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Watching Fox News right now. They're interview the 18-24 demographic on Obama.
"Dude, he's like so honest. Politics is so negative, man. And he's like a nice guy. He's so honest."
You naive fools. Let me quote a man of the left.
Following Obama's win in Iowa, MyDD's Armstrong voiced further skepticism."Obama doesn't want partisan Democrats like the netroots on his side, so we'll see if, when we start having Democratic primaries, he can win on his own terms or not," he told the Trail. "I was rooting that it would come down to Edwards and Clinton -- that to me represents a battle of Democratic values and ideas. Obama's candidacy is really just personality-driven, wrapped with quasi-religious overtures of 'believe' and 'hope' and 'unity' and 'trust'. He's the first mega-church candidate."
There is a reason you have to be at least 25 to be in the House, 30 for the Senate, and 35 for the Presidency -- the 25 and under crowd is easily swayed by empty platitudes because they have yet to lead a substantive life.
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Texas Proud and Texas Loud
Its really based on how gullible someone is. I'm 22 and can see Obama for the one sided dult he is. So many were swayed by his performances, picking charisma over actual ideas and substance. Having passed by a rally he did for local NJ criminal Robert Menendez in Hoboken I didn't see the hype, yeah he talked well, but he was trying to toss around facts about a guy he knew all of 2 years at most, unlike the Bobby we know from his "business deals" here in NJ.
The demographic Frank Luntz interviews isn't really too wide of a group, 1 polling were 95% Obama fans, another 95% Mitt, and both ended up losing.
Once the kids interviewed get jobs, and notice there tax payments, and then see the prosperity of those living off welfare, they'll change their minds.
Greg Gutfeld put it best the other day, Obama is a stripper, and Hillary and the established candidates are your wife, he says nice things to you, makes you feel good about yourself, but once you leave your wife for him you see whats real.
I often pray for those in my age group that we see the truth, change with substance could be a great thing, Obama has yet to define what his change is, which should make you wonder what he's trying to hide.
Just a bit older (24), but still agree completely with the sentiment. One of my favorite sayings amongst my peer cohort is "help... I'm surrounded... by idiots", and that's even in amongst other honors students in Economics at the university I attend. Not a good sign, but I think it is a case largely of a group of people still star-struck by idealism, and are willing to cling to anything that supports that world view, regardless of the details behind it. In fact, they tend to avoid the details, lest it disillusion them...
Your comment about Obama reminds me of a song called "Lapdance" by N.E.R.D. (the rock band formed by hip-hop producers The Neptunes), where the lines before the chorus go "and politicians, they're sounding like strippers to me / they keep saying what I wanna hear."
"No matter how much lipstick you put on the taxation pig, it's still a pig... and it's currently snout-down in your wallet." - Michael Fisk
Grow up, get a job, pay taxes, have children. They'll grow up and smell the coffee soon enough. I've seen it in my kids.
Just turned 23 in November, and being in MA you should see the moonbats that are flying high on this guy, including my mother and stepfather. The young people have no insight on researching any candidate to see what their really about. Their attraction is based on MSM covering more of whichever candidate.
Before you get to heaven, you must go through hell, which in my case is the People's Republic of Massachusetts.
"Dude, he's like so honest. Politics is so negative, man. And he's like a nice guy. He's so honest."
As the snooty restaraunt guy said in Ferris Buehler, "I weep for the future".
What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi
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“You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say. ” - Martin Luther
Perhaps Obama supporters should make this and a copy of our Constitution required reading?
There were some who thought Stalin was a nice guy.
"Nec Aspera Terrent"
bene ambula et redambula
Contributor to The Minority Report
The details in that article - and no doubt, many other details, in a few other articles - should start getting a wider circulation now. There's a rhythm to this sort of thing, you see. :)
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
"Nec Aspera Terrent"
bene ambula et redambula
Contributor to The Minority Report
True...reading for comprehension is a lost art.
Unless it's written "Like IDK, ur gonna vote 4 Barack cause hes bout change" they simply don't get it.
If Entertainment Weekly is advanced reading, we're doomed.
I know several people who are sort of politically indifferent, some have even voted for Republicans in the past, who are totally enamored with Obama. Yet, they can't say a single thing substantive about the guy. It's all, "he's so great, and such a great speaker, he's not partisan".
