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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I hope so, but don't won't them to come from Romney.

taking a longer view of the immigration problem.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

I am having trouble with the thought that I may have to support Mitt in the general. I can't vote for a dem....but I have never voted for someone as slimy as him...it is going to be like choking down the broccoli as a 5 year old

If you feel Mitt is slimy, then imagine your on a Nickolodean TV show and they're about to slim you. Or, if you don't like that, you can always imagine you just got slimmed Ghostbusters style, either way, it's all fun :P

Time to load up some more anti-Mitt graphics for the McCain campaign, I guess.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

I'm for McCain, but that was ridicules. I'm glad someone else noticed it, I thought I was seeing things.

Just called my brother-in-law to see if I could get it taped. :(

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

and my kids make it through school can I have a free pass to?

"I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)

Are u really that dumb...or are u just spewing negative posts. I'd go through Huck's plan w/ you BUT well...dont feel like it

Holy cow, what a crap-sandwich of a debate.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

Maybe its my bias but i think Fred will siphon off some of Mitt's votes, as McCain's support in NH seems to be pretty solid/organized

It's your bias. Mitt's the honetown guy. His support is pretty solid and he is well organized. McCain's got more of the Obama type of independent support.

just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding, just kidding...

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I would hold my nose for McCain

I would have to vote stoned drunk for Huckaboob.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

As a Romney supporter, I must say, so far this is the best debate Fred has had, and for the moment he is winning. Huckabee is losing.

Unless there are SC voters watching, it will be for naught.

Huck is getting hammered hard and not taking it as well as Mitt did yesterday.

Fred and Rudy seem to be doing well but at not getting much in edge wise.

McCain is controlling himself better tonight but he hasn't had a home run response yet.

Romney has been doing well, maybe dominating a little too much, but he is in the groove.

Whats up with Cameron Carlson?

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Nothing like free ads for Mitt, love it.

Maybe he got the bonus runs as a bonus for all of the ads he's already bought. :-)

They pulled out the Romney attack Huckabee ad.
Nice bank shot. Slams huck and lets McCain look pleasant and affable.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

AMEN....desparate and dishonest

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Where he showed everyone the ad he wasn't running.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

One never say you were outmanned. Not even Hillary uses it.

Change the tone and tenor ? what is he running for chorus director ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

HAHAH there's that mitt smile again...i'm telling you its going to hurt him

Vertical not horizontal. Blah, blah, blah.

Sick of that vertical line again.

You must be a pathetic excuse to consider it an attack.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Huckaboob = slick, self righteous, smarmy, dumb, and populist.

He is the pro-life version of John Edwards.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Mitt believes Chuck's hype

Before you get to heaven, you must go through hell, which in my case is the People's Republic of Massachusetts.

His attacks are issues. Theirs are personal.

"You make up facts faster than you talk".

What's the issue here? Care to explain?

Mike was simply making up facts as he went along. Mitt called him on it.

Btw, Romney is always making flip-flops as he goes along. The other guys just call him. Fair enough?

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Fred Thompson's John Wayne comment was just awesome.

Fight On!

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Huck said Chuck Norris was standing outside the debate.

Thompson said, "If John Wayne were here, I'd have him [Wayne] beat him up."

Fight On!

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Yes, I'm definitely shouting. YEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Go get 'em!!!!!! You John Wayne Stud!!!!!!

RED STATE ROCKS!!!!!

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

Is this stupid vertical line an allusion to income, class, or what? He sure likes it.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

for this old lady who thinks Wayne would win.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

1) answers follow-up question directly
2) makes compare/contrast distinction
3) points out personal attacks that came back

Solid response.

Huckabee deflects pardons. I pray for a Wayne Dumond follow-up.

First he eliminates death
Now he is creating natural resources

Theres a pattern here.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Of course he doesn't mention that factcheck.org dissected his ad and found it seriously lacking.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

"I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)

To Flip Flop one must return to the originl position. So Mitt is a flipper, but not a flopper.

