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By Erick Posted in 2008 — Comments (36) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
Why did Barack Obama wait 24 hours to denounce Reverend Wright's statements?
Because he had to poll test the issue first. (Note: Obama denies he actually took the poll. Of course, he's pretty consistently been lying about this whole thing so I don't think we can believe him)
We don't know anything about Barack Obama's experience. We must judge him by his judgment.
This is a man who did not distance himself from Tony Rezko until the Rezko scandal blew up. He did not distance himself from Bill Ayers until Americans were reminded of who Ayers is. And he threw his grandmother under the bus while refusing to distance himself from Wright *until* it was poll tested and, no doubt, wife approved.
Do we really want a guy like that as President? With Obama, you can believe he'd poll test his response to a terrorist attack -- he's just that lacking. And consequently, he's that dangerous.
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It certainly seems plausible. Lets face it Obama could be shampoo or Cheerios for all the sincerity he and his campaign have but is there more ? Have the other usual actors been ruled out ?
For all we know Hillary or a 527 could have been running the poll.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
pretty ridiculous, but funny!
" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised
Hopefully our side has enough 527s to run advertisements that fully expose Obama. I don't think McCain or the RNC will do it and the media certainly will not.
What is my point?
It's all speculation.
This is all stupid.
It will have ZERO bearing on the final outcome.
Folks that are paying attention to EITHER "issue" won't be voting for that candidate regardless.
The horse is dead.
Can we please stop kicking?
How long have we known what a crackpot Jeremiah Wright is?
How long did it take Obama to run from him?
It took until now, when we, who have never met the man, knew weeks ago that he was two hymnals short of a full pew.
Obama, who is by the way running for Presi-fricking-dent, ostensibly needed to hear Wright being teh whack. Where was he when the rest of the congregation was doing church? Where was his research team during all of this time?
It's not over until we quit.
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Gone 2500 years, still not PC.
The fear of Obama around here is palpable. Do you really think anyone who is actually going to vote will be swayed by any of this?
I thought this was a Republican/conservative website...yet the daily bombardment of Obama blogs never seems to end.
I wish the GOP had nominated a strong candidate....but we didn't. Maybe then folks wouldn't be so freaked out over Obama and his idiot preacher.
We berate the media for their liberal leanings, then turn around and perpetuate their garbage stories with diaries like this and the hundreds like it.
So kick away if it makes you feel better I guess. The choir has already been converted, but don't let that stop you. It's so much easier than supporting our chosen candidate.
One-term Senators who got their job because Jack Ryan couldn't help but show the world how well he was doing always frighten the dickens out of us. Particularly when they can't give a good speech without a Teleprompter, a sympathetic media audience, and a choir of angels as backup.
[deadpan kirk]
MrSyHastings. I'm laughing at Hope and Change.
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The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Every day this site is flooded with Obama diaries....now we're getting them from Erick.
Diaries based on speculation and innuendo.
The chaff is burying the wheat man.
barack obama is calling for change by caring more for voters issues. He has the same amount of votes as Hillary Clinton in indiana.
hes changing because the rich voters dont like him any more. and they will vote for mccain.
hes been going everywhere in Indiana, and the people have no jobs. and where unemployment is two percent above the national average. the Presidential Candidate spoke about how he would bring changes to help people.
and waxman is going to help change people in California. theyre perfect together.
Obama/Waxman 08
But don't worry: the fellow's started his long, steep dive back into the atmosphere, so it'll all be over soon.
Until then, the door's over there if you can't stand it any longer.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I have been saying for a long time this guy is dangerous...
A government big enough to give you what you need, is big enough to take what you have - Thomas Jefferson
He could have waited for the results of the focus groups, but it was more politically expedient, the poll told him, to work at ending this thing now.
This is a tacit admission by Barack Obama that he's not about change and hope. This confirms what many of us have suspected: every statement he's made on the campaign trail to this point has been empty, has meant nothing.
Barack Obama is a cynical politician, not too far off from Dick Nixon in that respect.
we already had a guy like this as president: William Jefferson Clinton. Obama is building a bridge back to the 20th century.
"Many of us are quite disposed to barter [freedom] away for what we call energy, coercion, and some other terms we use as vaguely as that of liberty - There is often as great a rage for change and novelty in politics, as in amusements and fashions." ~ Federal Farmer
Bill that is. He would have had the political sanity to toss Wright under the train long before it got to this.
Why? Because Wright "commanded the stage for four or five days." In other words, Obama's big issue is what typical politicians care about. Getting "angry" when those whom they try to avoid are the very one who drive them off-stage.
