Michelle Obama thinks you're worthless and stupid, thinks voting for her husband will be the only worthwhile thing you ever do.

But hey -- like, vote for Change and the Future and Stuff!

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"For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I Am Really Proud of My Country," said Michelle Obama, rich lawyer and wife of Barack Hussein (same last name), yesterday.

Excuse me? A female, African-American, Princeton-and-Harvard-educated attorney, who has achieved a great deal in her life, who lived through the Civil Rights revolution (and was the daughter of a Chicago city worker who really experienced those events), and who is married to an African-American man who is a U.S. Senator, has never been proud of her country before?

Putting that aside for a moment, what is it that we've suddenly done to -- finally -- make her proud now? Allow her husband to enter a primary that he hasn't even won yet?

Let me get this straight: a couple of ultra-successful, Ivy League-educated, wealthy, elitist liberals who have never been proud of their country want all of us little people to vote for them to be our PRESIDENT and FIRST LADY?

They want to represent a people, and govern a country, that has never, once, ever in their adult lives made them proud?

Wow.

This utter lack of pride in their country or its people is ESPECIALLY damning in light of the amazing and praiseworthy work that President Bush has done for Africa during his terms as President -- especially given the fact that Obama still has family there (which seems a bit strange, given that he is so wealthy and, apparently, holy and powerful -- why is his grandmother still living in a hut in a desolate village on the Dark Continent when her son is this successful in America?).

Anyway, just shut up and vote for Barack so that his wife can finally appreciate something you stupid people in this country she is so forcibly made to endure living in have done.

Got it?


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that rather than representing change, Barak and Michelle Obama are just another version of the same crowd of elitist, liberal, smarter than you, kinder than you, prettier than you, apologizing for America saps that the Democrat elite has always found to carry it's banner. Sad the drones that vote for them can't sit up and smell the roses.

Another $100.00 for McCain. Please keep it up Michelle, you may be better than Hillary.

speak, the more I truly can not stand her.
What a tool!
Do these people even think before they speak?
She needs to keep talking. I think she may end up being the gift that keeps on giving. She's very close to stepping into a very big pile. I can't help but think that in a general election campaign she will turn off many.

Lets think about this.
1. Man on the moon didn't do it for her.
2. The fall of the Berlin wall didn't make it for her.
3. The collapse of the soviet union was just a tickle
4. Americans winning olympic medals and Nobel prizes a mere nothing.
5. Her nation deciphering the Human Genome trivial.
6. Our building the first permanently manned spaced station a ehhh
7. Our creation of the internet. (People shouldn't know things its not a plus)
8. The liberation of Kuwait.
9. The liberation of Panama.
10. The liberation of Grenada
11. The Liberation of Afghanistan.
12. The Shuffling of Saddam off this mortal coil.

If all the above couldn't make her proud of this nation are we expected to believe that the nation falling for a stupid socialist organizer with a slick line of speech is going to make her proud. ? If anyone buys that she is proud of the country for buying the load that her husband is selling maybe Susan jacoby is right and America is dumbing down.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

1. Man on the moon didn't do it for her.
Mrs. Obama was 5 years old at the time.

6. Our building the first permanently manned spaced station a ehhh

Mir was the first built by the Russians, we followed with Skylab which never maintained orbit and crashed in the Australian outback. The current ISS the International Space Station is well just look at the name, International but the US is largley responsible.

7. Our creation of the internet. (People shouldn't know things its not a plus)
The Arpanet whic is a US development became the Internet but the World Wide Web the format that we are using it in now is a Swiss creation.

I was four years old and proud as all get out.

I'm rejecting the previous comment that she couldn't have been proud about the man on the moon because she was only five.

Thats pretty sad
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

...Or how about the plain old freedom in this country that allows everyone the choice of deciding their own lives, professions, and religion?

...Or how about black men and women rising to some of the highest levels of government, society, and culture? ...Not to mention a shot at the White House?

This woman is either a blind fool, truly anti-American, or a liar.
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I am very proud of my country but some of your examples were inaccurate and common misbeliefs.

I was just pointing out your mistakes.

The NVA tried to use this to break prisoners moral saying that we could put men on the moon but wouldn't get them out of prison. The prisoners took such pride in the accomplishment they turned it around and used it to depress the guards by pointing at the moon and shouting USA.

So yes I think it is fair to ask a forty four year old woman who was alive at the time of the moonlanding to take pride that her nation managed mankinds greatest accomplishment to date.

I didn't want to get into a nitpicking fest with you on this because I doubted I would be able to stop myself from crossing lines. But you're gone.

Permanently manned not manned.

The internet is not the web. Only an idiot confuses the system of roads with a model of car.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Hit the wrong reply tag.

I'm rejecting the previous comment that she couldn't have been proud about the man on the moon because she was only five.

