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Just another Sunday. Here are some random stories:

McCain declares himself a "federalist":

"I'm a federalist," the Arizona senator said, emphasizing a division of power between the federal and state governments. "Only the things that the states can't do should the federal government do.

"Governments matter," he said, repeating the phrase three times for emphasis. "I want to work with you so we can keep more of the money in your state, and that means further tax cuts if necessary."

However, he said, some issues remain federal responsibilities, including border security.

TalkLeft has a run down of head-to-head state polls for swing states. Obama is starting ahead in most, although the biggest ones (OH, PA, FL, VA) look better than the smaller ones. Two biggest surprises (or outliers) are MA being Obama +2 and KS being McCain +6. I continue to believe the map will be different than 2004, but those two states were not on my radar.

And Ralph Nader will run as a 3rd party candidate. Will he puncture Obama's "post-partisan" appeal by calling out his rhetoric-without-substance or will he fade into the background as a perennial loser?


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He never really seemed much of a Federalist as a Senator.

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And he campaigned for a state marriage amendment while opposing the FMA. That's pretty darn federalist.

He opposed the slow takeover by the federal government of health care, recently opposing Bush's Prescription Drug Benefit.

He voted against the Transportation Pork Bills, which is partly because it takes the power of assigning transportation needs from the state, funnels it through Congress, and then has people in DC decide what deserves funding (usually based on seniority rather than need).

And his major national efforts have been part of national issues (immigration, foreign policy, War, judges, anti-pork, national campaign finance).

I wonder what his views on OR's euthanasia law and CA's medicinal marijuana law is? If he believes they have the right to do as they please, he'd be the most federalist President we've had in my lifetime.

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Are we redefining federalism to include support for additional regulations and oversight by the Congress on baseball players, political ads on TV, medicine suppliers, and all industry that discharges greenhouse gases?

If the rules are transparent and clear, and if the state has no author­ity to license businesses or restrict exports and imports, there will be no opportunities to pay bribes in those areas. Mart Laar

If you're looking for Calvin Coolidge, good luck. But among politicians in existance today, I'd count McCain on the side of the federalists.

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Federalism has to do with state vs. federal. Federal political ads should NOT be regulated by the states. Global warming and environmental policy should NOT be regulated by the states. If they are going to be regulated (a different debate), they are national concerns that don't follow boundaries.

Baseball is a federally regulated monopoly, again it makes no sense for each state to regulate it.

McCain is the most Federalist candidate we've had since Goldwater (yes, more than Reagan who nationalized the Drug War and the drinking age).

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A supporter of free market capitalism would strive to keep government and business as far apart as possible. Let businesses fail in the free market when they need to. They all want to crush laissez-faire capitalism to varying degrees. Stiff rules and regulations on businesses is not a new, and places where it was tried and failed badly are now moving away from it. (ie Ireland & Iceland)

If the rules are transparent and clear, and if the state has no author­ity to license businesses or restrict exports and imports, there will be no opportunities to pay bribes in those areas. Mart Laar

Move those goalposts. This wasn't about being a "free market capitalist," it was about being a federalist.

And I stand by the fact that McCain is the most federalist nominee from either party since Goldwater, your goalpost moving notwithstanding.

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want to do. I would love to compare McCain to Barry, I hope there is a reason to do so.

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Molon Labe!

McCain is the most federalist nominee from either party since Goldwater, who also wants to impose more Federal regulations and price controls on businesses than any Republican nominee since Nixon. While I am agreeing with you on the first part of the previous sentence I have no illusions that you'll agree with me on the last part.

If the rules are transparent and clear, and if the state has no author­ity to license businesses or restrict exports and imports, there will be no opportunities to pay bribes in those areas. Mart Laar

I was only arguing that we have the most fedralist nominee since Goldwater.

I think McCain will be much like Bush on regulation but with a better team around him (Phil Gramm gets a lot of face time). His instinct is more for small government with some exceptions, I think Bush's instinct was that government could solve problems.

I don't see evidence of price control (esp. Nixon style) in his record. He wants to cut the corporate tax rate to compete with other countries. He supports personal retirement accounts. He supports school choice (more than Bush does and he ran to Bush's right on this in 2000). He opposes Obama-style socialized health care.

