Su-Fu-Tuesday Brings Clarity, Fear

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Super Tuesday - Knowledge Brings Fear

Super Effing Tuesday is upon us, in all its fearsome glory. Were I in a state that was voting, I'd have rented out a dive bar for conservatives to join in a raucous celebration of this momentous triumph of suck.

We've had all the predictions, and there are tons of open threads to occupy you here tonight. But there are three points that I think will likely emerge as the night goes on:

1. McCain will not lock this up tonight. He'll have to go on to win Virginia and likely all the way to Texas, but if the exit polls hold, he has to hope that Huckabee - who's played his wingman for about the past three weeks - continues to play nice and is content to coast to being the Last Action Hero's Veep.

2. Romney continues to perform horribly in the South, despite having a ton of endorsements and a very good campaign organization. The South is still the most personality-driven political arena in America, and there are some things that not even money and machines can overcome. I don't think he's going to get enough momentum out of the West to change that in the coming primaries.

3. I respect Dr. Dobson more than a lot of other folks, but the idea of releasing a statement that he'll stay home and won't vote in a McCain-Clinton election this late in the game indicates to me that he isn't all that enthused about throwing support to Huckabee or Romney. Had Dobson announced this a week ago, he would've had a definite impact today, and moved a few key points to whoever he wished. But by waiting and making this a non-factor, I think it's a sign that as much as he dislikes McCain, Dobson is resigned to the fact that he's the likeliest nominee.

My prescription for getting through the night: I recommend strong bourbon and a large dose of Michael Barone and Karl Rove.

[Update:] Romney's speech tonight seemed more resigned than optimistic. This one hurts, and I just don't think his heart's in it any more.

As for Huckabee, his staff is just giddy: with the potential for wins in AR, GA, AL, WV, MO and TN, this is a much better night than anyone expected, and unless Romney performs above expectations in California, Huckabee's path to victory, while still very unlikely, is now much more realistic than Romney's. KS, VA, TX, MS, NC, KY...all of these are states where Huckabee can have a far more realistic foothold than Romney.


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I think that this may very well be the last election I care about (or vote for that matter - if I do)... Seems that things are drifting way too left to continue the fight. Oh well, I can depend on my son to carry on the fight.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

Cheer up, Ben.

Found out something important for you. Stand by - will post the news shortly. :-)

That the rebate envelopes will include certificates good for twelve - packs...
Is that it?

He has become the Mikey of the RTL movement.

I don't like the candidate
Well I don't like the candidate either
Let see if Jimmy likes it.
Hey Jimmy doesn't likes it either
Yeah he dosn't like anything
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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If he was for Romney, one assumes he would've said so a week ago to give the guy a shot.

I suppose if he just came out and endorsed somebody an said why it would be different. This just reminds me of an old bugs bunny bit.

Bugs: Well I think I want
Genie interrupts: No not one of those
Bugs: Well how bout
Genie: Much too flashy
Bugs: What about
Genie: You could never be seen with one of those
BUGS: Explodes.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Several things are standing out, and they are not good for Romney, nor for the GOP.

McMentum is over, if it ever existed. He is a one dimensional candidate whom is seriously handicapped. He appeals to Indies and Moderates, and that's it. Sadly, he is also one of our strongest candidates.

Huckabee is still in this race, sadly. He competes with Romney for the conservative vote, in the South. His campaign and draw are laughable, but as long as people go to his church in droves they vote for him in droves as well. It is also not safe to say that these conservatives would follow the lead of national conservatives and vote for Romney if Huckabee weren't in the race.

A McCain/Huckabee ticket is the death of the party. McCain needs conservatives, granted. But Huckabee's conservative draw is confined to Southern Evangelical voters, and by the rest he is considered to be a liberal. So this dog don't hunt. I doubt McCain can win without him, so that will leave this thing in an interesting conundrum.

Romney is the conservative choice. He does not appeal to those that think his faith is a cult, but we don't know if that disparage would disappear minus the stimulus of a Huckabee campaign. However, Indies and Huckies seem to be outside his draw.

Bottom line; no one is running away with this thing tonight, or probably at all.

Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.

-White Goodman

I would certainly think Dr. Dobson is making his choice based on Romney's lackluster position on Right to life and McCain's position on ESCR.
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Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.

-White Goodman

It's a fine question to ask. But I agree, I think this is a situation where Dobson doesn't trust Romney, doesn't like McCain, and doesn't think Huckabee can win.

Is give talk radio more bullets to shoot at McCain. He will soon be bleeding so much support due to this pile on that it will go brokered. Who wins then? Like I mentioned, I just don't see how McCain/Huckabee is an option.

Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.

-White Goodman

I too would think that. Except Dobson actually said that he "didn't think" Christians would vote for Mitt because he was a Mormon.

He didn't explicitly say he wouldn't vote for him, but he said that Christians wouldn't. Wink-wink.

I can't stand Romney, but I thought it was an incredibly sleazy move on Dobsons part, and I've spent most of my life admiring him. I lost a lot of respect for him.

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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"

"Huckabee's conservative draw is confined to Southern Evangelical voters, and by the rest he is considered to be a liberal. So this dog don't hunt. "

BIG omission in your analysis -- Huckabee's the only one left except Ron Paul who has any credibility on gun rights.

(Note too: culturally, I'm very different from the evangelicals you guys are assuming are casting all the Huck votes.)

Huckabee flat out rocks on the Second Amendment. Every time he addresses it he's pitch-perfect. He schooled Romney in the debates on this vital issue. When it comes to guns, Romney is an ignorant flip-flopper with zero credibility. He can't even keep his story straight from one month to the next on the federal "assault weapons" (i.e., semi-auto) ban.

Not to say Huckabee doesn't have his problems. If not for the gun issue I'd have voted for Romney today. He's a competent manager with real-world experience, and seems much better in terms of "executive temperament" than the volatile, superannuated McCain.