I haven't had any caffeine yet so I am being stupid

Taking comments out of context and trying to exagerate them into something much deeper and insidious is trite and that is what my real point is here.

But if you want to waste time and parse words we can, What part of "in My Adult Lifetime" confusses you? You think 5 year olds are adults?

it most certainly was not taken out of context. And I sincerely hope somebody with cajones shoves it in his/her face at every opportunity.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Imagine if your dad was winning some sort of lifetime achievement award, but you knew he was mentally abusive and cold and cruel to your mom. Would you be able to feel proud of his achievement? Now imagine that he finds redemption somehow, late in life. (This is the plot of Wild Strawberries) Perhaps this is what it is like to be a black American: none of the accomplishments matter, because the country has a cold heart. But when you see the country moving forward and treating a black man seriously, that is like when the old man in Wild Strawberries unfreezes his heart and seeks forgiveness and redemption.

Perhaps this is what it is like to be a black American: none of the accomplishments matter, because the country has a cold heart.

If this is true, then it just goes to show how much "black Americans" have been held down by people they consider their leaders.

African-Americans have done great things in this country, yet they still feel "the country has a cold heart"? Why? Because Jesse Jackson, CNN, their church pastor and the instructor in their diversity class (among others) told them so.

Until these leaders STEP UP and tell black Americans that they need to ACT like they are equal, PURSUE opportunity and be PROUD of the country of their birth, there will never be an improvement in race relations...

...and the election of a black President will do NOTHING to change that.

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The most charitable nation in the history of the world has a "cold heart"?

Dude, I don't know what Wild Strawberries is but you need to reconsider your pseudo-intellectual reading of the world.

4. Americans winning olympic medals and Nobel prizes a mere nothing.

You mean like Al Gore? As an American are you proud of Al Gore winning a Nobel prize?

Here is the entire quote:

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

Now judge for yourselves.

I am not so much trying to defend Mrs. Obama as to call attention to the deliberate cherry picking of words and phrases in a blatant attempt to generate hatred of Mrs. Obama. She did not call anyone worthless. She did not call anyone stupid nor does her comment imply that at all.

Try making a grownup post sometime and actually discuss politics.

I.E. you have been sold and now its your turn to sell to four more.

I'll say it again the woman isnt proud. She is positively peeing in her pants giddy that so much of the nation has been taken in by a man that would be better suited to being a carnival barker.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I don't what you think, but to me that particular sentence encapsulated the sentiment of that little speech.

Romney/Pace 2008

I understand kinda like this statement:

"Some people call you the elites; I call you my base"

Better spin would have been that she meant to say "this is the proudest I've been of my country in my adult life," but misspoke.

Whether this was a Freudian slip or an actual slam, the context you've provided only reinforces the statement. It makes it worse.

It reinforces the point that she is proud, at long last, because people are hungry for change, presumably change from all those things she's so not proud of!

The context you have provided only enhances her disdain for all that is good that this country has done so far. Fits perfectly with Obama's message. Here's some context:

"Yes, we can. But no, we haven't."

absentee

Mrs. Obama's statement alone disqualifies him from ever being president.

We cannot have a first lady who admits to being unproud of her country.

I'm sorry, but we need to make this an issue.

Its a non-issue. Get over yourself and how can her statement disqualify him? You make little sense.

oh no we won't.
This will be filed away for the general election.
My only hope is that she steps in an even bigger pile.

"Oh no it isn't"

Oh yes it is.

There, I think we have finally degraded into a school yard arguement.

Then we'll see.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

You don't really believe in America, do you?

If we have to use Mrs. Obama's comments to drill home this point, so be it.

It's just a comment at a campaign rally. Frankly I'm getting sick of all this hypersensitivty to everything any candidate or their surrogates say. It will be forgotten in a day. She will be an asset to the campaign for many voters and she will be hated by many because she is in the wrong party and nothing else. I like her fine because she has a good sense of humor. Democratic partisans used to make fun of Nancy Reagan because of her over the top defense of her husband. But the public in general loved the fact that their marriage was a true partnership. I suspect the same will be true for the Obamas, They obviously have a great marriage and a nice family. Though her generation is different and her style is different, her devotion to her husband reminds me of Nancy Reagan. Two women who are/were crazy about their husbands. And two husbands crazy about their wives. Nobody votes based on spouses. And, by the way, can Cindy McCain even talk?

So the wife of the most liberal Senator is now proud for the first time. Congratulations and thanks for purveying more elitist liberal tripe under the guise of change. I suppose our country has been worthless up until now and we should praise Heaven that salvation is on the horizon. As usual, truth is between the words and reveals a sober truth.

It's funny the MSM engages in extensive slobbering over how well Barrack Hussein Obama speaks. Yet we should accept the prolific patronizing nonsense and ignore everything else such as his wife's statements? I am confused; is she an asset or isn't she? Should we get out the redacting pen and only save the "good" stuff? Garbage, it's time to judge his intent, capabilities, accomplishments and character; that includes his wife who is forcefully participating in this great Houdini act.

