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I suspect "mama" don't want her man spending any more of her sons' money.
After all, Mitt Romney spent $4 million in South Carolina and did 52 events in 22 days in the state.
And he came in fourth. The spin that he won Nevada doesn't work too much for him considering the delegates aren't even awarded right now and, assuming he wants to be consistent, dismissed Mike Huckabee's Iowa victory for the very same reason.
So the only guy getting significant delegates today is John McCain. Hell of party, ain't it?
[UPDATE:] Yeah, you guys in the comments are right. This is a less than gracious post. But get with the reality of the situation people. This is why I'm so damned frustrated with Thompson and Romney. *Neither* of the conservative candidates in the race has been able to close the deal. Romney has spent millions of his own money and Thompson had conservative support handed to him on a silver platter. Look at both of them -- 3rd and 4th in *the* state where conservatives should be controlling the board. Deal with it.
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...how will he be with ours?
if he's willing to sacrifice so much personally and work so hard in order to have the opportunity to serve his country, just imagine how much he'll dedicate himself to the job once he wins!
Romney has little reason to run for president other than a desire to serve. He has more money than he could ever spend. He clearly has a happy family life. He's reached the pinnacle of success in just about everything he's touched. While he's sometimes goofy, I see him as someone who is completely comfortable with who he is and what he has accomplished in life. He doesn't need more. For these reasons, I simply don't see him running for president based out of a need or desire for power and influence for their own sake. I think he is running because he thinks he has the skills, values, and temperament the country needs at this time.
You may find that notion fanciful. I believe it.
to do more that his Dad did in politics. That's a common thing for a son to want to do.
-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think that is enough reason to spend so much of his own money and give his life over to a presidential campaign.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Your man Thompson is on his campaign death bed and your first post is a shot at Romney? Over money? Of all the things to say tonight, this would rank about 27th in terms of relevancy or import. Seriously, what's gotten into you?
Stop wasting diary space with this type of meaningless rubbish.
my comment had nothing to do with Erick's "right" to write what he darn well pleases.
The original comment, in my opinion, was dripping with so much snideness as to overshadow any substantive meaning and was not consistent with the thoughtful decorum championed by the mods here at Redstate, particularly with regard to blog diaries.
The update clarified the point and managed to convey justified frustration in a more respectable manner.
I got that, but isn't this still Erick's site. Sometimes I'm not not sure if people are naive and then I get a little chuckle or if they got big cajones and tehn I'm a little shocked.
I did what Romney ever did to Erick, but it is his site so I usually leave his stuff alone even if its garbage.
``Take care, Erik; that speech savours strongly of disappointment.''
Pride and Prejudice
but he still has more than McCain?
Nice to know.
And yes, of course Eric has a right to write this dribble. Nobody said otherwise.
There is only one reason a man with that type of largesse runs for President and that is power...and I don't have a problem with it.
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Anyone but McCain candidate. Thompson will drop out at some point this week, Huckabee just lost a state where the Evangelical vote was in the 55-59% range so he has no viability left. If you hate McCain why would you vote for Rudy. That leaves Romney. Also I imagine Romney will get a high profile buisness job if he does not get the nomination and I do think all of his sons are Ivy League grads so they are not banking on their Father's money.
McCain '08
And I agree, it is bone-jarringly disappointing that between Thompson and Romney they were not able to manage even 1/3 of the vote in South Freaking Carolina.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
It is a fact that the Republican "primaries" still have seven (7) active candidates--or they did before today. Duncan Hunter, who had already dropped out, received 2% of the vote in Nevada.
So what? We have one candidate with zero chance of getting the nomination receiving 14% of the Nevada vote, and he recieved 4% of the South Carolina vote, more there (and in Nevada) than Rudy Giuliani, a seemingly viable candidate. Let's put aside Nevada, since nobody campaigned there except the winner, Mitt Romney (after noting that Paul's 14% should tell us something, if we could only figure out what.) We don't even know who those Paul voters would have gone for if he had stayed in Texas or DC this summer.
