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The continuation of this Reverend Wright story further demonstrates the fraud that is BarackObama. Let's work the timeline on this.
BarackObama claims that he would have left the church in 2007 if Wright had not stepped down as an "active" pastor. (Note that he is still "senior" pastor and all sermons in the church bulletin are copyright to Wright).
Of course in 2006, BarackObama gave his largest donation to the church ever: $22,500 (which is probably on par with the annual salary of many of his followers). That's twenty-two thousand five hundred demonstrations of his support for the message and work of Rev. Wright, coming at a time when BarackObama would have us believe that he was struggling with Wright's words and leadership.
Of course, you will recall that when the Wright story first broke, BarackObama simply “hadn't heard” about these sermons. They didn't happen when he was there, he’d never been told about them, and he simply had no clue about the statements and beliefs being made and held by his Spiritual Mentor, even as he took his young girls week after week to hear Wright’s sermons. Of course, as absentee pointed out on the front page last night, it was Wright's racial (and racist) message that so appealed to BarackObama in the first place, drawing him in to the Trinity fold so many years ago.
Once that fell through, he attempted to use Wright and Trinity as a wedge issue, telling White Ameri[KKK]a that we simply don’t understand why this is a perfectly acceptable way to view, and speak about, the country that has given its citizens more opportunity than any in history. Of course, he didn’t say that it was perfectly acceptable in so many words; instead, he danced around the issue, saying he couldn’t “disown” Rev. Wright (when that was not what he was asked to do anyway), and telling White America that it is, in essence, genetically incapable of “getting” the racial struggle that broils below the surface of this nation, continuously stoked by race warlords like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and Jeremiah Wright.
Back to Obama’s repeated attempts to spin this way and that, and to distance himself from Wright without actually doing so. What is going on here is quite simple: BarackObama is lying. In fact, he is, to use a technical term, lying his freaking pants off. His lies on this topic have morphed into an extremely convenient form, as well. Now that his actions have been exposed as being opposite of what he first claimed, BarackObama has shifted gears and is lying about his state of mind – something that it is very difficult to disprove or to corroborate.
Unfortunately for BarackObama, his actions are speaking far louder than his largely empty words, and he is being exposed as a fraud on more fronts than he has the means to defend. Jeremiah Wright, whose message he chose to hear, to take his family to hear, and to support with amounts of his own money that would make Blue Collar Americans like those who make up his supporters turn green with envy, is one issue that will continue to haunt him throughout this campaign – and rightly so, as BarackObama seems entirely unable to drop the façade and actually tell the truth about his own view, dealings, beliefs, and attendance.
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You guys are a hoot.
Your side had it's chance with Reagan/Bush/Gingrich/Bush, and our economy and global brand are in tatters. The middle class flatlined years ago. There are what, 30 countries where people live longer than in the US? White Europeans are now taller than white Americans? What's happened?!
The US needs to re-tool. Invest in infrastructure, training, R&D. We have whole classes of people who don't fit into our labor market.
You can be stupid and say that we just need to go 'back' to some previous faux-wonderland, or (even better), just keep doing the same thing and everything will work out in the end! (See: McCain.)
Or, you can try to use the best evidence to gear ourselves for reality as it presents itself today. And that means that the government will play a substantial role in making this happen.
The time for rigid ideology is over. We want America to be strong, smart, and proud again.
You Redstate guys clearly love the USA. Get with the program and we can return to our former glory.
Your side had it's chance with Reagan/Bush/Gingrich/Bush, and our economy and global brand are in tatters
What a joyous talking point. There is absolutely no measurement to back it up and its doubtful that you could. Just by way of our brand being in tatters I notice Eastern Europe is jumping at the chance to host our missile defense systems.
Average Height ???
What Bush and Cheney had a shrink ray ??
And for more ideological idiocy
The US needs to re-tool. Invest in infrastructure, training, R&D. We have whole classes of people who don't fit into our labor market.
We have 95% employment on the books and illegals coming over to fill off the books jobs. Just who are these whole classes.
