Meet Barack Obama's Mentor
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"Living in the US of KKK A"
Barack Obama's book "Audacity of Hope" was titled after a sermon from his mentor, Jeremiah Wright. Mr. Wright's congregation, is more about black empowerment than the saving grace of Jesus Christ. The media is trying desperately to avoid this story, but Fox, being a member of the VRWC, picked it up, and now Ben Smith is running a video clip too.
I love the part where he talks about Jesus being a black man put down by rich white people a/k/a the Romans who were Italians who were Europeans ergo "White People." Then of course there is his reference to "the US of KKK A." Nice.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's not gloss over this fact: This man is Barack Obama's mentor. And what does Barack Obama say?
Obama defended Wright’s longtime activism for blacks in America last week at a campaign event in Ohio.“Jeremiah Wright … has said some things that are considered controversial because he’s considered that part of his social gospel,” Obama said.
I don't remember Jesus playing the race card.
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He is for all Americans. You are not being fair here to bring up the words of others.
Not fair at all.
When I listened to the Pastor's rants I became irate. This was blatant Racism against Whites. And this is Obama's Mentor for 20 years?
The 'good' pastor is no longer the leader of the Church but is now in an 'Advisory' role in Obama's Campaign.
A White Candidate would not even be given the opportunity to try and explain this relationship.
In the world of 'Race Baiters' any association with someone like Rev. Wright would automatically paint that person as a Racist.
What say you Mr. Obama?
You need to recall that by Wright's standards, a black person cannot be racist by definition.
Jesus was a black man.
Jesus wasn't racist.
ERGO... black people are not racist!
Simple. And if you disagree, you are a racist and you don't matter.
olive colored completion more than likely and you are correct he was not racist. Jeremiah Wright preaches black liberation theology and I do not know what that is. I thought being a Christian was just that no matter what color your skin so I am a little confused at to what he preaches.
of black oppression by white people and black liberation by black people. Inherent in this is the story about how civilization has grown from African roots.
Christianity preaches the gospel of freedom from sin (of the personal variety) through the work of Jesus Christ. For ALL who will receive it.
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And you quickly come to the conclusion that Jesus was 50% Scottish.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
"No, Jesus wasn't black... but he was Middle Eastern. Think about that for a second."
"No matter how much lipstick you put on the taxation pig, it's still a pig... and it's currently snout-down in your wallet." - Michael Fisk
Nothing special and nothing new. You would have trouble finding media condemnation of any KKK type slurs or other cheap racism coming from the left, Charlie Rangel comes to mind. It's routine on left wing blogs and mars the immigration debate. It's also how the media views most Americans and how some of the lowest of life forms, the MSM, deludes themselves into absurd feelings of superiority, illiterates that they are.
The extremist, hate filled, bizzaro, right wing, us, will just have to keep hammering on this. Long before this is over Obama and his"lovely" wife will provide us with more grist for the mill.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmE3YWI3NDJjZjM5M2Y5NjNhO...
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
Barack's response?
"I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Merciful heaven! Let's hope that gets picked up; I find it very hard to believe most Americans would vote for Obama if they knew he would attend a church where the pastor said such things. How is this any better than Pat Robertson's "we had it coming" 9-11 statements which got him in so much trouble?
If Christ is risen, nothing else matters; and if Christ is not risen, nothing else matters. — Jaroslav Pelikan
Thall shall not criticize Obama.
Anyone who does is a racist.
HOPE! CHANGE!
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So this video should lead to criticism of Senator Obama? Is there proof Senator Obama feels the same way? I don't see it.
You've got to be kidding. Why would he continue to go to "church" there for 20 years? Why would he allow his babies to hear such base hatred? There is a chronological record that this type of hate is not a new thing for "Pastor" Wright, so Senator Obama must find some meaningful insight in his "good" word. How could you take a child to such a hate filled place? The criticism is prima facie, please take off your blinders.
Tim Schieferecke
Until Obama wins the nomination. I wouldn't want to add any fuel to any fire that would prevent Obama from winning the nomination.
Because, as I answered my yellow dog Republican brother in law in Mississippi as to what Democrat he should vote for, i.e. who is the easier to beat, I answered Obama without question.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Hillary has very high negatives, he doesn't. Hillary will motivate Republicans unsure of voting for McCain to turn out and do so anyway. Incidentally, when these stay at homers do turn out, they'll also vote for Republican legislators. I don't think they will be as stirred up with an Obama nomination; result- possibly lose the Presidency, definitely won't win either house. The media will continue to surpress bad press on Obama as much as they can. In my humble opinion, we need to keep Obama and Clinton fighting amongst themselves as long as possible so they'll both be damaged goods come November. McCain and the RNC won't do the aggressive campaign of exposure on either of these two, so the best strategy is to let them do it to themselves. God bless you Rush!