To Flip Flop one must return to the originl position. So Mitt is a flipper, but not a flopper.

gay rights also, back when he ran for Senate

Before you get to heaven, you must go through hell, which in my case is the People's Republic of Massachusetts.

Your pain is felt. Rise up!

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[It is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be.]

He is still for equal rights for gays. Same-sex marriage doesn't fit that defintion.

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

This seems like the Romney, McCain, Hucabee debate.

Yea by zuiko

I think some candidates are walking all over the time limits. They should really keep track and adjust the questions accordingly... so if a candidate is too long winded he gets fewer questions.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Does not belong in a debate. We don't care!

Back to the Huck/Mitt show on Fox...


-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --

...and has basically been MIA for the past month and a half in general.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

Rudy scores on dealing with it.
Points out crime fighting
Stumbles stumbles and falling back to his fall back positions.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Rudy talking about crime. No. Because we all know how much of a role the President has fighting crime/Joke

That even got my wife's attention.

What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi

Interesting that it was actually mentioned, true or not.

Fox campaigning against Rudy? Don't tell Hannity and Luntz.

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Were Health benefits and visitation rights, not marriage.

Romney 08

and since he has done it McCain must be asked about the S&L's.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Kerik was within the past several years, during the tenure of experience on the basis of which he is running. S&L was 25 years ago. Big difference.

There is no President but Lincoln, and Reagan is his prophet


-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Not a plus but at least he didn't weasel in the end.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Mitt was for non-discrimination not pro gay rights. ie.. they should'nt get married, but they should'nt get beat up either.

"You're quacking on election day."

Great line, Senator McCain.

Fight On!

Did I miss the study on pokadot ties??? I've seen more the last two night than i have in 20 years

And McCain needs to quit winking....my friend.

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“Anyone that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.” – David Broder

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

And nice of Huckabee to help out. Let the voters decide on that one.

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The only thing Mitt's energizing is SuperCuts clientele

no sign of Fred. Must be no controversy in his campaign or career.

-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --

Because its very astute.

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"If I had the money Mitt does, maybe I'd have some ads you could show on here."

-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --

I love how being successful is somehow bad. Fred is above class envy tactics.

by the way your quote at the bottom is funny :)
“It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.”"-Max Planck

HUCKABEE: He (Chuck Norris) is standing right outside.

THOMPSON: If John Wayne were here, he'd beat him up.

Forgive me for the paraphrase.

"You can't raise boys as eagles and expect them to turn out as sparrows."

--Former First Lady Edith Roosevelt reflecting on her son Quentin's heroic valor and tragic death in World War I.

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Molon Labe!

"We all share the same goals: clean air and water...safe transportation systems, to name a few of the good things that can come from regulation. " -Fred D. Thompson

nice.

Mitt and Rudy were the best tonight.

John was pretty good overall, though he had a couple sketchy spots.

Fred and Mike not horrible, but not great performances either.

“Anyone that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.” – David Broder

Huck is going to be way disappointed if McCain wins the nomination and doesn't get the VP slot because Huck doesn't stand a chance. McCain is just letting him believe he has a shot.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

"Told you we wouldn’t get through this without Huck slobbering on McCain.

Bleeeech."

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/06/sunday-night-roundtable-the-fox-new...

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Sorry, that's Huckabee.

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"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

drinking game in the future that should be a 3 drink comment....because we are the common people...because there are so many of us ;-)

Huckabee is no Lincoln but he thinks he is.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

i understand he can't actually say "poor" without a reaction, so maybe he just shouldn't use the line...

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Why shoud you be president?

Mitt: Cause I'm from Massachusetts

"The conqueror is always a lover of peace; he would prefer to take over our country unopposed."
- Karl von Clausewitz

Rudy
I have been tested. I have worked with democrats and independents (Bad resonance with bush)
Tackle big problems, remain on offensive, shouldn't have repeated his initial points

Fred
I have never lost an election ? Come on
Conservative judges solid.
Stands for principles.
Concerned about the future.
Leave the country better than we found it.
The with credibility was pointless.