And, yet he takes unbrage that Wright called him a "politician" the very kind of label that Obama considers defamatory in propagating with messianic zeal his vacuous messages of "hope" and "change". Obama is now stands exposed by his own spiritual mentor. Just another politician. Ouch!
I can't and won't ask anyone else to subscribe to this view.
Having backed McCain for years, and advocated for him in these virtual pages, I intend to vote for Senator McCain. Why accept Cleon or Nicias when Pericles is available?* Yet, I have always found Obama's comments on race & Wright (the two are inseparable) sincere. He has repeatedly arose above an impossible situation. You can quibble with Obama's speech in Philadelphia, but the fact that one can only raise honest quibbles with such a serious subject is testimony enough to Obama's insights.
I respect that my view may not be widely held on this site. That's fine: I never was a particularly good Republican. Still, I want this written down -- even if, in this decadent age, writing consists of electrons pausing between states:
Barack Obama is a good man. He doesn't deserve this.
von
*Hi, Pretentiousness? Thy namesake is in my tagline (special expanded version; all that is good about western civilization is in the Funeral Oration):
If then we prefer to meet danger with a light heart but without laborious training, and with a courage which is gained by habit and not enforced by law, are we not greatly the better for it? Since we do not anticipate the pain, although, when the hour comes, we can be as brave as those who never allow themselves to rest; thus our city is equally admirable in peace and in war. For we are lovers of the beautiful in our tastes and our strength lies, in our opinion, not in deliberation and discussion, but that knowledge which is gained by discussion preparatory to action. For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.
I would add, however, that I think he joined the church for political reasons which undermines his "new kind of politician" claim. It also makes me question his ability to judge people if he really didn't think Rev. Wright was a radical.
I still think Sen. Obama is sincere and not destructive like the Clintons. I think he wants to be a unifying force and rise above the partisan divisions of the country. But I am coming around to the view that he hasn't interacted with anyone outside of a small clique of elite school graduates and Hyde Park residents. Thus, I don't think he realizes what conservatives believe or what rural folks care about. It's hard to be a unifier of people you've never interacted with.
So I'm beginning to see him as sincere, but entirely misguided. He is not a unifier. He wants the country to embrace his liberal views, not to bridge the divide. And he does not shun people who should be outside of polite society. For a guy running on "judgment," that's not an unimportant piece of data.
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him that. Not at all he is at best a weak man who thinks power should be his to remake the world.
Good men do not pay for hate racism under the guise of church. Good men realize they have made bad choices and not only after the choices are exposed to the world.
20+ years of making bad choices cannot be swept away.
of "doing what a politician does." His denunciation of Wright is coming very late in the game, leaving the people to wonder why it took so long? Why did he stay in that church for 20 years? Wright's been saying this kind of stuff for at least that long.
For some, the question may come to why Obama joined that church in the first place? Did he do it to join like-minded believers in worship or was it the "politically" right church to join? It certainly wouldn't be the first example of a political figure joining a prominent church because it's the prominent church, for the exposure, instead of joining because of like-minded worship.
For some, the question may come to why Obama joined that church in the first place? Did he do it to join like-minded believers in worship or was it the "politically" right church to join?
My simple theory is that he did it, in order to prove to the urban blacks of Chicago that he was "black enough."
When Colin Powell was mulling a Presidential run in 1996, the usual claque of black "leaders" were saying publicly that Powell just isn't "black enough." That is, he didn't have the social constructs associated with "blackness": Bitterness, a sense of grievance, that inverted racial snobbery that motivates young black males to strut, etc.
For Obama, who is only half black, these blacks would be even more suspicious of him. In Reverend Wright's rants, white America is seeing just how narrow-minded and bigoted blacks can be. Obama had to overcome that, or else he would have had no black base of support in Chicago at all.
Whatever. Who in the good lord's name cares what Obama's pastor said? I certainly don't. Why should Obama have to call a press conference every time his preacher says something idiotic? I think that we can all guess that, even if Obama's too inexperienced to be president, he doesn't hate America or white people or think that the US Government caused AIDS. Let's get real.
Plenty of real issues to nail Obama on, like having about ONE YEAR of experience in the Senate. People don't take conservatives seriously anymore because we play these political games and try to scare people. W.F. Buckley wouldn't have attacked Obama for something the guy's pastor said; he would attack Obama for the quality of his ideas.
and nothing cuts through the smoke and mirrors of the Barak "the uniter" Obama than the creepy anti-American people he hangs out with.
His associations exhibit bad judgment and his willingness to challenge people.
How naive is Obama not to realize that Wright is a nut? The U.S. government created aids?
How can we trust Obama meeting on the dangerous international stage? Obama meets with Iran, Hamas, North Korea, etc.