Tim Schieferecke
But a good chunk of Hillary voters are going to vote for McCain. Call them racist Dems if you will or call them Dems who want Hillary to run again in 2012 and want to label Obama someone who couldn't beat McCain in a "Democrat year" if he decides to take another shot in the Dem primary in 2012.
This preacher is just scratching the surface of Obama's far-left and out of touch positions. Of course, Hillary can't make many of those points because that is what the Democratic base wants in the primary, someone as far left as possible.
To show my realism, I think we lose 2+ Senate seats, but I think McCain beats Obama by 5+%. One thing the far-left mouthpieces are right about is Clinton is previewing the GOP's attack on Obama, but they haven't seen nothing yet and Clinton is using only a fraction of the ammunition available against that fraud.
The media has already thrown Hillary under the bus, but they're not going to do so with Obama. I'm hopeful that the Rezko issue will envelope Obama to the point of indictment, that would be good. You stated that a large chunk of Hillary voters would turn towards McCain if she loses, but what about all of the Obama supporters who would crossover or stay home if he loses? I see this as a win-win scenario for McCain no matter how it's sliced, but McCain v Obama is the scariest scenario. We need to regain at least one of the houses this next time around, and I only see that happening with McCain v Clinton. Plus, I want to see their convention absolutely explode. They are in an existential crisis right now, and they will be finished if certain groups are alienated by the party's super-delegate actions.
Tim Schieferecke
I have to believe that if every Republican emails this to ten people around the country: we are looking at President McCain.
I just can't believe blue collar Reagan democrats are going to support this kind of thing once they hear about it. It is strange that Hillary is not broadcasting this on tv every day..
Obama is Jimmy Carter- only without the sweater.
Sounds like a solid movie title, eh?
Once again, a candidate will have to repudiate/denounce a surrogate. Are we in the Twilight Zone this campaign season?
Just watch and see. He'll do some kind of repudiation. Doesn't really matter though. The Dem attack script has been well written by co-authors Clinton and Obama. All Senator McCain has to do is follow it well.
is a black man and probably supports the teachings to uplift the black community. Isn't that what the black voters would expect from him? I am afraid when it comes down to it this election will not unite black and white America.
Arel
Hillary saids she won the big state's and the most electioral vote's.but any Dem that run will win thoses states. But the states that Obama won she can't win, so ask her can she win without the vote he has won.
Thank you.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
but I'm going to defend this... I'm an expert on religion in America at Princeton - and understand the roots of Wright's Comments, and strongly believe neither party should use this against either candidate. I understand people finding it racists, but it is an expression of/for black people that comes out of racism.
I suggest, before anybody comments further, they watch this lecture by James Cone -
http://www.hds.harvard.edu/news/events_online/ingersoll_2006.html
Simply put, this is not a place for Politics to Mess. Too much is at stake... an academic, a cultural, and a theological tradition. That at its heart is not racists, yet expressionists.
I hope those here at RedSate will take the moral stand here.
and have commented on here twice already. That's a unique definition of rarely.
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
but I don't really like to express my opinions, as much as read others - this just hits kind of close to home for me... So, I felt a need to speak up.
...and finally decided to join and chime in. What's not clear to me is why, of all the issues we discussed, this issue should cause him to speak up. It's sort of odd, but I guess I'll just have to ask him directly.
is because I know a lot of these folks and understand what drives their comments... I don't know the degree to which Wright affects Obama's political views, but doubt it is to strongly - Obama doesn't seem like the Jesse Jackson type. This is just my arena, and rarely does RS touch my arena.
would have found anything to agree with in your remarks, and I am certain that he would not have expressed them so poorly.
soli Deo gloria
but a lot of folks here (well at the seminary) would and have since the Civil War... Cohen has lectured here, King and Barth lectured together, Neibuhr Cohen's teacher has.
You, by the evidence of this post, are what's wrong with what passes for "higher education" in the US. I would suspect that there's not much you wouldn't try hard to justify in the world of overt racism by "people of color".
Obama's pastor is a racist, and an anti-American bigot to boot. The "moral stand" would be to condemn Wright and shame him from the public eye.
This is precisely the place for "Politics to Mess", because his arrogant, ignorant and bigoted remarks are purely political not theological.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Sen. Obama's politics? Really take time to see what you are critiquing, these are not M. X. type radicals
of advisors. They include the most virulant group of anti-Americans that anybody has assembled on the national stage.
I know exactly what I'm critiquing, and these people are precisely a bunch of radicals.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
As far as Rev. Wright, I have diminished respect for someone who reinvents history so as to call Jesus black vs. the Roman as whites. You don't refute a myth of a white Jesus by creating a new falsehood - and then create a new blood libel by saying that whites killed the black Messiah, substituting the whites in place of the Jews as the object of hate.