Huckabee.
Lincoln quote no good.
Brings out his RTL position.
Run a government and practical solutions ? Bad idea the other two executives have more experience at the same.

Romney is on
Because my family said I should (beautiful)
The future
Liberate the American spirit.
Make the future brighter.
Olympics anticlimatic
Change washington giant plus.

Exceptionally eloquent minimal non sequitur

McCain
America's greatest days ahead.
Thank you ?? WTH ???
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the man is deluded.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Thank God Mitt is effectively out of the Race in 2 days!!!!

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

I knew President Lincoln, Mr. Huckabee you're no President Lincoln.

Before you get to heaven, you must go through hell, which in my case is the People's Republic of Massachusetts.

...the Chuck Norris endorsement is cute and kinda funny, but at some point, is it hard to take someone seriously who has Walker Texas Ranger at every campaign stop and in the background at press releases.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

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I think Huckabee plans on having a chair next to his in the oval office for Chuck. Fight your own battles for crying out loud. Or is it because he always has to turn the other cheek? So he keeps norris around to deal with "unpleasentries".

I can't wait under the Huck administration when the next 9/11 hits, we will all turn the other cheek.

Spence? The guy working for the subway?

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All I heard was "You're campaign/commercial says X. Would someone like to respond?"

This whole debate was about how campaigns are run and very little on actual issues. Last night's debate was much better.

Fox must think this is some kind of debate game and not a matter of choosing a president.

Mitt is the winner tonight.

Romney 08

Outside the window of the focus group - pull the shades!

"We all share the same goals: clean air and water...safe transportation systems, to name a few of the good things that can come from regulation. " -Fred D. Thompson

Mitt Wins!!!!!!

Romney was overwhelmingly the favorite of Frank Luntz's poll group.

They're unreasonably harsh on Fred Thompson, though.

about 90% of them thought he was the weakest

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in July...or August..or September...actually, has he gotten in YET?

like Thompson.

"We all share the same goals: clean air and water...safe transportation systems, to name a few of the good things that can come from regulation. " -Fred D. Thompson

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

"I wanted to grab him and shake him" to wake him up.

FredBots...not good.

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I wish John Wayne was here to beat all of them up.

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Molon Labe!

Fred is not trying to win NH
And NH is more liberal than the south

Fred loses

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Fred is the only one communicating real policy ideas.

They are all in there comparing McCain to Romney to Huckabee.

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The see Obama as a rock star and they think we need a Rock star (a la Mitt) to beat him.

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WAS THAT LADY WATCHING THE DEBATE?????? HUCK DIDN'T MENTION RELIGION OR GOD ONCE

And they haven't forgotten last week
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Sounds like the anti-evangelical vote is out tonight in NH

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No more anti-evangelical than Iowans were anti-Morman. New Hampshire has witnessed the freak show that was the Iowa caucus and saw the evangelical litmus test. They dont like it. As a Catholic Yankee. I didnt like it and I thought it made the GOP base look stupid. NH is going to shoot Huck and Fred down in response to Iowa (Fred unfairly, but I rhink it will be a knee-jerk reaction)

to Huckabee...WOW....I am also seeing how Thompson gets the lazy tag and that's sad because they think he is saying all the right things just not in a upbeat in your face way.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

When he got 4 whole minutes in the whole stinking debate?

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

I thought Fred did well, but John McCain won by not losing.

I thought Rudy needed to have a strong performance, gave an ok performance and therefore lost.

Romney needed to shut down McCain, didn't and therefore lost.

The Huckster was so far off his game as to seriously damage his future post NH

Why the heck did they even invite Fred and Rudy? So they could get a front row seat at the debate, apparently.