I voted Huck to show that gun owners are still in this, and that a candidate who mealy-mouths on gun rights in the primaries will be haunted by it for a long time.

With this year's GOP slate, gun owners are going to coolly size up the deal that's being offered to us before we fall in line behind the nominee.

As a mental exercise, add together the Huck and Paul votes as you run down tonight's primary returns. A decent chunk of those are gun-rights voters, I'll bet.

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will be the determining factor in this year's election? I mean, there are people who feel strongly about them, but hardly enough to decide a national election.

thought the issue was so important, it was the 2nd Amendment. However, although Huck talks a good game on 2A, he seems to simply be a nanny stater that "likes guns". He has no foundational believe in idividual liberty which 99 percent of pro 2A people believe in.

Since Huck is a nanny stater, since he wants to ban smoking, fattening food, and pretty much everything he does not like, there is no reason to believe his pro 2A stance is more than a centimeter deep. If he decided guns are not so fun, he could easily switch to a gun grabber since he believes the government should decide what rights we should have.

OTOH, gun rights will always matter. Since the Dems have been slaughtered on the issue for decades, they have dropped it on campaigns. This is the sole reason why we don't here much about the gun debate in national elections. But what we do see is a libertarian-conservative belief in the individual and the Constitution, and the statist-conservative-liberal position of government knows better than joe six pack. The latter position is held by all democrats and some Republicans.

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J/K
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personal firearms to the UK because they had disarmed their populace.

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Molon Labe!

And post in the morning.

Have to remember be careful when kidding the heavily armed ;-)
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I never implied the 2A can fight off an army. It is much more realistic and personal than that. The 2A allows a man to defend his wife and child, or neighbor. Basically the 2A, a right given by our Creator, allows men to be men and puts a stop on the tyranny of the state to take away our idividuality and souls.

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It guaranteed a certain amount of circumspection in the states actions. As a lifelong gun owner I absolutely agree about personal defense.
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in the general sense, but just that in the context of the general election, gun rights are way down below Iraq, the economy, energy independence, and many more things as far as importance to the national electorate.

It's a little early to be drawing firm conclusions, but a few initial observations:

1. Huckabee is able to eke out wins, but not substantial wins, in Southern and near-southern states. He gets crushed everywhere else. I don't see any evidence that he can expand beyond his base. Check out these numbers (as of 10:40pm EST - these numbers obviously will change) for Huck outside the South and near-South:

CT - 7%
DE - 15%
IL - 17%
NJ - 8%
NY - 7%

He's doing a bit better in caucus states:

MN - 22%
MT - 18%
ND - 19%

2. Romney does OK in the South, but that's about the best that can be said. His worst showings in the South, for the most part, are far better than Huckabee's best showings outside the South. Romney in the South and near-South (btw, I'm talking about MO and OK as "near-South"):

AL - 17%
GA - 30%
MO - 27%
OK - 25%
TN - 23%

And of course he did pretty well in WV, 47%

3. Observations 1 and 2 would seem to indicate that Huckabee has a "ceiling" on his support (which is a bad thing) outside of his base and Romney has a "floor" on his support outside of his base. Doesn't mean one's better than the other or is destined to be the last (or second-to-last) candidate standing, but I'd rather have a floor than a ceiling.

4. McCain also seems to have a rough floor on his support - he can reliably and consistently compete, putting up respectable numbers pretty much everywhere.

Bottom line: McCain is still the frontrunner, Romney is able to compete fairly well in most states, and Huckabee is almost strictly a below-the-Mason-Dixon-line candidate (looking good in the CO caucuses right now, but only 2% reporting according to CNN).

Still a lot of campaign left, it looks like.

"but as long as people go to his church in droves they vote for him in droves as well."

Once again you show your bias Eyriq by calling his prior employment into your rant. Have you ever stopped to consider the possibility that Huckabee is popular because he and doing so well because he's a stronger candidate than the rest of the clowns that the punditocracy has declared as the front runners.

He's been written off since the beginning of the campaign and attacked by the Rockefeller wing since winning in IA and he's still standing there swinging.

Let me ask you and the rest of my Red State brethren a simple question; If Huckabee is so fiscally liberal and irresponsible, how is he able to contend with the establishment candidate, (MaCain), and the deep pockets candidate, (Romney) on a penny and a prayer?

He's at least as Conservative as anyone left in the rest and has earned a second look from those of you who have given him the back of your hand up till now.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

If these numbers hold, it will be over.

Then we have to hope that McCain is smart enough to wait a few weeks and figure out a good VP candidate.

Maybe even sit down with the Dobsons of the world (who greatly annoys me) and take input from them.

Please not Lindsey Graham or Mike Huckabee.

Romney would be fine with me although there is some sub-group of the evangelical right who would not vote for McCain / Romney. Would McCain / Romney get Rush and Sean back on board?

And of course, McCain / Thompson looms.

Or as I tosse around earlier, a McCain / Watts ticket.

But did so because I thought it was the obviously right move. With Huckaboom II, that may be less so from McCain's perspective.

Speaking for myself and many like me, McCain is a non starter with me whether Huckabee, Romney, Thompson or Ronald Reagan himself were second on the ticket.

For me it's Huck #1, Romney #2 and a blank ballot #3. #4 is a vote for McCain if and only if Hell freezes over.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

Romney has absolutely horrible organization in Georgia, and won't do well here in the South regardless of cash or endorsements because (a) he's a Mormon (sorry, Hugh), and (b) nobody here trusts him.

A buddy of mine who is an attorney in the NE said,"I like Romney OK, but he is a little slick for me."
I said, "Geez, if he is too slick for YOU, how on earth do you think WE feel about him?"

Oklahoma, Tennessee, Missouri...out of those three, it appears he only has a shot at MO (which is only marginally a Southern state, I should've been more clear).

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Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

move to California where he will open a chain of fast-service Chinese restaurants called Pander Express featuring good food and whatever fortune cookie you want.

You can't afford the price of free corn.

What a wonderful way to unite the party. Hope you have fun in November.

win a *single* Southern state in the primary season.

He is running third, often a distant third in these states.

And it's bad for mccain??? He will probably win Missouri tennessee and Oklahoma in these contests. He has already won Louisiana. Yet McCain is the one with the problem. Riiiight.

thats fine, but now there are no more southern states, where does Huckabee go from here?

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I don't care who you are...

Huckabee can win a few more, though you're essentially correct: he's a Bible Belt candidate and failed to break out of that mold over the past two months.

I don't think we count anymore. This whole primary system is a joke and I'm sick of it. By the time we get to vote, it probably won't amount to a hill of beans.

I guess the only thing I can do about it is lobby for my state to move their primary up to (at least) "super" Tuesday.

www.scottbomb.com

we would count this year...Primary and Electoral...

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I guess one out of three ain't bad. As I write this Tennessee has been called and Huckabee leads in Missouri with 75% in according to Fox.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

or Eagle Rare? The mash bill is specially tailored for the drowning of electoral sorrows.

"In my youth, it was said that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics." -- Ronald Coase

With Evan Williams. I'm poor. Plus I'm happy with the way things are going, so I don't need as much drowning of the sorrows.

"Livin' the dream. I'm going to Disney World." Super Bowl XLII MVP, Elisha Nelson Manning

thank god it is fat tuesday....what was super tuesday again?
MelZ

McCain can't pull most of the conservatives.

Huckabee can only pull evangelicals.

Many evangelicals won't vote for Romney.

Fred's the only one who would've could have won the entire southeast in November.

What a shame.

I don,t think John McCain can win the election not matter what. We will have a democrat for president. I can not in good conscience vote for John McCain because of all the liberal positions he has taken.

I will be writing in Mick Romney here in Fl in Nov.

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but I liked it!

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He could very well win only MA and UT.

All I can say is is not as good a candidate as I thought.

I believe his is the best man for the job. The majority doesn't agree.

I cannot believe that Romney is running so poorly there.

Nah, its early and its tied there. He'll win Mo, MN and CO.

Cheer up, yes it is depressing, but Romney will win Mass, Utah, Montana, Minnesota, Colorado, possibly North Dakota, Alaska, and hopefully California.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

He's tied in the AZ exit polls. Even if he loses, I hope he makes McCain sweat. Either way, its a blow to his morale. The people that know him best are rejecting him.

McCain is ahead by about 5-7 points...

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

that was well played.

Then it's edging that way.

"Livin' the dream. I'm going to Disney World." Super Bowl XLII MVP, Elisha Nelson Manning

Unless I wake up tomorrow and find out Santa is real, Romney is toast. This sucks. Oh well, on to McCain. At least he deserves a shot.

I never really bought into the whole slick mantra and still can't understand how that sticks, but at the end of the day I think that is what hurt Romney most. For me I just looked at this church service and his son's church service and that settled the integrity debate. To bad that does not help him, but probably hurts him more than anything. Double Poopie

We had just better win the general. Oh, and absolutely NO Huckabee ticket. If Romney dropping out tomorrow would assure that, I'd say do it. I just would not vote for Huckabee as a VP or President.

Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.

-White Goodman

"I just would not vote for Huckabee as a VP or President."

You disagree with Huckabee on some issues so you will vote for the Un-Republican, (McCain) in the General? I just wish you all would just give Huckabee another look. He's not perfect but not as bad as McCain.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

I predict Romney to only win Caucus (Montana, Colorado, etc.), Utah and Taxachussets.

It's a two men race from now on.

Romney states are likely to come in later.

Which ones?

Alaska, Minnesota, Montana, Arizona, and California. Just to name a few.

Where hasn't he worked his butt off. It is a shame he hasn't connected better. If he had that Huckabee charm this would be over.

The RNC should turn the whole operation over to him. He smokes everyone at fundraising and organization. And he works harder.

He strikes people as just another motivational speaker.
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He doesn't actually get any delegates there if he wins. It's a non-binding straw poll.
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It's funny how every state that Romney wins in meaningless - its a caucus state, its in his backyard, Mormons live there, nobody bothered campaigning - MA,UT,WY,NV,MI,ND,MN,ME,MT,CO all meaningless.

Since I live there. It's a straw poll. It has nothing to do with delegates. It's WTN (Winner Take None). The actual delegates won't be elected for a couple months yet, by the state delegates at the state convention.
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Apart from Arizona and California, those are all Caucus. I said he would win most of the Caucus. He's not going to win Arizona. He may pull out California, but it'll be so close it won't really matter.

or California.

Tha caucus states he may well win, since he has done well with them. I think, though, he needed to show some strength in the northeast or the south, which he has not shown.

Again, he is coming in third in all the Southern primaries. At the start of super tuesday we were told by Romneybots that he would win several Southern states AND california. He is not going to win any of these. He may end up winning fewer delegates after ST than Huckabee.

The big losers of these primaries: talk-radio hosts.

Huckabee: «A lot of people have been saying this is a two-man race. Well it is, and we're in it.»

Not sure what you are trying to say. In a democracy those with the most votes win. We should only fear, if we truly believe we are unable to educate our fellow Americans about the issues of the day. If not, then let us look forward to spreading the Gospel and stamping out ignorance.

Just the idea that finding out who's the frontrunner is not necessarily a good thing.

I don't see the base ever getting excited about McCain.

It is going to take a motivated orgainization AND Indies to win.

The MSM will take care of the Indies.

Excuse me, which planet are you posting from?

If anything should be obvious at this point, it's that Huckabee has [i]no[/i] appeal outside of his fundamentalist base, and Romney has [i]no[/i] appeal to non-Republicans. McCain can beat either Hillary or Obama, no one else has a prayer. Supporting McCain is the biggest no-brainer in the history of Earth.