Please don't compare her to Nancy Reagan as that allegory is beyond ridiculous. She is more like Obama's "Marceline" blinded by a ludicrous veneration and consumed by the sudden crush of misguided ardor; albeit they share the same disastrous vision and topical, shallow understanding of what this country needs to survive into the future.

This has nothing to do with party and everything to do with accountability. To date, there has not been much of the latter and I for one hope this continues to receive more scrutiny as we tried to unveil what BHO's vision really is.

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Mrs. Reagan made statements about her husband, while Mrs. Obama's statements are really about the country.

If Nancy Reagan would have said something like being proud of the country for the first time---conservatives would have chastised her for it. Of course, she wouldn't have done it since (1) she didn't feel that way and (2) she would have known that Ron disagreed with the underlying message.

I, for one, am not letting this go.

This is one of the scariest comments I have ever heard in any campaign. Maybe the Che poster in Houston was just a local thing but is there any doubt that the lunatic anti-american fringe has found it's home in the Obama campaign? Mrs. Obama's comment suggests that they should feel right at home.

Seems that it was just a poor choice of words. If she had gone on to badmouth America or if she had been burning a flag when she said it then you'd have a case. She was just trying to talk about how proud she is of her husband. No great crime there.

I find this type of 'gotcha' politics really annoying, from either side.

she becomes a real liability. But of course, she also represents what a very large percentage of the wrong-headed MSM and other liberal elites have been thinking for a long time. A Princeton/Harvard education is a recipe for a half-baked Hofstadter-type brainiac-wannabe mindset.

Some people are educated out of common sense and natural intelligence.

Samc - I , nor many other Consrvatives "hate" leftists as people. Their policies and attitudes towards this Republic and our citizens are what - as history and experience has shown REPEATEDLY are wrong and in many cases dangerous .
I know what kind of indoctrination Michelle and her man got in the Ivy league..... I spent 5 years in Princeton as a youth .
Niether of the Obamas have shown the kind of perfidy in which the Clintons routinely engage .
Having said that BHO is to the LEFT of the Shrew and Willy and he is a neophyte who still believes the version of history he was 'taught' in college.
Socialism is dead and BHO still thinks the right people have not tried it yet with the proper funding...... .

Today is the day that Obama puts the death nail in Clinton. put she will gone for a few more weeks insuring a defeat for the DEMS in the fall. His wifes's comments will be used against her in the general

Just what America needs, another co-Presidency, one man and his stronger woman not behind him, nor at his side, but 'holding' him upright.

http://friends-of-the-bear.blogspot.com/2008/02/ronald-reagan_9239.html

"Government in not the solution, government is the problem"

It seems that we are moving closer and closer to a popular monarchy/figurehead model... and are being guided by the MSM onto this path.

Why do we even care about this wife? We are not electing her. It used to be that qualifications mattered most... or it seems that it was so in the past... Now it seems that only how well a candidate speaks, or looks, or what the spouse looks and talk like is important... Bah!

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It might help if we focus on the policy angles proposed by the Clintons and Obama, rather than the campaign hyperbole of his wife. This is an emotion driven campaign for any number of reasons, already beaten to death. If we're committed to defeating the Dems in November, we'll need to marshall every resource to get GOP voters to the booth. I doubt very seriously if Michell Obama's musings about her pride of country is going to make the difference. However, focusing on the their plans for Iraq, business and the economy is a whole different story.

Whether you like it or not, many voters vote as much on the personal qualities of the candidate and the campaign's themes as much, if not, more so than their policy views.

Her comments reflect very poorly of her. On the one hand she claims children who score poorly on standardized test scores are banised to a world of low expectations that is impossible for them to overcome. Yet here we have a black woman who performed poorly on standardized test scores who went on to achieve a great deal academically, professionally and economically.

Her comments reflect that she believes the United States over the past 20 is simply not a very good place. This is the same for Barack Obama's message - implicit in his message of change is that this country is a horrible place where people can not succeed, prosper or attain happiness and that his government will fix all that.

Of course we're not perfect, but this is still the greatest nation on earth with the greatest opportunities for everyone, no matter what situation they are born in to. If they cannot recognize the good in this country, they are blinded by something which will make them poor leaders. If they cannot recognize the good in this county, where will they want to take us?

So these comments are very relevant and must be seized upon by the Republicans to highlight the very depressing and pessimistic view of the country that the Obamas hold.

"So these comments are very relevant and must be seized upon by the Republicans to highlight the very depressing and pessimistic view of the country that the Obamas hold."s

If this is all we can seize upon to distinguish ourselves from the fantasy world of the Democrats, we are in serious trouble. It's incomprehensible why insensitive and stupid comments like this, drive talk radio, the main stream media, and blogs. She's not the candidate for office, he is, and I think we need to focus on him and his policies. And unless I'm mistaken, there has been plenty of negativity expressed by countless pundits, cable hacks and newspaper editors a hell of alot worse than this and the world has not ended.