Glad to see the liberals still have as yet to engage their brain before putting their mouths in gear
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
No need for us to let BHO set race relations in this country back 30+ years like his pastor is trying to encourage.
No need for us to go back to the foreign policy of Jimmah Carter/George McGovern.
No need for us to go back to double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, and double digit unemployment.
Former glory? Naw. We're still good. Some of us are even smart enough to reject hopeandchangehopeandchangehopeand change because it is nothing more than old retooled liberalism of the 70's.
Middle class flat-lined? Funny, my income and assets have increased 30% and 20% respectively over the last 8 years.
Global brand in tatters? Yes, that is why as I type this there is an ad at the top of my home page for German people seeking ways to get the coveted green card to immigrate to the US.
Oh, and nice way to completely ignore the comments you have gotten below because they don't fit into your chosen meme.
Take your talking points elsewhere. We aren't buying them here.
Again, idiot.
Geez, do I have to do your homework for you? I’d though the conservatives were the hard-data, bottom-line guys. And, feel free to cite your anecdotal personal data, but what we should be more interested in is broad national trends. Here you go:
America's Image Slips
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=252
America Loses Its Stature as Tallest Country
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR200708...
Real wage reversal persists
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_20080220se
This is just a small sample of the types of trends we're seeing.
I think it's time we looked out for our national interest (domestically as well as internationally), rather then defending our perceived tribal class/race/gender interest.
You can try to trash me here, or you can engage honestly in this discussion. The fact is: by a lot of measures, things haven't been going so well in the US. We should all ask why, and what can we do to drive ourselves out of the ditch. (The pat answer "too much taxes/regulation" won't cut it anymore, since that approach has been tried almost exclusively over the past 30 years.)
If you don't care to think hard about these things, your side is going to steer itself further into failure and irrelevance.
us how crappy the US is and how if we will just pretty please vote for Obama, all will be well again.
Pfttt!
Look here newbie, we do tons of research, debate, and discussion here on this site. What we don't do is listen to recycled talking points repeated over and over by a disingenous idiot.
So, here's the deal, I am invoking
THE HINZ RULE!!!
(abs, street, someone, feel free to provide the image in a rtt below. Thanks in advance.)
The US is awesome, but we're not so perfect that we're above any degree of "self-improvement."
I'm not attacking anyone personally, and I think it'd be classy of you all to abstain from attacking me personally as well. If you have the facts on your side, you won't need to resort to personal attacks anyway.
About the fact that we aren't the tallest nation. While you are at it why don't you come up with some way it would be overall beneficial for us to be taller and how the government could help out with that.
Otherwise I will have to assume you are just paranoid about this gentleman's activities.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
From the Wapost article cited above:
"Height is considered a bellwether of a society's well-being. As wealth increases, often so does height. Wealth usually improves nutrition and medical care, enabling people to reach their maximum growth potential and live longer. The key years are early childhood -- with those children receiving the best nutrition and suffering the least illness growing the best."
"It's a puzzle to which we really don't have a good answer at this point," said Robert Fogel of the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. "Nobody has identified anything that can really explain it."
I'll stick with Dr. Reducto for now. I'd recommend a national manhunt.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I don't have the graphic and even if I did, I wouldn't know how to put it in there.
My ChimpyMcBushHalliburton education has left me a little wanting. :>)
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
The first, and most obvious point has to do with the height thing. Only someone with a serious inferiority complex would even be concerned about height. The only cure for that is professional counseling.
The next thing has to do with the US image abroad slipping. I can see where a lot of other countries see us in a poor light. They do not agree with how we do things. This especially applies to European and Socialist counties in general. However, this KnownFactTM is easily rebutted by simple immigration numbers. The simple fact of the matter is that lefty Universities will always put out reports, polls and surveys that show how terrible we are as a nation, that will never change. However, if we are so terrible, why is illegal immigration such a huge problem that people from other counties will do anything to get into this country? Have you ever heard of the term, "voting with your feet"? If our image abroad was so awful, why isn't the immigration flow going the other way? Until the immigration flow reverses itself, this is nothing more than propaganda by the left in an attempt to influence policy.