Before everyone gets so excited, things are going almost exactly how I predicted, and this is a long way from over.

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/lobo/2008/feb/04/likely_result_after_super...

A vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain at the end of the day - unless this gets to a brokered convention. What is more important than who is at the top of the ticket is the need for more conservative R's in the House and Senate.

Because he knows that by selecting McCain, the GOP will allow either Hillary or Obama to have a victory in November like Reagan's in 1984.

The entire US map, save for Arizona, may end up being blue.

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... there is no evidence whatsoever to support your 49-state sweep prediction. McCain, Romney, and Huckabee would all have an uphill fight this November, for reasons which are no fault of their own. But poll after poll shows McCain matches up well against Obama and/or Clinton.

Hang all traitors and secessionists! Hang them high!
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"But poll after poll shows McCain matches up well against Obama and/or Clinton."

We were sold that bill of goods in 1996 about Boob Dole. He's the only one who could beat Bill Clinton. We heard it from the Rockefeller Republicrats and the so called objective press.

To bad reality turned out tho be quite different after the MSM turned on him.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

So unless you think Nurse Bloomberg is in its not comparable.
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Do you remember the general election in 1996? I can't tell you how discouraged and demoralized I was after watching the three ring circus that was the Dole 96 campaign.

I defy you or anyone else to tell me what Dole stood for, Campaigned on, What he wanted to do as President or why he wanted to be president at all aside from the fact that it was just his turn.

He spent half the Campaign attacking the base of his own party and the other half sucking up to the so called mderates and independants and lost to Clinton in a landslide. I predict the same from McCain!

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

plus he did not have the evangelical base that bush has galvanized... that is what huck can bring to mccain's ticket...

i'll say this we need rove to get voters out again.

The problem with that is I and many like me will not vote for McCain with or without Huckabee.

I like Huckabee but nI can tell you as soon as he hitches his wagon to McCain's bumper....I'm done with Huckabee!

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

no one can galvanize them more than Huckabee... ok some can, but not with his communication and political skills.

I mean Huck knocked Romney out with a shoestring budget versus a multi-million dollar campaign and conservative talk radio against him. Huck has proven his worth.

Did wish he would stop speaking of himself in the third person.

Forget about where Dole stood on the issues. He had all the personality of a 6 week dead fish. He still probably would have won if perrot weren't in the race.
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... are war heroes and honorable men, what possible connection can you draw between their careers and campaigns? And btw, any jerk with a user name doesn't get to call a great man and a great Republican "Boob."

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What poll shows how McCain will appear to voters after the MSM turns on him?

What did the polls show this time before the 1976, 1980, and 1992 elections?

McCain's current "support" by many voters is based on his persona as communicated by the MSM. What happens when Chris Matthews and others in the press change sides? How will McCain handle that?

I have never heard a McCain supporter address this issue, which is important given rumors of his temper.

Romney is the general election loser. McCain is competitive: I personally think he easily beats Hillary and is within the margin of error to Obama.

As proof, look how badly Romney is doing in the South. In most places he is coming in third. And it is a distant third in most. If Romney were to somehow get the nomination, there is a very good chance he would lose the South to either Obama or Hillary. No Republican can win without the South.

No republican would bother running in the south.
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are going to be terribly disappointed during the Nov. election.

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All the polling evidence, and it is substantial, screams that McCain is the only Republican candidate who has the slightest chance of winning in November.

I hope he's smart enough to not do that. There are a whole lot of good candidates for VP. He doesn't need to go find one of the worst.
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at least it seems the Democrats are not making their selection tonight either.

Being in a state that will not have our primary until March 4, we were making alternate plans, but now we are back to plan A.
That does not bode well for conversatisim, but at least we will get to have some decision in this process.

It seems that we have a 3 Section of America race in our party. Huck plays well in the south and strong Christian states. Mac plays well in the liberal north and pro-amnesty states. Romney plays well in social conversative/moderate states. So what will we do.

We have no candidate who can consistanly get 50% of the Republician vote in this race and that is a problem for us. No matter which candidate gets the nod, he will be a weak candidate.

I personally will never vote for McCain no matter what he says or offers us. I can hold my nose and vote for Romney but Huck is a bigger reach.

Time will tell what our party becomes, but my fear is we are heading down the road of 1964 or 1976, and neither of those worked well for us.

"Time will tell what our party becomes, but my fear is we are heading down the road of 1964 or 1976, and neither of those worked well for us."

1976 turned out pretty well given Reagan's showing then and his sweep in 1980.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

If it wasn't for Huckabee McCain would have swept the South, too!

What I find most striking about tonight is that in the states that Romney lost in the South, he came in third. If this is now a two-man race, the race is between McCain and Huckabee.

I ask this only half-jokingly but, since Romney supporters and pundits say that Romney and Huckabee are supposedly spliting the conservative vote, will Romney supporters now switch to support that conservative, Huckabee ?

McCain and Huckabee are about the same level of conservative to me (which is not at all).

Given that choice, I'll take McCain as more likely to win in November.

McCain is Clinton, Clinton is McCain.

So you'll pass over the two marginally conservative candidates and vote for the most demonstrative and hostile Liberal Republican in the race?

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Isn't McCain's ACU rating 83? That's sort of conservative, isn't it?

He's against us on the worse possible issues and nasty and in your face about his oppositions.

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I have never met someone so comfortable with being wrong. Good for you, that takes a lot of moxy and confidence--or hubris, but whatever.

His ratings started going down in 1997, and really started to tank after 2000.

That's what I was thinking. Huckabee hurt McCain a lot more then he helped him.

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if he was. He isn't so I won't.

In about a week or two, many GOP voters will start to get what is known as "voter's remorse" when they realize that McCain is the least likeliest to win in Nov.

