McCain Preparing to Crush Opponents in South Carolina

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John McCain may not be my guy, but I've got to give him credit. He's been laying ground work in South Carolina to avoid a repeat of 2000. Today there was a press conference down there with forty of South Carolina's state legislators lining up behind him. Add to them one of the two U.S. Senators and a governor who is favorably inclined to support him and you have the makings of a solid South Carolina team. And yes, forty state legislators is a good majority of the Republican caucus down there.



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He's doing the same thing here in AL., getting legislators to support and man his 'grassroot' electorial organizations.
Personally, I wouldn't vote for him if he was the *only* person running for the POTUS. He's just not a person I feel I could trust the security and governance of the US to as he has ably demonstrated an ability to trample on my rights and that he is irrational.
If he wins the Republican nod to run then I fear the Republican party is going to spend more time wandering in the wilderness as it searches for meaning.

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

I'm confident that Hill is completely rational and I don't think she is some kind of wide-eyed true believer or ideologue. She will do whatever she thinks is in her personal best interest at the moment, just as her husband did. Sometimes it will even coincide with what is best for the United States. In a strange way, I can trust her a lot more than McCain. I can trust that she will try to do what she thinks will gain her the most advantage. I can't even trust McCain to do that much.

Another factor to consider: any screw ups she does make (see Bill Clinton 1992-1994) will be taken out on her party instead of ours. McCain could really kill the party for a very long time if he were given the job.

I think there's no chance of McCain walking away with this nomination anyway, so I'm not worried about it coming down to that.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

to spite your face.

But we can agree to disagree, Zuiko.

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

This isn't about a protest vote or dissatisfaction with McCain on a particular issue.

When I vote for legislators, I don't care much about the man. I would vote for an awful guy I can't stand who votes the right way over a really great guy who votes the wrong way any day. Issues are probably 98% of my vote.

When I vote for executives at the state level, the man matters a lot more. They have to have some judgment and common sense. They have to be somewhat trustworthy. They have to be leaders. They have to have management ability. It is still not that easy to royally screw up a state with a lapse of judgment. Governors don't have to make very many life and death decisions. The mistakes they make are pretty easily undoable. Issues are probably 75% of my vote for Governor.

When I vote for POTUS, it matters a heck of a lot. Issues and judgment are probably equally important.

If we were talking about McCain vs Bill Clinton, even though McCain is (somewhat) better on the issues, I would have to go with Bill. Probably HRC as well... though I would have to think on that for a while if it were to come down to that, and I don't expect it to.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

A sane Hillary is preferable to an insane McManiac.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

I'd vote for Ron Paul.

There is no candidate alive (or dead for that matter) who I would vote against if McCain was the only other choice.
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"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

If all the third party candidates are anti-war, the Democrats nominate Sen. Clinton, and the Republicans nominate Sen. McCain, then I for one EASILY can leave my Presidential ballot blank. Easily.

What's bad is, after all of McCain's 'torture' lies, HRC is probably a better candidate on the war than McCain is.

Try a better scare candidate next time. Clinton isn't even a Kos radical.

Run like Reagan!

Newt is the only real Conservative running.

Newt should be President.

there are a number of conservative lines of thinking. some run buchanan's way, some run buckley's way, some run kristol's way, and so on. which line of thinking will dominate the republican party for the next decade or more is an open question.

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

I generally agree with gideon above. But I think you are referring to the traditional common conservative traits - less gov't regulation, pro-life, pro-traditional family values, unwavering and non-politically correct strong defense, protect right to bear arms, strong border protection, etc. In that case, Newt is down the line that camp, and so is Romney.

but i still think mccain better watch his back. giuliani will come on strong.

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

McCain and his supporters must be excommunicated out of the Party. That's all there is to it. We cannot allow a person who is so self absorbed be seen as the leader of the Republican Party, not if we want to continue to call it home to Conservatism. We also cannot afford to have people so easily duped into following some one so megalomaniacal remain members of our Party, not in an elected office anyway. McCain wishes to destroy this Party and he doesn't even see it that way because of his mental disorder--and yes, I am claiming right here that the man is mentally unstable. Lest we suffer the fate of the Federalists, we must not let that man be our nominee.

Standing athwart history yelling stop!!!! http://nationalwhig.blogspot.com

(by the way, you should get a new motto. i believe that one was taken about fifty years ago.)

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

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"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

I am more pure, 99/9tenths just like Dove soap

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

To the man who helped bring Conservatism out of the shadows and into the White House in 1980. And yes, I am a purist when it comes to keeping McCain from destroying the one vessel that seems to carry the Conservative cause. If you don't think he will after all that he has done since '99, I would think that you are supporting him.

Standing athwart history yelling stop!!!! http://nationalwhig.blogspot.com

They can't make arguments without insinuating that someone's loyalties aren't where they should be.

Grow up, or take off.

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

Interesting coming from the person who--without even responding to the first post about McCain--said, and I quote, "Aren't you the cutest little purist?" To which you had a crony chime in that they were. Perhaps, if you don't like what I say about McCain you should stick to defending him instead of making light of what has been said. I think McCain is a detriment to the Party and Conservatives specifically, and his supporters are either willing accomplices or they are duped because of his "appeal" to the middle, which makes them dangerous to the Party and Conservatism. If you can't answer that without you little quips about being a purist, then it is you who needs to grow up.

Standing athwart history yelling stop!!!! http://nationalwhig.blogspot.com

We can certaintly agree to disagree but there is no need to threaten people into exile.

There are, and will be, plenty of staunch conservatives that will support McCain. Just look at all the people that have endorsed him and all the Bush 2000/2004 donors and campaigners that have signed on to him.