The last thing deals with real wage reversals. Okay, maybe there are some issues with how take home income has slipped some. I have not seen the numbers, and I am not prepared to rebut them. However, I do want to ask. If our wage situation is so awful, why are people from other counties beating down our national doors to get into our country to improve themselves? It is because our nation is so well off, that a family of 4 that does not own two cars, three TV sets and a computer is poverty stricken by todays standards? Have you gone to try and live in Zimbabwe lately? How about North Korea? How about living in Mexico? By world standards, we are one of the wealthiest nations on earth, and we have been that way for so long, that people today are screaming poverty if they don't own a BMW.
I'll take the good Ol USA any day. Yea, we have our issues, however, one of them is that we are so spoiled in wealth that we have no concept of what poverty is anymore. That is not something to complain about, unless you are on the upper spectrum of spoiled.
...but this is just my opinion.
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Several of us did engage Petal. The poor flower just couldn't hang though and wouldn't respond below.
... sometimes the talking points are too easy to shoot down that I just can't let it go. The dude is stuck in lefty psyco-babble and is devoid of factual information. They need to take a basic Macro-Economics class. I always recommend Dr Thomas Sowell's book on Basic Economics, but I am always afraid it will make their little brains explode with reality based information.
A sad pity too.
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the talking points, but the flower child is purposefully ignoring those.
It's funny, after living in Europe for 6 months, I have never felt more proud to be an American. While I enjoy the travel opportunities and the food, the day to day nanny state living drives me up a wall sometimes.
And rest assured, a large portion of these Europeans would give up body parts for a chance to immigrate to the US.
The size thing is funny. I am 5'8" and hubby is an even 6'. When we were in Italy a few years ago, we went to the Armani outlet to purchase a few things. Both of us were at the tallest/biggest of the size scales. And neither one of us is overweight. I felt like an Amazon trying on clothes in there. I'm finding that to be the case here in Germany as well.
As a short guy, when I was stationed in Japan, I was thrilled because for the first time I was able to go into the Men's Dept. and find clothes that fit me! Right now I do most of my shopping in the Boys Dept and my wife still giggles when she sees me looking for clothes on the kids rack here in the states.
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Some day I want to take my kids over and show them around. That was such a fun year and I have so many fond memories.
Shuri Castle, Nakagin up in Nago and I loved going to Okuma for long weekends. I loved the Cherry Blossom Festival in Nago every spring too.
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Gaw, and Kobe beef. My mom and I used to eat at the Kyoto Hotel or the Four Seasons about every two weeks. She and I both loved that stuff. I probably couldn't afford it anymore.
I loved eating in the Japanese side of Jack's Place. The Kobe beef, fried cabbage and bean sprouts were awesome!
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ps, I think it's hilarious that you're using that term for me. As 'groovy' as they may have been for you, the 60's are over, man.
Once those 60s-era battles die with the Boomers, the right wing will have virtually nothing to campaign on. As someone who wasn't even alive during Woodstock, I have to tell you -- most of us under 40 don't give a sh*t about race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, or the other things that have helped the GOP eek over the finish line in recent years. Not that we're "PC" or something - we just understand that it's dumb (anti-American, even) to exclude people.
in which you have a demonstrated lack of knowledge.
Here is a few simple questions for you. If you think about it you might actually start to think.
Which party is tearing itself apart over race and gender issues ?
Which party thinks that race and gender are qualifications to hold office ?
Which party will do worse when race and gender are no longer an issue ?
How paradoxical for you.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
About the issue of height, it's not a matter of having an "inferiority complex," it's a concern about this measure being a proxy for a relative (vs. Europe) lowering of our standard of living.
The Pew Poll I referenced (showing a stark decline in US imagine abroad, nearly everywhere) can't be outright dismissed as biased -- because the same people (Pew) did the same poll at each time point over the years. I assume the same questions were asked in the same way using the same methodology. The only thing that changed were the responses.