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I've encountered this too. I agree Obama is different, and I agree that we need change. But different does not always mean good, and if Obama is different as Carter was different, then please, I'll take more of the same.
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And statesmen at her council met
Who knew the seasons when to take
Occasion by the hand, and make
The bounds of freedom wider yet
- Tennyson, _To the Queen_
Do they ask these "young people" Obama's position on Social Security (which is, do nothing) ? Didn't Bush try to save SS in '05? Did Obama help him?
Will SS be there for these "young people" who find him like, so cool?
Was Obama one of the Senators standing and cheering when President Bush was lamenting the defeat of his social security proposal at the State of the Union? I remember Hillary cheering front and center. What's their plan?
What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi
Just because you can come across a fool at some specific age doesn't mean you should bash an entire generation. Anecdotes aren't data.
If I find a fool over 65 as an equal bufoon, will you accept barring them from office since "life's passed them by and they no longer have relevance?"
PS... I'm not young, but I don't like the infantileization of the young adults. When you're old enough to die for your country, you're an adult.
who ARE willing to serve their Country. Most, in fact, think just as Kerry said, if you're serving your Country, it's because you're too stupid to "get good grades and stay in school." To the extent that the twenty-somethings wearing their Country's uniform think about politics, you certainly won't find many of them spouting mindless platitudes and supporting Obama - or any other Democrat.
While I generally agree about "generation bashing," certainly not all, or even many, of my Boomer peers are characters out of Doonesbury, it cannot be denied that a failed education system and decadent popular culture are producing successively more infantile "adults." If you don't believe that, start a conversation with a group of parents of "twenty-somethings" and find out how hard it is to get these kids out of the house and on their own. The vast majority of them seem to have "Failure to Launch" down! All the self-esteem crap from the illiteracy factories has given them lots and lots of self-esteem and very, very little reason to have it.
In Vino Veritas
"If you don't believe that, start a conversation with a group of parents of "twenty-somethings" and find out how hard it is to get these kids out of the house and on their own. The vast majority of them seem to have "Failure to Launch" down!"
That's a failure of parenting.
Kick their loser butts out! Ask them what their parents would have done had they tried the same bs their kids are trying (and succeeding at) now. I would be willing to bet that every single one would respond, "Dad wouldd've thrown me out."
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
Just give them "house rules" and make them pay appropriate rent. They'll leave.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
25 yr. old college grad out of the house. We were willing to let him camp for a little while after he graduated. He had a decent job, but JNU is an expensive place and he had lots of debt, mostly self-inflicted. He got REAL comfortable. I wanted him out ages ago, but mommies will be mommies these days and I'm the evil stepdad. It took a year and a half for her to finally get tired of having a cancer in the house, so we're finally a kid-free zone!
In Vino Veritas
the 30 and under generation is our most educated in history...by any measure. the amount of information available to the average voter has never been greater. thee will always be uninformed voters swayed by the superfluous...but there's no doubt this number is increasingly smaller across all generations, but especially among young voters.
One comes from education, one comes from experience. The "30 and under generation" may be flush with knowledge, but a large swath of them are woefully un-armed when it comes to wisdom.
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Yes, on average they've completed more years in formal education than their predecessors - for what that's worth. Yes, they have more access to information in the form of random data - for what that's worth. That education has given most of them ZERO ability to organize that data in time and space or to analyze it with any semblance of logic. In fact, most would not recognize logic, having been taught that the only thing that matters is how they feel about something. To most of them, "I feel strongly" is a compelling logical argument.
In Vino Veritas
Heh. Most educated. Least knowledgable. Generally hindered at rational thought process. Utterly selfish (blame my generation for that). Everything Achance said.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
(ASVAB=Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery)
the national average level of education was 6th grade and the test was designed for an average person to be able to pull a 50.
The test has not changed and yet the average High School Graduate scores under 40 and the average College Grad (bachelor's degree) scores under 50. (numbers are internal Army Recruiting research)
Now explain to me how the current generation is the best educated?
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
made to college entrance exams to dumb them down. Or the fact that the reason employers look for MBAs is because a BA is the current equivalent of a HS diploma 40 years ago.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
imagine what a different country we'd live in without idealism.
If you're unde 20 and not a liberal, you have no soul. If you're over 30 and still a liberal, you have no brain.
Communism, Socialism, Pacifism, Jihadism, Anarchism...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
the more information and education...the less analytical skills we possess? guess we went to different schools.