I KNEW Fox had some issue with Fred, but HOLY COW. That is an insult and a slap. No time to speak, the couple of times he did get time involved stupid questions.

FNC, you suck.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

He wasn't asked anything about healthcare was he?

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Where do they get these people. How did Romney win?
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

80 max IQ required....

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

that they were going to vote for Edwards!

"We all share the same goals: clean air and water...safe transportation systems, to name a few of the good things that can come from regulation. " -Fred D. Thompson

"How many think Ron Paul won" and watch how many hands go up.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

Is an accurate sampling of NH voters, then he wins because he got alot of uncommitted voters. The debates are about getting votes and it looked like he did that. In terms of substance It think Fred won though IMHO.

Romney 08

may have tipped the scale in Romney's favor. At least in the minds of some "undecided" New Hampshire voters.

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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

Ding dong the witch is dead
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Everything he says is solid but he looks and sounds like he just doesn't want to be there.

be a fluke on Thompson...on Huckabee the one woman saying she is not electing a preacher but a President does not bode well for him in NH.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

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Maybe if the question made sense someone would have raised their hand...
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Fred seem to do better with fundmental conservative political junkie crowd, but I can see how the passive voter who just happens to turn on the TV and doesnt track blogs all day could find Fred uninspired. He's intelligent and funny, but I dont think he would come across as presidential material.

For not being on screen enough...
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Fred Thompson was not the moderator nor the camera man. If you expect Fred to interrupt, think again. He has respect for the others.


-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --

I am surprised that Romney won, and Fred lost, but I will take it. Also, Huckabee didn't do well. McCains name not mentioned. Interesting.

30x$100 = best $3000 Romney's campaign has spent
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

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Romney is articulate, enough of how he sounds, talk about their principles... Apparently, the people are more attracted to the charismatic speakers, and than their ideals

Before you get to heaven, you must go through hell, which in my case is the People's Republic of Massachusetts.

These people were all talking about how the candidates "sounded?"

We are in trouble as a nation. Bring on the Spears/Lohan tix.

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Before you get to heaven, you must go through hell, which in my case is the People's Republic of Massachusetts.

Pro Mitt, anti Fred...anti Hukabee.. rally. What a joke.

I was just surprised at how they saw Fred...not so much Huck because that's how I saw him.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Fox news is hardly pro-Thompson, and a lot of their viewers are. About Huck, New Hampshire is Anti-Huckabee, not foxnews.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

As an ONLY Fred voter I think this was the nail in the coffin. I'll still vote for Fred ONLY but I think tonight was his last stand. Too bad he can't connect with the base. Enjoy your win Mitt fans but you'll never get my vote. I'll write in Fred or Mickey Mouse before I'd vote for "any of the above." Woe to America...

“Anyone that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.” – David Broder

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Hillary or Obama in charge of the best damn military in the world is suicide for America....I don't care about all their socialist's policies but I do care about what damage they would and have done in the past to our military....Please don't waste your vote.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

What the hell was that you ahole!

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"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
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Smack Barnes around. Bias or not.

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but I feel like more someone talks, less well he does at these things.

Maybe Fred's strategy is to let everyone else self-destruct or get destroyed, then pick up the pieces as the grand unifier?

It's probably just my bias speaking...

-TS

"When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth." - Teddy Roosevelt

Lord! I do hopes so.

Plus his daughter is doing the right thing working for fred

Plus his daughter is doing the right thing working for fred

Romney is on his game, like him or not. Don't know if it'll be enough. If he pulls out a win Tuesday, it'll be because of Romney being good tonight and McCain being nasty last night. Of course, everybody tends to think their candidate wins every debate, but even being as objective as possible, I think he had the night he was looking for. Focus group seems to agree.

McCain is a little more subdued, but I don't think it'll help. A little too friendly to Huck, and we all know by now he doesn't like Mitt. Still doesn't look comfortable dealing with immigration and sounds worse...