Moving on to South Carolina, five viable candidates split 96% of the vote. I differ with many others here, in that I think that Thompson and McCain took votes away from each other, Thompson and Huckabee took votes away from each other, and Thompson and Romney took votes away from each other. With his 2%, Rudy took few votes away from anybody. But my point is that it isn't surprising to me that "Thompson and Romney...were not able to manage even 1/3 of the vote in South Freaking Carolina" between them. Disappointing, as you say, but not surprising. But it was essentially split three ways, with Romney and Thompson splitting one of the thirds. And I think Thompson is pushing a boulder uphill because he's one of two generalists vying with two (or three, if you count Rudy) specialists for the same voters, and he's doing it with less money.
When the demographics of the vote are published we'll learn some more, but it looks like there were three different constituencies being wooed--the WOT/don't care about illegal immigration voters, the evangelical/don't care about anything beyond right-to-life and smooth talk voters, and everybody else. From my perspective, it looks like the three groups are about equal in SC, and the result was roughly a three-way split.
(Side comment--Kirsten Powers, Democrat Analyst/Advisor: "I love McCain's position on Immigration." Says it all.)
The first group has bought McCain's claims to having "heard us" on immigration (or they don't care) and his claims to superior experience and clarity on the WOT. Independents, moderates, seniors, and ex-military were for McCain. Many of them have also bought into the idea that McCain is not only "the one," but he's the "most likely" one to beat Hillary or Obama.
The second group has a completely different set of priorities than the others, or they just aren't paying attention.
The third group has taken a 'bigger picture look' at the issues, and voted for the candidate they figured was more consedrvative, more rounded, and more able to address all issues, particularly the issue of illegal immigration. They split between Thompson and Romney.
This is more of a problem for Fred than for Romney. Romney apparently can afford to stay in as long as he wants. Fred is operating on a shoestring, and appearances are extremely important to someone in that position. Unless something striking happens, his support will start to wane and he won't be able to continue, even if he wants to. If either one of them quits, I would expect the other to get most of the drop-out's voters, no matter what the drop-out asks his followers to do.
In all of this Rudy is a wild card. He hasn't done, to use a Democrat's phrase, "diddly-squat" so far, but that was his plan all along, so we'll have to wait to find out if it was a good plan.
I'm not sure if Erick aimed his OP at Mitt or Fred, but I share his pain. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.
The "Third Worst Person in the World" and aiming higher.
It's a one issue thing that has no greater meaning. I'm positive of it, but don't ask me for an exit poll to prove it.
And this:
The first group has bought McCain's claims to having "heard us" on immigration (or they don't care) and his claims to superior experience and clarity on the WOT. Independents, moderates, seniors, and ex-military were for McCain. Many of them have also bought into the idea that McCain is not only "the one," but he's the "most likely" one to beat Hillary or Obama.
Yep. Even got the ex-military right, with me, anyway. ;)
(I just switched my allegiance after SC was called.)
/probably should fix my sig now... :sigh:
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... then the right thing to do is jump on board with McCain, no? For my part, I'm not totally convinced that Romney is done (mostly because he has all that money, and he did win Michigan), but I'm sure Thompson is finished, and Huckabee is hanging on by his fingertips.
So if you think Romney and Thompson are out of it (I presume those were your first two choices), and if you're not going to back Huckabee, then really at this point the competition is Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, no? And if that's the case, the only real option you have left is to jump on board with McCain and start preparing for November. Or am I missing something.
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He's way ahead in delegates, he's won in three states, and come in second in two states.
I suspect that Romney purposely bowed out of South Carolina the past few days, in order to give Fred Thompson a clear shot. There may have been an unspoken deal there, who knows?
Anyway, Fred's going to have to make decision about whether to hang on for Florida. If Fred pulls out before Florida, then he will not be drawing votes away from Huckabee anymore. If Fred hadn't drawn votes away from Huckabee today, then Huckabee may well have won in South Carolina. So, if Fred pulls out before Florida, that may spell trouble for McCain. remember also that no independents will be voting in the Florida GOP primary.