Fine, it was a telling comment by a spouse, we got the point. Now let's move on to something that really matters, like renewing FISA.

It is your world view which informs your leadership. Mrs. Obama is clearly stating a distaste for "America" while her husband is talking about "change".

2 + 2 = 4. Check their math. These two are socialists of the first degree that want to take America down that failed path(see France).

and sorry we didn't make the grade until now.
But what about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the rule of law and an uninterrupted democracy, the untold millions who unbidden and with eagerness and hope who came, fled, to this despised country?

Did you give a thought to the World Wars we fought, the Cold War that eventually led to the collapse of the most extensive tyranny in history, the advances in the standard of living and science, technology, the Nobel prizes our scientists won, almost routinely?

How about the happiness and peace people found in this nation you apparently despaired of, the opportunity, the freedom, although I expect a hackneyed, timeworn complaint on that.

Your country even now does not give you the pride you mention.
What you are proud of is a premature expectation the your husband will sit in the White House with you whispering policy sweet nothings in his ear and an adoring media cheering your every inane statist move, your every mind numbing and spirit killing, power grubbing collectivist initiative.

You are not proud of your country, you never will be. Your pride centers in yourself and your husband and you only give America and it's history and strengths the crumbs, the spillover from that overweening and misplaced pride.

Thanks Michelle, but keep it to yourself, I, We, don't want it or hear of it.
Today's exercise, look up "humility" in the dictionary.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

her 'adult lifetime.' Unless I've misjudged her age the World Wars predate her adulthood.

I don't like Barack so I won't vote for him - my dislike for him doesn't stem from his wife though.

She'll get a pass for saying irrational stuff like this - she's talking up her husband after all.

Flushed down the sinkhole of "Social Programs"?

I believe that is hardworking AMERICANS having their wealth transferred to the underprivileged, usually met with whining and demanding more. I can see why she would be ashamed.

Man, the more I think about this, the more it pisses me off.

Hey, I'm a right leaning Independent so maybe I'm not welcome here. I didn't suggest that all conservatives hate liberals, but if you read blogs and listen to much talk radio it's obvious that many do. It's the same on the far left. My point was that I don't think the average voter pays much attention to this stuff. I am a political junkie, but since I'm not a pure ideologue, I have a bit of the average voter in me. Even though I don't agree with Senator Obama's positions and philosophy, I still find this kind of stuff tedious. How the Clinton's use this junk is what will be interesting. Her back is against the wall right now with how the polls look in Texas. My guess is that most of the Democrats in Congress are holding their breath. I doubt that another 4 or 8 years of defending the Clinton shennanigans in the White House is very appealing to the rank and file.

...well enough to use the "Reply to This" link to respond to comments?

and if you can't tell the difference in "hate" regarding right and left, the reasons, the justification, and most importantly, the degree as well as the policies, than no wonder you're an independent.

Give either Barack or Hillary time, you may find yourself becoming less independent, pain is a great teacher.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

from Jonathan Last at the Weekly Standard:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/764fos...

The last paragraph sums it up well: "Instead of seeing America as a place which afforded her the opportunity to create a blessed life, Mrs. Obama seems to view it as a place where some "people" are always trying to hold her back. Whoever these "people" are, we should be glad they haven't been successful. Michelle Obama's progress is--despite her telling of it--an inspirational story that should make us proud of America, not frustrated by, and scornful of, it. It says something about her view of this nation, and of her husband and herself, that she seems to find it so difficult--their own experience notwithstanding--to feel gratitude for and pride in her country."

boomer, to see who is the MOST full of themselves. Now that's Reality TV!

Narcisstic? Moi? from "Fawlty Towers"

When people on the right overcome odds, fight their way to the top, struggle through adversity, and achieve something great, they look at it as a success story. A inspirational story of how they "made it."

When people on the left do the same thing, it is taken as instructive that forces were out to foil them.

When I work hard and achieve a goal, I like for people to know how hard I worked. The Obamas want to know why it wasn't easy.

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He wouldn't face the flag when others were saluting it. She doesn't like America one bit. These are not trivial carps and gotchas, not when the Mr O's touting himself as the great healer of the divisions in America.

I buy that the comment is a little over the top and certainly is worth batting around. But what does going to Harvard have to do with it? Sure I have my beef with my own Georgetown peers when they slip into wild eyed moonbat debates and arguments, but our current president and his father went to Yale and George Jr to Harvard Business School?? This just sounds like such a pathetic rhetorical argument and one that I'm tired of hearing here.

I know its an attempt to make ivy leaguers look out of touch and overly academic, but I dont get how Republicans or conservatives make someone's alma mater a big deal when their own president has almost exactly the same education? Do we have anything better to lob at her besides, you went to Harvard, and therefor you suck?? What does that say about the President?