This will allow Mitt to mount a serious charge for states with substantial numbers of electoral votes: Texas, Washington, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania, etc.

It's not over, even after tonight.

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McCain is going to come out of tonight with an unbeatable delegate lead. I don't see Mitt winning Texas, ever.
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That Mitt even competes in Texas. It'll be McCain vs. Huckabee here.

Mitt led by one in the last poll in Texas

Keep telling yourself that.

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"This will allow Mitt to mount a serious charge for states with substantial numbers of electoral votes: Texas, Washington, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania, etc."

Given his strong showing tonight and the fact that Huckabee has lead in Texas off and on since IA, I expect Texas to go Huckabee.

I'd be surprised if NC didn't go for him as well.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

Can you point me to the data that suggests that anybody OTHER than McCain has the slightest chance to wn in November?

what i've wanted if huck could not get the nomination...

i love it.

Why would McCain who is has at best an uneasy relationship with the social conservative movement pander to that movement by selecting America's Pastor as his running mate?

If McCain is so silly as to think the sort of back room deal that would bring America's Pastor to the ticket just to appease social conservative, McCain deserves to loose.

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I note that you've continually used that phrase to describe Huckabee incessantly on this post and others over the past couple of months.

You contemptible posts disparaging Social Conservatives is disgusting.

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As long as Mitt has the funds and he contines to get support from certain conservatives, he'll stay in to keep the debates honest at least.

After all, he has become the darling of talk radio, which can make a difference at least in the manner of thinking if not in the manner of voting.

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-RWR January 21, 1985

mitt has no real path w/ huck in the race

As bad as it is for Romney with Huckabee in the race, he would be much worse off if Huckabee was not in the race. Consider, looking at the results, if Huckabee was not in and Romney split Huckabee's vote 60/40 with McCain (and for the record, I think the split would be the other way, in McCain's favor), McCain would have also won Alabama, Georgia, and Missouri. And if Arkansas did not still vote for Huckabee as a favorite son, McCain would have won that state, too.

In other words, Mike Huckabee cost John McCain three or four additional states tonight.

I am a Mitt guy, but I think it is just about time to urinate on the fire and call the dogs. Mitt and family are a Norman Rockwell picture. He is scandal free. He has outspent his competitors by what, 5 to 1? Every talk radio host has been sounding the call for Romney and where is he now? If Rush et al can't sell Romney to the bulk of the GOP, in traditionally conservative states, what makes you think Mitt has a prayer?

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies...

Didn't we get a really good idea tonight how much influence Rush, Sean, Hugh, Laura, and Mark really have?

Rumor has it that Romney isn't going to blow his whole fortune on this hopeless quest.

Given that the big NE states are winner take all.

Everyone thought Rush and Hannity's crowd would head to Romney and give him more of a shot...

This is the last gasp of the social conservative movement. Trying to block McCain and block Mitt. It sort of worked, but only if Mitt does not try to buy the race with his own money, or rather more of his own money.

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It seems to me that if McCain or a Dem. are my only choices, I'm forced to vote for McCain just to (hopefully) keep the Dem's filthy paws off SCOTUS.

That's ALL McCain's got going for him with this voter. If I didn't have to worry about the court, I'd probably stay home (synonymous with voting for the Dem.) just to let them make a mess of things for 4 years for which their party will take the blame. It's a strategy Rush has hinted at but the only problem (and it's a biggie!) is the dang court.

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was suppose to be non-political and follow the constitution... Yep, naive I am...

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That your vote on that might not mean Ginsburg v. Scalia, but rather Ginsburg v. Kennedy or O'Conner.

It's time to break out the hard stuff. I'll try not to commit a BUI (blogging under the influence).

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And I would certainly take that over another Ginsburg or Stevens that Hillary would give us.

I'm just saying that it's quite sad that this is the point it's at - where, if we get a Kennedy or an O'Conner, we might be willing to consider that a victory.

People have been saying McCain is strong on this because he voted in favor of Roberts and Alito. McCain might have voted for a lot of our SCOTUS faves, but he voted for Ginsburg and Breyer as well. Votes don't necessarily indicate tendencies for nominations.

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he is going to nominate competent, proven conservatives. he does not like stealth nominees.

"keep the Dem's filthy paws off SCOTUS."

Perplexing for sure but I can't walk the plank for McCain and sleep at night. I really believe that if by some miracle he were to win the White House he'd do far more Damage to the Republican brand than any Dem ever could.

This much I know, McCain is sucking up to conservatives now because he needs us to win the nomination, You can bet your bottom dollar that once he secures the nomination he'll be as nasty towards us as he's ever been as he panders to the Liberals and Moderates.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

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This is more than enough of a reason to vote for McCain. Here are two more: Commander-in-Chief Hillary and Commander-in-Chief Barack.

Rudy dropped out (Perry's 1st choice). Perry also was only ably to get 39% of the votes in Texas for Governor, so he is in great company picking McCain.

First, I have no idea what Dobson is thinking. Why would you choose not to vote in an election featuring an extremely liberal Democrat (like. perhaps, Hillary Clinton) linked to multiple liberal agendas (gays, abortion, etc), and a Senator who has supported your causes at least 80% of the time. It doesn't make sense.

Second, is it just me, or is Huck doing much better than Romney tonight.

Hang all traitors and secessionists! Hang them high!
- Me

they are not conservative if they want to help Shrillary...

Morons! All of them.

"Morons! All of them."

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

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... that I actually have a great deal of respect for Dobson, and agree with about 95% of the stuff he says, but I don't agree that I can only support presidential candidates who agree with me 95% of the time. To me, his decision to make this announcement, especially at this time when it is far too late to do anything about it, is frivolous and pointless. That doesn't diminish the respect I have for the man, but I can not agree with him on this one.

