SC Open Thread Part II
Since we're nearing 200 comments on the first one
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Official results will be here. Map will be here. Exit polls are here.
I still want to be Michael Barone when I grow up.
Rock em sock em.
[UPDATE]: Still too close to call - McCain 33% to Huckabee 30% with 60% reporting. That said, knowing SC a bit from when I grew up there, Huckabee is underperforming in a few key areas, and I predict a narrow McCain win.
Something interesting from the exit polling of age differences: Huckabee wins 18-29 and 30-44 by a 5 percent and 11 point margin respectively. But a full 35% of the vote was from 60+ voters - who went for McCain at a 41% pace, a 17 point margin over Huckabee. Assuming McCain wins, it's going to be with the older moderate voters who did it. I'd love to see crosstabs on this.
Oh, and a big thanks to Martha MacCallum for the kind FNC mention. :)
[UPDATE]: I think this one's Johnny Mac's (and right after I typed this, the AP and FNC called it). Huckabee may close it up a bit more (it's about a 14k margin at the moment), but this one's basically going to end up where Mason-Dixon put it a week ago. On to Florida!
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I think of all the time I've wasted in life not being more like him. He has such a wealth of knowledge, and is so congenial in his presentation.
Barone for president?
I'm going to say Huckabee by the end of the night.
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I was brought up to believe that how I saw myself was more important than how others saw me. (Anwar al-Sadat, President of Egypt, 1970-1981)
Because frankly his media shills will be blasting out of the gates if he wins, telling us how he is now the presumptive front runner, and they will be smiling the entire time.
This fact will remain lost on McCain's supporters all the while.
McCain has South Carolina wrapped up. Makes his decision to concentrate on Nevada a stroke of genus instead of fighting it out in South Carolina.
Check out the advice I suggested for Romney on the evening of the Iowa caucus (January 3, 2008). It was a stroke of genus if I say so myself.
I'm at the edge of my seat, but like my candidate, I'm superstitious. I won't call it until the networks do. Oh, but I'm so darn excited!!!! Come on SC! Show us some love!
Thats how I felt in Michigan, I wanted to wait for the votes to be counted. Even when they called it, I stay up to make darn sure it wasn't wrong.
telling us that even before McCain wins he is the money bet to be the front runner, even right this moment.
LOL.. There you go McCain supporters, Juan Williams is your guy ! HAHAHA...
G-d I hope McCain loses or we will have Juan Williams blushing over him for the next 9 months...
What should these reporters do to please you?
Well, technically John McCain won tonight, but since we don't want to appear biased, we're calling everyone the front-runner.
absentee
Why should McCain supporters be ashamed of that? Williams is a moderate-liberal, true, but he's one of the few fair minded and honest journalists in the market. He was one of the ONLY prominent black journalists to defend Clarance Thomas during his SC confirmation, and actually going even further back then that to his battles at the EEOC.
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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
race hustler. That's why Brit hired him. Brit interviewed Juan several years ago and discussed all that in detail. Juan's cool
see his book "Enough"?
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....is the engaging, witty, thoughtful guy that so many Republicans were calling for last year.
That pretty much ruined his momentum in the media. I like his ideas, but I think he never would have won a general election.
has been watching my fellow conservative's get so incredibly caught up in the MSM horse race aspect of all this. For whatever reason, we have allowed the polls to BE the story. Never thought I'd see that on our side of the political spectrum.
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
heard laughing at the end of Fred's speech. Pathetic disprespect.
Olberman who was laughing? Is there a video of MSNBC people laughing? I wonder if someone could post it. If this is true we need to certainly make the management of MSNBC know our outrage. I can guarantee that if a conservative journalist (and I used the term loosely when applied to Olbermann) were to laugh publicly, or even overtly, at Hillary or God Forbid Obama, you can be certain that the journalist would be relieved or at the least reprimanded harshly.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-- John Adams
but MSNBC should apologize for that, it was disgusting. The only reason I watch MSNBC over Fox is because I get a better clear picture on MSNBC for some reason, and fox news its blurry. KO is a scumbag.
They're just indecent morons.
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Yeah, I know the realities...but I would still love to see hum third.
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Been reading conflicting assessments all day long. First it's Huck winning, then McCain, then Huck again, McCain, no.. Huck, no, wrong again.. McCain. At some point it got overly redundant, so I just read some of the Nevada returns and saw Romney winning big (at least 18 of the delegates at large there at last count), and felt good about his chances of keeping the Reagan Coalition together. At last count I believe he will have close to 60 or more delegates going into the Florida contest. With an endorsement from Jeb Bush, he should be in good shape.
As for South Carolina, I'm reading that many more Evangelicals voted than was expected. This could result in a Huckabee upset of McCain. Right now it just depends on the Vet and Absentee votes. I'm going to put aside a prediction on this one for now as the counting will go late into the night. Could be either McCain or Huckabee by a nose when all is said and done.
Romney will finish a respectable 3rd, which was his goal as he invested more effort in the larger prize, Nevada. I'm still scratching my head why South Carolina was more of a media focus and I believe it is because of A) the showdown between McCain and Huckabee and, B) the fact that SC was McCain's Waterloo in 2000.
Despite the South Carolina outcome, the delegates from that contest will end up pretty evenly split between McCain and Huckabee, still leaving Romney with the edge over both.
Go Mitt!
"I'm still scratching my head why South Carolina was more of a media focus"
Because it has McCain with a real shot of winning it and because Nevada has Romney uncontested.
I mean, doesn't that just speak for itself? Just turn to MSNBC right now, just watch the love for McCain.
It's all out there in the open for everyone to see.
I expect it to be a 5% win for McCain at the end of the day.
Hopefully Huckabee can still compete in Florida.
The strategy is for Romney to get into a feud with McCain and Rudy, and for Huckabee to go straight through the middle.
and that Huckabee got votes from upstate where they voted late and were not part of the exit polls. Even with the lead in returns, McCain is not getting the call from any news outlet, because exit polls show a closer race than what is being reported.
Sure I hope McCain loses, but there is nothing apparently in the know that shows he will win at this point.
Fox is saying that it's closer than it looks - so I'm still holding my breath. But I am hoping Fred comes in 3rd - keep Mitt Headroom off the medal podium.
Didn't think of it that way, john_stewart_is_a_tool. You're right, of course. Not just with your analysis, but also with your profile name as well.
Love it!
I personally would love to see McCain go down to defeat tonight. He has done more to hurt the GOP and especially Social Conservatives than any Democrat.
It would be an understatement to say that I loathe him, so instead I will just say that he will never - under any circumstances - get my vote.
Look at teh exit poll results. McCain is winning self-identified liberals and independents big. McCain is losing conservatives again.
He's winning among independents and it's a tossup among republicans.
He's winning among moderates, but in self-identified conservatives he is beating Romney and Thompson by large margins. Among "somewhat conservatives" he also leads.
But this is a good thing for McCain: those indepents who went to the polls today prefered to vote for him than for Obama (or HRC) next week, in the Dems primaries. Do you think they'll vote for any other GOP candidate in November? Or do you believe we can win without the independent and moderate vote?
WHAT-EV-ER!
Gee, will McCain win the election without Republican votes? I think he can get all the Moderate (squishy jello people) that are out there and then grab all the extra Independents (closet Libs) and still LOSE BIG because the base of the GOP can't stand him.
Still, if he wins tonight it is a big win for him from a media hype standpoint. That I will grant you and little else.
this is just one night in a long race.... no need to get too worked up.
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Yah, because such a gigantic portion of the hardcore conservatives are going to vote Constitution party, right?
Because that's totally happened before. And there are so many indications that it'll happen again.
/sarcasm
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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
If you win with a non-conservative? What have you won?
Both McCain and Huckabee are disasters...
Mitt is not much better. Neither is Rudy...
I was hoping for a significant upgrade to Bush. Bush has been good on foriegn policy, but he has also been abysmal on domestic policy...
I guess a Bush upgrade will not be in the cards...
It reminds me of upgrading to Vista from XP... Disappointing...
I'm a Romney supporter myself but I'll be upfront in saying if Fred had come onto this much sooner I'd have been supporting him, because in terms of 100% true conservative Fred Thompson really is the only one.
The 2008 election has someone allowed some in the GOP to show their true colors, and by that I mean selling out of conservative principles. The GOP used to stand for some of the limited govt. principles Fred preaches about but now they've sold out, they sold us out on Immigration, Nation-Building, Global Warming, heck they're even backtracking on Gun Right's now! the one thing we thought was still safe it's gone.
I've already decided if Rudy or Romney can't win the nomination then I'm voting for Hillary or Obama, I'd much rather have a Dem at the wheel to blame for when everything hits the fan than a Republican. I
The election is just not worth winning if you sell out your principles just to win then you stand for nothing.
I'm a Romney supporter myself but I'll be upfront in saying if Fred had come onto this much sooner I'd have been supporting him, because in terms of 100% true conservative Fred Thompson really is the only one.
The 2008 election has allowed some in the GOP to show their true colors, and by that I mean selling out of conservative principles. The GOP used to stand for some of the limited govt. principles Fred preaches about but now they've sold out, they sold us out on Immigration, Nation-Building, Global Warming, heck they're even backtracking on Gun Right's now! the one thing we thought was still safe it's gone.
I've already decided if Rudy or Romney can't win the nomination then I'm voting for Hillary or Obama, I'd much rather have a Dem at the wheel to blame for when everything hits the fan than a Republican. I
The election is just not worth winning if you sell out your principles just to win then you stand for nothing.
Okay... I guess I can understand a few of your points early on, but you completely threw yourself and lost any credibility with that last statement.
You would vote for Hillary or Obama if one of your guys can't win the nomination?
Granted, I won't vote for McCain under any circumstances. That doesn't mean I'm going to cast my principles to the wind and vote for a Democrat.
Maybe if Joe Liberman or Zell Miller were the Democrats, then OKAY, but not that current bunch.
Just don't vote if that is your opinion. That would be my route.
The problem is, if we allow either of these people to gain the nomination, the principles for which the Republican Party has stood are dead.
Having either of them in the White House would give credibility to the RINO faction of the party. Why should we allow a Republican in name only to dictate our policies for the next four years such that our party is then a moderate party and becomes even more like the Democrat Party? Why not just elect the Democrat who we know will be that way than allow a Republican to deceive us and destroy our party as well?
Not voting will cause other Republicans for other offices to go down as well. Vote Democrat for President, I cannot believe I am saying that, and then vote conservative for Senator and Congress, and Governor and Legislature. We will have a check on liberalism. But, if we elect McCain or Huckabee, the Republicans in Congress will go along with them and we are really in trouble. We will be led by people like Lindsay Graham who sell out the party and allow the appointment of liberal judges while stopping the appointment of conservative judges. Also, we will have amnesty under them, but I do not think a Republican Congress would go along with amnesty if we did not have a Republican President to push it, like McCain or Huckabee.
I have never voted Democrat for President, but I am considering it if these two bozos are nominated.
And to Fred Barns who on FOX tonight said that eventually we will all be happy with whomever the nominee is, well I got bad news buddy, Haley and I hear simply will not be voting for that candidate if his name is McCain.
I hope this is not lost on the next few states. McCain will lose the election in all likelihood, and if he doesn't he will destroy the bar for conservatives running for President, the media will forever compare future republican candidates to their beloved President McCain.
Bless you!!!
I am so happy to see someone else on RS posting such comments. There have been so many on here lately putting out arguments like "We need to beat Hillary" and other such nonsense that I've started to wonder if principle has been trumped by uninformed rationalizations.
Why in the world would America's only CONSERVATIVE party nominate a man who holds such disdain for his party's core supporters? If you want a sure fired recipe to lose (not just to HRC but to anyone) then you go ahead and make such a pick.
I won't be joining you and neither will john_stewart_is_a_tool and many, many more like us.
for McCain, there are 2 independents who will. He will win the election.
I will never vote for Romney. I would sooner vote for Bloomberg.
There's nothing more Republicans can ask. This is a system designed, built, and executed by Republicans.
Factions who don't like that? I have a post coming :-)
Sooner vote for Bloomberg? He is more liberal than Hillary or Obama. Look at his record in New York. He wants all guns confiscated. The Second Amendment would go by the wayside.
Romney is the only sincere candidate, now that Thompson is really out of it.
He stood up and told us he has made mistakes and he changed after studying those issues. It takes a big man, particularly in politics to stand up and say they were wrong.
McCain tells us since he was 17 and joined the military, his views have been set. That scares me. Someone who cannot change their opinion is dangerous. All of us are wrong on something and no one is perfect, only our Savior. For a person to act like McCain, is dangerous. The same with Huckabee. He is right because he would be our reverend in chief. He is a Christian and must save America for Christ. I do not disagree with that, but the way he has done it, in a nonchristian manner, makes him worse than a nonbeliever.
What is your problems with Romney?
Lay it out instead of just being negative about him.
The big problem I see with Romney is he's close to a carbon copy of Lincoln Chafee. Chummy with the Planned Parenthood folks. New England rich guy. Out of touch with folks in flyover country. How am I wrong on this one?
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
that you don't know either of these guys particularly well. Regardless of how non-conservative you think Romney might be, Chafee makes him look like a cross between Jesse Helms and Phil Gramm.
Linc Chafee as a Democrat would have been a moderate-liberal - Romney at his most liberal was still a moderate Republican.
BTW, how out of touch did the folks in Michigan seem to think Romney was? Does that qualify as "fly-over country"?
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same counties Huck is winning. (In other words the most conservative counties) May be an indication that Huck and Fred really have been splitting up some votes.
Huckabee has single handedly screwed up Thompson's run...w/out huckabee Thompson would have gotten those evangelical votes b/c he got the NRT endorsement.
This looks right about over.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
You wanted to be like MicHael Barone!
HAHA.. Nice!
I disagree with you, TSquared on two things about Bush's domestic policies.
Where W has been terrific is on 3 issues close to my heart; 1)Tax Cuts, 2)Judges and 3)Abortion.
Say what you will about illegal immigration and even No Child Left Behind. I would likely agree with you on those points but on everything else that matters, Bush has been pretty solid.
Good points... However... But taking those position was pretty much a given. You can't call yourself a Republican or Conservative and do otherwise...
One the other hand - more divisive issues - especially illegal immigration - would take some real guts to stick up for the conservative position. Politically you risk alienating a large voting bloc. When we needed guts... It was there with Bush.
Also... You forgot Campaign Finance Reform... A disaster for the 1st ammendment.
You say that those issues were pretty much a given, but do you believe that we would have gotten Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS if McCain had won in 2000 or 2004 and not Bush?
Also, with a President McCain there would have been no tax cuts to stimulate the economy. It's quite possible that Napoleon Complex McCain would have raised taxes.
I wouldn't call anything until we start seeing Greenville County who have zero percent showing at this time and Huckabee is winning the suburbs big.
However, I am a bit tired of all the different elements of Republican part bickering among themselves. If McCain wins So Carolina he won it with hard work and because voters thought he is our best nominee; he didn't win it cause of liberals.
Ben Domenech shoots! He Scoooooores on Fox News Channel.
The "Third Worst Person in the World" and aiming higher.
for RedState and for you. Congratulations.
I hope the influence of this site you've helped create continues to grow.
I'm not seeing that info anywhere else?
Can anyone find substantiation?
Results so far, per NYT, are 34.8 McCain, 29.1 Huck, 15.1 Fred, 14.7 Mitt
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/SC.html
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and has McCain at 35% so far...
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I am watching NYTimes page too cause it shows different counties which I like
Interesting to note almost all of Charlestown is in (McCain won big) yet zero percent for Greenville (Hucakbee will win big here)
CNN has this one really close something big came in for Huckabee and has Huckabee within 3%. But with total votes in McCain is crushing Huckabee 69K-61K.
With 49% in McCain leads 34-29% according to CNN.com
According to Michael Barone... on FOX.
Scary.. Let's go Mike.
It shows McCain 33, Huck 30, Thompson 16 and Romney 15.
Still a lot to go and YES, it does appear many areas of McCain's support have come in but not much of Huck's areas of support.
Could be a night of nail bitting for both McCain and Huck's camps.
We really would like to see McCain lose.
Good point on FOX. Mitt left and his votes mostly went to McCain. He's still better winning Nevada. War of delagate attrition.
Yup with 47% in McCain actually leads by couple 100 votes in Greenville and with that said McCain will win.
McCain wins!
Yea they are close. Not good news for Huckabee who should have wiped the slate clean thought in Greenville there is only 46% in. But the trend is close.
McCain with his immigration plan.
It is not 2000, different demographics.
Thats not true McCain is winning big in Columbia and not a lot of those areas have come in. Most of the upper part of state has come in as has coast areas. A lot of the inner parts of the state are not in yet and McCain is winning here
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Protect the borders
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such bright, enthusiastic exemplars of modern conservatives to post here at RedState?
Relax, guys. Wallace enjoys reporting on the odd, give-and-take scenarios in politics. He's not gloating that your guy lost. (My guy is losing in SC, but he received as many Republican delegates in Nevada as did Mitt Romney: ZERO.)
What would have happened had Huckabee not Huckaboomed? (That's a lot of H's.)
i don't own a television, but for primary election coverage, it's hard not to have the talking heads in front of me...
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"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
McCain's lead of approx. 10,000 votes seems to be holding - still not calling it, but fingers are crossed!!!
The longer it takes, the better his chances I should think.
And look who finishes 1-2, cornering 73% of the vote.
Dude, move down to Texas.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
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Hunter and Thompson and neither had any decent press.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
I don't know about him, but that is over the top.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
Have no idea about BOFH... My apologies sir...
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
and easily figure out who is conservative and who is not among the candidates.
McCain and Huckabee in that field? No, SC is not what I thought it was. Maybe it's all the snowbirds and crossovers...
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Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
for 2 weeks. McCain had wrapped up a large % due to Fred getting in too late, and then Fred had to face 4 other candidates. SC can't decide who runs. Huckabee is conservative on some key issues for a not small segment and had a pulse. Crowded field. kitchen sink....
more later
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My prediction that SC evangelicals would not follow Iowa's lead is born out by the exit polls. Huck's % is down by 10-20% in SC.
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one on one between two candidates, and they chose the Reagan over Bush 41, Bush 41 over Pat Buchanan, I forgot who Dole beat, and Bush43 over McCain. They chose the most conservative.
With 5 candidates, it was a blur and Huck and Mitt visited the state starting a year ago and wrapped up people with conservative messages. Huck's speeches here in early 2007 and even in 2006 were devoid of much of his late 2007 stuff. There were no negative ads against Huck or McCain.
McCain had some issues as did Huck. The former, the war. This is a MAJOR issue. Huck had the Life issue and both he and McCain ran tv ads on illegal immigration that Tancredo would be proud of.
So, its not attendance, its familiarity and late press coverage re inevitability and electability.
Fred didn't git er done in the Dick Morris-Bill Clinton new world of the permanent campaign.
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Still no numbers from Myrtle Beach? I'll bet that puts McCain over the top when the votes come in.
65%
McCain has 15,000 vote lead
Call it.
Do these people know how to add?
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
He brings his own brand of snide disdain to whatever he covers. Now they have him polluting the air around McCain. I am a McCain supporter, so I'm probably prejudiced.
I did find it ridiculous that Fox broke away from Fred's speech for an interview with Mitt. Fred's Mom should tell him to keep on running.
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I wonder now if Huckabee is sorry he teamed up with McCain to bring Romney down in New Hampshire.
79%
McCain 116,869
Huckabee 103,636
All hail the new liberal front runner!
Actually, he's not the front runner. He is still far behind Romney in the delegate count.
It's amazing to me how you can be doing so poorly with actual Republican voters and yet still be crowned the leader by the leftist media.
Gee... I wonder who THEY want to win the GOP nomination?
Sorry McCain supporters and trolls, your guy is a L-I-B-E-R-A-L.
Say it together now with clasped hands and form a support group.
I see a red door and I want to paint it purple,
no color anymore, I want to paint it purple!
Lord please look after America, please let her see the value of conservative federalism before it's too late. In your name amen. Oh yeah, Lord, I hate purple! Thanks again
Tim Schieferecke
I have waited eight years for this moment. In 2000, South Carolina broke my heart – rejecting a candidate I thought would be an exciting and dynamic president in favor of someone I found…well, lets just say not very inspiring. But who says you don’t get second chances in life? There are many battles yet to be fought before the nomination is won, but for now I see McCain as having the inside track. He goes now to FL – my state – where I have already cast my ballot for him – and then to Super Duper Tuesday where the national polls WILL matter. Tonight, I am constantly playing McCain’s theme song from SC eight years ago – it seems even more apt now than then.
We’ve come a long, long way together
Through the bad times and the good
I’ve got to celebrate you baby
I’ve got to praise you like I should
Inspiring?
Have you gotten out much in the last eight years or have you stayed in a closet, sucking your thumb waiting for Johnny Mac to ride back onto the scene?
For the record, a piece of dried cardboard is more inspiring than Senator McCain.
If McCain wins the nomination, I think I'll write in "Brutus" in November. Why vote for Johnny-come-lately when you can vote for the original backstabber?
"Why vote for Johnny-come-lately when you can vote for the original backstabber?"
LOVE THAT QUOTE!!!
McCain as frontrunner? That's a laugh! With his record, he has about the same chance as a field goal kicker going for it from the 50 yard line without turning the laces out! LOL
Tim Schieferecke
HAHA.. How's that for the inside track?
Way to be SC. Shut down the Huckster.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
he keeps the value voters cornered and out of reach of Romney. And prevents all the big faith organizations (FRC et al) from coalescing/endorsing Romney. Don't forget Romney's original plan of being the value voters alternative to Rudy. Huckabee blew that plan apart.
Huckabee is useful. And I actually genuinely like the guy.
Congrats McCain!
I strongly believe you are the most electable Republican, will help Republican congressional candidates around country, and help us possibly win some of those purple states.
Its time us Republicans stop the infighting and realize we must be a open tent party and not just be seen as a Southern regional party.
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can hardly be called a big win.
McCain's win in NH was only 6% over Romney. But hey, he's the FRONTRUNNER!
A win is a win, but expect the margin to grow when the numbers from Myrtle Beach come in. Expect McCain to rack up a big win in FL!
McCain is going to be considered the front runner - that will help in FL. He's run up big numbers with the Hispanics - the Cuban leadership is behind him. I don't know how well he'll do in the panhandle, but on the coasts he'll do well also. There are a lot of vets and navy in FL - more good news for him. Huck and Mitt will split the anti-McCain vote - look for Rudy to fade.
and move on to Florida.
Sorry FredHeads, it's all over but the announcement. I for one am saddened that the once Grand Old Party has decided to embrace liberals instead of holding fast to the ideals that we all know work. And more importantly, that are right.
I no longer have a horse in this race. I'm not leaving the party, the party has left me! So long GOP, we knew ye well, or so we thought...
"McCain thinks he’s called the sheriff. Wonder what Teddy calls him? I call him co-conspirator." - beyondrightwing
McCain 2: Rush Bain Limbaugh 0
shilling for Mitt.
Bashing Huckabee and McCain was not really upsetting. That, I could understand. But to call Mitt a conservative?
He lost credibility with me. And I have no qualms about saying it.
If McCain fails to secure the nomination, I'm certain Rush will be happy to let him have the marbles from NH and SC.
Earth to you - winning SC does NOT secure a nomination for the GOP.
Nice try though.
Am I being unfair? Should I tone down my rhetoric? Do you suppose Rush will be fair to McCain if I say I love him?