Sorry I'm lost.

One of the best in the world (No I am not going there).
Most people would be proud of having the chance to attend.

People that wouldn't, would be the excessively overprivileged or those otherwise incapable of appreciating good fortune.
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certain people are overly impressed with the brand name of their education, no one more so than the graduates of Ivy League law schools.

They have a tenuous grasp of reality and think that the larger world operates according to the same word-centered rule book that has made their own success possible. But Hezbollah, Assad, the mad mullahs et al don't play by that rule book, which is why Ivy lawyers are so DANGEROUS in foreign policy.

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I suggest you re-read, slowly if necessary, until you see that it is obvious that the Ivy League reference was rolled out in the context of the amazing things Michelle "I've always been ashamed of America and its people" Obama was able to accomplish in large part because she had the good fortune of growing up in this country she's been so ashamed of.

Sorry, but doesn't this sound a bit megalomaniacal to you? It does to me.

The ONLY time in her life she feels pride for her country is when she is on the potential cusp of being the First Lady? THAT is the only reason she feels pride for her country?

Do we really want this in the White House? This craving for power?

I do not trust this woman. She will be worse than Hillary if given the chance,... and you can bet your fat one she has plans of riding her husbands coat-tails as well.
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just because it can, if it likes, shout louder and longer than truth.”

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Call me a cynic but I can imagine many politicians sincerely believe that electing them to office is thier country's finest hour.

Thant said, on a tactical note, I'd advise being as polite as you can about the Obamas and in particular her at this point in the contest. This slip isn't enough to roll out the big guns.

Some of the language in these replies is a little weird to me. Can we talk about why McCain is better than either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama instead of discussing moot points about their education or soft jabs at their gender? "As bad as Hillary", I'm just not sure I know what that means....she isn't running for President, and as far as I know, has no intention to become a policy personality in an Obama White House. I'm not sticking up for them, mind you, but rather questioning the vitriol behind such a statement. Stupider things have been said on the campaign trail.

>" can we talk about why McCain is better",etc.
Dorothy, directly and indirectly it's done every day on this site.
>" soft jabs at their gender<". I just know you're not asking for a free pass because of gender, I'm sure I'm right on this. Given what she says gender has nothing to do with it and the cracks about Nancy Reagan and Laura Bush mysteriously did not elicit any whines or cop outs about gender, unless you wish to offer us a few of your own past goodies.
"vitriol", is in the eye and over- sensitivity of the beholder, engendered by one's politics. I saw nothing that would qualify as vitriol but of course you will disagree. But bear in mind Ms Obama is stating that she has, or has had, no pride in the country of which she wants to be First Lady.

You may wish to ponder the possibility of feelings vitriolic, past and present, behind such a statement.

As for comparisons to Hillary, let's just say for now all the makings are there, although in my mind there's little doubt the Mrs will have more than a little to say should these two by the turns of an unkind fate gain the White House.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

n/t. Disgusting says it all.

No excuses for Mrs. Obama. . .

What's in a person's heart WILL eventually come out of their mouth, . . . given enough "off the cuff" opportunities, the R-E-A-L person ALWAYS shows up.

When was the last time any of us heard a Hollywood leftist (Sarandon, Streisands, Clooney, etc.), the Reverends Al and Jesse, Code Pink, George Soros, or any of these people, who have had enormous success in this country, speak of how very thankful and proud they are to be an American? Or when was the last time we had to sit and listen to anyone of the senior Democrat Congressional leadership (e.g Murtha, Durbin, et. al.) denouce our President, or our soldiers, or make horrendous accusations about them. However one might interpret Michelle Obama's comment is their right, but let's not act like she is the only one who has ever focused on this country's short-comings to garner support for their cause.

...I'm afraid that you'd concentrate too hard on trying to think and forget to breathe.

Gotta hate conundra like that.

I can think and breathe quite well.

Because grasping the point of a thread here at RS is so far beyond you.

You're letting your mouth get ahead of your brain.

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Have to remember that.

I'm just a wuss when it comes to partisan politics...I'm a little too idealist I suppose when it comes to bare knuckle political fights, but I suppose her words do require a bit of fall out. It was quite a blunder, that is for sure.

I suppose what I'm probably concerned about is relating to the role of a first Lady. I didn't mind that Hillary was vocal and engaged, but I did mind how she did it and what she believed. But I didn't mind that she tried, that didn't bother me. I don't mind that Michelle is opinionated and vocal and sometimes I feel like the right has real trouble with vocal first ladies.

I am young and still trying to sort out what kind of conservative I am a this point. I haven't heard a peep from Cindy McCain (I've watched a lot of his rallies) and while I think his daughter's involvement is great, I'm on the fence about the right's preference for quiet stoic first ladies. But perhaps I don't know my First Lady history either.

