Not Gonna Happen

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ImageThe Obama campaign surprised a lot of people in the past week by suggesting that Georgia was in play. In fact, the Obama campaign has begun running advertisements in Georgia this week -- launching Obama's opening ad campaign.

This has more to do with Obama trying to shape the press message than it does Obama actually trying to win in Georgia. Witness this Time article. After weeks of stories about Obama not being able to win in places like Pennsylvania, Indiana, Michigan, Florida, and Ohio, the Obama campaign is working overtime to convince the media that it can win in places it absolutely cannot. Georgia is one of those places.

"By some estimates we have about 600,000 African Americans in Georgia are eligible but unregistered. I think that number is a little high, but we will be working very hard to register as many voters as we can before the election," said Jane Kidd, chairwoman of the Georgia Democratic Party. "Georgia is one of the most progressive southern states. There are a lot of people moving in, there's a lot of transition, a lot of progressives."

This is, of course the strategy. Obama will win with the votes of black voters. And arguably his data makes the case. In 2004, only 626,838 voters turned out for the Democratic Primary. This year, however, 1,028,495 voters turned out for the Democratic Primary.

That sounds impressive until you realize 947,423 voters turned out in the Republican Primary this year, smaller to be sure, but then everyone knew Huckabee would win Georgia by the time the race got here and Obama could capitalize on the African-American turnout.

Regardless of the impressive primary turnout, let's put some concrete perspective on this.

In Georgia, Obama is calculating that he will have inroads because of Bob Barr, the Libertarian Presidential candidate who is from Georgia and the African-American vote strength.

In 2006, the Libertarians ran Garrett Hayes for Governor in Georgia. Hayes ran a good, but underfunded campaign. A lot of his supporters believed he would have such an impact on the race that Sonny Perdue and Mark Taylor would be forced into a runoff. The Democrats thought the same thing. In fact, Perdue captured 58% of the vote with Hayes only getting 4%.

People forget that Barr lost his district in 2002 and has not held elective office since. Likewise, Barr has drifted from his conservative roots over time. Just because he was once a Georgia congressman does not mean he'll get enough support to hurt McCain.

Additionally, there is the Democratic Party in Georgia (DPG) itself. If you really think Barack Obama has a strong shot in Georgia, surely that is reflected in the DPG's candidate recruitment efforts this year. If Barack Obama is going to sweep across Georgia, surely his coattails will help candidates at the local level. Actually, the DPG has had a terrible candidate recruitment effort this year. Several vulnerable Republicans have gotten a free pass.

Then there is fundraising. The Republicans in Georgia have, since 2000, organized and fundraised the Democrats under the table. The Georgia GOP is well funded and has impressive organizations across the state. Meanwhile, the Democrats are in near rebellion against Jane Kidd, the DPG leader and former State Representative who was unable to get herself re-elected. She has done a craptacular job at fundraising, organizing, and recruiting.

Of course we should not rule out Obama's ability to make Georgia competitive. He will see huge African-American turn out across the south. That does not shake loose history. Georgia went for Bill Clinton in 1992, but Clinton was a Southern Governor. He had cross party appeal and cross racial appeal. Obama, by and large, has neither and the more he runs a campaign centered around the black vote, the less likely he is to grow his base of support in Georgia.

The African-American population in Georgia has increased in the past year or so to close to 30% of the population. That usually does make the state more competitive. But the GOP has solidified itself across the state, turning it once solidly Democratic to solidly Republican. Major suburban metro-Atlanta counties are Republican. Three of the other major metropolitan areas have large military installations that are a hotbed of Republican activity. Senator Saxby Chambliss, a very popular Republican in Georgia, is on the ballot.

Obama's campaign can take some comfort in the latest Insider Advantage polling that shows the state close, but I know of few politicos in Georgia on either side of the aisle who treat IA with a great deal of credibility. Just ask Lieutenant Governor Ralph Reed.

The speculation on Georgia has more to do with changing the media narrative than it does with victory. Obama will not win Pennsylvania. There are other states that will become competitive for John McCain that would not be competitive for a different Republican. But Georgia will stay red, as will the rest of the south. Obama just has a money advantage right now to build hype and buzz.

One of my favorite recent anecdotes is the urban white liberal who put a McCain bumper sticker over the Bill Bradley sticker on his range rover. Obama's politics, positions, and lack of experience do not sell well in Georgia except in areas of large African-American or liberal university professor vote concentrations. And you cannot win Georgia on those demographics.

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I feel GA is highly unlikely to flip D this year, but it is by no means impossible. I live in Fayetteville, GA which is usually reliably Republican, but I have seen way more Obama bumper stickers than McCain by a large margin.