Your comment about real wage reversals sort of surprised me. Would you really argue that the US is doing great, as long as we're doing better than 3rd world countries -- and therefore drawing immigrants from those places? That's a pretty low bar for us to get over. I think our goal should be to be as successful as possible, always, not simply to be more affluent than, say, Zimbabwe.
I am 5' 4" and I was laughed at and teased by kids in school for being short. I didn't graduate from High School. I got a Certificate of Attendance. However, after a series of minimum wage jobs I went back and got my Diploma so I could join the military. I joined the Air Force and retired after 21 years of service. While I was in the military I went to night school and got my Associates Degree. After I retired I got out and got a little bit worse paying job, but with my retirement check I ended up a little better off. However, due a medical condition, I had some serious medical bills come my way.
Do you know what I did? I didn't scream for government run health care, nor did I cry poverty to anyone. I got a second job and went back to night school to get my bachelors degree in computer science. I am still not done with school. I have 8 classes left.
Even though I have not finished school I have already had several companies call me at home and offer me jobs at almost twice the pay I am making in my present job.
You see, unlike people like you. I believe in getting up off my behind and doing for myself and my family what needs to be done to improve our family situation. I am not into making excuses or sitting in the mud pouting and crying for the government to save me. I am not asking for someone to come up with some new phycological syndrome to explain why I can't make it on my own either. I am not using my height as an excuse either.
I am doing it myself. In other words, I am one of those evil greedy conservatives who resents people crying for the government to raise my taxes because I stole it from the poor people.
Self esteem is earned by hard work. It is not bequeathed by the US Department of Esteem.
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public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println(""The only reason that some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.")
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
It's cool to hear that you've continued fighting for yourself. Yes, you are a model for everyone in that sense.
Now - I'd love to hear what you think about my previous entry responding to your comments (Zimbabwe, etc.).
Name for me a country, any country in which, in your view, is a better place to live than the USA?
I actually believe you will name some socialist paradise, but name for me one other country that has a higher demand for people to immigrate too?
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is, um.....nowhere! And I have lived in Europe and Japan.
Although, I could see myself going on a very long vacation to Australia should we be overtaken by the messiah come Nov.
There is no other place in the world better than the US for achieving your dreams. Even BHO admits that.
I'm just as American as any of you. But I'm not such a fool to think that the US is by all definitions the best place in the world right now.
Three measures of best-ness I can think of off the top of my head are: health, happiness, and wealth.
Let's check in on the data for each of these measures. Where do we rank?
Health:
http://www.economist.co.uk/markets/rankings/pocketworldinfigures/display...
Happiness:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5224306.stm
Wealth:
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/variable-638.html
I wasn't able to find rankings for the last one, but you can easily compare if you scroll down through the list. (For reference, the US GDP per capita was $41,636. Pretty great, but does anyone else even come close? How about those countries that stacked up well in terms of health and happiness?)
I'll let you guys interpret these findings and report back.
psych class. Each weekend another lame child wanders in playing coy word games, wasting bandwidth and them wanders back to write their little diaries.
They (read; YOU) are a total waste of our time. They (read; YOU) have NO interest in debate; no interest in exchanging ideas; no interest in anything but disruption.
Time for The Hinz Rule!
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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System.out.println(""The only reason that some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.")
Go elsewhere to try to take us back to panics, bread lines, gas lines, and a malaise.
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Change the subject to Hillary in Kosovo.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
BO said he never bought the church's DVDs that had Wright's rantings. You would think for that kind of payola donation, he would have received a
Dr. Martin Luther King sought to have people judged by the color of their character than by the color of their skin. Recent black leaders seek to divide us by harping on the sis of the past. It will be interesting to se if this come back to haunt Mr. Obama. Hillary doesn't seem to want to touch it.
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The Wright controversy isn't going away - there's just too much "there" there. What Wright has been saying consistently for years is so repugnant & prolific, it has the Obamabots up in arms.
It's quite funny to see the Obamabots & Clintonistas go at each other. I frequent the Tennessean's Political Forum & one can see that any mention of Wright's spewings is met with spewings from the Obama supporters. They scream about how meaningless it is, revealing the negative effect it's having for Obama & his supporters.