See how you're the only one whose replies to comments are at the bottom of the page, nowhere near the comment you're replying to? Wonder why that is?

Thanks for the heads up, I'm still getting the hang of all of this, despite being a member here for over a year.

Sometimes it takes a little while to learn the ropes.

No, three.

#1. Eleanor Roosevelt. She was a very strong behind the scenes influence as well as acting as a roving ambassador. She's probably the best example and the last example of a good activist FL.

#2. Rosalyn Carter. Sat in on Cabinet Meetings and acted as a defacto advisor to Jimmy. His administration didn't do so well. She is a fool.

#3. The Co-President, Hillary Clinton. And then there was HillaryCare. The Co-Presidents couldn't get a Democratic Congress to even hold hearings on it. It was beyond DOA. She was a complete fricking disaster.

Bottom line, First Ladies - with respect to politics and policy - should be seen and not heard.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Just not sure if I agree with your conclusion....first spouses will certainly continue to play heavily in this election and I hope to see a robust debate about it here at RS.

Ms. Obama's comments should not be taken lightly; I believe she truly meant what she AND what Barack believe. This explain's his behavior towards the flag (at an early Democratic debate, unlike the other Democratic contenders) and his refusal to wear an American flag pin. In his heart, he is ashamed of being an American.

For those of us who are not, it is frightening to think what he would like to do to make himself proud of "his" country.

I thought we weren't using the Barack Hussein (Obama) gag anymore?

It's bush league.

http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/ladies_and_gentlemen_i_ha...

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You need a mentor (like RIGHT NOW, Girlfriend) and I'd be happy to suggest a fine one to ya:

"For those critics to ignore their own past statements, exposes the hollowness of their current attacks."
-Condoleezza Rice

(I suspect her education at U of Denver and Notre Dame trumps yours....)

Mr. E, that's a way over-the-top reaction to a rhetorical exageration by Michelle Obama. I know it plays well with some, but your extrapolation that she "...thinks you're worthless and stupid..." is ridiculous.

How about an analysis of policy? Or do you recommend people vote based on the stump speeches of Cindy McCain vs. Michelle Obama?

OK, you're waaaaaaaay in the front for dumb questions of the year. And even though it's very early, I'll be surprised if anybody takes that particular blue ribbon away from you.

Given that Obama has no policies to analyze the only thing we're left with is his (and hers) feel good BS. Given that Cindy McCain is more than likely to not be making many stump speeches, I'll take hers any day of the week.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I am not sure anyone would want to bring the microscope out and point it at Cindy McCain.

There is some nasty stuff about her affair with McCain while he was still married, her painkiller addiction (Percocet and Vicodin), theft of painkillers from her own nonprofit medical organization she started and of course her role covering up the Keating Five scandal McCain was involved in.

Consider this a preview of the general campaign.

or is this just subjective information?

Erik

I am not really in the business of digging up dirt on Cindy but there is an army of Dems already hard at work, most of it isn't a secret anyways.

"How Cindy McCain was outed for drug addiction

Oct. 18, 1999 | PHOENIX -- GOP presidential candidate John McCain's wife Cindy took to the airwaves last week, recounting for Jane Pauley (on "Dateline") and Diane Sawyer (on "Good Morning America") the tale of her onetime addiction to Percocet and Vicodin, and the fact that she stole the drugs from her own nonprofit medical relief organization.

It was a brave and obviously painful thing to do."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/

McCain will be looked upon by most as being courageous in her recovery and even moreso for being open about it and going public to help others. Millions of Americans have fallen victim to the need for painkillers at some point in their lives. Sorry, but this is a non-issue. To go down this road would be very stupid.

Remember, the Obamas do not like showing their patriotism.
And the Clintons, well, when you get blown in the Oval office and then LIE about it, well, somehow this doesn't make sense for you to bring these things into the picture.
So, nope, you'll have to try for something better.

except maybe with the same idiots who stayed home in 2000 because GWB had a DWI 20 years before.

She's been very upfront about her addiction and her actions. She's never tried to foist off her behavior on others or played the victim. She's in recovery, she's successful today.

This was actually a good snapshot of John McCain, because when she finally admitted she was an addict, he stood by her and was willing to pay the political consequences necessary so she could get sober and in recovery. This is one of the two personal reasons I respect McCain. The other is that his son is an enlisted Marine.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Funny how he didn't stand by his first wife and family. Do you respect him for that too?

Wow. by Bon

You are passing judgment upon a man for his marriage falling apart, after he returned from being tortured in a prison camp for 5 and a half years.

That is one high horse, you got there.

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this deserves an answer.

No, I don't "respect him for that". However, I certainly understand how that happens and he's comported himself in an honorable fashion since. There's never been a hint of a problem in his marriage to Cindy and I tend to not hold 20+ year old failings against a candidate when they are obviously not a lifestyle.