Huckabee didn't hold up that well. Like last night, he's coming across like he isn't sure how to proceed after winning Iowa. He's more suited for playing the quiet dark horse, rather than the scrutinized front-runner.

Giuliani wasn't bad but a little too anxious to stuff all of his usual talking points, even if they were an awkward fit to the situation. We all know he's just doing this to keep up appearances until Florida.

Fred didn't have too much going on. Not in a bad way either. Stole Huck's Chuck Norris moment from him.

In short. Good for Mitt, rough night for Huckabee. Neutral for Fred and Rudy. Neutral for McCain too, except he may have lost ground to Mitt.

and I will not compromise my principles and vote for him. Not today, tomorrow, NEVER! Fred was our last hope and the electorate can't see this. The vast majority of the informed know that Fred is the best we have to offer. Too bad the sheep are so blind. Maybe it will take 4 years of Clinton or Osama to wake the sheep up. I pray for our country but sorry Mitt fans, he’ll never win in November. The dims will shred him like a block of cheese.

“There are times in politics when you must be on the right side and lose.” – John Kenneth Galbraith

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so of course this little group will not be for Fred. Mitt has spent millions there so they know the guy.

"I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)

Huck stole Fred's base, but tonight I realize tonight that Fred will also pay for the anti-Morman and evangelical zeal of Iowa and Huck. I know it wasn't him, but I think Iowa ignited a little regional war. I think the NH, MI, non-southern SoCon may unfairly lump Fred in with the Huckster.

Live to fight another day. Fred told FNC this morning that YES he has "given" up on NH. The big picture has not played out...not yet.

Turtle and the Hare fable..remember it?

So will Fred drop out if he looses in SC? I think he's walking dead now, just a matter of time.

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He's not really playing to win in New Hampshire. He needs to make a respectable showing then it's on to South Carolina, where he definitely needs a win.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

Sorry, that's not going to be respectable. I just don't think Fred is going to make it even if he's the most Conservative candidate.

...it's not going to be bad, IMO. If the victories are scattered about amongst the 5 candidates, the party will not coalesce around one guy until Feb 5. Fred will definitely need a win at some point though. If he doesn't win in South Carolina, he's done.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

in THIS debate to strut his stuff. I now hate FNC. Hate 'em.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

Check it out.

Romney and Huck bottom two.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

Way to go Fred.

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I did not read far enough.

Fred, Rudy, McCain, Huck with Mitt as most improved. Sorry.

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his plan. He drops Iowa, Montana (what?), New Hampshire, and Michigan, and all of a sudden he wins South Carolina? I want to know his plan to pull this off. Mormons aside, how can Fred lose Montana? IF there ever was a libertarian-conservative state, I don't know what one is, other than Nevada.

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Molon Labe!

"Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now". -White Goodman

* PRIESTCRAFT is thus defined: “The stratagem and frauds of priests; fraud or imposition in religious concerns. Management of selfish and ambitious priests to gain wealth and power, or to impose upon the credulity of others.”

Enjoy your time as the Fox News golden boy Mitt Fans. But remember what happened to the Fox News backed Rudy and then Fred. Fox News support... the kiss of death.

Despite having what I actually think is probably the best grasp and positions on issues, Fred has not been able to connect to voters or sell his campaign. FredBots seem to want to blame everyone, including Fox, the MSM and anyone else for this failure, but they need to look a whole lot closer to home.

Fred failed you, nobody else and it's a darn shame because he would make a good President, he's just not going to catch on.

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and I say that as a Fred supporter.

He looked terrible.

My wife was watching for the first time, not knowing anything about the candidates and had the following comments:

Fred -- He doesn't look like he wants to be there.

Mitt -- It looks a little too slick

McCain -- He looks to anxious to be president

I don't know if I agreed that Mitt was fabulous, but he certainly nailed Huckabee to the ground with the "Look my commercials are only 30 seconds long. I don't have time to talk that much about you." And his comments about the facts being that Huckabee pardoned 1000 people including 12 murderers.

