!
"You don't scare me. I've got chunks of guys just like you in my stool".
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Law & Error: Fred Thompson Misunderstands High Court’s Church-State Rulings
In a recent speech to the Council for National Policy (CNP), former U.S. senator and presidential possibility Fred Thompson showed a remarkable misunderstanding of the Supreme Court’s church-state rulings.
Thompson chided the federal courts for overreaching their bounds and for distorting the intent of the Constitution.
“Our founders,” Thompson said, “established an independent federal judiciary to decide cases, not social policy. Yet more and more that is exactly what it is doing. Roe v. Wade is a classic example. And nowhere is it more apparent than with regard to the issue of church and state.
“Many federal judges,” he continued, “seem intent on eliminating God from the public schools and the public square in ways that would astound our founding fathers. We never know when a five-to-four Supreme Court decision will uphold them. They ignore the fact that the founders were protecting the church from the state and not the other way around.”
Now, Thompson is a lawyer — and he plays a lawyer on television (NBC’s “Law & Order”) — but he seems to have missed constitutional law class. Maybe he was studying acting that semester.
Here are the facts: There are no federal judges who are trying to “eliminate God” from the public schools or the public square. The Supreme Court’s decisions on religion and public education simply say that parents, not politicians or educators, get to decide what prayers children learn and what holy scriptures they study devotionally.
That’s keeping government out of our personal lives, a concept that ought to resonate with real conservatives as well as liberals. Far from being astounded, Founding Fathers such as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would be thrilled that the country is upholding freedom of conscience.
Thompson is also wrong about the intent of the First Amendment. It was meant to protect the church from the state and to keep the church from controlling the state. In Jefferson and Madison’s day, the danger came from both directions. Back then (as now) state persecution of dissenters came at the behest of powerful state-aligned religious interests. For example, in Virginia, Baptist preachers were jailed because the state-established Anglican Church wanted its privileges protected.
But Thompson’s misguided assertions probably went over well with the theocrats at the CNP. That secretive group has been plotting behind closed doors since 1981 to turn our nation into a fundamentalist theocracy.
News reports indicated that Thompson was to be introduced at the May 12 CNP meeting at the Ritz Carlton in Tysons Corner, Va., a suburb of Washington, D.C., by none other than Richard Land, chief lobbyist of the tax-exempt Southern Baptist Convention. Land and other fundamentalist leaders are desperately searching for a GOP candidate who can successfully carry the Religious Right flag into the battle in 2008.
Land thinks Thompson is the chosen one, calling him a “southern-fried Reagan.” Unfortunately, Land’s erstwhile colleague, James Dobson of Focus on the Family, has declared that Thompson is “not a Christian,” which complicates any immediate coronation. Dobson seems to be tilting toward former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who confessed on Dobson’s show to moral failings in his marriage and repented of them.
In the wake of Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell’s death, pundits will undoubtedly proclaim the demise of the Religious Right. The ongoing power of that movement in the Republican Party is evidence that it remains a force to be reckoned with.
Conservartive Reply(kind of proud of this one):
I would wipe my a-- with this post but my father's printer is not hooked up right now....
Communist/Socialist Reply (note the hatefulness):
"picklecock" - Isn't that redundant? Anyway pickledick, pickling cukes are usually the real little ones, so you might want to change your handle if it's meant to be an accurate representation of what you perceive to be the "essential you".
Also, since you're a loser living at home with Dad, you might want to at least be a little more respectful toward his computer equipment. By the way, why does your ass need wiping while you are sitting at the computer? Potty breaks are allowed for tough guys, too.
Conservative Reply (some more humor):
I'm not a tough guy but I did just fart at a Holiday Inn Express.....
come back when you can actually begin a conversation with me....
Communist/Socialist Reply (as Brit would say, "Huh?")_:
You're right. I should have realized from your first post that you were interested in serious debate. Forgive my tasteless response to your classy post.
Conservative reply(time to disarm the lib):
OBX....I'm sincere when I say I didn't mean to offend you. I disagree with the original post and thought I would insert some humor.
It is apparent that I offended you with that attempt and I apologize.
Are you from the Outer Banks? We've been vacationing in Duck for about 12 years now and love it. My family if from Elizabeth City ala Mike McGee.
anyway--talk to you later, I'm sure.
Communist/Socialist reply(hook, line, sinker):
No, I wasnt offended. No need to apologize. Just kidding here, also. Live in Newport News, VA now. Still keep a home on the Outer Banks (Nags Head). Try to spend as much time there as possible. Big fan of Edenton, too. There is a grest lunch place in Eliz City next to an old cinema downtown that has been fixed up and re-opened.
A buddy of mine in real estate on the Outer Banks,------, was related to McGee in some way.
Conservative reply:
thanks for that OBX.....I'll recheck this post in June when we're up in those necks...
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I'm not sure why I posted this here, but I did. I'm sometimes in awe of how hateful they can be. I'm from the South (Spurrier for Prez' 16) so I don't have the opportunity to hang around liberals often. Anyway, the next 2 years will be interesting on all levels and with Lebanon kicking ass we're off to a great start! I am glad OBX came around.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill