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Based on this article - found by Constant Reader ggross56 - and assuming that the Obama campaign is only moments away from announcing that no, really, their guy thought that Israel has a right to exist all along - I have a question: if Senator Obama doesn't listen to his pastor when it comes to theology, and he doesn't listen to his pastor when it comes to politics, then just why did he join that church in the first place? Do they have a nice pool?
And if so, does his pastor let Senator Obama go into the water up to his waist?
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it's true that Israel is a huge issue for Jews, but you would also be surprised how socially liberal most Jews are. My dad, for instance, refused to vote for Bush in 2004 because of abortion even though Bush was by far more Israel friendly than Kerry. The Jewish vote is not as monolithic as that.
What I see here is the so called drip factor. Newt said last night that this scandal needs to end in three more weeks. The more things come out the longer it goes the more drips he has. Remember, there are still the issues of Meeks, Ayres and Rezko out there.
Can you imagine if at the end of April as this is finally dying down, if something explosive came out regarding Rezko at the trial, or if the media actually looked at Ayres?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
however Bush will challenge any leader anywhere in the world at anytime for being pro Israel. Still, that wasn't enough to sustain the Jewish vote. All I am saying is that the Jewish vote is not as transparent as you guys make it. Look, it isn't going to matter. The Dems will be committing political suicide either way. If Hillary steals the election, they will have a civil war. If Obama runs, he will have so much baggage his own family will decide not to vote for him.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
Maybe New Jersey too. Obama will win the Jewish vote against McCain, but not by the margins a Democratic candidate should.
“One element in the strength of any government is the patriotism of the people, their love for its institutions, their pride for its name and achievements.” ~ William McKinley
Jews are extremely liberal on issues of sociology like abortion and women's rights.
Heck, many of the early feminists were of Jewish descent.
But that cohort of Jewish feminists fits much better into Hillary's camp than Obama's camp.
On the issue of black-white race relations, Jews had some real wake-up calls like the Crown Heights riots in 1991, Jesse Jackson's "Hymietown" remarks, Louis Farrakhan, etc.
There is a chain of association from Obama to Rev. Wright to Farrakhan that makes many American Jews uncomfortable, as even some Democratic leaders are admitting to reporters these days.
Black anti-Semitism is a bigger issue for American Jews than Israel is, in fact.
If TUCC has a pool, did Pastor Wright let Sen. Obama walk on water?
Just kidding. These days, it's more like he's treading water...and not doing that terribly well, either.
It seems to me that the person who is sitty awfully pretty right now is John Edwards. As I understand it, even if everyone who thinks Israel does has a right to exist turns on Obama Hillary still has a math problem--but Edwards still has his delegates and could solve it.
Interesting.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59930
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...for weeks now, but nothing has materialized. I would think Edwards would go to Obama, but who knows.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
then just why did he join that church in the first place?
I couldn't have said it better myself? If I did not agree with the political views or theological views, I would find another place of worship.
But in the days of my yute, there were some churches I went to because I was chasing skirt.
And if someone asked me "Did you *REALLY* go to church X where Y goes on, Z goes on, and sometimes Aelph goes on?!?", I could only say "Dude, that chick was hottt. With three 't's."
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Second, he is no longer in his youth, or single.
Think about this contrast. On the Republican side, we have a war hero who spent six years of his life being tortured for his country. Here is an individual who has spent his entire adult life in public service of that country.
On the other side, we have an individual so weak that he can't even leave his church even though the pastor his pastor is virulently anti American.
This race looks very good for our side...
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
I honestly don't know.
I'm still trying to figure out if Obama would be Reagan or if he'd be McGovern.
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Reagan. Now that this has broken, I think he's starting to look more like what's-his-name who lost the primary to Mondale.
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I remember how the polls swung back and forth in 1980.
You may be surprised to know that for much of that year, the polls showed Reagan and Carter fairly evenly matched. Voters hated Carter, but they had real doubts about Reagan's doctrinaire conservatism too.
Reagan only "closed the sale" with Americans in his debates with Carter in October 1980. That's when he finally convinced Americans that a) he wasn't an ideological threat; and b) he seemed a genuinely decent, caring guy.
From the conventions through the October debates, Obama can either create a whole favorable impression of himself for the vast majority of voters (as Reagan did), or he can reinforce these negative perceptions (as Mondale and Kerry did). It's up to him.
....has potential to be worse for Obama than Rev. Wright.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
The reason Wright is such a problem is because they are so close. Ayres will be another drip. It will go to reinforce what people conclude based on Wright. It will be another example of Obama's actions being totally opposite of his eloquent words. His problem now is that he has hitched his wagon to an intangible concept, hope, change, and unity. Those are easy things to dispute by finding examples of the opposite.
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Moe
To directly answer your question, it's the famous pot luck dinners that the church holds that attracted Mr. Obama.
Contrary to what you may have heard, he did not join this church because he wanted authentic ties to the African American community, or because it would help his political future.
Nope, it was a South Side of Chicago famous pot luck dinners.
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I won't know, and I wouldn't engage in that sort of Obamaish stereotyping.
But there has to be a rational explanation, and I tend to think he can only be something like the Pot Lucks.