Between Fred pulling out before Florida, and maybe Jeb Bush endorsing Romney, I still think that Romney has a good shot at winning in Florida.
McCain would be a good nominee, probably. But I'm still leaning toward Romney. Less baggage.
I understand that Fred has already stated that he would bypass Florida and go straight to Georgia.
The "Third Worst Person in the World" and aiming higher.
So the Republican South Carolina primary winner has produced the eventual nominee every time since 1980.
Nominating this septuagenarian will make Bob Dole's candidacy and eventual defeat pale by comparison. I don't know what is in the drinking water in South Carolina.
There's skeet shooting, there's drama, there's heartache and joy. We laughed, we cried. It's been better than Cats. I want to do it again and again!
How can that not be fun?
absentee
2 man race between McCain and Romney. I've been going back and forth between Huckabee and Thompson for weeks now but I'll have no choice on Feb. 5 but to support Romney. I'll support McCain vs. the Dem if he's the nominee but I just don't want McCain. I really, really don't like the guy. As someone said, the problem with McCain is that he attacks his friends and praises his enemies.
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Erick,
You are an influential conservative blogger. McCain just won South Carolina and is currently the frontrunner to represent our party. Would you be so kind to tell us if you think this is good news? Is this what work on RedState has been fighting for? What are we, as your readers, suppose to take from this post? Would you like us to throw spitballs at Mitt the next time we see him? Is that the next big idea brewing in the conservative blogosphere? Could we have some thoughtful and intellectual analysis please? That's why we come here!
on a somewhat related note: on a number of occasions I've been close to pitching in to the various and sundry fundraising efforts to help Red State. Inevitably, each time I'm just about ready to start entering my credit card number and throw in a few bones, I come across a post like this, usually from one of the bigwigs on the site, that attacks my favorite candidate in what I perceive to be a petty and unnecessary fashion. Each time that happens I quickly put my credit card back in my wallet and shrug. I think, "why should I contribute to a site that seems so intent on taking my preferred candidate down?"
Of course I'm not saying that the founders of this site shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions. Not at all. That's why I, and everyone else, come here. What does bother me, however, is when I see repeated action that demonstrates to me a fundamental lack of balance and objectivity. All too often I feel like an attack, such as this thread, is just flat out petty and completely out of proportion. And it's not that I merely have a thin skin. For example, Ramesh Ponnuru over at NRO is a known McCain supporter. One thing that is refreshing (and perhaps one of the reasons I'm willing to pony up money for NR's content year after year) is that while I don't always agree with him, Ramesh comes across as completely fair. He points out McCain's strengths, but he also criticizes him when he sees a fault or weakness. It's also not out of the ordinary to see Ramesh compliment the other candidates when they do something he sees as commendable. I just don't see that from many of the lead authors on this site.
I suppose the point of this excessively long and increasingly nazel-gazing post is this: I'd be more willing to contribute to Red State if I felt the main sponsors of the site were giving people a fair shake. Right now, I don't get that sense and I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm not the only one. For the sake of all of us Red State fans, I'd encourage Erick and the other directors to keep in mind how their personal attitudes and feelings towards certain candidates might impede the financial success of the site.
As Jonah Goldberg recently urged us all to never say: "I'm just saying."
I've been here quite a bit longer and have also been close to pulling the trigger financially for numerous causes, but, for the same reasons as yours, could not do it. This is just another example of how to bite the hand that feeds you.
Mitt is very good at fund raising. Maybe they should ask him for a few pointers.
Republican voters have lost their minds. They voted for a man who will obstruct every good conservative idea. But he'll never be president because as soon as he has the nomination he will find out that his friends in the media have all abandoned him for Hillary. Thanks Republicans. I don't think the Democrats alone could make Hillary president, but with your help it will happen.
and the blogosphere in general, is to put way too much stock in any single event. Romney was dealt a tough blow in IA and NH, I wrote about it, but Romney has come back pretty well from that.