Hang all traitors and secessionists! Hang them high!
- Me

guy and am wary about "church movements" so I have an ingrained worry about huge televangelist power brokers. Having said that, I only notice Dobson when he is making political statements, which seems to be often. He also seems to only talk about who he holds in contempt. He seems to be a judger, a man who likes to cast the first stone, and one who wants to make kings. For that reason, I do not respect him, but I respect your views and reasons.

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... but for those of us who have grown up with Dobson's radio shows, listening to his children's radio programing (see, "Adventures in Odyssey"), and being raised by parents who read his books, he seems very different. His political activism is actually secondary to his real vocation, which is as a marriage and family counselor to millions of evangelicals and catholics. He is a child psychologist by profession, and a beloved radio host and author. So perhaps I just have a soft spot for the man, but I find it impossible to dislike him even though I strongly disagree with him on this point.

Hang all traitors and secessionists! Hang them high!
- Me

and knowledge of the man's teachings. I have heard good things about him from evangelical relatives. I just really have a thing against mixing the pulpit with the ballot box. To be more correct, I think all believers should make up their own minds, not get their marching orders from a religious leader. If I remember correctly, Protestants kind of held that belief to be fundamental.

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Believe it or not...I agree!

I share his sentiment but I am confused about his strategy. Actually I don't think there was a calculated strategy behind it beyond stopping McCain!

I guess the other thing to consider is that he can't specifically endorse a candidate without losing his tax exampt status....(Yet another back door way of censoring free speech that's been snuck in while we were sleeping).

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

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So far, but the western states have not been called yet, and I don't think Hucks delegate count is up too much, even though he's won five states today.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

which will help McCain... Romney has no path with Huck in the race

... for the states with a proportional representation system. That's because they aren't sure what the delegate split will be until they have all the precincts in, even though it's fairly clear who won almost all the critical races. So there are a lot of delegates who've effectively been "won," but haven't been reported by the media.

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than an adult facing difficult decisions. Over the past few election cycles he got used to the Republican party kowtowing to the leaders of the religious right, which of course culminated in the Terri Schiavo fiasco. (Remember Bill Frist actually offering a medical diagnosis on the basis of watching a video tape? That was one of the most blatant examples of cowardly pandering in recent memory) Now that he finds himself in a position where he cannot dictate Republican policy, he wants to take his ball and go home. If he doesn't get all the ring kissing from Republican politicians that he feels he is entitled too, he is willing to turn the country over to the Democrats. Yeah-THERE'S a guy with courage and principles...

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You don't get to chose. You do politics with principle or you don't do either.

There is no such thing as perfection.

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principles over politics - even if it means I don't often win. Your choice may vary...

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Then your principles are worthless.

You can feel good about yourself, but if you can't find a practical way to make them do something in the real world, they do nothing but make you feel self-righteous.

Principles are only important if they actually affect the real world. That means melding them with politics.

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So do you believe that a having a Democratic administration is preferable to having a Republican administration that does not toe the line on your principles?

When I think that said Republican adminstration would be unbelievably and possibly 20-year irreversably bad for the party as well as the nation, then I might be tempted to say yes.

There's a difference between "perfect v. good" and "perfect v. dredge/refuse".

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Hillary's presidency would be a windfall for his ministry. He can present himself as God's Opposition to the Pants-Suited Satan.
Obama might be a little harder for him to play against.
But with McCain he's got nothing to gain and The Might Pastor isn't going to humble himself, even for a greater cause.

from people better than he.

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Dr. D. speaking for Preparation H.

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But its more or less on the money in terms of effect.

A democrat in will intensify TheoCon outrage and support of their causes.
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the leaders of the religious right(NOT the rank and file) seem to thrive on righteous indignation and outrage. It is a terrific motivator and money raiser.

"Yeah-THERE'S a guy with courage and principles..".

Have you considered the possibility that I, Dr. Dobson, and people like us ARE standing on principle and refusing to be bought off by the used car salesman, (Romney), or the Democrat in Republican drag, (McCain)?
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

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and in the case of Dobson, I dismissed it.

Fair enough.

I'm actually perplexed by the way he did it. I don't know why he didn't do it yesterday?

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

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If McCain has it locked up,. vote in the Dem's primary. That was our plan B before tonight but Plan A may still be in play.

As I announced to our local/state party leaders in June, if McCain get the top spto, I will not sit it out but I will write a name in before voting for McCain.

Here's why:

Ginsberg and Breyer will try to wait another four years if (in the highly unlikely event) McCain wins in November.

And even if they do not wait, expect a Souter or Kennedy style nominee from McCain - hardly a reason to let him become the de facto leader of the GOP.

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Just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about. Stevens and Ginsburg on oxygen tanks waiting for a democrat. They are only on SCOTUS with modern technology...

Breyer has years to go...

Next president picks 1-2 SCOTUS members, so think again.

I note that you ignored wellthereyougoagain's point that you can expect a souter type nominee out of McCain...I would argue that you could count on McCain sticking it to us as payback for 2000 and appointing another Ginsburg.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

in any case, McCain will not be able to replace two - maybe one justice at most and it will be a disappointing choice.

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-RWR January 21, 1985

he was against meiers, against souter, and for Roberts, alito, and bork...

get informed then post...

jesus I am sick of the ignorance with mccain on scotus.

He also voted for Ginsburg, Breyer, and Souter. But the McCainiacs seem to conveniently forget that.

Votes do not always equate the personal preferences of the man.

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As he said in support for Bush's nominees--elections have consequences... Breyer and Ginsburg were our consequences. What did you expect Clinton to nominate Estrada and Alito and Brown... be smart.

His votes for those three was a calculated move to bolster his claim that dems must support Bush's nominees... it was taking the higher ground from the Bork debacle...

Clinton reached out to the GOP and asked for names who would get approved. ORIN HATCH suggested Breyer and Ginsburg--(now I'll get to hear what a RINO or liberal Hatch is)...

