Not Going Silently Into That Good Night
By Pejman Yousefzadeh Posted in 2008 | Barack Obama | Democratic Presidential Nomination | Hillary Clinton — Comments (30) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
After the debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on Thursday night, it was widely believed that the generally civil tone and the somewhat valedictory comments by Hillary Clinton, stating that she was "honored" to be on the same stage as Barack Obama, meant that Clinton was getting ready to get out of the campaign soon.
Accusing the Obama campaign of using tactics "that are right out of Karl Rove's playbook," Senator Hillary Clinton angrily denounced Senator Barack Obama on Saturday for sending flyers to Ohio voters that she called misleading and false.
"Shame on you, Barack Obama," Mrs. Clinton said at a news conference after a morning rally, holding the flyers and shaking them in the air as she spoke. "It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public. That's what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio. Let's have a debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign."
The flyers were handed to Mrs. Clinton by a woman who attended the rally and then approached her on the rope line after Mrs. Clinton's speech.
It was not the first time the Clinton campaign has seen the flyer, which cites an article from Newsday that says Mrs. Clinton believed Nafta was a "boon" to the economy. Mrs. Clinton said the newspaper has since corrected the article.
It is pretty depressing to see the degree to which the Clinton and Obama factions compete with one another to see who can trash NAFTA the most. But never mind that for now. What is important is that the Democrats' internecine warfare is continuing apace and that there will likely not be a withdrawal from the campaign by the Clinton people unless Ohio and Texas turn out to be disasters for her. And even if they do turn out that way, those who saw a TV clip of Hillary Clinton heatedly denouncing Barack Obama might be forgiven for thinking that she might stay in no matter what to sabotage and undermine a candidate she plainly has contempt for and believes to be beneath her.
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Young conservative said "The Super Delegates will need to have their arms twisted for her to get the nomination and she just said she wouldn't do that."
I can't imagine that the Clinton team isn't intently analyzing their dossiers of each and every one of those 795 super-delegates, looking for that little piece of dirt they'll point out in phone calls to those guys a few minutes before the first vote. The fact that Hillary bothered to DENY that she'll twist their arms should be proof enough that she's planning to do exactly that. :)
know exactly where every one of the superdelegates' bodies are buried. (Especially since they buried many of those bodies themselves)
Money, Ideology, Conscience, Ego. Any one of those four can cause a voluntary switch in support*.
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*Yes, even Conscience.
But Ideology ? These people are politicians.
I'D shorten that to M.E. because its all about T.H.E.M.*
*The High Exalted and Mighty
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
better make that M.I.E.
Money? -- Check
Ideology? -- Check
Ego? -- Check
Conscience? -- well, lets go back to money
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Hillary can't be bargained with. She won't be reasoned with. And she absolutely will not stop until she is President of the US.
I am sure she is twisting superdelegates arms, or bribing them, or whatever. And I would expect that her mailings and ads are increasingly negative and vicious towards Obama.
The only thing that has surprised me is that Hillary hasn't used Obama's tall tale regarding Afghanistan to make her point that he is totally out of his depth as commander in chief. Even Democrats, I would think, would respond to that. The general public certainly will.
On your first point, the fact that Hillary wants to be President doesn't mean she's going to be President. She's run such a pathetic campaign on all levels -- staff, message, spending, ground game, strategy -- whose bright idea was it to blow off the red-state caucuses?-- and tactics -- whose bright idea was it to use BJ clinton to play the race card? -- that it's dawning on more than a few people that she's simply not up to the job. You have to have a certain level of political skill at its most crass to run for President, let alone get the nomination and win the office. Bill Clinton had that level of skill. She doesn't.
Frankly, she's lucky to be a senator.
I figured that by now, most republicans would have gotten over their ritual fear and trembling at the mighty Clinton machine. Guess it will take a bit longer for some to get over their cringing and whining dread. maybe you haven't noticed the "inevitability" theme has been kicked to the curb and been replaced by Hillary's old standby "you know me, you feel sorry for me, etc." which is her fallback. Well, it got her elected Senator.
On your last point, permit me to make two observations. One, in the Democrat party no one is going to correct your idiotic military anecdote because no Democrat seems to have any knowledge of how the military actually works. You're pretty safe in a Democrat debate saying any idiotic thing that occurs to you, as long as it's anti Bush and doesn't imply that we're doing anything right there.
