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Perhaps Republicans have few black/latino office holders because the peer pressure in those communities against Republicans "of color" is so great.

You might also want to take a look at the Democrats "of color" who generally hold office because, and only because, they are in gerrimandered districts set up to elect a person of color.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Your argument makes sense in regards to minority concentrated districts that are lean heavily left.

What about the other districts - the clear majority of which are not concentrated with minorities?

Part of the problem is recruitment. Part of the problem is that the GOP voters don't nominate minorities when they are running for office or don't support them if they win the nomination.

To say racism is not part of the reason why 4 out of approximately 300 GOP elected federal office holders are minorities is just far off base if you ask me.

In addition, it is extremely difficult to explain to an independant or moderate voters that the GOP does not have a racist streak given our minority representation and the number of minorities in this country.

We have to do a lot better. If we want minorities to seriously consider conservative principles then we have to show them there is a place for them in our party - and not just Condi and Powell being appointed. They have to believe rank and file GOP voters will elect minorities or they will not listen to our policy positions.

1. I don't recall asking you.
2. I'm all for recruiting minority candidates and supporting them from the national level if necessary.
3. Cite some examples of minority candidates who've not been supported by Republicans.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

We've been trying. What do you propose we do?

It's easy to play the race card but you seem to be ingoring the fact that most blacks and latinos do not vote Republican to begin with. It's kinda hard to elect someone to public office when he's not in my party to begin with.

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it was the GOP tat ran 5 Black candidates for office in 2006-and unfortunately they were beaten like everyone else in 2006, but it is not as if we ahve not been trying. We don't have the Black and Latino safe Republican districts-although feel free to point those out to me. Being a Black Repbulcain is the equivalent of me saying that I wake up each morning, beat my girlfriend and go home and beat my mother in the eyes of many Blacks. You sir, are grossly misinformed.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

You'd watch her from the top floor of your mansion while she starves to death in the projects. :>)
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

My mansion and total worth makes Mitt Romney look like Tiny Tim, but of course I wouldn't even give my money to my own mother. I only sit back and laugh at everyones struggled while I ponder just how many white women I can sleep with in just one night. :-)

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Answer me this.

Were those blacks nominated in left leaning districts or right leaning districts or states.

Sure there are far less blacks and latinos in Republican districts, but there are enough to recruit.

If the GOP is only going to nominate minorities in heavily left leaning districts that won't accomplish much - if anything at all.

The party must focus on nominating minorities is districts that they have a chance to win - otherwise we get tarred and feathered as nominating minorities for window dressing only.

statewide elections were the big ones.

The problem is 90% of blacks are in 80% D districts. So there aren't many J.C. Watts in the country.

Nevertheless, LT. GOV Steele ran for MD SEN, SEC STATE Blackwell ran for OH GOV, and Lynn Swann ran for PA GOV. The GOP nominated all of them (two in tight primaries) over white candidates. Then the states rejected them.

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I'd say the GOP cut itself off from these voters by gerrymandering them into as few districts as possible.

Sure it helped us get the mijority - but it also isolated these voters by putting them into D only districts.

Good short term plan, but it sure makes life difficult in the future selling the GOP to these voters.

"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

A lot of whites also ran far away when they were told their kids would have to go to school with them.

Plus, you cannot discount the GOP's effort to crowd as many blacks into as few districts as possible.

Away from race-Black Democrats stomped and howled that they should be allowed to remina divided by race. It is the Dmeocrats who have divided Blacks by race, as is their proven historical preference for segregation. It was Roberts who said "it is a asordid business, this divvying us up by race." Don't blame te GOP for this one-this is all on the CBC and their party thatsmroe than happy to appease the race pimps.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

as well.
We have raised our children to be colorblind and to be friends with all. Sadly, when we returned to the military community after being out in the 'burbs, my middle school daughter has found the social groups to be very segregated. She has a couple of girls she does gymnastics with that are good kids, but won't even look her way in the presence of other black girls at school. Sad, very sad.