What do the two have to do with each other? Knowledge in the form of random data is meaningless without the ability to organize and analyze it. The purpose of "education" is to both impart data and teach one to organize it and analyze it. It does not follow that the mere possess of data gives one the ability to either organize or analyze it. And, yes, we obviously went to different "schools," and I am very glad for that fact.
In Vino Veritas
intelligence. Just look at the number of over-educated university professors who demonstrate regularly that they have oatmeal for brains and noodles for spines.
Give me someone who has no university education but years of living-experience with demonstrable success anyday. Finding someone with BOTH is absolutely lovely!
and not to threadjack, but I sent your blog on shingles to a friend of mine who was afraid that she had that, too. Thanks for posting it and I will be sending up prayers for your recovery and for a huge reduction in your pain. I mean really, if this renders you unable to even read at RedState, IT MUST BE STOPPED! :-)
As a hiring manager and business owner, for jobs that don't require specific technical education (engineering, CPA, JD, etc) I will hire a Marine or Army infantry vet - especially with combat experience - over a magna ivy league grad any and every day.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Drop me a line, sometime. The tour's up...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
Any chance you might have a list of "accomplishments" you'd like to post?
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
If you didn't even notice that link, then you demonstrate Achance's point yet again.
If you chose to ignore it, you demonstrate other issues I have with my own generation...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
I don't think it's fair to say that everyone young is unifomred and swayed by whatever we are told to. I went to one of the most liberal University colleges in the country, but at my senior year I was cofounding a dead chapter of the College Republicans that now boasts over 75 members. Before doing that I was hosting a Rush style talk radio show and running a political magazine. I've been researching politics and candidates and voted in every election since I tured 18, which admittedly, has only been 2 elections. I'm also in the process of running my own business and raising a 2 year old son, and I'm only 23. So our generation isn't all unmotivated losers just like you guys aren't all exhippe free love radicals who care more about collecting your social security check than your kids who are paying for it.
If you ever find that you only have an hour to live,spend it with a liberal and it will seem like a year."-Rush Limbaugh
1. Nobody is implying that all of the people in your age group are idiots.
2. You obviously are significantly brighter and more capable of rational thought than most of your age group.
3. This happens to every generation at your age. Heck, I hung out with the SDS and voted for George McGovern.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
If you ever find that you only have an hour to live,spend it with a liberal and it will seem like a year."-Rush Limbaugh
Funny, but I'd rather spend that last hour of my life with a hooker...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
even if she ever did choose to confront me about that post. It's even honest, too.
I only said I'd rather spend that hour with a hooker as compared to a Lib. Never mentioned her in that entire "Hooker>Lib" equation...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
but after a total of 35 years of marriage to two women (28 and holding, currently), that line will get you on a CIA plane to nowhere. You'll wish you were at SERE.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Where I got mine? I assure you, they're a lot more manageable from that source...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
I interview many young people for jobs in the fast-food industry, and I find that most are not equipped for success in the real world. They are not learning basic skills ... especially basic language and social skills ... and as a result, we are able to hire only one in 20 applicants. The 19 are not qualified for employment in our industry or, I suspect, any industry.
The problem reflects what is happening to our cultue as the makeup of our population changes. To state it simply, our values are changing, and not for the better, in my humble opinion.
The lack of basic skills has serious ramifications for the future of the country, because our political process is based upon the premise that the electorate will be informed and able to make wise choices.
Obama is tapping into a strain of the electorate that responds to emotion, and it is no wonder that our society's feel-good icon, Oprah, has endorsed and worked for him. Obama and Oprah are a perfect match.
We are in serious trouble, and our best hope is that such people will not vote.
a large number of the population will always vote based on emotion just an many of us vote on meticulous analysis. may i suggest that each person's approach has a lot more to do with the kind of people we are as opposed to what out political views are. reagan appealed to our emotions as much as huckabee or obama, etc. some ppl vote on character, some on issues. some people play poker based on people skills, some play on game theory and math. i find you need both to be a complete player. your points are valid in that certain types of education today value the former more than the latter. maybe that's why out engineering jobs are going overseas at an alarming rate...not enough analytical skill are being taught.
That, however, does not make your silly suggestions right, reasonable or rational.
From this point forward, you can drop all references to Reagan. You obviously weren't around in 1980 & 1984 and you haven't learned anything about the time that could be construed as even close to accurate.