That's just devasting for Huckabee.

...They didn't even give Fred much of any time. Pure garbage and yet another Fox News debate flop. A joke.

Except for the Focus Group (Which they couldnt control) All I've heard since Iowais Mccain, McCain, McCain I'm so sick o Camron Carlson. Cmon guys just report it don't try to spin it. You've looked like CNN for a week.

Was focused on NH top 3.

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This was definitely Fred's best night.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm to the point that I don't care which of these guys gets the nomination anymore. I'll go to the poll unenthused and disappointed either way.

Our chances in 08 don't look good.

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blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah blah blah blah Fred sucks blah blah

zooooooooooooooooot

CRACK! (the sound of tossing the SteveLA broken record onto the floor)


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About the only good thing that I can think of right off hand about Fred actually getting out of the race will be idiots like you shutting the heck up and actually contributing something to the dialog on RS other than mindless pap about how great Fred is.

He's a good guy and would make a good President, but he's not selling it. Deal with it fool.

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"he would make a good President" then why does he need to "sell it" to you? You've already got the message. And yet you insist there's something inferior about him, or he's not sufficiently playing the dog and pony show, or SOMETHING is bad about him.

What, exactly?

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

more than say, one posting from me on "how great Fred is". You won't find them. Guaranteed.

What I object to is shallow posters who know how to do nothing but criticize candidates. Your blogs are nothing but criticisms of other candidates (dating back to at least January, 2007). Your comments are nothing but criticisms of other candidates. You are a broken record.

Your response is a little testy. Truth hurts?


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(As a Thompson supporter, I give this one to Romney.)

During tonight's debate (forum) on FoxNews, Sen. McCain gave a litany of reasons why he had the best foreign policy credentials, stressing the "right" choices he has made during his tenure.

It is long forgotten that before 9/11, John McCain was an avid supporter not only of Chechnya, but of the Chechen rebels (Muslim nationalists) who commit untold acts of horror during and since Russia brought an end to the conflict. Following 9/11, these "rebels" looked more and more to the Western world as terrorists.

From http://www.takimag.com/site/article/persecuting_putin/

Sen. John McCain, one of the leading candidates for the Republican nomination in 2008, was already on a tear about Russian depredations in Chechnya in his 2000 campaign and gave indications during the campaign that he considered it an important priority to intervene in Chechnya in some manner to bring an end to the war there. As some will recall, Sen. McCain was at that time the poster boy for aggressive, neoconservative foreign policy activists inside the Republican Party, and his hard line on Chechnya matched the long-running neoconservative interest in encircling, containing and weakening post-Soviet Russia that recurred throughout the ‘90s. Beginning with the infamous 1990 Wolfowitz Memo, which laid out a proposal for massive military buildups and interventions in the non-Russian republics, it continued throughout the decade and included brazen, full-throated neoconservative support for the U.S. and NATO bombings of Yugoslavia in 1995 and 1999 respectively. Praise for the Chechen cause, descriptions of Chechnya’s “president,” Aslan Maskhadov, as a freedom fighter, and apologias for Chechen terrorism.

What kind of "freedom fighters" were these? The same who have done the following:

Behind the Moscow Theater Siege
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,383909,00.html

Terrorists Free 31 Hostages in Russia
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131248,00.html

334 Killed in Beslan School, 186 Children
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

this is identical post #2 (or is it 3) within a few minutes

W.C. Fields for President!
www.shortenurl.com/7cxfm

The more I hear crap like this the more I think Fred supporters are on something besides election season adrenaline. No wonder our movement cannot even recognize we are becoming more and more out of touch with the average voter.

Romney was the clear winner tonight. Huckabee was the clear loser. All the other performances, including Fred's, fell somewhere in the middle and don't advance or detract from that candidates chances.

Kudos to Romney for finally getting it together.

 
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