Although since we have such a mutli racial family its a bit easier, since my gf and possibly soon to be stepmom is Mexican and his actual mother is biracial, so the race thing is a bit easier for us to teach colorblindness. It is a bit sad how manye kids choose to divide themselves up by race even today.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

My step-mother is Mexican. We have friends that have interracial marriages. My kids have been exposed to all colors, creeds, and religions. It was easy when they were little. It gets harder when they step out into the culture a little bit though.
We just keep talking though and try to raise them to treat others as they would wish to be treated. I feel like we are doing our part as best we can.

And I can imagine is only get harder-I like this easy time where the only thing we fight about is taking a bath...

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

Just you wait.
The biggest thing to remember is that it is not your job to be his friend. That is hard sometimes.

That's something that goes way down hill in Middle School. I can't fault you for that situation, we all seem to fail miserably in the whole process of raising kids between the ages of 11 to 14.

I aprtially base that on comparisons of testing scores between US children and other countries. Our little kids are consistantly ranked between 1-5 in the world in math and reading. At or around 11, we lapse down into the 30's or lower. It's an uncanny and obvious downward shift.

"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.

Are you deluded?

When were black votes diluted? In applying the statute, both the Justice Department (the main player) and the U.S. district court for the District of Columbia initially assumed that only black officeholders could fully represent black voters. Thus, black voters had "an equally effective voice" only when a districting plan contained as many safe black seats as could possibly be drawn. That view produced extremes of racial gerrymandering--the infamous spider-shaped districts-... - Abigail Thernstrom

"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.

So how does this impact the GOP's failures to nominate minorities in GOP safe districts.

I mean did anyone really expect Swann or the Maryland Rep to win in those states - especially with a GOP president with anemic favorables?

Sure, I give the GOP props for getting these guys nominated - I'll be more impressed when I see minorities nominated in races they have a genuine shot at winning.

So how does this impact the GOP's failures to nominate minorities in GOP safe districts.

You basically have taken up the old DC Supreme Court argument that you can't represent a minority and care enough unless you specifically groom one and then find a district to throw his way. I were a racial minority, I would find that assumption insulting at best. Perhaps, dare I say it?, even racist.

"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.

Your argument has nothing to do with my point whatsoever.

Why?

Because the minority candidate in the GOP safe district does not have to be "groomed" to represent the district. He or she just have to support policies and have the qualifications for office.

The grooming you refer to is for minority based districts.

The fact is, most blacks and latinos aren't Republicans to begin with. It's pretty sad too, considering it was the Democrats that opposed ending slavery and it was the Democrats that opposed equal civil rights for blacks. But of course you NEVER hear about that in the press, do you?

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All of that's true, but when the South became a Republican stronghold, many black voters became suspicious (or more suspicious) of the party. The statistics regarding the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act provide one example why this happened:

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

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Yes they were - but then the Republicans came into power and dominated Southern politics and the old Southern Democratic party slowly died out. Thus the Southern GOP came to represent the bad old days.

Then there was the powerful story of Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) who reinvented himself - or had a spiritual conversion - from a pro-segregation politician to one endorsed by the NAACP.

Meanwhile, Northern Democratic ideals came to represent the mainstream of the party just as a blacks were undergoing as massive resettlement to the northern states.

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

the presidential level. These stats bear witness to this- one Senator and 10 Reps!

Alas, on the presidential level (St Pure Conservative) Barry Goldwater completely reversed the 1950's revival of the GOP among black voters because of his opposition to the Act. (32% voted for Ike in 1956)

The suspicion is a product of geography - the Segregation and the Civil Rights marches were primarily Southern events. So whatever party came to represent the Southern (white) majority was going to be looked at with suspicion. From the 1970's onward, the Democratic Party was more accomodating of black issues, and this solidified/justified their skepticism.

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

just from the 2006 cycle, R's had Lynn Swann, Michael Steele, and Ken Blackwell running for gov/sen. Not because they were black, but because the R's thought they'd do the best job.

The combined ratio is in the high 20's.

And because of race-conscious district drawing, it's hard for minority Rs to win. They run in CBC districts often and lose badly.

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"Republicans have...and 4 latinos in a country that is about 40% black/latino."

Your numbers sounds low. What is your source?

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

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The republicans nominated Lynn Swann for governor of Pennsylvania. In the general, most republicans voted for Swann. But most democrats voted against him. Lynn Swann isn't the governor because of democrats.

Hence, democrats are racist!