Reagan didn't get votes because he appealed to emotions. While he occasionally used emotional appeals, the appeals were based on issues and facts. For instance, his "Mr. G, take down this wall..." had an emotional appeal to it but it was based on the issue of freedom for captive people and an end to the Cold War that we won. Same for his "Evil Empire" comments.
Bottom line, in 1980 Reagan trashed Carter because the cost of a mortgage was pushing 16%, the economy was flat, nobody even pretended they had any ideas that would turn things around, and along came Reagan. He combined his emotional appeals "City on a Hill..." with real programs that would turn the country around.
You are busy posting here, proving the lie that yours is the "most educated" generation. You don't even understand recent history. You don't know how to use the "Enter" key or the "Shift" key on your keyboard either. Learn how.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
But what you said in this post pretty much supports what the kid said.
You need to appeal to both logic/policy and emotion to be a complete politician. Something I think we can all agree Reagan did and was...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" - Hesiod ~700 BCE
"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress." - prob Peter the Hermit 1274
These complaints are made by every generation about every successive generation. Education is alway getting worse and children are always more disrespectful than we were at their age. It's a wonder we are able to complete sentences.
Regarding the being easily swayed by platitudes that is common to all ages and political persuasions. Remember, it's morning in America.
If you knew any history, and if you're under about 50 you don't unless you specifically took it upon yourself to learn some, you'd understand why those quotes are meaningless in this society. Those, and many other, commentators were lamenting the degeneracy of the pampered children of a pampered ruling class, a phenonmen still very much with us; Paris Hilton ring a bell.
Our affluent, pampered society has given practically the entire society the opportunity to become degenerates.
In Vino Veritas
Or a little earlier. Depends on what you think signalled the downturn of their civilization...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
no need to antagonize guys....just exchanging ideas, that's all.
antagonism. Keep pushing drivel with no caps and no paragraphs and you'll probably get some exposure to same, however.
And, while we're at it, learn to use "Reply To This". Thanks.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
however, the irony of your responses. you combat my point about education with what?: history lessons and statistics...the very things i argue make us a more informed generation.
of those very things? And find the "Shift" key. And "Reply To This".
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
of the child. You should have gotten the point by now that his superior education and mad thinking skillz put him head and shoulders above us poor misguided mortals who set such store by things like punctuation, shift keys and the demonstrable logic of using the "Reply to This" option. For shame! Now offer the little guy a juice box and help him with his straw, please.
i was unaware of any spelling or grammar restrictions on this site.
it's a question of maturity. By spelling as correctly as possible and using punctuation--not to mention that infamous "Reply to.." button, you demonstrate that you want to make your comments or diary entries as readable as possible to the other members of the community. It's courtesy and common sense--need we say more as to your demonstrated lack of both?
1. There are no spelling or grammar restrictions.
2. At least an attempt at decent spelling and grammar is a matter of courtesy to those with whom you are attempting to communicate. Your style is reminiscent of trying to carry on a conversation with someone who spits when they talk and punches your shoulder when they are making a point.
3. This isn't Facebook, we're adults (for the most part) here. If you want to have your commentary considered seriously, treat your communications seriously. Act like a pinhead, you'll get treated like a pinhead and then ignored when we're tired of you.
4. LEARN HOW TO USE "Reply To This". It's the link in the blue bar at the bottom of the comment you are responding to.
5. I'm now tired of you.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
is right for him. Who are you to say that your way or some other way is the way. Writing that way makes him feel good about himself. Besides, all that grammar and punctuation stuff is just artificially imposed by dead, white, Europeans, many of whom owned slaves and who didn't let wymyn vote.
In Vino Veritas
And you can trust me on this one: Dog doesn't give a rip about how "he" feels. And, FWIW, Dog is significantly smarter than the kid is.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
I can pretty much guarantee a display of DOG's intelligence by teaching him new tricks faster than I can teach kid to sit up and stop drooling...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
It seems to me that Obama is nothing more than a famous actor that the 18-24 crowd WANTS to relate too. What I find strange is that nobody seems to know where he stands on many issues. Bill O'Reilly put it in a way that everyone can understand, Obama is a celebrity first and a politician second. I am a 24 year old male from Indiana. I have no interest in the Democratic candidates and their gospel of "CHANGE." Where have the informed ones gone?
JFV