We are coming down to a 2 man race that mathematically won't be settled on Feb 5th even. I am guessing this will happen in the later states, probably middle of March.
I don't really care what Thompson does, but I hope is supporters wise up to the idea of Thompson going no where, and that perhaps being used as a stalking horse for McCain is not what they originally hoped to achieve by being a Fredhead.
If Fred's campaign truly was about the principles of conservatives and not his personality, I think there are safer waters to hedge your bets, then the straight talk express.
is so 5 weeks ago.
This is a 5 man race to the finish. Why would Huck or Fred drop out after feb 5th? They have not reason to. We'll be heading into the South.
If you are going to make money the issue at least add that Mitt has raised more money than anyone as well as spent the most.
From here on money is going to make or break the candidates.
If Romney wins FL you will write it off to his money. And you will be at least half right. BTW to beat HRC its going to take a ton of it.
People forget that Romney, as head of the US Republican Governors Association, raised more money than any of his predecessors.
Vote for Romney, his family is better than yours.
a semi-serious reply before I saw "member for 5 hrs 59 minutes."
This is weak, not funny and not very creative. If you're going to mock my candidate you can definitely do better than this. At least make it actually funny.
"I guess the lesson learned here is that it doesn't matter where everyone is from as long as we're all the same religion." - Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
"We are told that Mr. Blaine has been delinquent in office but blameless in public life, while Mr. Cleveland has been a model of official integrity but culpable in personal relations. We should therefore elect Mr. Cleveland to the public office for which he is so well qualified to fill, and remand Mr. Blaine to the private station which he is admirably fitted to adorn."
The voters agreed. Cleveland became the first Democrat elected to the White House in 28 years.
Romney is far from out of the race. He has the most delegates, he has the most wins, he has the most votes so far and he has the most money. And that make McCain the front runner? If Florida had their primary tomorrow I would say McCain would win but it is not. McCain was able to loose Michigan in the ten days following New Hampshire and I have no doubt Romney can pull it out again.
I'll take Romney. No way I could ever vote for Huckabee or McCain in a primary. And no way I could vote for the Huckster in a general. If I wanted John Edwards I'd be a Democrat.
I read your post and not only chuckled but even got a belly laugh. How do you pretend to be a commentator who would like to be taken seriously when you write the literary equivalent of a badly baked scottish tripe. I am surprised that you haven't seen the fact that any serious minded politico reads your 'stuff' and finds any credibility in your numbing diatribes. You don't know what you are talking about, do not have a theoretical grasp on the political scene, write the garbage a democrat baboon would scoff at, then expect to be listened to, with any serious thought, or by anyone who has any more experience than those who received a Merit badge in Government as a Tenderfoot.
I don't know who you are but I see your name on this site quite a bit. Since I have only been a Red Stater for a short time I must assume you have something to do with the site. I hope not, for the sake of Red State.
Let me give you a bit of advice... sit down (because what I will be suggesting may cause you to fall down), look in the mirror, see the person staring back at you, realize that the reflected image has no political savy, and then rethink your positions before you begin to write another story. (You might want to look up the word 'story' also) Political opinions are good... only if you have some semblance of quantifiable evidence that what you are spewing might be believable and perhaps even carry somewhat any thoughts close to truth.
Free speech gives the right to write, but you do yourself a great diservice when you blog idiocy. Think, rethink, and then write.
There are only two viable candidates now. McCain (for shame for shame) and Mitt Romney. When did having money to spend, and spending it become a negative. (Soros?)
Thompson was so very close to telling the country that he was no long running. When he does, which will be this week, I am thinking that he will tell his political caravan to back Mitt Romney.
I give that same advice to you. Besides, you are giving the 'Ericks' of the world a bad name.
Erick K. Knackstedt
Knockdaddy
your advice. It's fine if you disagree with him but this kind of garbage is disrespectful to the owner of this site. The fact that Erick allows us to congregate hear, debate, etc. means he is worthy of a little more respect than this.