I would say McCain will not be able to ignore GA. He will have to fight for it, but he will indeed win it.

I think your second point is what Obama is really looking for. He knows he can't win, but he knows he can force McCain to dump loads of cash there, thus maybe hurting his funding for someplace like PA or CA or maybe even NJ.

Obama now figures he has enough cash to run a 130 day campaign in every state, while McCain will have a 10th of that money.

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Just have to look at the primaries to know that's Obama's plan. He fought everywhere forcing the Clintons of all people to go almost 30 million dollars in debt. McCain better be a pro about spending money because he cant afford to waste a cent this time around.

Fundraisers yes, spend no. In California (and for his benefit elsewhere) I'd make several statements in support of the amendment overturning the homosexual marriage legislation from the California Supremes, but wouldn't bother with any commercials to that effect. California will vote 55-45 to overturn that legislative/judicial decision but will still vote at least 55-45 for Obama, so there is no need to waste any resources.

The Dems awarded delegates proportionately. The general election is winner take all (NE and ME excepted). Different rules require different strategies. If Obama is foolish enough to waste money in states that will not determine the outcome (something I personally doubt), then McCain should welcome this. Whether Georgia could become a real battleground is a different question.

"That sounds impressive until you realize 947,423 voters turned out in the Republican Primary this year, smaller to be sure, but then everyone knew Huckabee would win Georgia by the time the race got here . . . ."

http://www.pollster.com/08-GA-Rep-Pres-Primary.php

Maybe Obama can take Georgia...maybe not. I dunno. But one thing is for certain, it's going to be close enough that McCain will be required to spend, and spend big time. And spending boatloads of money in a place where Republicans should be safe is no good. It takes those already meager resources away from other, more precarious states where a win is not a given in a year like this.

He needs to dig out more dead bodies in order to win GA.

According to one set of polls, McCain has a slight lead in Georgia (by 1%, give or take), but Barr has 6% of Georgia. If Barr takes enough of the Anti-War Conservatives out of play, Obama's hopes suddenly start to look better. :-/ I'll worry more if it looks bad come September, though. Right now, they can drink their kool-aid, it is summer after all.

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He brings the base and is the best natural campaigner among the Republicans. The only polls I've seen show him stronger electorally speaking than any other possibility.

I believe that the only way Georgia turns blue is in an Obama 40-45 state landslide. A blue Georgia means that Obama wins a Reagan-esque victory...which I doubt will happen.

is this poll. Now I don't recognize the polling company, so I can't really evaluate it, but looking at the specific numbers a few things jumped out at me, assuming the poll is reasonably accurate.

1. The sample is slightly biased towards Republicans, with 155 Rs to 135 Ds, to 118 independents. That's probably fairly representative. But they've obviously weighted things a bit since the numbers don't exactly add up, and it's not really obvious which way they've weighted things.

2. There is literally no reason for McCain to move to the right, or to cater to the base in Georgia. Of the 155 people identified as Republicans in the survey, only 0.7% of them were undecided. This is most likely exactly one person.

3. There are significant undecided percentages in the middle (19%) and on the left (10%).

4. Bob Barr's support comes almost equally between Republicans and Democrats, and absolutely nothing in the middle. So he's getting the anti-war fringe of both parties.

So how are the undecideds going to break? I think the rule of thumb is that undecideds typically break towards the challenger, but with no incumbent here, that would depend on how much McCain is identified with President Bush. If I had to guess, though, if the election were held today, enough of the undecideds would break Obamas way that McCain would lose, and if he didn't, it would be a very late night before it was determined.

Of course, the election isn't held today, so those who want McCain to win have plenty of time to push that forward.

Was this a typo or an insane degree of optimism?

....will win Florida or Ohio.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

Categorically stating that either "will not win" either of the three, though, requires donning glass of such a deep shade of rose that they're practically purple.

They're called swing states for a reason.

By the way, as long as we're playing the predictions game. He's my wild prediction:

If McCain does win, it will be essentially with the same states Bush won with. If Obama wins, however, it will be by 300+.

If Obama wins, however, it will be WITH 300+. (i.e. Obama will have 300 or more electoral votes, NOT that Obama will have 300 or more electoral votes more than McCain. I'm not THAT insane.)

than getting those 600,000+ eligible African Americans registered. In the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, Georgia had one of the lowest percentage turnouts of African Americans. They even have trouble getting their registered voters to turn out. And that was in years where nationally, Gore got 92% of the black vote and Kerry got 88%.

 
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