Moderates. What are they good for?

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In my view, which I’ve articulated often on this list, there are two great myths in American politics. The first is that candidates have to run to their base to get elected and back to the center to win. I’ve been voting since Ford-Carter and I’m hard pressed to find an example in my adult life of that actually working. The second is that you have to win moderates to win. Well, yes, in the sense that you have to win goatherds and longshoremen. But in the sense that moderates control the election, no. Moderates have to vote for who the political base, left and right, has nominated or they have to stay home and it is much more important to get your base out in droves on election day than to woo moderates and alienate your base.

Now comes the Cooperative Congressional Election Study which seems to add empirical weight to my subjective view. An op-ed in today’s Washington Post breaks it down.

Read on.

The story of 2006 was that regular Americans were sick of partisan divisions in Washington. The vast and consensus-hungry middle asserted itself in November, the narrative went, finally ordering the parties and their childish politicians to stop fighting and to work together.

After the vote, bipartisanship was all the buzz, and moderation the wave of the future. But something happened on the way to the evening campfire and s'mores. House Republicans started complaining about Democrats riding roughshod into the majority, refusing to consider their amendments to legislation. President Bush announced that he wasn't going to let the opposition of congressional Democrats stop him from sending 21,500 more U.S. troops to Iraq. Meanwhile, Democratic leaders trashed most of Bush's domestic policy proposals as soon as they were announced in his State of the Union address.

One explanation for all this is that politicians are acting against the will of their compromise-loving constituents. Another is that Republicans and Democrats are simply being good representatives. We think the evidence supports the second interpretation.

Instead of relying on self-identification of conservative, liberal, or moderate the researchers compared voter attitudes on 14 national issues:

the war in Iraq (the invasion and the troops), abortion (and partial birth abortion), stem cell research, global warming, health insurance, immigration, the minimum wage, liberalism and conservatism, same-sex marriage, privatizing Social Security, affirmative action, and capital gains taxes.

And crosstabbed these attitudes with how the person voted.

What did they find?

When we combined voters' answers to the 14 issue questions to form a liberal-conservative scale (answers were divided into five equivalent categories based on overall liberalism vs. conservatism), 86 percent of Democratic voters were on the liberal side of the scale while 80 percent of Republican voters were on the conservative side. Only 10 percent of all voters were in the center. The visual representation of the nation's voters isn't a nicely shaped bell, with most voters in the moderate middle. It's a sharp V.

Ten percent. While admittedly ten percent can cost an election one has to consider how much effort one needs to spend sucking up to the squishy center and what the cost will be on turnout to the 45% who agree with you on most issues regardless of how they self-identify.

I submit the “moderate” electorate is a toothless political tiger. And for once I have company:

The evidence from this survey isn't surprising; nor are the findings new. For the past three decades, the major parties and the electorate have grown more divided -- in what they think, where they live and how they vote. It may be comforting to believe our problems could be solved if only those vile politicians in Washington would learn to get along. The source of the country's division, however, is nestled much closer to home.

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That's what they're good for. And why they have influence far beyond their numbers.

they have about 10% of the vote.

Just saying.

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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?

They have influence because some politicians buy into the "moderate" scam.

The fact is that they have a choice of voting for a candidate selected by the party bases or of staying home. Any ground the candidate gives to attract moderates is going to be offset by people in the base who are going to feel betrayed.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

you only win 5% of the electorate. If you lose 13% of base in order to win 50% of the moderate vote, you just lost the election, which I believe is what happened in 2006.

vis a vie McCain and Guiliani. I said it before and I'll probably be saying it again and again until at least 2008: Republicans lost in 2006 because they didn't run as conservatives. They lost their base, and they lost the election.

Lieberman d. Lamont
Casey d. Santorum
Webb d. Allen
Perry d. Bell (TX Gov)

All moderates... and during a mid-term nonetheless. Maybe not in national elections, but in statewide ones you definately need moderates. But my point is, moderates beat fringe candidates all day long outside of Presidential contests(due to gerrymandering - the House doesn't apply here), and I think we are going to see that change soon. I, myself, will support the following candidates in this order:

1 - Guiliani
2 - Obama
3 - Huckabee
4 - Richardson
5 - Edwards

You can't talk about how moderate the dems that displaced the GOP are and 3 months later say the moderates don't mean anything.

I could be biased, though, since I am a moderate and like to think my vote counts for something.

but you need to read the article before beclowning yourself.

By the study criteria none of the people you call moderates are moderates.

And who did this:

You can't talk about how moderate the dems that displaced the GOP are and 3 months later say the moderates don't mean anything.

I certainly didn't.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

that you personally said that. But you know as well as I do that it has been a popular position to take as for the GOP losses (as well as loosing the base). I just disagree with how you view moderates. As for my list of candidates, I know that Guliani is relatively moderate, no matter how he's presenting himself now. The rest are not, but at least Obama isn't running on the fear tactic which I'd imagine a lot of voters are getting tierd of.

I just think it's all about message, not being a fringe 20 percenter. If you want to be personal and say I'm beclowning myself, then fine - I'm sorry I don't subscribe to every single idea on here, but between here and the left wing blogs - there isn't much middle ground. I can complain about unions, support nuclear power and fight for lower taxes here and I can go elsewhere and support liberal causes.

I just don't anybody should be alienated from the political process, and it appeared to be the approach you took.

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"I just don't anybody should be alienated from the political process, and it appeared to be the approach you took."

Strict adherence to conservative principles by a candidate or political activist does not "alienate" anyone from the political process. You are free to participate in that "process" in any capacity you choose.

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