If you cared enough to listen to BHO's speech on the topic, you'd know that his involvement with Trinity/Wright makes perfect sense. He sees himself as a bridge-builder -- and being half-white and half-black, he is well-positioned to do just that.
In order to build a bridge, one needs to be able to reach and rest on the 'shore' at each end. He's obviously been very involved with white people and institutions his whole life. No question there. His involvement with black people and institutions was far less -- hence, his involvement with an iconic, influential church like Trinity. Here, he was exposed to a slice of the unfiltered black experience.
(You can call this latter move a cynical Chicago political calculation if you want, but it's more broadly & accurately explained by what I just said above.)
It makes perfect sense if you care to think about it. And it's not entirely separate from the logic behind meeting face-to-face with foreign 'enemies.' I.e., one needs to know what people are thinking in order to have any degree of finesse in a tough situation.
Obama operates like a savvy, successful business leader. It's ironic -- he's schooling the party of business on how to get things done.
Which brings us to the question conservatives will all need to answer: Would you prefer to see a strong, increasingly affluent, successful America (under Obama); or, would you prefer to wallow in mediocrity?
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1) Yes, considerably.
2) NOTA. But the dems will take advantage of MY capital by raising my taxes so I have to work harder to bring home the same pay.
3) NOTA. But since I have to choose...Let's see. Obama & Hillary want to work their "employees" (taxpayers) to the bone, take as much of their money as they can, then use the money to turn their "company" into an outlay of cash with no provable gains.
McCain wants me to get a better return on my investments (more money in my pocket for the work I do) and wants his "company" to start a path toward efficiency by tackling earmark policies.
I choose McCain.
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1-Yes. Our family income has increased about 30%.
2-Underutilized human capital? Are you talking about the approx 5.0% national unemployment rate? Hmm.....John McCain would be my first choice.
3-John McCain, hands down. Not even a question for me.
The candidate best advantaged to utilize our "underutilized" human capital is the one candidate that actually believes in capitalism. Drum roll please...
John McCain!
America isn't a wholey socialist country, yet. John McCain has some faults, but he looks like a frickin genius compared to his two socialist democrat rivals.
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To the 30% angry, left wing, America hating, Move On, Daily Kos, netroot gang.
Go ahead and nominate him and McCain wins in a landslide.
I find this Obama as some kind of rock star hilarious. If America is so in love with him, why can't he beat Hillary, a highly flawed candidate, in blue states like Pennsylvania?
LOL!
I'm not sure where you live or what you do for a living, but I live and work around this country's finest. Mediocrity doesn't even come close to describing my peers.
Oh yes, please do tell us how Obama the opportunist is operating like a savvy business leader. By earmarking funds for his wife to get a raise? Hmm...I'll pass on that kind of savvy.
Sorry, if Obama was going to build bridges in that hate-America church, he would have done it long before now. But that isn't really what he is interested in at all. He is willing to surround himself with people who are ready to finally make whitey pay for all that ails them. Bzzt. Sorry, that isn't bridge building.
Since it is Sunday, I think I'll go ahead and ask for forgiveness for calling you an idiot, because that is all you are flower-child.
he also have his babies baptised in that hate whitey madrassa? The load your trying to sell stinks of obfuscation. Very unbecoming!
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you make it too easy. BHO is building a bridge, by attending a church that widens the gulf between the races on an almost daily basis? Way to go Barack!
If you believe in a never-ending expansion of government to "fix" the problems that a never-ending expansion of government creates, then sure, Barack is your man! His proposals to ever-expand government into every facet of our lives will achieve that goal.
Which brings us to the question conservatives will all need to answer: Would you prefer to see a strong, increasingly affluent, successful America (under Obama); or, would you prefer to wallow in mediocrity?
Taking money away from the achievers, to GIVE to the less affluent does not build an "increasingly affluent, successful America."
"Mediocrity?" The only mediocrity I see is in the answers that liberals give to achieve "equality" of outcome.
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs," is still a losing philosophy.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.