Well, color me unconcerned.
McCain has endured relentless attacks from Rush. Only by the grace of God (and the Mainstream Media) has McCain survived. Rush is always telling us to beware of the mainstream media. But I can honestly say the MSM has been very fair to McCain and Huckabee. And to that I'm grateful.
Can you honestly say he's been fair to McCain? He has been relentless in his attacks. And why is he giving Mitt a pass for his liberal record? Why won't Rush attack Mitt? That is (the vexing) question.
has had more positive impact on the conservative movement than all of the contributors to RedState taken together 50 times over. I'll take Rush's word over anybody -- including you -- that posts on this site. He's earned it.
McCain? I've lost count of the number of times he has stabbed conservatives in that back and sucked up to his friends in the liberal media. He's the Senator from the Media Party. You say you remember Rush's "attacks" against McCain in 2000? *I* remember 2001, when McCain hijacked the Senate under threat of filibuster to debate HIS pet project of repealing the first amendment, rather than allowing it to consider President Bush's (you know, the ELECTED president?) tax proposals. John McCain acted like a spoiled teenager -- and has made it his mission in life to spike the wheels of conservatives at every turn since then.
Rush doesn't forgive betrayal. Neither do I.
that a majority of Republicans are learning to think for themselves and the ones in South Carolina thought real hard and decided McCain was worthy of the nomination.
There is hope.
PLEASE keep pretending that Rush's listeners don't think for themselves (the old "mind numbed robots" ploy). PLEASE continue to paint the Republican Primary as super-nice, inoffensive John McCain who has never been mean to anybody vs. evil nasty mean-spirited Rush Limbaugh.
I'm BEGGING you, PLEASE keep it up! PLEASE tick off 20 million republican primary voters in the name of John McCain. Maybe you can convince your guy to run an ad campaign based on this premise?
his Congressional record, his votes, his introduced bills, and other factual information. If that is bashing, then negative campaigning will have to be disallowed. Truth be damned (can I say that here?).
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
But why is he ignoring Mitt's liberal Massachuesetts record. Why not go after Mitt with the same zeal. THAT'S my problem with Rush.
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Shouldn't the fact that the main stream media is rooting for McCain sort of clue you in that McCain is a LIBERAL.
Personally I thought his record of knifing the conservative base regularly in the back would have been enough of a hint.
But what do I know, surely your correct, Rush is a nobody and Ronald Reagan was a mere historic footnote.
BTW, if by some nightmare McCain gets the GOP nod, watch the your main stream media sweethearts push McCain overboard.
and have more faith in Rush if he gave all the candidates a fair shot. He has pretty much endorsed Romney. He has overlooked Romney's liberal record.
No thanks.
But I don't get to hear him every day.
For the record Romney doesn't thrill me either, late conservative "conversions" are always suspect to me. Tends to lead to "growing" quickly while in office.
as he could get without violating his "no endorsement" rule. He continually referred to Thompson as the only conservative in the race and played many, many of his debate and campaign clips.
He hasn't been negative toward Romney and has given him props on occasion, but mostly just pointing out that the MSM fawns over McCain and Huckabee while ignoring Romney's wins and momentum.
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
With Fred outa and a McCain nomination on the horizon watch Rush throw his hat in the ring for Romney
"Only by the grace of God (and the Mainstream Media) has McCain survived."
Thanks for helping me out when I was getting a little wobbly. There's a reason for Rush's opinions about McCain, and he is more right than ever about the MSM.
It further strengthens my resolve.
If you are shilling for McCain, you are doing a pretty bad job with the hearts and minds thing.
The good news is;- there are not a lot of McCain haters; he has the highest favorability rating in the race.
The other good news is;- there are 4 viable candidates in the race who split the anyone-but-McCain-vote.
and the media in general shilling for him at every turn?
Why do my liberal parents like him?
Why why why?
Seriously, I don't know if McCain is a liberal, but he is sure as heck not a conservative!
When people use appeal to people he disagrees with as a negative.
Boy, conservative policies with votes from moderates and some liberals. Wouldn't that be a shame?
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
Who died and made you God? On the main issues that have always been considered conservative, McCain has a good record and you all know it. Just because he has different ideas on things like CFR and immigration - these are not traditionally big conservative issues.
On the main issues that have always been considered conservative, McCain has a good record and you all know it.
In a pig's eye.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
And don't forget selling us out on judges with the 'Gang of 14' deal that squandered the real opportunity to stop judicial filibusters.
Yep, that was a real stroke of daring COWARDICE on General Napoleon McCain's part.
Way to take on those issues as the heart of your party.
As for immigration, he's just dead wrong, has been wrong and will continue to be wrong.
immigration? I'd say those are two pretty significant deficits. CFR is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, you know against the oath he took to protect and defend the Constitution. So much for protecting sovereignty with his embrace of the measure to mandate consultation with Mexico before any fence could be met. Top it off with his stance on Cap and Trade, surrender to the U.N. and you've got quite a conservative there.
America stands for bold colors!
Tim Schieferecke
like I have all my 49 years and have watched it turn into a 3rd world nation right before your eyes because our government refuses to uphold the laws then maybe you'd realize just how wrong McCain is on immigration. He says he's learned his lesson and that the border must be closed first, but no one bothers to ask him, "what then, John?" Amnesty, that’s what, or should I say McShamnesty.
If that's a true republican, not to mention the gang of 14, McCain/Fiengold, tax cuts, then maybe one of us is in the wrong party.
“McCain thinks he’s called the sheriff. Wonder what Teddy calls him? I call him co-conspirator.” - beyondrightwing
What we need in a leader is to tell us not what we want to hear, but what we need to hear.
Fred Thompson 2008
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And Roth, it's NOT an exaggeration.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
Thank you for this one. It was a welcome break from the idiocy of the McCain backers who seem to only be for him because he is supposedly the best chance for Republicans to win.
Why vote Republican if we have to vote for him?