What Wright says at this point is only relevant to the extent that it shows Obama to be a fool.
Obama's response to the charge (from Hillary and McCain) that he lacks experience, has been that he still has good judgment. He points out that he had the good judgment to realize that the Iraq War wasn't worth fighting.
But the way Obama has handled this entire Reverend Wright business, speaks very poorly about his judgment. It really undercuts two of the main claimed strengths of his entire candidacy: His "post-racial" appeal to all races, and his cool sense of judgment that can avoid trouble before it starts.
...but going through the trouble of registering at this site for the express purpose of telling us why Issue X isn't worth talking or caring about is fairly counterproductive.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
...that has nothing to do with either the original poster or this site.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Trolls sometimes name themselves after commie heroes.
Mobys like to pick obscure fascists, like "Skorzeny" did awhile back.
Expect Georgy Zhukov or Filippo Marinetti to start commenting here soon.
This was from ABC News:
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
It [Wright's ranting] was on national t.v. Everyone could see it, Charlie. And his campaign realized this posed a mortal threat really to his nomination. It also - Rev. Wright yesterday left the impression that somehow Barack Obama secretly agreed with this - he was just being a politician.
Barack Obama couldn't afford to let that stand.
They were seeing this bleeding in Indiana and North Carolina. They were hearing from other superdelegates that Obama had to look strong. And then when Obama saw the performance himself he did get mortally teed off - that tipped the balance.
You guys really want to open this can of worms? Are you certain McCain can handle the same scrutiny in reference to who he calls his friends?
There was quite a bit of Hagee - McCain talk before Wright came along.
Sauce for the goose and all that ...
When I've tried to discuss Reverend Wright with some lefties, they retorted, "What about McCain's junkie wife?"
And I replied, "Excellent! Go ahead, make a TV ad attacking McCain's 'junkie wife'! Run it in all major markets!"
So far, they haven't tried.
To be honest, I find it hard to believe that Wright himself actually believes the spew that comes out of his own mouth. He actually strikes me as a canny con-man who's figured out - just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton - how to make money (see his $1.6 million retirement home in a 95% White gated neighborhood) using race and grievance as wedges to divide.
Obama's TWENTY+ year relationship with Wright shows more than a lack of judgment, it shows a lack of character, especially if he does indeed not believe the same as Wright - which I can certainly concede that he does not.
I don't think most of the people on our side of the divide leaping to his defense really comprehend just how poisonous what Wright actively spread from the pulpit - with Obama sitting in the pews for twenty+ years - actually is. He deliberately corroded minds and sowed seeds of hate in his parishioners.
For Obama to have sat there, donating thousands of dollars and only saying something critical when it was clear that the issue was hurting his campaign shows more than a lack of judgment. He knew better ... and he did nothing. His silence would be more redeeming if he actually didn't know any better.
At the bare minimum he could have done as Oprah did, he could have left that "Church" - but he did not. For anyone to lend any credence to him today claiming that he had no idea of the type of man Wright was - the man in front of whose pulpit he sat as he preached Crazy™ for twenty years, who supposedly "led him to Christ", who officiated his marriage to his wife, who baptized his children - is jaw-dropping (to say the very least).
To further illustrate my point - look to your left. This is a picture of one of the people competing in the Republican Primaries for the IN-2 seat in Congress. And yes, the idiot is actually speaking at a Neo-Nazi convention celebrating Hitler's birthday about two weeks ago. According to him, he doesn't actually believe as they believe - and he just went there once(!) to "witness" to them.
I doubt that explanation would fly with anyone here. It certainly doesn't fly with me. Which is why Obama's new found distaste for the content of Wright's sermons or his protests (true or not) that they do not reflect his beliefs do not fly with me - no matter how often he chants his apparently hypnotic "Hope & Change™" mantra.
To be honest, I find it hard to believe that Wright himself actually believes the spew that comes out of his own mouth.
Why not?
It may surprise you, but this sort of Afrocentric hate is commonplace in Black Studies Departments in liberal arts universities across the nation. Black academicians with Ph.D.'s write impressive-looking papers to "prove" Black racial superiority, and to "prove" that Western culture is just a "perversion" of African culture. I've heard from African-Americans who said they took Black Studies courses in college, and were told by their professors that Black people are superior to white people.
In today's City Journal, Heather MacDonald reviews some of the academicians that were cited by Reverend Wright, and others as well. Wright didn't invent his idea about genetic differences between white brains and left brains; he got it from the "research" of Janice Hale at Wayne State University:
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0429hm.html
And have you forgotten Leonard Jeffries, who taught that black people were superior "sun people," while white people he dismissed as "ice people"?
Summed up perfectly.