As a for instance, the Clintons have been married only to each other for lots of years. They've stayed together in some very tough times. Now, the cynic in me might think that they've stayed together for purely political reasons, but they did stay married. And then there's Bill's very public bouts with a very long list of ladies. There's that rape thingy and more institutional threats against former paramours than I can keep track of.

By your standard, Bill would deserve your respect more than McCain.

Strange standard, that.

I'm just glad I don't have to wear your judicial robes. They would really weight me down.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Oh I disagree.

From a morals voter perspective she and McCain carried on an affair which ultimately destroyed his marriage and family with his first wife. That is not the example I want a first lady setting, you may be comfortable with that and live your life in that way but I find it offensive.

And I would think having a first lady that is prone to drug addiction and is known to have stolen from a non-profit organization should not be trusted in the White House. You might be comfortable with drug dealers and thieves running our country but I am not.

You've inflated your argument to its detriment. How is Cindy a drug dealer? Did she have a problem? Yes. But, many people across the nation have had substance abuse problems - just look at the number of DUI's in your own town. If you have a link to where she is cited as being a drug dealer, I'd like to see it. If you are pointing to how the MSM will spin it, fine. But, your distress appears to be clouding your judgement.

Erik

Wait...are you insuating that I took something and wildly exagerated it for political purposes?

Like stating Mrs. Obama hates America because she said she was proud of it?

Don't think I was insinuating - I was just being straight up with you.

And how was Jeff wildly exaggerating? Is posting her statement that she is finally proud of her country exaggeration. She's never been proud of her country before???

I'm proud of my country every Veteran's Day, Memorial Day and well, heck, every day.

And the difference between Cindy and Michelle is measured in years. Cindy made amends. Will Michelle?

Erik

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We barely knew you.

I saw the blam stick after I posted my comment. Ach well. Comment echo's Mbecker's and all is well.

Erik

with your comments.
You are nothing but a McCain basher.
Next.

And you an Obama basher. Or maybe just bash anyone who isn't for McCain. Take a step off that high horse.

website and we do want to see him defeated. We are going to use the stupidity of his and his wife's comments against them. That is hard ball politics.

And no high horse here. I'm a FREDHEAD first and then a RUDY girl. McCain and Romney were tied for third with me.

And lastly, lay off your tone with me. You are the one being counterproductive here.

I get it. It's ok to bash Mrs. Obama but lay off Cindy, ya know because she is the Republican. Hypocrisy.

Since when is this site about being nothing but a group of cheerleaders for the Republicans. Don't delude yourself, you are not swaying votes or promoting conservative ideas by bashing Mrs. Obama.

husband and she is spewing anti-American statements. So yeah, we are going to go after her.
If and when Cindy McCain decides to spit on my country, I'll do the same. Deal?

..of cheerleaders for the Republicans." That's part of the point. Since when did you know anything about this site?

Nobody is bashing Mrs. Obama -- just reporting what she said, and very credulously asking a few pointed questions about it.

Dude, did you even read the rules?

http://www.redstate.com/story/2006/1/1/104656/0274

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Please remove yourself and go back to KOS.

the directors of this site have endorsed McCain, so the purpose of this site does include helping him get elected. And those of us that have "lived" here for a long time are going to do just that. We have grieved all the should have, could have, would have moments of Fred, Rudy and Romney and put it all behind us. So that means we will work hard to take Obama out. And when he or his bride step in it, we ARE going to point it out. Loudly!

The ridiculous comments you're spouting (especially the one immediately above this) are proof that you don't know much of anything about the people here, or about this site as a whole. Perhaps you haven't been paying enough attention in the 16 weeks that you've had an account here.

Your last four comments (preceding the one above) have been doing exactly what you cried about in your previous ten: daring to mention a candidate's wife.

Here's a deal: When Michelle Obama stops making stump speeches, we'll stop paying attention to them. Further, when she and her husband stop acting like they are actively ashamed of their country and of its people, we'll stop reporting that they're acting that way.

If you think we appreciate posters who come here to bash the Republican nominee and defend Democratic candidates, think again.

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You're not necessarily a McCain basher, but you are most definitely an idiot.

You can feel free to be offended by conduct from 20+ years ago that was wrong. And you can hold the Clintons up as a poster couple for marriage and family if you want to.

As far as Cindy is concerned, let's understand a couple of things. First, she never dealt drugs, she took them for her personal use. I'm not defending her actions in any way, but she was not, ever, dealing drugs. Second, she's an addict in recovery. She's been successful in her recovery for a long time and that is something to applaud. In today's society, she is a role model, in fact she could be much more of a role model than people who've never had a problem.

As far as being "prone to drug addiction", just hope you never have a problem that causes you debilitating pain. Becoming addicted to perscription drugs is very easy and very sneaky and very, very, very hard to get free from.
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getting a pass.