I didn't like Erick's comments either. I'm a Romney supporter and yes, Erick does seem to be more critical of Romney than others but debate him on the issue. Don't insult him personally.
I made the same mistake you did when I first joined this site. I didn't know who Erick was. He gave me a second chance. I hope you change your tune and don't need to learn the hard way like I did. Erick was very respectful to me in personal emails and I will never insult him again and I won't put up with people like you doing it.
"I guess the lesson learned here is that it doesn't matter where everyone is from as long as we're all the same religion." - Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
I failed to alert you to this post in my previous post just in case you want to "blam."
"I guess the lesson learned here is that it doesn't matter where everyone is from as long as we're all the same religion." - Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
this new Erick doesn't do himself, or his candidate, any favors going after the big Erick this way.
Also, it's all water under the bridge now, but do you happen to remember who stuck up for you when you got bounced the first time? I didn't know you at the time (still don't "know you" I suppose), but now that I've read your posts the past few weeks I'm glad I did and also glad that you decided to stick around.
alhough, I never intended to become a serious poster initially. I lurked here all the time and when I did post I was mad and my post was actually eerily similar to this guy's.
I'm glad I've redeemed myself somewhat. My TIC obnoxiouslness gets me in trouble once in a while but I really like posting here.
Thanks again for tolerating me.
"I guess the lesson learned here is that it doesn't matter where everyone is from as long as we're all the same religion." - Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
...that if I ever see another post of yours here, Sparky, it'll be because Erick was gracious enough to overrule me.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
You, Erick, are right about the average content of these writers. I've tried to be patient with this site in hopes that it would agree with me at least 80% of the time, but that does not happen when the moderators are opinionated fools. So, it seems that I'll move on as well.
"Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now". -White Goodman
South Carolinians demonstrated that they prefer sizzle to steak.
Immensely disappointing but hardly unexpected result. We need a chimera of Huckabee and Thompson and it's never going to happen.
Let's try not to tear ourselves apart too much. It will help in November, which is.. as they say.. the Big Enchilada.
If Fred is out, I'm gravitating to Romney. As the economy ascends as an issue his business background will look good in comparison to the Democrat weenies. His electability is an issue, but I'm guessing his name recognition is still a factor in polls pitting him against Hillary or Obama. And at least he has money to put into the race.
Don't beat up on Eric. This isn't his fault.
If Romney is the true conservative, why did he run away from the conservative state of SC and go to Nevada where he had no opposition in the first place? Very poor planning from the alleged business genius. In the conservative state of SC, McCain doubled Romney's vote in the totals and among those who identified themselves as Republicans. Let's see if he can come up with an olympic term for fourth place.
Have you watced the news all day. Romney owned the airwaves from about 12:00 to about 8:00. He looked great all day. Despite what people here state, Nevada is a red state that is vital. It's also bigger and has more delgates than South Carolina. Nobody contested him here because they couldn't compete. They wrote off Wyoming too, which is also a restate. No ne asks why did true conservatives right off the Mountain States.
He ducked out of SC for two days and ran the table in NV.
None of the talking heads are calling him a loser tonight.
He took himself out of a sure loser position and came out a winner. Priceless.
Neither Fred nor Romney has managed to convince the GOP rank and file that they are credible candidates. My guess is that Romney has until about mid-week to move ahead of Rudy in the Florida polls. If he doesn't get into second, Giuliani is the anti-McCain candidate and the winner of Florida will be McCain or Rudy. That winner will be the solid favorite to be the nominee of the party.
Mitt is spinning furiously about Rudy slipping, but coming on the heels of a fourth place finish in South Carolina, it's not very credible. And Huckabee is taking on votes that Romney desperately needs.
Leading in popular vote, delegate count, and states won means Romney hasn't convinced the GOP rank and file? Please. You guys are reading too much into this.
His self financing could have and should have waited to the general. As things stand he has just distorted the race with a campaign that could not go anywhere without artificial support.
If you can't get other people to invest in your product you probably can't get anyone to buy it.
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enough, I believe, to outspend everyone on the Republican side except for Giuliani, even without his own investment.