I don't think he is an ideological pro-market guy. But his instinct and his economic team seem to fall on the pro-market side of things much more often than not.

I'd say he's the least pro-market R nominee since Bush. :)

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_ been for decades, including under Reagan. The reality is major companies such as Boeing, have always had the government lobbying for them and working with them to win international business. McCain is not some change from GWB, GHWB, and in some ways, even RWR.

We will never have an ideal free market. In fact, we are consistently ranked well behind Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, and others. Countries such as Ireland are actually much more business friendly. And these days you can throw in the UK, Spain, even Russia when you are talking about lower corporate taxes etc. Heck, the Ruskies have a flat tax and we probably never will!

McCain may not be a "free market conservative" but he is the closest thing we have, get used to it and vote accordingly sir.

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Molon Labe!

the average dope believes in it, maybe it is a prereq to election these days. I think McCain should talk more about his opposition to the Bush prescription drug take over. I think it could help rally conservatives, but again, one of those things the lemmings love.

This country is either going to have a McCain presidency or we are going to move towards a European socialist model, without their cultural simmilarities that make the model almost work. WE are either going to have a McCAin presidency, or more and more people in the know will move their investments and business abroad.

I think the time to criticize McCain and talk of abstract ideals is long over. We are either going to keep Republicans in charge, give ourselves time to create a new consensus, or we are going to wander in the dessert. It is now an either or situation, the primary is OVER.

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Molon Labe!

is merely playing rope-a-dope with his sudden conversion to the Universalist Church of Manmade Global Warming. Assuming he wins in November, I hope he will have another epiphany and rediscover American Exceptionalism to worship.

They have all agreed that global warming is at least partially human-caused. They differ on what should be done, but it's not like there was a choice of someone who disagreed on AGW.

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That's a bold statement. I'm not sure which "Rs" you are talking about, but I can find a few who are not convinced that man made global wrming exists or has any significant impact. Regardless, McCain-Lieberman is horrible horrible piece of legislation and most Republicans are noweher lose to gonig that far to increase government power and regulations and stifle our economy for a fariy tale.

I'm going off this chart based on a CBS debate where the major candidates all agreed about AGW.

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I know it's not PC around here, but I don't consider Fred a major candidate. If I did, I'd have to include Paul too. He didn't win any state (or come in second), he didn't raise much, and he wasn't a factor off-line.

But you are correct that he probably wouldn't. That is true of other Rs as well, just not of the major candidates who had a chance at the nomination.

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Do you count Giuliani? What's your measurement? delegates?

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but I think he affected the race in several ways. He raised the most money (Romney spent the most) which kept those donors away from the other candidates. He shaped the debate b/c of the rise of the anti-Rudy faction.

I don't see Fred having any impact on the ultimate race. I understand that is a debatable point and reasonable minds can differ.

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This is a lame quote,

"I have been to Greenland, I have been to the South Pole. I’ve been to the Arctic and I know it’s real. I believe that we’ve got to go back to nuclear power. We’ve got to do alternative energy. We’ve got to have a cap in trade proposal which Joe Lieberman and I have proposed. … And unfortunately, we have not acted either as a federal government or a Congress." - John McCain

One visit to a place means nothing. The earth's clmate is in constant climate fluctuation. McCain looks ridiculous when he makes statements like this. It's the equivelent of someone looking in their backyard and saying, "gee we haven't had any snow this year, I know global warming is real."

the news says it is due to global warming.

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Molon Labe!

the hype....it is the biggest lie since the 70's when we were all going to freeze to death...but if it gets you votes and personally cost's you (McCain) nothing..what the hey!

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

All the major R nominees for President (Huck, Romney, McCain and Rudy) believe that humans partially cause global warming. So there wasn't much difference in the primary.

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McCain-Lieberman was a huge difference

There is a single reason that baseball gets federal attention - it has been granted, by Congress, an express exemption from the federal anti-trust law, and is clearly a matter of interstate commerce (being a national sports league). The hearings and attention usually come with the underlying subtext that Congress is trying to insure that giving MLB, the NFL, and other such sports associations an effective monopoly is in the interest of the public (or if maybe there should be some allowance for new professional sports leagues).

