MoveOn.org: Thrown Under The Bus

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This is quite interesting:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday, in a major speech on patriotism, criticized MoveOn.org for referring to Gen. David Petraeus as General Betray Us last year.

The Illinois senator said politics too often seems "trapped in old, threadbare arguments" that he called "caricatures of left and right."

This, Obama added, was "most evident during our recent debates about the war in Iraq, when those who opposed administration policy were tagged by some as unpatriotic, and a general providing his best counsel on how to move forward in Iraq was accused of betrayal."

Of course, as the story mentions, Obama did not vote on a Senate resolution condemning MoveOn.org for its attacks on Petraeus. But I am curious to see whether this attack, the distancing away from Clark and Obama's decision to surrender on FISA reform rather than to cater to the wishes of the base and the netroots will cause the emergence of a lack of enthusiasm amongst the Democratic faithful. The partisans can't be pleased with any of this, after all.


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Jeez for a guy moving to the center he is morphing into Ward Cleaver.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Only 9 months late, eh Obama?

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... is watching his "supporters" rational their own trashing. Theit guru speaks and reality changes to suit the words. I can hardly wait to see how MoveOn "moves on" from this.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course.

I must admit it is a novel tactic. Completely destroy your own credibility and run as standing for nothing.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

About 9 months old and a dollar short

Obama is more fake by the day

how cruel...they worked so hard for the change agent....they gave him all their money and he was going to get the mean evil telephone companies and he was one of them man....and now....they are just the dirt under his shoe....this is the best general election evahhh.

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

Poetic Justice: Obama must choose - Sacrifice his nutroots, or alienate the middle? Campaign cash, or voters?

"Looks like you missed a spot on that right-front tire."

Either way, somebody gets thrown under the bus.

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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

*Aka the new soylent blue**
** Yeah I know I know


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

a driver). Obamabus drives itself now, sort of like Christine.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Yes. Yes, it is.

Surrounded by security.

It's cargo is obviously intended to aid in the production of Obama Seals.™

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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

before summer is over. Nothing he says has meaning, it is all just spin. A ignorant simple-minded fool, he is a self-beclowning machine.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

. . . before he voted for it.

Barack becomes more and more like Gumby every day. He was once a little green slab of clay, oh but see what position he can change today.

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"We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged." - Colonel Henry Knox

With all due respect to the commenters above: he's saying the Betray Us ad was stupid, and he's right. It was stupid because it did nothing to advance the debate on Iraq at a pivotal moment. If memory serves, we spent time castigating newspapers for printing or failing to print various incendiary advertisements. That was our Surge debate.

The larger point is that political discourse in this country, despite the gravity of the issues we collectively face, seems to amount to little more than gossip and/or name calling.

You in turn respond by calling the guy "Gumby" and chortle that we're having "the best general election evahhh", thereby embodying the very threadbare discourse he's siting.

I know the comments sections are a chance to have some fun, and I certainly respect that in the context of a vintage Chuck Heston reference (I would have gone with Omega Man), but I wanted to take a moment to voice a frustration of my own.

No disrespect to CSUFBomb or Jaded intended...

The larger point being missed is where Obama's indignation was when the attack ad actually came out? ...

Hence, Gumby. Sometimes, you don't need a treatise to see what's going on. Other times, you do. This particular time, I think the threadbare-ness of the discussion matches the shallowness of Obama's indignation.

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Small is beautiful.

...if Obama had spoken out against Moveon at the time - you know, when there was actual political risk involved.

Obama's inability to take any principled stands that risk political capital is what *actually* cheapens political discourse, not calling him out on his own hypocrisy.

I stand by Gumby and his pony pal Wesley, too.

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"We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged." - Colonel Henry Knox

You'd be mocking him for tying himself ever tighter to the left flank of the Democratic Party. You're mocking him for doing the opposite. Enjoy it, of course.

The point is to make it harder to caricature him with the middle. Frankly, tossing MoveOn under the bus costs him nearly nothing and does give him credibility with those who opposed the war but can't stand MoveOn.

Schadenfreude's great and all, but I would caution against overdoing it. Nobody's going to vote against Obama because they think he was unfair to MoveOn. Just about nobody outside of the organization can stand them. John Stewart put it best:

"MoveOn.org. Ten years of making even the people who agree with you cringe."

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

It isn't that he recalibrates his position continuously. It is his willingness to dump on everyone who has helped him.

The man who led him to god: Not the man I knew
The man who bought him his house
The man who crafted his trade position
The people that funded him
The people that got his opponents struck from the ballot
Now His greatest supporters


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

But Obamaphiles don't have that capacity. Lacking character and principle themselves, they see everything Obama does through a purely utilitarian lens of getting elected. And they're perfectly willing to be tossed under a bus, again and again, as long as it gets Obama in office.

At this point, nothing else matters to them.

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Small is beautiful.

...with pride.

Obama's voting record earned him his position as the most partisan, liberal member of the Senate. Now he and his surrogates say they want to move beyond liberalism and conservatism. In the process, he has taken simultaneous liberal and conservative positions on a list of issues that grows exponentially every day - and he continually denies that he's doing so.

As with virtually every aspect of his storied life, Obama didn't act when there was political risk involved. He had an opportunity to chastise Moveon when it mattered . . . and he failed. Instead, he waited until it wouldn't cost him any votes to take a politically calculated moderate stand.

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"We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged." - Colonel Henry Knox

Interesting. Very interesting. I wouldn't cancel my satellite subscription right now for anything.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

At least he's starting to claim that he represents something...

Check out this interview clip of a Dem Senator, Obama Supporter with Chris Matthews. The guy can't name one Obama senatorial accomplishment, although he can name what obama claims to represent- change and unity.
http://www.greenfaucet.com/hanlons-pub/obama-a-lightweight-nahhh

 
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