Truth be told Breyer turned out to be moderate-left on the bench, and Ginsburg was an old nominee--evidenced by rumors she is on her way out after only 10-15 years of service, compared to Scalia, Thomas, Rhenquist, and now Alito and Roberts.

As to Souter... he was highly critical of the nomination (the excerpt has been posted), but supported the GOP president.

He has a good record on SCOTUS--Romney has no record, so check and mate my friend.

Again, read first, then comprehend, then opine on McCain and SCOTUS.

As I said earlier, the critics' lack of information and knowledge is increasingly frustrating.

You are either ignorant or dishonest... neither of which is good.

after he looses the general election, I can't wait to see if he'll defend the Republican's right to filibuster Democrat Judges as ardently as he did to protect his Democrat masters!

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

It's good to be consistent, even if it is wrong. There is something comforting in seeing someone not surprise, but instead adhere to their uninformed opinions. Excellent work.

Let's watch and see what happens. He's pandering to us now but will revert to his old spiteful and left leaning ways as soon as he doesn't need us any more.

BTW

Have you noticed that he is winning by appealing to liberals, moderates and independents in states like CA, NY, PA etc which will vote Democrat in the General election? He'll run as a liberal/moderate in the General and alienate red state maybe loosing a couple and weill be soundly defeated in the blue states whom he's pandering to.

We'll see who's uninformed when this play's out.

I promise not to gloat....at least not too much

HA

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Go Mike Go!!!

She is actually manage to stir enthusiasm for McCain in me.

Either that or Nausea.
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Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

Whatever happens, we must make sure that the GOP is in the White House for a long time to come. The DNC candidates just scare me. They are now openly becoming a socialist party.


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HA

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

She's a uniter, not a divider..... of Republicans.

I will forever blame Huckabee and his followers for ruining 2008, the ultimate spoiler, ill never forget it and never forgive it.

I'm no Huck supporter, I'm STILL voting FRED! in VA in a week. But shouldn't you be pointing that finger at the void of solid Republican candidates?

For who?

McCain would have won 3 more states if it weren't for Huckabee.

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And there's evidence that Huck drew votes from Mitt? Where??

If they backed Huck, this would be over... Radio PERSONALITIES have proven to be irrelevant.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

I prefer Romney, but I could live with Huckaby as our nominee (yes we might get killed when they start looking through all his sermons and his comment about ammending constitution to be "in line with Bible"), but at least he is relatively conservative (Yes I know he raised some taxes in Arkansas but geez they still don't even have an income tax) I am troubled by all of his commutations for prisoners but I imagine it is especially difficult for someone who strongly believes that we are all god's creation.

OK ANYBODY BUT MCCAIN!!!! I would love to see the race down to only Romney and Huckaby, but how in the world does the race pan out with three top candidates? Btw, if Romney does not win California, I think he should drop out. (sigh.. I loved his speech tonight!)

Two weeks ago I heard Rush say he would vote for McCain. He will not say that about Huckabee.

Hey Romney guys, I don't think that "backroom deal" line is going to wash with anyone here or with the voters. How can America's CEO not know how to broker a caucus deal?

This schtick of standing up next to a flat screen TV, a la Alyson Cammerota, is a no go.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

While I disagree with it the big message, the points he uses to make it, are quite palatable.
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After watching him, I find myself very inspired, and at the same time wondering what the heck he just said.

we can capitalize on it...

remember the debate between cheney & edwards...

he will weaken in the general...

finally, he is not vetted, expect surprises against him.

skills, that will not be enough to win. Huck is our best speaker, but he is not going to win either. Never did anyone say McCain was a great orater, but he has a history, Obama does not. In fact, Obama wants to hide his history as far as I can tell.

There is simply a lot more to winning a national campaign than acting like a church deacon. He is a new entity, he will likely not be able to handle the negatives that will come up.

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Obama would be the obvious choice.

I have a feeling that he will be a key part of the next administration, Democrat or Republican.

b/c he can argue that with his history of bipartisanship and leadership he can change the tone and unite the country, while defending it from terrorism, and using his 20+ years of experience.

that is why mccain is our best shot.

again obama will have skeletons come out, and no policies to talk about just rhetoric--and that will lose. HRC's bluedogs will go to mccain... obama attracts teddy's supporters.

Yes that is why McCain is our best shot at being a lousy president and destroying the Republican Part ywhile doing it. Great idea!!

...he is a conservative who can unite the country...

Reagan worked with a democrat congress...

"we have to go beyond the rove strategy of polarizing the nation"?

Spoken like a true appeaser.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

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who wants a conservative with a broad voter in the general--it is possible, and mccain and/or huck is the way to acheive it...

Limbaugh has more polarizing affect these days and he won't back down from destroying McCain.

Limbaugh and Coulter both know that they will only grow their audience with a Hillary presidency.

pitting our base against their base...

that is why obama is strong (including among republicans)... b/c people are getting tired of red/blue...

McCain to transcend it better than hrc and remain conservative... and give obama a run for his money...

"people are getting tired of red/blue...."

So let's all just turn blue and link aor arms and sing lovely songs together and dance amongst the pretty flowers?

Like I said, Spoken like a true appeaser!

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

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Please excuse my ignorance...What is YMMV?
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and if the party went your way we would have nothing...

GWB was not a conservative and we won.

Dole and GHWB were not conservatives and but for Perot we would have won...

Reagan worked with Tip O'Neil countless times...

You really have no clue... "kill the dems and moderates"--brilliant, Reagan did not espouse those views... which is why he was so successful.

Thank god you do not run the party...

True republican instead of a socially, illiterate ideologue who would plunge our party in the bottom of the abyss.

Like I've said before When do we advance the ball?

We play defense always trying to stop things from going too far left. We never go on offense and push the ball over the 50 yard line.

