Super Tuesday: Evening Open Thread
Polls start closing at 7 PM Eastern in GA
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[UPDATE 8:18, Moe Lane]: CNN's covering all of today's races here. They've already called Illinois for Obama, with 0% in... which sounds about right, really.
Exit Polls are being released. Note first that these are not complete because not everyone has voted. Second, they don't release numbers ahead of time unless they are leaked. And third, there isn't much surprising in this batch. But the link has what they released to the press.
[UPDATE 6:27] Exit Polls with numbers from the Corner. Again, this are not final because voters are still voting.
[UPDATE 6:51 (Dan McLaughlin)] Also via Geraghty, MyDD has the D-side exits. Obama walking off with the South by huge margins, and leading as far north as MO, MA, DE & NJ. Hillary winning favorite-daughter status in her adopted home of AR but getting squashed in her actual home state of IL, and winning OK handily.
[UPDATE 7:00] GA polls are closed, results will be here. CNN calls for Obama immediately.
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What, Obama/Clinton are doing something other than talking about $CHANGE$?
Sucking pond water - sounds like they are finally doing something useful for the country.
Erik
Huh, and here I was thinking only anti-capitalist lefties derided money by using the "$" sign derisively like that...
Fresh from Iraq;
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If these are correct, there are some surprises. I didn't expect Romney to take Missori, but thought he would take California.
Still, its early, so a lot can change.
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On Fox I just saw the graphic that there are 6 million Americans living abroad who are eligible to vote.
WE HAVE 12 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THIS COUNTRY -- AND THERE ARE ONLY 6 MILLION AMERICANS LIVING ABROAD?
What is wrong with this picture?
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How is this supposed to be surprising. Dang straight more people want to be Americans than Americans want to be something else.
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Americans working and volunteering abroad is how we keep on top of the global economy. We want our spoons in everyone else's soup.
I am still predicting a close delegate count when this is done.
My previous prediction was
McCain 577
Romney 429
Huckabee 270
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/lobo/2008/feb/04/likely_result_after_super...
And I still think it is valid. I even acurately predicted that Huckabee would take West Virgina. Although, I think there is a chance that Romney and Huckabee will do a little better and McCain a little worse.
That exit poll shows McCain up in CA. But they can't reflect the absentee and mail-in ballots right? Anyway, it all looks pretty close, I was surprised at AZ!
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It is possible that Huck will have more delegates than Romney after tonight. That could change, but he's winning Southern states. If Romney wins WTA MO then nevermind, but Huck could be #2 after the dust settles.
Also note, that even if AZ is 44-39, it's WTA. While MA gives Romney a big lead, it's proportional. That's a lucky break for the McCain camp.
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According to Fox News exit polls which said that western states are not as represented (Romney country) McCain led among republicans by 40 to 36!!! Only. That's taking into account huge New England states. And McCain was seriously trailing among conservatives.
This is not going to be a blow out. Conservatives came to Romney and GOP is split.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Don't forget Delaware, its also WTA, but only 18 delegates. East coast numbers are more important than east coast.
But it would be better the McCain (not much mind you).
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He's the only CONSISTENT pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, pro-small government, anti-tax guy on the ballot.
I'll support McCain in November.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Romney is running very close to McCain nationwide. He is doing well even in AZ, he is doing decently in NY and NJ. He is winning DE and possibly MO. He will win a bunch caucus states. Huckabee will steal southern states from McCain.
The game is still on. I am just hoping to knock the air of inevitability out of McCain hard.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Even if Romney makes a race of it in California, it likely won't make a difference and McCain will still be way ahead after today.
The Democrat race is far more muddled than the GOP race.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
You may be right, but after today the states get much more Red. If Romney hangs tough, he can rebound.
Also, remember in the West, its only 3:30, and a lot of Romney's supporters work, so they will vote later.
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But I second Cowboy. It would be kind of humorous to watch you blow your top because Romney keeps going.
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Two things I believe. #1, no one is going to be eliminated today. #2, I am not going to get much sleep tonight.
Saga cheese, some decent bread, and prepare for the apocalypse.
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Myself? I've got an excellent bottle of pinot grigio for victory, and some Southern Comfort should it not go so well.