Secondly, Hillary has already indicated that she's not going to attack Obambi on his quite laughably obvious unfitness to be C in C. Because if he is the nominee, running against McCain means that Obambi will already at a disdvantage without having her challenge on the record.
Her problem, basically, is that she can't get to his left on any issue (that would be impossible), yet she can't make an attack on him from the right because she'd be accused of doing a Rove.
Kind of a conundrum for her. As I've said, she lacks the basic political skill to work her way out of this problem.
Are we talking about Obama's "scrounging for guns" debate thing?
I thought that was confirmed? Didn't someone track down the source?
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Tsk, tsk, tsk. Read the whole thing next time. Particularly the bit where even the author herself admits that the spot in question is a "lonely outpost of regress."
I repeat: you guys seem determined to not even let pass unchallenged the concept that your guy screwed up, even a little.
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But if i recall, Obama never indicated the specifics of where that Capt. was located. Maybe he was also in a 'lonely outpost.'
In any case, you know as well as I do, many times details become vapors in our political discourse and are motivated by winning not accuracy. Here, most probably, Obama went with what he could remember and got details wrong.
I won't at all overlook the reality that he was motivated to argue for Bush's incompetence in the story and that was his endgame-- that's how the big show is played.
Presently, McCain is doing the same back tracking on his remarks on Lobbyists.
Pretending any one of these "saints" is somehow a tower of honor or virtue in the end will only draw you face to face with a bottle of Jack.
...[on the Other Side] suggested by your last paragraph. Not you personally, of course - but you should realize that over here we're well aware that we're faced with what the Democrats faced in '04 with Kerry. Although we have at least one powerful advantage that they lacked.
Moe
PS: Sorry, saving it for the general election. :)
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...until Obama is nominated deified at the Democratic national convention.
I'm going to be from Missouri on this one.
Not sure why you are trying to pick a fight, but I merely was pointing out that there is no way either Clinton is going to give up, ever. It is against their very nature. And they will do anything, short of physical violence, to win.
I never said nor implied that she, or her husband, were geniuses. Bill certainly has more people skills, but neither is that great of a political guru. They have just shown that they are able to channel Democratic hate for Republicans into support for the Clintons. Doesn't take much skill to accomplish this, in today's Democratic party.
I will believe Hillary has lost when I see it. And not before.
And they will do anything, short of physical violence, to win. That should read; And they will do anything to win.
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"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
If the Democrats know so little about the military, then how come there are far more DEMOCRATIC congressmen, governors, and senators who have ACTUALLY SERVED IN THE MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unlike these Chicken Hawks Bush, Cheney, Delay, Limbaugh, Hannity, ext. I think its funny that the one Republican senator who has actually served in the military is just so hated by the right! So many Republican pundits shove the idea down our throats that some how liberals and Democrats are unpatriotic, flag burning, anti-American hippies. How are the Democrats any less patriotic then the Republicans?
BTW, no one on this site has actually been able to give me an answer to that question.
Very, very dumb Obama supporter, at that.
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would gladly pay them to say and do. UBL and Iran's speeches regularly include statements of dems.
Mike "Gamecock" DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
Anyway, I went to look at which party had the most veterans. It's late so I'll look at the Governors and House later. I did look in the Senate. Guess what? Yep, there are more Republican veterans than Democrat veterans. There are 16 Republican veterans to 12 Democrat veterans. So, there ya go, genius.
"Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely and who rely on you in return."-Senator McCain
She sounds like she is challenging Obama to a duel. Give her a week and she will sound exactly like Zell Miller.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
McCain/Clinton '08. Because Cthulhu doesn't actually exist, that's why.
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...John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
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She'll stay in, but she won't win. The Super Delegates will need to have their arms twisted for her to get the nomination and she just said she wouldn't do that.
I'm not liberal but my guess is that Hillary's "shame on you" statement isn't going to win undecided Democrat voters. It also projects the image that Dick Morris everyone skeptic of her present: an angry and power hungry politician who won't stop until she gets what she wants.
The fat lady hasn't sung, but she's certainly on in five.
Can McCain capitalize on the large number of unhappy single-women voters and soccer moms that HRC's defeat will yield?
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