1. Destruction of the First Amendment with his campaign finance bill.
2. His leading of the Gang of 14 against conservative judicial nominees, stopping the progress we have sought for years in getting strict constructionists back on the courts. He did this with the help of South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham. He should be defeated too.
3. Amnesty.
4. Opposing the Bush tax cuts and then criticizing others on this issue.
5. Having as one of his greatest supporting, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage Senator Joe Lieberman. Sure, he was better than Ned Lamont, but this guy is no Republican and certainly no conservative.
This is just a beginning, but these are important issues and issues where he is a LIBERAL no matter what you say.
We all have liberal and conservative thoughts on some things, but McCain goes too far in his destruction of conservatism.
Look at Think Progress, getting the liberal media machine geared up to attack.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/
Remember Kos telling Dems to vote for Mitt in Michigan.
McCain is not a liberal, and liberals don't support him.
endorsements from supposedly family values senators?
Answer? He is a washington insider with a lot of favors to cash in. Phil Grahm.
Please, we need fresh ideas and a fresh mind. Mitt, Rudy, I look forward to them ripping McCain's campaign apart in FL.
You should chill out. And, if you will, take a look at McCain's record on life and marriage issues. He was pro-life back in the 80's, not since a few months ago.
than Huckabee because the Fair Tax has exactly zero chance of getting past the drawing board.
What we need in a leader is to tell us not what we want to hear, but what we need to hear.
Fred Thompson 2008
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in trying to stop global warming.
The more I think about it, I am putting Huck above McCain.
Huck supporters are less annoying---yes, this is one is for your Mr. Ed!!!!!!
Well said Sobieski, I'd rather pay higher taxes to the United States than the evil one world government of the socialist U.N.. Oops! all this moral relativism is having a negative effect on me. Neither tax is acceptable.
Tim Schieferecke
The war is coming to Washington. Get ready, Abramoffs of this world - the war is coming!
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of South Carolina and other States united with her under the compact entitled “The Constitution of the United States of America.”
We, the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by us in convention on the twenty-third day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying amendments of the said Constitution, are hereby repealed; and that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of the “United States of America,” is hereby dissolved.
Done at Charleston the twentieth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty.
I say OK in 2008.
Sam Brownback, Phil Gramm, Ralph Reed, Tom Coburn, Larry Kudlow, Michael Medved, Jeff Flake and John Shadegg are endorsing him.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/endorsements.html#Mccain
McCain '08
About the last thing McCain people need to do here is start mocking Rush.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
I like McCain.
Seriously. Be respectful. A lot of people really like Rush, and for good reason.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
I just don't see why it's fair that Rush can beat up on McCain daily on his show but we can't say anything about him. But I will chill - good point.
You don't see why it's fair that Rush can beat up on McCain?
Are you like eight or ten years old on a playground somewhere crying to the teacher?!?!?
Seriously, GROW UP!
Dude, you just gave yourself away. You are about as CONSERVATIVE as the guy you are praising.
I hope Rush trashes McCain as long and as loud as he can.
Quite telling that you - a McCain supporter - want to silence free speech. Quite telling.
Hey, I was okay with Rush until 2000 when he unloaded on McCain. Never been able to get past that - especially when he started up again this time. There are some conservatives who are not in love with Rush, you know. Strange, but true.
discussed McCain's record in Congress. Does that really relate to "unloading"? Seems the difference is that if he is your candidate, you do not want to hear anything negative about his record. Name anything you heard Rush say that was not true!
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
If McCain does get the nomination, does this mean we're through with him for good in the Senate?
you do not want anyone who Janet Napolitano would nominate to serve in the Senate to be there.
McCain '08
Arizona Revised Statute Section 16-222(C) provides that in the event of a vacancy in the office of a US Senator, the governor must appoint a person of the same political party as the person vacating the office to fill the vacancy until the next general election. In the past, the governor has asked the state party officials to put forth the name(s) of recommended candidates for the appointment. My hope would be that Jeff Flake's name would be the only name put forth.
You're not the only one, but I choose you.
You'd take a democrat? Don't care about pro-life? Pro-defense?
You'd take a democrat. You suggest you care about border security. How so? You'd take a democrat.
Really, these sour grapes posts are just not dealing with the reality.
You'd take a democrat? Then you'd deserve one.
absentee
I am joking of course, but this attitude of any Republican is better than any Democrat will not necessarily carry into the future.
Is Hillary better on foreign policy than Ron Paul?
He didn't say "any" republican though, he was talking about pro-life, pro-Iraq, pro-surge, America loving John McCain, who obviously has enough conservative cred to pull support not only from voters but from a list of luminaries, including a number of senators who walk on water at Redstate.
He said a democrat is better than John McCain any day, and thats nonsense. In which case, he'd deserve what he got.
But to answer your question, yeah definitely better. I'd vote for her. Plus it proves I'd vote for a woman, so there's that too.
absentee
My point is that was not the point.
I was replying to a specific charge, not a general sentiment.
absentee
I probably wouldn't vote for a Democrat over McCain, but it's a legitimate argument that we would be better off with 1 extra democrat senator than an amnesty bill that would transform the make-up of our country, or campaign finance reform that protects incumbent politicians and prevents lesser know candidates from ever having a chance.
At least with a Democrat, we can defeat them in an election.
Further, a newbie democrat can do far less damage than the most powerful senator that consistently brokers deals with the most liberal.
Well, McCain now leap frogs over Huckabee for the delegate count.
Romney 72
McCain 32
Huckabee 27
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#R
It does, but I don't think they counted Nevada correctly, they did it proportionally, and that’s wrong.
Still well behind a real conservative, I see. That is at least good news.
Don't take this as an attack I'd really like to have an educated and informative discussion about this. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the conservatism of mccain. You obviuously feel and state he's a conservative can youvpkease let us know how you have come to that conclusion. I realize he's been good on life. So that's certainly not a quarrel here, buy how do you rationalize his position on campaign reform, judges and immigration.
Again this is not inflamatory, I'd really like to discuss and hear your ideas.