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with a tawny port or madeira. Then again, it is all good :)
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No way... I definitely need an excellent dry red with Saga on French bread. Sweet wines disguise the wonderful flavor of the mild soft blue cheese. Now maybe with a harsher blue cheese, that may work...heh.
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meaning... My fingers are way too fast for my brain at this age...heh.
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I only drink Cab with real farmhouse Cheddar. I do agree Saga is mild, I have even opened a whole round and found it completely white :(. I suggest getting both, and comparing them, and with a bottle of champagne too. In the end, at least you get three bottles of wine :)
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someone who I would never consider nor want running the white house. I'm sickened that it has come to this. I belong to a party more concerned about winning than nominating the leader of the free world.
To make matters worse, I get a nasty look from the lady validating my signature when I declare I will be voting Republican. (NJ is full of commies/dems).
To then make matters even more worse, (yes, it gets worser), I go into the booth and can't figure out what the heck is going on! Everywhere I look, these spanish words are staring back at me and I have no idea what is going on!! I have to exit and ask the attendant if I'm in the wrong booth. He pointed out that I had to examine the machine more closely, the English is UNDER the spanish.
So. Needless to say I am not too happy right now, learning that English is a second language now in America. Knowing that people can come to this country and not have to bother to learn the language that our laws are written in. Angry that I can't understand who's on the ballot anymore. Angry that this party is no longer the party of Lincoln, Roosevelt and Reagan.
As a republican and christian I am torn. I have always believed IN people and am FOR things. This country was founded on principles to believe in, not against. I hate being AGAINST people and things, it seems so un-american and seems to be pointing at the state of the union this Super Tuesday evening.
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Fortunately, I'm from a nice English-speaking district with a good Republican population. Yup, that one. So it was quite pleasant.
I voted for Thompson btw, with his name right there I couldn't do any less. Somehow I don't think he'll win though. :(
News pundits, especially Fox News, who has been calling this for McCain before the voting has even started.
Waaah!!
McAmnesty!!
Juan McCain!!!
John McVain!!!
Sorry, just felt like taking a poke at those afflicted with McCain Derangement Syndrome.
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Señor McShamnesty. You have to get the tilde, though.
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Didn't see Neil's post before I posted. Guess I shouldn't even joke about this and will avoid in the future.
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I can't really tell to be honest.
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and we will have some real results.
7 PM -- Georgia
8 PM -- Bunch of key states -- missouri, Delaware, Illinois, Mass, Alabama, Oklahoma, Tenn (not counting the ones that are uncontested). If Romney wins 2 or more of these, then he's not in bad shape.
Bunch of other states North dakota,Minnesota,Delaware, Montana, Alaska, Colorado have caucuses. Who knows?
11 PM California.
Shouldnt we be hearing some stuff from Georgia by now???
No surprise there, really, but it's been officially called.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I could have sworn that you were a Rombot. What happened? (This should go with you "Voted Ron Paul" comment, but just is case your kidding I put it down here, heh ;))
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use the word "Dude"... Irksome and so California...
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This looks like a three-way 32-32-32 race from the male/female exit polls question.
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McCain is 2 points behind, and Romney is slightly ahead of Huck
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
I am wrong, Huck is slightly up :)
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
And it also means that no one will call that race until there are a lot of actual votes in.
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I am going to predict that Romney will squeak out a victory over Huckabee, with McCain in 3rd.
By 1 point :)
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http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#GAREP
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Just voted here in Jersey. 6 votes total that I can guarantee went to Romney. 2 votes out in CA also toward Romney.
There were no other issues on the ballot here except for the primary, i'm hoping that McCain supporters out here will think he's got such a far lead in the polls there's no need to vote, and Romney will surge.
Man, Georgia is slow at this n/t
Blacks were 52% of the vote, Whites were 44%. Obama won blacks, 86-13. Clinton won Whites by only 54-43.
If that's a more general breakdown, Obama can win a lot of states like MO, CA, NY, NJ, etc.
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I don't even care about the Republican primary anymore. I'm a nervous wreck about the Democrat race though.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Too much conjecture. Ten months is a long time. I look at Obama like a national Deval Patrick and Patrick is quickly turning into a big time joke. The luster will whither. Substance and scurity can prevail. Obama is a piece of fluff, which time will expose.
this is looking like Obama blowout...