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Barrack wanted to be a political organizer. He wanted to build a confederation of churches but was running into trouble. See: http://pundita.blogspot.com/2008/03/barack-obamas-race-speech-is-knowled...
From [Jeremiah] Wright and others, Obama learned that part of his problem as [political] organizer was that he was trying to build a confederation of churches but wasn't showing up in the pews on Sunday. When pastors asked him the inevitable questions about his own spiritual life, Obama would duck them uncomfortably.
A Reverend Philips put the problem to him squarely when he learned that Obama didn't attend services. "It might help your mission if you had a church home," he told Obama. "It doesn't matter where, really. What you're asking from pastors requires us to set aside some of our more priestly concerns in favor of prophesy. That requires a good deal of faith on our part. It makes us want to know just where you're getting yours from."
After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright's church...
To think Obama joined Wright's church to find salvation is to misunderstand his motives. For a Christian, this Q&A between Rev. Wright and a news organization will be revealing or an unusual exchange. For those who aren't, read the whole post.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jeremiah-wright-on-mentoring-barack-o...
Q: He knew you a long time before he responded to an altar call. What do you think moved him to do that?
WRIGHT: I don’t know. I would like to — somebody said last week did you ever think one of your sermons would be used as a mantra in a Democratic convention speech and a title to a book of a presidential candidate? No, I did not.
When you think of your church you don't think of politics. If your like me you think of a house of worship and a place where you can intimately express your devotion to your Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
I know in the beginning you are looking for answers and for that reason are not faulted for attending church. But a church's goal is to save one's soul by bring people to Christ. By answering some of those questions as to why you should accept Jesus as your savior. So no one should be against somebody eventually accepting Jesus no matter what their reasons for attending church was in the beginning.
But in Obama's case, he joined his church, not out of curiosity but out of political necessity.
...gave us the best president of all time. While moral character is fair game where it relates to one's religious affiliations, it shouldn't be a litmus test. We don't need a federal policy on religion other than the one already enshrined in the first amendment and we shouldn't accept or reject those based solely on their church, even if their preacher is a bit divisive to some. I went to a Lutheran church in Wisconsin (for a wedding) and the congregants were wonderful people overall. Some of their literature denounced Jehovah's Witnesses as being misguided and confused and, while I am not a JW, I found it a bit offensive. I didn't castigate the entire church or it's congregation. The guilt by association aspect of this story seems to be a bit of a stretch. I think McCain can win handily without this angle, because when it boils down to it, Americans will always pick the person they think will make them feel safe, over the person they think will make them feel good.
You went to a church for a wedding. BHO went to this church as a congregant for 20 years, and held it up proudly a little while back, proclaiming that "I'm no muslim. I'm a church-going Christian."
And now he wants us to believe he went, but he didn't inhale.
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...was to illucidate the fact that you can like most things about people but find somethings about them abhorrent. Perhaps he derived more faith from his denomination and his fellow attendees than he might have from the preacher, who is just a flawed human being anyway. Who knows. I guess I just don't want to lose focus over what people will and will not vote for, and I doubt people will vote for McCain based on this issue. Regardless, we can hear Obama on the morning talk shows November 12th 2008 explaining why he lost in such a dramatic fashion.
"...he went, but he didn't inhale." That was pretty freaking funny.
One of the other good lines I read somewhere was the Obama was there, but he slept through some of the sermons.
You know, like nodding off in a boring meeting:
Sunny Sunday morning Check
Long week just past Check
Nice soothing music Check
Peaceful Sermon Whoopsie
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The church you showed up to once "denounced JWs". JW is a religious sect that numerous Christian denominations have serious theological issues with. A case can be made that they are not a "Christian" denomination. (NOTE: I will take neither side of this issue, I'm simply noting a fact.)
Wright's pronouncements are not theological, they are 100% political. They are not challenging the fundimental beliefs of a religious sect, they are declaring that our country is inherently racist. He is not exhorting his congregation to follow the message of Christ, he is damning his country.
I'm amazed that you have a problem seeing the difference.
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Hillary still is obviously the easier candidate to beat. Virginia, NM, and Iowa look very problematic even after the Wright news.
New Mexico
Obama 51%
McCain 45%
Wisconsin
Obama 48%
McCain 44%
Washington
Obama 52%
McCain 41%
Oregon
Obama 50%
McCain 41%
New York
Obama 52%
McCain 44%
Kansas
McCain 51%
Obama 39%
Iowa
Obama 50%
McCain 44%
California
Obama 54%
McCain 40%
Alabama
McCain 62%
Obama 35%
Virginia
Obama 48%
McCain 47%
Minnesota
McCain 47%
Obama 46%
Massachusettes
Obama 47%
McCain 47%
For meaningful polls to reflect this. We poli-hogs have wallowed in it for a week, but most people won't comprehend it for a month.
That just proves that these polls are junk. The only other possibility is that MA has seen the future in Deval Patrick. Obama stole his whole campaign theme from Patrick. They both young affable charismatic black guys with the same message. The only difference being that Patrick has had time to govern and prove how badly he sucks.
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from WND that is linked in your link (I know say that five times and also such is the wonders of the net)That article is lnked to another one in which it explores the views of one of his closest foreign policy advisors who wants to sit down with Hamas. How will that revelation play on the trail?
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