I won't accept a "cultural" defense of that practice either; it's just not defensible, and it certainly isn't Christian or the kind of gospel Jesus was preaching. Jesus didn't go around stirring up hatred against the Romans who had oppressed his people - rather, he spoke of walking the extra mile...
I'm sure there are historical antecendents, etc. that can put this in a context, but understanding does not mean that one therefore is compelled to defend the indefensible.
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As to how Wright's remarks reflect on Obama, that's for Obama to determine. He apparently is the one who has stated that he views Wright as his mentor, which means the Obama could be presumed to have views that are close. Thus, Obama does need to speak up.
While I don't believe that he needs to specifically repudiate/denounce etc. support from Rev. Wright, Obama does need to make some sort of statement as to his relationship to Rev. Wright's teachings - because Obama started the conversation by calling Wright his mentor.
And I agree that I would not want to use this tape against Obama unless Obama expressed agreement with these views. But it is fair game to question Obama about his opinion of the statements that Rev. Wright has made.
A.) he is not attempting to create historically white Jesus, yet recognize the Christ more functions at a myth and most people give Christ their own identity. This is why Presbyterian Churches (The borings and nearly most liturgical or services) are the wealthiest and best educated. Religion is created around you identity.
B.) I strongly urge you to take the time to watch Cohen speak. As Introduce Cohen to students the first reaction is always that he is a racists, until we talk about it a while...have some minority students speak, and I find that most students (these are want-to-be pastors) warm up to him.
http://www.hds.harvard.edu/news/events_online/ingersoll_2006.html
I think you are right in that a couple of questions to allow Obama to say, as he has said, he doesn't agree with everything Wright says is appropriate. But, lets face it, My Grandfather was a racists and I'm not going to reject him.
about blacks he would be blacklisted from every campus in the US and universally - by your class - reviled as a foul racist.
Lord, I'm thankful I don't have kids at Princeton.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
recognize the Christ more functions at a myth and most people give Christ their own identity
Yes, if you remove Jesus from personhood and turn him into a human-created religious figure unmoored from culture and history (and birth and life and agonizing death and bodily resurrection) - if Jesus is just paint on an artist's palette, then what Wright is doing is no different, by this standard, than what anyone else has done in the 2000 years of Christianity.
By doing so, though, you've already begged the question, in that you're operating from a post-modern of deconstructionist world view that denies history and Scripture and religious entities as possessing any objective truth.
Of course, such a world-view represents the end of nationhood, as there is no higher or external basis to unite communities with different stories. It also means that there is no justice or morality or other objective ground on which a self-defined oppressed group can appeal to its "oppressor" group to change their treatment of their group, except by manipulating at the non-rational level that group to change its story. This is the picture of a society grounded in tyranny.
However, stepping outside your academic circles, most of us here at RedState, whether believers or skeptics, still give obeisance to traditional Western thought and universal values binding on all people, regardless of race, creed, or other distinguishing identity. And all are responsible for conforming their lives to these objective values - truth, justice - regardless of their personal opinions or stories.
Which is why Rev. Wright's story doesn't change his accountability for his words.
by training so I look at facts, even though I have some experience with modern thought, and the facts of religious history lead you to diverse rather than absolute claims.
Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
since of a harsh reality...sometimes the need to reconcile a political power...mostly 'need'
But, the opposite of faith is being absolute
Try religion.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I hope, that the number of cretins produced by that discipline proves fairly conclusively that sociology is fact driven in the same way that witchcraft is.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
and right on point.
Sociology is, in fact, a joke.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
but answers like this simply serve to beclown yourself. I'm surprised you haven't made the impassioned defense of upscale racist Cornel West. Aren't we as deserving of that cri de coeur as MyDD and dKos?
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
After watching Moning Joe and hearing
them repeate over and over what Obama's pastor said I became aware that american is not ready for a black president and may never be.
If you are black and live in american we must take a new drection.
we must not waste time with govement but make as much money as we can invest it over sea's and let white american do as it will it will not hurt us. I will never vote for any part of govement black or white and teach as many childern as I can to stop waist there time on things they cant change.
The moral stand here is to condemn this sort of speech as what it is : virulent hate speech.
Furious activity is no substitute for understanding.
-- H. H. Williams
Just what I need, an "expert" from Princeton to tell me how to take a moral stand. I think I'll just keep on being critical of people who are openly anti-American.
Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney
I have been attending Republican conventions for 20 years, some as a delegate, and did not sign up here until this year. Does that make me not worthy to contribute? If you say yes-so be it, but I find it interesting that newbies to this site should "not post" That is what McCain and his supporters are saying to conservatives who are not supporting him. If you want to fight, fight the Dems, not conservatives (or would be's) new to this site.