Folks would do well to remember that he had very, very low name recognition when he started out, and he wasn't going to get any favors from the press. He had to invest substantial resources to build his own name recognition.
I understand how his counterparts and their supporters might dislike his financial advantage. I have a hard time seeing it as a disservice to the party.
have been found so that we could deal with it more efectively? An couldn't it have been post at the top of the front page at leat 7 minutes earlier?
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com
Sorry, to all those who are trying to make a duck into a swan - but the man (Mitt) is as left as Huckabee or McCain.
Other than that, excellent post Erick.
but most of us disagree. McCain keeps winning because of Liberal, Moderate and Independent votes. When Romney wins it is because of Conservative votes. Huckabee... heh.
Excellent post?
Erick was man enough to recognize that it was not and apologized for it.
You are a lonely, lonely man on this thread.
Last I checked Romney had the most votes and delegates, and is generally amongst the most competitive in all the states going forward.
Get over your petty biases. You are beclowning yourself.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
In the general election second place finishes last. If the primiaries were winner take all states - he wouldnt be doing as well.
More importantly, though, beyond those who are antiMcCain/Huckabee he has little to no appeal because he has no vision and is nothing more than a manufactured candidate.
His record is just as liberal as both of those men I mentioned above me with no positive will or way to reach people outside of the upper middle to upper class.
Then again, he has money and a bunch of inside people in his campaign, so that must mean he is a great guy.
There was only 1 real 100% conservative here, and it aint Mitt.
Ronald Reagan isn't running. We deal with the candidates we have. Each of them have their faults here and there, but each are infinitely better than ANY Democrat running. I have my preferred candidate, but I will end up supporting whomever our nominee is.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Grow up, dude. This is something a 13 year old would post. The justification is just as pathetic.
Even here in my home state of Arizona I have NEVER voted for McCain. But come hell or high water come Nov 2008, if he is the man, I will pull that lever.
And while I would prefer Thompson much more, I would do not want it to be Romney.
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Hate to agree Eric, but I am also sick with this turnout and vote count for a conservative. I have to ask is it Fred or is it us..?
...and they clearly want a moderate-to-liberal republican. If SC is regarded as a "bellweather" state for the GOP, then it appears that the three legs of conservatism are not going to be important to the nation this go round. Dang it!
Now, with no clear conservative option, what's a life-long conservative to do? Should I just accept one of the remaining RINO's, hold my nose, swallow the bile and vote for a conserv-ocrat? Would that not effectively sanction the RINO movement that is (seemingly) sweeping the country? Dang it!
For a brief moment, I thought that perhaps a Clinton or Obama presidency would remind voters of the virtues of conservatism. Sort of like removing the bandaid that's become stuck to the scab -- do I slooooowly peel the band-aid off (McCain/Huckabee/Romney) -or- do I rip it off quick and get it over with (Clinton/Obama)? Either way, it's going to be excruciatingly painful. On second thought pondering a Clinton/Obama presidency is just sour grapes on my part in a sort of "That'll teach em!" kind of way. I apologize. I just have a difficult time understanding how (McCain/Huckabee/Romney) are preferable to GOP voters over (Hunter/Thompson). Dang it!
But, it is good news for my budget -- since I don't contribute to non-conservatives, Thompson may be the last candidate to motivate me to open my wallet. Though without a clear, consistent conservative to vote for, I now have a strong urge just to sit this one out. Somehow I will have to dig deep and find some motivation merely to go to the polls and vote for, er... um... I have no idea at this point. My sig seems fairly poignant today.
Just dang it.
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What can not be remedied, must be endured.
spoken in a few states. SC did not face the usual 2 man race, and in this crowded field, the one that could have won got in too late before other shad come and wrapped up support while watching TV tell them Fred couldn't win. McCain's vote dropped from 42 to 33 % from 2000 to 2008.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com
Erick, let it go brother...we are going to need you in this fight post-Fred. America could do far worse than having Mitt as President.
Do you ever have anything nice to say about the Romney campaign?