Thanks
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-- John Adams
Don't take this as an attack I'd really like to have an educated and informative discussion about this. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the conservatism of mccain. You obviuously feel and state he's a conservative can youvpkease let us know how you have come to that conclusion. I realize he's been good on life. So that's certainly not a quarrel here, buy how do you rationalize his position on campaign reform, judges and immigration.
Again this is not inflamatory, I'd really like to discuss and hear your ideas.
Thanks
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-- John Adams
Congrats to Senator McCain and the McCainiacs. This is a big, big win.
On to Florida.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Now, the question is, can McCain win where independents and democrats don't vote in Repubican primaries, and I think this is the High Point for McCain.
McCain causes deep divide. He is a fake. He is beloved by the media.
I keep saying this for weeks, but NOBODY here ever explains whythe media likes him?
Hello? Are you McCain people listening? Here's your big shot.
Explain to us why Chris Matthews and Juan Williams LOVE this guy?
They do get along do well as do many of the Democrats.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
letting indies vote. Take all the delegates away. Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.
water down the values of our party with media panderers like this guy.
I question why the GOP allows this to go on.
MA (2/5 - super duper Tuesday) is open. I'm sure it's not the only one.
I know, I know - MA doesn't matter. Just saying.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
is an open primary, since we have no Party registration. The last Rasmussen poll showed that with Hillary as the Dem nominee this would be a swing state and that was before the mud started flying in that race. McCain could win here v. Hillary keep that mind because the Dems need the state's 21 electoral vote.
McCain '08
It's the states' calls.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
FWIW, I agree completely. But the train is going in the other direction - fast - as more and more states adopt the open primary system.
I even wrote about why I think it stinks here among other places - but I really don't think that trend is going to be stopped.
And it sure as heck ain't gonna get stopped in the next 4-years if McCain is the 2008 nominee.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
California *tried* to make all parties be open, but lost in court, and had to give the parties the choice. So now the D primary is open but the R primary is closed. In fact they're all closed except the D and American Independent.
Both primaries are "open" (Indies can vote in any, D's and R's can only vote in their own primary but you can change your affiliation 30-days - I think - before the vote and change it back right after you've voted) by state law. Don't believe it's ever been challenged.
Did CA's open primary law lose in federal or state court?
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
I do remember that it was on first amendment grounds that the parties won, free association and all, so I'm assuming it was federal court. But don't hold me to that :-)
No worries on the details. Your analysis sounds right, so let's just go with that.
Best -
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
If McCain or Huckabee get the republican nomination - I will be voting for the democrat. I don't want the republicans blamed for the chaos McCain, Huckabee or the democrats would cause this country. I know several people that feel the same way. If the republican party can't elect a conservative maybe after 4 years of h l they will be ready to.
"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing" Fred Thompson
Let's do this at your level.
If that's how you 'roll' then adios. Don't let the door hit you. The grownups have work to do. Go play with Obama.
Seriously. Bye.
absentee
McCain.
Be sure of that buddy ;) Afterall McCain is almost as loved by the media as Obama.
What's that? A retort to McCain's media fans? Oh right, we never see that on Red State, because there simply is no answer for that criticism.
See you on Hardball ;)
You have been writing the exact same comment - "I won't vote for McCain! Be scared!" - all night. In fact, you haven't written anything else. Now, give yourself a break.
I would never vote for Romney.
You're in the minority though. The general electorate doesn't think like you do. So I'm not worried. McCain will prevail.
Word on the street is that if Romney gets the nom, Huck's Army will draft Huck to run 3rd party. It will be 1992 all over again. Only this time, Huck will be Perot.
I doubt Huck would do that, it would be the end of his Political career. Since he represents a big part of the Party, he has clot. He bolts, he has nothing.
Then you people aren't Republicans.
I hate being a part of a party with people like you.
I will keep my comments coming all night because nobody here seems to refute the main point, McCain's media fandom.
I don't need a break bro, if you don't like my comments, then refute them or ignore them.
Others seem to share my view.
You can dream about the general electorate, because you'll need them, the conservatives will be home that night.
But maybe the media can scare up enough votes for McCain.
I'll make the best of it. Who can resist a McCain drinking game during the State of the Union? Every time he says, "My friends," bottoms up. You're going to need it.
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Strong defense, smaller government, lowers taxes, courage and hope. Much better than after NH
That's right. I said it. McCain deserves not one ounce of the credit he gets for supporting this war because he used the media to absolve himself of a poorly working war after it began, he was the first republican to compare an eventual outcome to Vietnam, he was critical of Bush far to early into the process, and generally hedged himself once Bush actually adopted the plan to surge, by saying he didn't think it was enough troops and so he wouldn't take ownership for it!
Yeah, McCain is a media panderer.
Congrats to him ;)
Absentee with your attitude I don't think you will be finding many grownups willing to play in your soapbox.
Reply to this.
The child I was referring to has been running his "I'm voting for a democrat" snit all over the site. I'm suggesting that he go do so. Thanks for your input.
absentee
We've seen multiple comments here echoing that point.
Stop crying about the fact that McCain will fracture this party.
Start getting a grip on the reality of him as a nominee.
Stop insulting me because you don't like my viewpoint.
I keep seeing all these comments, "put down the bottle", "child". These ad hominems are unbecoming.
Start instead refuting the critique of McCain, that he is a media shill.
Please for once I beg one of you to answer that charge because in the months I've been here I can count on my hand the number of responses to that argument. You're gonna hear more of it as you move to Florida.
I reply to you, because you are the flurry poster making dozens of substance-less, temper-driven declarations every three seconds. I reply to you that way, because you are the one crushing the quality of commentary tonight. When you can act like an adult, I'll treat you like one.
So like I said. Good Riddance. Adios. Fare the well. Don't let the door hit you. I'm happy to see you go. You and the democrats deserve one another, you behave in the same way.
absentee
McCain hasn't even won the nomination.
Stop attacking me, start refuting my points. You haven't even tried.
Instead you cry about lack of substance. So show it.
