McCain on Obama on Iraq: "I hope that he will reach a position."

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John McCain on Obama's recent wobbling on Iraq and Obama's concession that he would go to Iraq after McCain called him out on not visiting or meeting with our commander there:

Well, I think you know that I opposed the failed strategy of the Bush administration. I argued for the strategy that is succeeding. I have been to Iraq 8 times. I know the situation on the ground. I predicted we would succeed and we are succeeding. And, we are winning. That victory is fragile, it can be reversed. Sen. Obama opposed the surge. He said it would fail. He still is saying that it would fail. Now, last Thursday or Friday, it seemed for a while there he was agreeing with the surge, then maybe he's not. So, I'm glad he's going to Iraq for the second time. He hasn’t been there in 900 days. I'm glad, for the first time, he’s going to sit down with General Petraeus -- for the first time, a sit-down briefing, if you can believe that. And, I hope that he will reach a position. I don't know what position, because he's been all over the map, calling for immediate withdrawals, back in the primaries to now saying you know -- so it's hard to know. I hope that he'll go over there and get the kind of information he needs that he hasn't requested in the past...But, have no doubt what my position was when I called for additional troops, it was a very unpopular thing to do and many people said my campaign was dead and I said I'd rather lose a campaign then lose a war. He said it would fail, it has succeeded. [The] American people should take notice of that. So, I'll see what he has to say when he gets back from his visit to Iraq. And, I'm sure he'll be impressed with a sit down with one of the greatest generals that America has ever produced, General David Petraeus.

Of course, Obama has now apparently decided that the perception that he's a flip-flopper with no principles is an even more devastating demonstration of weakness than the perception that he would sell out our allies and abandon the mission in Iraq to pander to the anti-war left - really, it's just a choice of who he surrenders to first - so his surrogates are now claiming that it's a lie that Obama ever wavered in his commitment to abandon Iraq. Oceania was never, we repeat never, at war in Iraq! But in political campaigns, as in war, the enemy gets a say in your game plan, and McCain is unlikely to let Obama simultaneously escape responsibility for being wrong about the surge and for belatedly trying to escape the consequences of being wrong.

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As for McCain's own strategy, I agree with Ross and Patrick that the Iraq issue is a winner for McCain on multiple levels despite the war's overall unpopularity, given the contrasts it presents between McCain and Obama. The narrative of McCain's role in advocating for the surge is crucial to McCain's general-election story just as it was in the primaries, and dovetails perfectly with McCain's biography and contrast with Obama's plan to start withdrawing from Iraq at precisely the time of the surge.

Of course, as close observers of the situation in Iraq can tell you, the McCain narrative is somewhat oversimplified - many of the conditions that made the surge successful (e.g., Sunni cooperation, sufficient numbers of trained Iraqis with a government willing to use them) did not exist until Iraqis had been through the experience of living with the consequences of Sunni extremism and sectarian warfare in 2004-06, whereas some of the conditions for improving the situation were well underway before the surge came on line. And, of course, there are many other examples that could be cited of the gradual progress that was made in the 2004-06 period despite the setbacks. In other words, it's unfair to Bush and his civilian and military advisers to suggest that his strategy was a total failure that was singlehandedly rescued by McCain and Gen. Petraeus.

But while it would be nice indeed if the history of the 2003-07 period could be written accurately, McCain has to deal with the facts as the media and the general public believe them to be, not as they really are; he has to campaign in the real world, not conduct a history lesson dedicated to defending a Bush legacy that Bush himself could never be bothered to defend (or hire people competent to defend). Within that context, it makes all kinds of political sense to declare the Bush strategy a failure in toto and champion McCain's genuinely courageous and significant role in building political support for a doubling-down in Iraq. Even granting that the surge did not do it all by itself, it was a necessary condition for building on the opening that the "Anbar awakening" and other markers of progress had made possible, and it has proved the decisive difference in much the same way that the arrival of US troops proved the decisive difference in Europe in 1918. Thus, the McCain campaign narrative - McCain as the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - is built around a significant and consequential truth, while Obama's narrative is based entirely on denying the facts on the ground. I know which I prefer.

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how many times has Obama made an argument about his superior judgement? I've been waiting for McCain to slam Obama on his lack of sound judgment when it came to the surge. I hope he really hits Obama with this in the debates.