You missed the bot infection - and I only caught the tail end of it. Basically, folks just jumping on to drop a pile and run off. Or dropping a pile and then getting the blamstick by uttering continual nonsense. If cardboard's intentions are good, he will stay on and discuss. If not...
Erik
I think the answer is, sadly, yes.
Between being a minion of the Reverend Wright, his wife's awful admission of being unproud of being American, his friendship with William Ayres, and even his own words, recalled by Mona Charen here , I think the evidence is growing that Barack is a card carrying member of the left wing Daily Kos netroot anti-America wing of the Democrat party. Wake up, America!
BTW, I think you should have to be able to name your state senator in order to be allowed to vote for BO.
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
own words
please?
Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
was brought up by the Dems. in this election cycle. The MSM is going to take it and run with it because it helps their cause. The MSM has a vested interest in Barack winning and will help him all they can, as evidenced by their supportive coverage of Barack and Michelle.
I do have a question for you though.
If you are an expert on religion, what religion and what qualifies you as a expert, as opposed to someone who knows about a lot of religions?
I agree the MSM will run with it...and I could really care less about its dealing with the Obamas... It is more about not letting the academic field of Black Theology not be tarnished due to ignorance.
My expertise is Modern American Religion with a focus on Religion and Politics. I guess I am just someone who knows a lot about religion, but with a bunch of degrees to back that up. Some say the difference between a expert and a hobby is an expert gets paid?
that the "ignorance" that's on display is that of Wright.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
as Cohen is quick to point out, my folks were not lynched... Hate comes from pain, and religion comes from suffering, and I don't think dealing with those areas is good for our political discourse.
Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
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I have never heard anyone say that suffering produces knowledge or wisdom. Suffering is bad, but there is not an inverse relationship between comfort and knowledge.
The Germans suffered between the wars, but that does not excuse their ideology.
We judge a tree by its fruits.
"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper
between comfort and religious expression... I mean, Christ words about passing through the eye of a needle ring true here
Comfort can lead to worldliness, which causes one to lose sight of god.
CAN is the operative word.
"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper
and unjust poor folks, and vice-versa.
the love of money is the root of evil, the possession of it is not its signifier.
"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper
that makes a huge judgment that lacking religion is evil... I'm stating, by stat research, the wealthier a people group are the less religious
Specifically, about the difficulty in putting one's faith in an invisible, immaterial God when surrounded by the abundance of a visible and material world.
Though expression is linked to faith, they are not the same, nor is one excused by t'other.
Being sincere has never been an escape from the consequences of one's deeds.
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This too shall pass.
are not going to Princeton. Easy to see why parents have to straighten them out after the start college.
to corrupt your children by introducing them to the thought people have a wide variety of experiences, and this a wide variety of religious expressions.
"a wide variety of religious expressions", everyone is doing what is right in their own eyes. The division that exist within even christianity is appauling. The things that divide us are often times so trivial. This statement gets to the root of all division within our nation and the reason we can not come together.
And this man has the "audacity" of calling himself a Christian.
"Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
"Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
"If we ever forget that we are One Nation under God, then we will be a Nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Politico.com
If you go to those websies, you will fine absolutely no links to Pastor-gate.
Now you know who the media is supporting.
The media's been fair and balanced this entire election cycle. I'm really getting tired of hearing everyone blame the media for the way that Obama is treated and the way McCain isn't. Don't you know that this is a time for hopeandchange? He's the kind of President that only comes along once ina lifetime, and gives me tingles up my leg when I hear him speak.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."-Barry Goldwater
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
if Jesus taught this man not to hate, the implication clearly is that Jesus is a lousy teacher! what a thing to say from the pulpit!
and Obama's not rich?
With 5 weeks till Pennsylvania, I would like to see some polling out of the alphabet networks that show how this has hurt Obama.
These comments from Obama's preacher can't make the Hispanic bloc feel good.
There is a strong undercurrent of racism in the black community and it has to stop.
man walking now.
Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
CNN is reporting that the religious racist, Jeremiah Wright, is now on vacation for 3 weeks.
Convenient
Saying his mentor's statements are "part of his ... gospel" scares me more than Huckabee's alleged remarks about making the Constitution be more in line with the Bible (whether or not that's what Huck actually meant, I don't know). Hopefully he's not being serious with that, as that means he not only does not repudiate Rev. Wright's hate speech (which, from what I've read, isn't too far removed from a chroma-flipped David Duke), but considers it to be the truth.
Hopefully Senator Obama is just being ruthlessly naive to what he just said with that. At least stupidity is something we can deal with... it's par for the course for the political class, sadly.
"No matter how much lipstick you put on the taxation pig, it's still a pig... and it's currently snout-down in your wallet." - Michael Fisk