The quality of commentary here is quite good. You just don't like the push back.
Stop complaining, it's the only childish thing going on here. Politics has a fair bit of heat. I think McCain can handle it, why can't his supporters?
they *need* my vote. That's something McCain gets though, because he is trying to offer "olive branches".
But the more I see the attitude of his supporters and their *complete* and *utter* unwillingness to answer the charge of media shillery, the more certain I am than ever that I would rather see Hillary elected and the party's true conservative roots restored!
Obviously I am for Rudy or Romney, David Duke would never get my vote, even if he ran against McCain.
Get real.
Incessantly about the *sniffle* media, how they *snuffle* like McCain, which must mean he's bad.
So I gave you someone they hate. Isn't that what you want?
Got a flash for ya, media loves Rudy too. Don't you have a democrat to go vote for?
You keep promising to leave. Still waiting.
absentee
I'm not leaving this site. Get over that. I never said that.
I said I would not vote for McCain, to help retain real conservative values.
The media likes Rudy? LOL. Wow you are not serious right? Did you see the hatchet job they did on his long island travel trist? See the how they buried the correction weeks later?
Get real.
Many many times, that if McCain is the nominee, you'll vote for a democrat. I'm just trying to rush you along so as to improve the quality of Redstate's comments section. Call me a hopeless dreamer, but I thought you might leave early.
absentee
Chill. I said it to McCain people, I'll say it to you. It's an emotional night. Don't say anything you might later regret.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
Is that some sort of threat? Why would I later regret anything I just said?
If I change my mind and vote for McCain, what's it to you? Exactly how could I regret what I'm saying? I'd love for you to explain that. Maybe you just meant it as a figure of speech.
Don't be unnecessarily inflammatory.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
I'd like to know why we let the media and a few people in east coast states pick our presidential candidate. They need to pull their heads out of the sand and start looking at real issues and start looking at what a person has done and not just go on what they are saying. Instead, they are trying to bridge up the past.
We should be taking a look at someone new and not get someone 71 years old with jowls, one foot in the grave and one foot on a banana peel. I want you to take a look at his past 30 years and when you wake up in the morning and go to work and stop at the gas station and put $3.XX fuel in your car, tell him thanks for protecting ANWR.
Now it's time to give someone else new a chance. Vote for Mitt Romney. from me: Can you believe I've never turned him into a
P.S. If he wins the nomination gas will probably be higher and he might pick Teddy Kennedy or someone just like him for a running mate.
(I'm just posting for hubby here. He wanted me to make him an ID, but I wouldn't because he's hot headed and would get banned and you guys would all think I have a really rude sock puppet. This way, I get to edit out all the swear words.)
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.
Say what you will about Iowa and New Hampshire but thank God they saw right through the phony facade. That's retail politics at it's best.
TV ads. Romney would have gotten away with distorting his record.
No retail politics with a National Primary. You can't go door to door, no townhall meetings.....No Cinderella/Huckabee stories......
Just TV ads.
Yes Amen..
Btw, Alan Combs just said to McCain, "we keep hearing from the conservatives"
Meaning implicitely that the man he's speaking to, McCain, *is not one of them*.
HAHA..
Alan Combs gets it, but you all don't!
Who is a tool? They ask Huckabee about "evangelicals" and "values voters" all the time. Guess he's out of those groups too. Oh, and they asked Fred about Republicans. What do they mean by that?
You sure have talent for putting out a lot of nonsense in a short period of time.
absentee
Combs followed up that point with a reference to the fact that McCain is not accepted by conservatives.
Sorry, your counterpoint doesn't make much sense.
Not sure where you live but the first six primaries/caucus were Iowa, Wyoming, NH, Michigan, Nevada & SC, or put another way, 2 of the first six were on the east coast, 2 were in the midwest & two in the mountain states. Not sure how that becomes "east coasters" deciding who the GOP candidate is.
LOL...
That is one of his pandering code terms. It's supposed to get my natsec vote. LOL.
You know what gets my natsec vote? Solid support for President Bush, something he can't change at this point.
Great speech from McCain.
Small-government, small-government, small-government.
Can we all say, President Clinton? Oh God help us!!!
"McCain thinks he’s called the sheriff. Wonder what Teddy calls him? I call him co-conspirator." - beyondrightwing
He didn't say the "A" word when interviewing McCain. Then Sean did the same silly stunt he tried after NH, asking McCain if changing his position on immigration helped him win. McCain kept his cool through it all. He told Hannity that he never changed his position, and that he will secure the borders.
I love it when bullies back down. Of course on Monday Sean will fire up the “Stop McCain Express”, but it was a good moment for McCain.
So, now we get to choose between McCain, Huckabee, Mitt or Rudy... All bad choices for one reason or another.
If the R's win or lose (most likely lose, at this rate), I suspect some enterprising person will make a bunch of $$ with the following bumpersticker:
"Don't blame me, I was for Fred"
I don't think we will be saying President Clinton, President Obama, President McCain or President Huckabee. I pray that this country will see who the real conservative is. I pray that God will give us the president we need, not the one we deserve.
"Where I stand does not depend on where I'm standing." Fred Thompson
He is rapidly approaching "novelty status." The RCP numbers don't look great for upcoming states. He needed to win this classic Bible Belt state and he couldn't get it done.
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
He's doing well in Florida and he hasn't even been there. He has a pastor's conference in Tampa this week. If he works the evangelicals, goes on a free media blitz (Leno, letterman and Colbert), play his bass, he'll be fine. Plus, we're about to head south. I wouldn't write him off so soon. I'm gonna venture to say McCain needed South Carolina more than Huck did.
Huck will be fine. He is very shrewd. He'll come up with something.
Huck just needs to stop pandering to unnecessary constituents i.e the confederate flag people. I think he felt the pressure to overperform and started pandering. People loved Huck because he was nice and funny. You know, guy next door. Then he became infected with the Mitt/Pandering bug and felt the need to please everyone. If there is a lesson to be learned this election season, it's 'Be Yourself'.
Where are we at, post SC?
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”