Why the support? I can't speak for others, but for me:

-the War on Terror: while they don't see eye-to-eye on the small details, McCain grasps the Bush Administrations GWOT and is a steadfast supporter of WINNING the Iraq War.

-No more pork: Him and Coburn are the two that are leading the fight against pork barrell spending, which has alienated our base.

-Pro-Life

-The most conservative politican that can win in November 2008.

http://michiganformccain.blogspot.com/ .

The only thing distinguishing the two are biology. They are both calculating with no regard for their Party or their Country. Whatever McCain was ten or twenty years ago, he has done away with. Now he takes certain stances depending on the political winds and they fit into his popularity and ultimately his Presidential asperations. He didn't like taxcuts in 01 and 03 until last year when it was getting closer to 08. He is definitely not interested in immigration enforcement because he, like the Dems, look at illegals as a voting bloc. He is in lockstep with the enviro-wackos over this global warming business when the "evidence" of human causation is not concrete. That's about all I can think of off the top of my head. My number one source for this, http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm, is having some technical difficulties. Basically, the guy, now a days, is a Conservative when it suits him.

Standing athwart history yelling stop!!!! http://nationalwhig.blogspot.com

I don't support him in the primary but heck yeah I'd support him against any surrender-monkey-white-flag-waving Democrat. He has a lifetime 82% ACU rating and there would be a 60% chance that his nominees would be ANTI-ROE votes (compared to a 1% chance for any Dem). Our taxes would not go down but with a Dem they'd go up. What do you not understand?

Spitballs?!?! / Yo No Soy Marinero, Soy Capitan

In the past six years, what leads you to believe that we will have low taxes and good judges? He may have a LIFETIME record of 82 percent, but what is his average in last six years? Like I said, he voted twice against taxcuts in 01 and 03 and is the architect of the "Gang of 14" who considered justices like Miguel Estrada and Janice Rogers Brown too extreme to sit on the bench. Brown did eventually get through but it took some wrangling to get her through. I would much rather have a Dem; at least then I could take my Liberalism without the hint of hypocracy.

Standing athwart history yelling stop!!!! http://nationalwhig.blogspot.com

Nominated; we didn't have the votes to nuke anyhow, and smart pragmatic conservative such as Michael Medved have pointed out that although they objected to G14 at the time it actually turned out intregal in nominating Alito.

Spitballs?!?! / Yo No Soy Marinero, Soy Capitan

BECAUSE of the G14. That hardly makes the G14 a great thing and some badge of honor for those involved. They got together and colluded to greatly increase their power on judicial nominations, at the expense of good nominees who never got the vote they deserved. Wow... how selfless of them. Way to take one for the team.

And Roberts and Alito seem to be good and all, but who knows who W might have been able to nominate if the G14 wasn't hanging over his head with it's "exceptional circumstances" clause. There are plenty of better candidates out there. There are plenty that we could be more sure of. The jury is still out on Roberts and Alito (especially Roberts) and will be for years.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

McCain, the staunch Conservative? Why, with 55 Senate votes did we not have the numbers to call a point of order on the rules hold the quorum and change the rules? Because of people like McCain, Lindsey Graham, DeWine (the guy who got beat in Ohio). I am convinced that we would have gotten Alito anyway. Besides, wasn't the Gang of 14 who were excited about giving Myers an up or down vote? Would you have been happy about her on the bench?

Standing athwart history yelling stop!!!! http://nationalwhig.blogspot.com

according to you:

Minnesota Governor Pawlenty
Sen. Kyl
Rep. John Shadegg
Rep. Jeff Flake
Phil Gramm
Sen. Graham
The majority of the South Carolina State Congress
(most likely) South Carolina Gov. Sanford
MI AG Mike Cox
Rev. Keith Butler
Trent Lott
Haley Barbour
(most likely) Florida Gov. Crist
myself

and of course...Curt Schilling

is going to do more harm to their own Party/movement if he wins. McCain does not give a d**n about Conservatism. He cares only about himself. He is as ambitious as Lucifer. And anyone supporting him needs to be dealt with.

Standing athwart history yelling stop!!!! http://nationalwhig.blogspot.com

But I will point out that endorsements mean absolutely nothing to me. People want to get on-board with the guy they think will win and they want to do it early. Bernie from the Weekend at Bernie's movies would rack up all kinds of impressive endorsements if the establishment thought he was most likely to score the nomination. Politicians want to be on the side of the winning candidate. That's all there is to it. Pawlenty is probably eyeing a VP slot.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Anyone check to see if his shoes are tied to his handler's feet when he is "walking"?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

http://michiganformccain.blogspot.com/

"In war, my dear friends, there's no such thing as compromise. You either win or you lose."
-John McCain

He's a crook (Keating 5) and he is as much of a big government statist as most democrats. Anti-2nd Amendment, anti-tax cuts, wants to stick his nose into the auto industry, global warming, steroids in baseball, attempt to ban the UFC, gang of 14, McCain/Feingold.....

If it's between McCain and Hillary, I'm voting libertarian.

McCain was never charged with anything. It was almost 20 years ago and hammering on that is a total waste of time and effort. And besides, there is so much current stuff with which to very rightly tar him you just don't have to go back and find something that 99% of voters either don't care about or don't know about.
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I'm guessing that the voters will start to care about it after the media hammers on it for 6 months. Keating 5 will come back in a very big way if McCain is the guy. They probably already have dozens of pieces on it produced and ready to go. It is a trap the MSM has already set and covered up with leaves. They just won't let him walk into it until he gets the nomination (which still isn't going to happen, IMO).
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

and I agree the NYT will beat him to death with it, I wouldn't mess with it now. Just too much good, new stuff. Plus, any attack based on Keating the MSM won't cover now and McCain will blow it off. (They will be taking notes, however, and the will print it right after he gets the nomination - which I don't think he'll get either.)
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