This woman is 3 years older than me and I can say that in my adult life, I am very proud of my country. Even when they were fool enough to vote for Bubba.
Not sure what her problem is.

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/michelle-obama-takes-heat-for-...

This has really bothered me all day. Has the MSM picked this up. Disgusting. I genuinely hate liberals.

I believe I just heard on Hannity that Mrs. McCain just gave a speech where she called Michelle Obama out on her comments by saying, in effect, "I don't know about you, but I am proud of my country!"

First, can someone confirm? If so, good for her.



Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

What is so bad about this comment--besides the fact that it's extremely unpatriotic--is that it's dripping with narcissism. She is basically stating that she is finally proud of her country because it's voting for her husband--nauseating if you ask me.

Michelle Obama has been a loose cannon for a while, though. She has said things that if any other candidate's spouse had said, they would have been crucified by the media. For instance, she said on 60 Minutes that, "Barack, being a black man, could get shot going to the gas station." Michelle Obama has said on Good Morning America that she is "not sure" if she would support Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee. Imagine, if you will, what the media's reaction would have been if Bill Clinton had said something like that regarding Barack Obama or if Mitt Romney's wife had said something like that regarding John McCain? And now, she says that, "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country." For Republicans, she is the gift that keeps on giving.

Michelle Obama also said that, "As a nation, our souls are broken" when she was campaigning in WI. Now, imagine if Mike Huckabee had said that--the press would have lost their collective minds.

And she is no doubt projecting from personal experience.
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"For the first time this year, I am really hungry."

Now, does that mean this is the first time I've been hungry this year or does it mean that this is the first time I've been a little extra hungry...you know, really hungry?

"For the first time in my adult life, I am really looking forward to spring."

Does this mean I've never looked forward to spring before (since becoming an adult) or does it mean that this year I'm looking forward to spring with special anticipation?

Now, I don't know what Mrs. Obama really meant, but (1) apart from the obvious possibility of hyperbole (What? Hyperbole in a political campaign? Never!), there are at least two other alternatives -- (2) this is the first time in her adult life that she's ever been proud of her country or (3) this is the first time in her adult life that she's been really proud of her country.

With all the important issues to consider and discuss, it's really nice that this is what serves as red meat at Redstate. Who says the MSM has cornered the market on silliness?

Full disclosure: for some reason I find Mrs. Obama a little creepy. She doesn't appeal to me at all personally, but then I'm not interested in her, because she isn't running for president, and I've never voted for a candidate (or not voted for a candidate) based on the candidate's spouse. Cindy McCain doesn't do much for me either, but my feelings about her aren't going to stop me from voting for her husband. And then, as in most things, there is the exception. Bill Clinton might really be enough for me to not vote for HRC completely independent of her own qualifications.

PS I missed the part of the video where Mrs. Obama says she "thinks [I'm, we're, you're] worthless and stupid, thinks voting for her husband will be the only worthwhile thing [I, we, you] ever do. Please provide the link to that part of her speech, I'm really interested in hearing her say that.

PPS Is using the words of another person without attribution better or worse than attributing words to another person that were never uttered? Enquiring [sic] minds want to know.

Even the wicked witch is punching air on this one.
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Here's the video that shows how she changed from "I'm proud" in the 1st speech to "I'm really proud" in the second pitch.

McCain all the way!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGjR81pFJI4

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I don't consider candidates or vote for them (or not vote for them) based on what their spouses say, do, or look like.

I realize that in your world everything has to be spun to fit your cramped idea of reality. It was irrelevant to me that Nancy Reagan consulted astrology to make decisions. She wasn't the president. If I found out that a politician made decisions based on astrology I would never again support him or her, but the politicians' spouses can do whatever they want to do. It's up to Barack to deal with Michelle, Ronald to deal with Nancy, Franklin to deal with Eleanor, George HW to deal with Barbara, and vice versa. The only time I would make an exception to that is if I believe the spouse has actual control (or undue influence) of the decision-making.

My other main point, which you apparently missed (no surprise there) is that I think what Mrs. Obama was really engaging in was hyperbole (something you should be very familiar with). However, unlike people who relate to opponents routinely as traitors, enemies, cowards, etc. I think it's a waste of time to search every speech (especially those of a spouse) for any word that can be spun into something to offer even the slightest political advantage. That's your job.

So, I repeat. I don't care what Michelle Obama said about being proud of this country. If Obama and his advisers think she is adversely affecting his campaign they have to decide what to do about it. I don't care. The same goes for Cindy McCain and Bill Clinton.

Maybe in Stepford you have complete control over your wives, but everywhere else that doesn't seem to be the case.

So, Neil, I don't care if Michelle is proud, really proud, ashamed, or a paranoid schizophrenic -- she's not a candidate for office. And sorry, but I don't consider "First Lady" to a position vital to the future of the country.

Who would honestly say that? It just makes her look totally false. But if she wants to keep on chugging with those quotes... by all means, go for it.
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