Since I doubt that even most federalists would say that antitrust regulation and actual interstate commerce are not federal concerns (to the extent that they are or should be regulated at all), there is no reason to think that those who are willing to look at these organizations are somehow "anti-federalism."

I'm aware of no such law. Congress had nothing to do with the so-called exemption. However, there was the Supreme Court case when the Federal League sued the National League,and the court ruled that baseball was not interstate commerce merely because one team travelled across state lines to play a game somewhere else, and therefore the league was immune to federal antitrust law.

Is that what you mean?

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The rules have changed Neal. The current understanding of the Commerce Clause would clearly allow federal regulation of professional sports as interstate commerce. Even with the gains made in restraining the scope of the clause in the last decade or so, the antitrust laws could very well reach baseball if Congress so chose. Baseball must think as much - every time Congress calls for something Selig and the bunch rush to comply as members of Congress rattle the antitrust exemption over their head.

Whether the exemption is statutorily expressed or is judicial, the facts are that I would doubt that any Court would step in and invalidate a congressional statute that applied antitrust law to MLB. So, in effect, Congress does control the exemption. The 1953 case involving the Yankees basically said as much. The fact that the modern game has been centralized in the corporate offices doesn't help - the 1922 case based its holding mainly on the idea that the leagues were not the control points - that they were umbrella organizations that did very little and that the "business" of baseball was conducted by individual clubs who were each an intrastate entity. Since modern baseball is very much controlled from the League offices - see revenue sharing, the master labor agreements with the players' union, merchandising and media rights, etc. - we clearly are in a new era.

I doubt that MLB would want to try their luck in the courts today as they'd probably lose, as well they should. Times have changed, and I have to wonder whether, absent congressional action, MLB relying on the 1922 case isn't asking to be brought to court by any rival baseball organization - or by one of its own member clubs to the extent it does not like the rules (there was talk of this when MLB looked like it was going to fold the Expos and Twins rather than move the Expos to DC).

Though any little discomfort he can provide to the democratic nominee is all right by me. A few votes here, a few votes there. Who knows?

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today: Wisconsin & New Mexico, almost identical results

These were among the closest in 2004, I believe Wis stayed blue by 10,000 votes, NM red by a smaller margin.

Wis:
Obama 44, McCain 43
McCain 50, Hillary 38

New mexico
Obama 44, McCain 44
McCain 50, Hillary 38

Wisconsin, along with Minnesota and Oregon, strike me as states mcCain could win in the general. Pennsylvania also looks good.

...to some degree.

While McCain may not be as strong as Bush in parts of the south (I still think he'll win it), he will compensate that by being stronger in areas that Republicans have been losing ground in as of late - notably Wisconsin, Penn, & Minnesota.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

I have confidence that McCain will win in the Fall, but am not so sure about Minnesota. Living in MN for my entire 41 years on this earth, I have little confidence in Minnesota voting republican for president.

I don't think Pawlenty as a runnning mate will impact the way Minnesota swings either. I will admit my bias to not being a Pawlenty fan, he's a global warming nut which drives literally to the point of insanity. That said he's popular, but don't believe he has the pull to get MN into the McCain camp.

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Ralph Nader watching the Green Pary Debate in San Francisco 1/13/08. Nader declined to debate the other candidates but made a statement after the debate. Photo by me for some lefty free newspaper.

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Mr. Dodgy is a 'anybody but Clinton' lefty and you should take anything he says with a pinch of salt. And probably a shot of tequila. Or two.

I assume it is in French, but telling some joker to "get lost dumb ass" is always comical.

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Anyone listen to what the weapons inspectors said when they got back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9lWNEctvLs

Normally I can find something: screaming about neocons, babbling about oil pipelines or depleted uranium, trash-talking about Jews, that sort of thing. This one's been careful about covering his tracks, which is downright stunning, given the generally low intelligence levels we've come to typically expect from members of the hardcore antiwar movement. Heck, it's even an open thread.

So, no, I'm not gacking him - and yes, I'm just as amazed as the rest of you are at that. :)

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