The republicans nominated Michael Steele for Senate in Maryland. In the general, most republicans voted for Steele. But most democrats voted against him. Steele isn't the Senator because of democrats.

Hence, even more evidence that democrats are racist.

Yes, I know it's absurd, but using your logic, this is where I can go.

an African American, R or D, because of skin color, but Governor Rendell charged that 5% of the Pennsylvania electorate in 2006 would not vote for Lynn Swann because of his race. He charged that these people were all white conservatives.

He's telling people, in essence, not to bother voting for Obama in the primary because the racists are going to stop him anyway. He said that he, Rendell, was able to secure the votes of the white conservative racists while Obama could not.

I supposed this is just Ed being Ed, saying goofy stuff without thinking, but when he starts devising racial theories is when we should turn up the light on him.

However, he seems pretty genuine to me. A perfectly genuine liberal - at least on the few policy positions he has staked out.

What has he said or done that makes you think he is not genuine?

Barack Obama is singlehandedly the luckiest human being in politics. Joe Biden is a better candidate than him, not just on the merits, but in terms of policy and experience. But the cruel lesson of American politics is that people don't understand how and why Barack Obama came to be in the U.S. Senate in the first place. My sincere belief is that he would still be a member of the Illinois legislature if it hadn't been for the fact that he walked through the door of the biggest political opportunity in history in Illinois.

He's an utter neophyte who has been stage managed from the instant his campaign was conceived.

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But nothing you said demonstrates that he is not genuine.

Inexperienced? yes

Lucky? yes

Not genuine? I don't see it.

I mean genuine in the sense of politics, not necessarily his personality: he's going to be very genuine in his role. He reminds me very pointedly of the cult of personality that a lot of 60's gurus could assemble around themselves. They were very genuine in doing so. He genuinely creates an almost transcendent sense of blind faith among his acolytes. Talk to one of them sometime: it's like hanging out at the Esalen Institute. But even manufactured things can be genuine if they're carefully managed, and Barack has the best and most expensive advice in the world. He's tapping into a longing that a lot of secular liberals have for something and someone to believe in. That was by design, and it's very genuine.

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That genuine belief is going to translate directly into Statism.

It wasn't until recently that I started doubting that Bill Clinton was in fact the best politician in the world. He's been knocked off his throne because Barack Obama is appealing to a religiosity that Clinton could never quite achieve. Times have changed and a lot of liberals in this country are looking for some place to put their faith. They cannot go to organized religion, because that has been thoroughly discredited and marginalized and turned into an emblem of imbecility. But human beings need belief, and Obama is the lightning rod for all that pent-up messianic fervor.

That I think if he gets the Democratic nomination he's going to be very difficult to beat, simply because of the quasi-mystical fervor that his handlers have built around him. It's the closest thing to a mass hallucination that I've ever witnessed -- the dot com boom included, Bill Clinton included, everything.

Barack Obama is almost Godlike, even from the look of his website. And secular liberals need God, like everyone else, but their God is this man.

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in the 1960's. JFK (largely because he was assassinated)was and still is viewed as an almost Messianic figure. If you look what he actually did as President, not so much. Yet the myth is what is remembered. I think if Obama gets the nomination, he's going to be very difficult to beat. People are going to ignore the facts and continue to project their every fantasy on that blank canvas. Once he's president, however, reality is going to bite. I still look at Sen. Obama and see a black Jimmy Carter.

I think you're over-reacting a bit here.

I don't think there is anything close to a mass halucination going on here. The Dems have simply found a person who is smart, electable and who does come across as a windbag (Gore), a flip flopper (Kerry), or scoundrel (Clinton).

I would call it a bit irrationally exuberant. However, given the BDSyndrome that has infected many on the left it is not surprising they are doubly motivated to get the White House back.

Godlike? Hardly.

I'm certainly no fan of Gov. Rendell. However, this is another example of the media trying to sway an election.

The black vote in PA is big. If the media can get much-loved Gov. Rendell (at least loved by the Phila and Pittsburgh areas), to look like he's bashing blacks, then the cities will come out in full force for Sen. Obama.

The media is choosing candidates - again.

did not have to try to maked Governor Ed "look like he's bashing blacks." He offered that wisdumb of his own volition. He does these things all the time, and we must not fault the press for reporting it.