If Obama had gotten his way, Iraq would be a disaster right now.

Obama tells the crowds he stands on principle; what principle is that? Rhetorically, it is the old friend, political opportunism, a sign that times have indeed not really changed.

Obama speaks in the failed policies of our past which brought us September 11th; negotiation with enemies, abandoning friends, exchanging opportunities for platitudes and false promises of a brighter future.

He speaks of a brighter day for our country in which more government is a cure for all that afflicts us. This is nothing more than acute liberalism in a new wrapper. Anyone that buys this will find the taste very famliar and less satisfying.

Obama is the consumate flip-flopper and has moved his positions on a whole range of issues to fool the "independent" middle. Anyone that took five minutes away from the speeches and actually examined policies and past positions would be embarrassed.

He is a candidate for the under read, misinformed, easily misled, privileged illuminati and nescient.

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Obama in 2004 on Iraq:
"'On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago,' Obama said. 'There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.'"

McCain in 2004 on Iraq:
"[W]hen I was there in Iraq in August, I talked to [the] British. I talked to sergeant majors. I talked to colonels and captains. And I came back absolutely convinced that we needed more boots on the ground. These people warned me. They said, 'Look, if you don't have more soldiers here, you're going to lose control of this situation and you're going to face an insurgency some months from now.' I begged and pleaded that we send more troops. Secretary Rumsfeld said, 'Well, our commanders on the ground haven't asked for them.' It's not up to the commanders on the ground. It's up to the leadership of the country to make these decisions. That's why we elect them and have civilian supremacy. We're now facing a terrible insurgency. We can prevail, but we've got to have more people over there to get the job done."

I think it was pretty clear in 2004, who was for change, and who was supporting a failing strategy in Iraq.

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" is a very old movie and I am sure not many would get that reference, but an accute one for this situation. The Surge came at the right time, but I do give McCain credit for supporting the surge when many Republicans were ready to just pull out of Iraq (me included).

"You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." -Wayne Gretzky

by everything about Obama. Okay bothered isn't a strong enough word. I am almost speechless when I consider Obama as the nominee -- and potentially the POTUS.

Four years ago I thought John Kerry was a new low in presidential qualifications. How ironic that Obama makes Kerry look like a heavy weight in the qualified department.

So now Obama is putting forth a message of America in Decline. Unfortunately, I have to agree. Obama's status as the presumptive Democrat nominee is prima facie evidence of an America in decline. Res ipsa loquiter! In 20 years I have searched for a clear example of the meaning of that phrase. At first I viewed Obama as an empty suit with experience as insubstantial as smoke and judgment as bad too many teenagers. However, although the experience is insubstantial and the judgment bad – the suit is filled with every bad liberal, socialist-Marxist ideal that already wreaked havoc across the globe.

So I understand why Obama sees an America in decline. Could anyone looking out from Obama’s vantage point at his throngs of supporters come to any other conclusion?
M Penny

It seems this country is at a crossroads, and we are in imminent danger of giving in to the ignorant, the foolish, the dangerous, the self-deluded.

Great words and observations by McCain - too delicious. He nails the frivolous and inane flipfloppery lack of any principles and standards of Obama. McCain at his teleprompter-less best.

We have 4 months to cut the legs out from under Obama. Crunch-time. The Republic depends on it.

You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

If 'bothered' isn't strong enough, how about 'sickened'?

The Founders were wise to focus the Constitution to provide for the common defense, [but to only] promote the general Welfare. In the realm of social policy government can only muster a marginal improvement in anything, at best, and then only if it is highly focussed and disciplined over time. But government has a fantastic, nearly unlimited capability to wreck the social contract. I don't think that we appreciate the scope of damage that it can do - all with our better interests at heart.

Oh yes, I greatly fear an Obama presidency. The U.S.A. has shown that it is resilient, and Obama does not have near the passion of, say, a Roosevelt or a Johnson to really screw things up. The nation will survive him, but there will be so much needless misery and pain while we heal.

"But for his belly, man would be a god." [The Odyssey - Homer]

and I speak as one who was interested in voting for Obama at one point. 'Wright-gate' triggered a red flag, and as this election year drags on, I see I was correct in my decision.

Who are you choosing to vote for?

Are you going to cross party lines and vote for McCain?

Or are you going to not vote?

Just curious.

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