The result...Dems score touchdowns and we lose.

if standing for liberty and justice and property rights and the constitution is being an ideologue I plead guilty as charged.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

malfunction? why do you keep attacking Rove? the libs hate this country, or at least what it stands for, they want to change it like a second wife. Why are we hearing all these lefty talking points tonight? we don't sound like Washington's troops at Trenton, we sound like a bunch of panzies who need a nap and some juice.

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but one rule in politics is adapting the message to the atmosphere we are running in (without changing the polcies)...

I am not bashing rove... his genius pulled victories when others predicted defeat... BUT

His approach this year would play into the dems hands... polls show people are sick of the harsh and bitter partisanship in congress and general campaigns.

We need to ADAPT and present a change agent, who can end the bitter partisanship, while espousing conservative principles... McCain/Huck do this better than any of our other candidates.

Rove would be essential in getting the voter turnout to peak as he did in 2004.

In a nutshell, I am simply saying Rove's approach of pitting our base against their base would play into Obama's strengths... against Hillary it would work.

He gives an insanely great speech and is able to touch his audience with his words.

McCain is annoying.

If it came down to the two of them I know how I would vote and I know how I would bet. I would hope against hope that I would lose my bet.

The one thing I am happy about is Hillary is even more annoying.
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prevent obama from getting nomination

mccain beats hrc in a walk.

_honey? I laugh at this because you guys don't even come close to understanding the Clintons. If Obama does win, he will have so much mud he will be digging out for months.

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I said I would bet he would win and hope I would lose my bet.
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would beat McCain. I am saying you are overstating Obama's chances and damning McCain with faint praise by saying you would vote for him.

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Molon Labe!

I make no secret of this.

While he may be our best candidate he is probably the one of the worst suited for the office.

So when I say I would vote for him, its not out of affiliation to him but out of desire to see the best for our nation.

I also think in your calculation you are seriously underestimating the level of restlessness and dissatisfaction in the nation. I also think you miss a critical part of making any negative campaign work. The media needs to give the stories legs. The media is positively moist at the thought of an Obama presidency. You might as well tell a 16 year old schoolgirl that the teacher she is in love with could not possibly leave his wife to return her affection.

He does not speak of socialism, merely of inspirational goals. So while he has a socialist agenda he does not articulate the socialism just the lofty goals. That can and does sell.

Thats what I worry about.
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bureacracy, not a bunch of dreaming people looking for inspiration. Hillary will win their primary, I would put it as 3 to 1 against Obama. He can not "trounce" the "horrible" McCain if he is not even running.

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has brought Socialism, Communism, Nationalism, Fundamentalism to the world time and again. I personally think Obama's unchecked rhetoric (and it will be unchecked by the MSM) will guarantee a Dem win in November... regardless of our nominee.

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Shrill Hill is going to have to reach into that bag of dirty tricks.
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Looks like it's McCain now, as tonight showed Romney just can't draw them out in the south; and that will sink the GOP's chances just as much as those who stay home on McCain.

So, I get to go out and campaign for the submariner of the conservatives; John McCain and drink afterwards. I think I know why so many used car salesman are rumored to drink a lot.

My personal choice will be Bass. What are you going to drink after having to have to go out and sell McCain ?

And Romney and Huckabee will live to fight another day.

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"It is the American sound. It is hopeful, big-hearted, idealistic, daring, decent, and fair. That's our heritage; that is our song. We sing it still."

-RWR January 21, 1985

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Molon Labe!

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Give the GOP voters a few weeks to realize how much a liability McCain is and Romney (or maybe even Huckabee) will start to rise in the polls.

McCain simply can not hold together a GOP coalition. It is not in his DNA.

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"It is the American sound. It is hopeful, big-hearted, idealistic, daring, decent, and fair. That's our heritage; that is our song. We sing it still."

-RWR January 21, 1985

Unfortunately, if it is over as you say, then the GOPs chances of winning the White House are very, very slim.

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"It is the American sound. It is hopeful, big-hearted, idealistic, daring, decent, and fair. That's our heritage; that is our song. We sing it still."

-RWR January 21, 1985

strong ticket!

we have broad coalition.... and will win

I could vote for Huckabee with no reservations, but not McCain.

The GOP would become "DEM lite" with McCain as the de facto leader, and who wants lite when you can have the full thing?

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"It is the American sound. It is hopeful, big-hearted, idealistic, daring, decent, and fair. That's our heritage; that is our song. We sing it still."

-RWR January 21, 1985

Aside from the fact that Huckabee is pro-life -- which McCain is too, by the way, and has an impeccable voting record to prove it -- do you know any of Huckabee's positions?

that Huckabee or Romney could hold together the GOP. For instance, I have no doubt that I would waste my vote for the Libertarian Party candidate, and try to get every friend I knew to do it, too, if Huckabee got the nomination. It's not like he'd have a shot at winning the General Election anyway.

As for Romney, he'd simply be the lesser of two evils for me in the general. That Massachussetts health care program still bothers me to my core. But, I'd hold my nose and vote for him.

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You probably won't ever see this, as it's like the 210th post on this thread...but that graphic you posted is the bomb. Is that yours or did you filch it from somewhere? A delightfully accurate way of putting things.

It's an old slogan, but a goodie.

Now that McCain is the front runner, the MSM and the Dems will start to take their shots at him, thus giving the remaining GOP voters a chance to see how foolish choosing him really is.

There are big states left where Romney can still perform very well: Texas, Washington, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

It's a long shot for the nomination, but at least Mitt (and Huckabee for that matter) can continue speaking for the conservatives. If nothing else thet will keep McCain from frolicking in the liberal end of the pool before he wants to.

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"It is the American sound. It is hopeful, big-hearted, idealistic, daring, decent, and fair. That's our heritage; that is our song. We sing it still."

-RWR January 21, 1985

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