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Hey - I am going to be doing interviews tomorrow morning up here in Canada...I'd love some more one liners (The "Hillary and Obama both suck pond water" is great. Keep them coming.
We (Albertans) are now in an official election! It's campaign fever!
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So do we start considering that they actually might nominate Obama?
Yuck.
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went from Obama with a 40% chance of winning the nomination yesterday to 60% right now.
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it is a very red state. Obama beats Huck 55/45
McCain beats Obama 55/45
That means McCain may have to defend UTAH for heck sakes!
I dont remember where I linked to the poll.
I guess that's about what voted in WV :)
McCain 202
Huck 149
Romney 140
I think they should just call it now... that's insurmountable.
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If those exit polls are right on the Dem side, Obama will walk away from Super Tuesday with more delegates and all the momentum. I'm afraid we may be up against the toughest Dem, electorally speaking.
Those are just for GA. Maybe they are the same everywhere, but for the record, those are just GA voters.
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Sorry for not being clear. I was referring to the exit polls at MyDD linked in the update above. They look real good for Obama.
in MT caucuses...
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
The Donkeys must run the polling places in Georgia. This is so slow, it borders incompetence.
I always recall a 30-60 minute delay after polls closed. I think the electronic counts have sped that up for some places. Maybe GA is still on paper.
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Then again, I'm in Cobb, which is one of the richest counties in Georgia. (Newt's old district covered about half of Cobb.)
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georgia (1%)
McCain 38%
Huck 28%
Romney 27%
That Montana "invitation caucus":
Romney 16%
McCain 13%
Paul 10%
Huck 5%
Again, these are percentages, not delegates. Make sense to me however.
*Drinks some pinot grigio* Time to adjust my tallies
Georgia isn't even at one percent yet. At this rate, we'll know the results of California first.
AP and some local organizations can get results directly from the polling sight. Most votes will be tallied by closing polls down-driving the counters/machines to the election commission. Then votes are counted. Uusually only votes from absentees or votes from polling stations at an election commission are counted in less then 1/2 hour.
I have (as a certified observsor) got results and called them in to REP HQ in past elections. This is not just a big internet poll. People actually have to close down machines, pack up election-poll books, turn off the lights and left the building 1st.
They've updated the exit poll numbers with more people... Huck is way up with women. McCain still 3rd.
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The new batch makes it 33-31-30 according to the exit polls. That means Huck has a 40% chance, Romney 33% and McCain 27%... roughly.
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states very soon :) some of the slowest ever.
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Yay...
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Got a friend who is supporting Obama who is delerious with happy hyperness right now!
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He/She will start crying. The "change" he keeps talking about is good ole plain, drab, soul crushing socialism.
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But I was drinking something. Don't make me spit all over the keyboard!
Come up short...ha!
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I got it because Madison is one of my favorites so I know the little things. Little things! Yeah...it didn't work. Hard to follow your line though.
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Final fight scene between Johnny and Daniel.
That should hold you over until the rest of the 8PM eastern polls close.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Good call, have it on right now.
"Sweep the leg..."
Looking at the CNN Georgia exit poll, it shows quite a bit of difference in vote based on region of Georgia, with each candidate having areas of strength. It's probably safe to say that each candidate will be the winner in some of Georgia's 13 congressional districts (delegates per win). Still, the big prize is the statewide winner who walks away with 30 delegates plus whatever district delegates won.
While some conservatives are whining about stopping McCain and his possible murder of the party, the real villain is killing us with a smile.
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“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
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Big mistake for McCain to go there and campaign. He made it a race rather than an afterthought.
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looks like he benefits from staying in.
huckabee may actually be hurting McCain just as much as Romney.
They didn't want to help Huck, but their dissent on McCain helped Huckabee make a case.
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I hope Romney gives him a run for his money, if for no other reason than to force McCain to reach out to conservatives and stake out more solidly conservative positions.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Huck may be the best VP to shore up that base... even though Huck does not have the support of radio-talk show host conservatives.
Most have figured out that the VP means nothing and vote for the presidential nominee. I could care less who he picks as VP, he can NOT get my vote. Thanks to the internet, knowledge has spread regarding this old and otherwise viable solution in politics - won't work today.
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FNC is calling races with less that 1% of the vote? What is going on here?
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but, it would serve McCain right if Huckabee came back to beat him for the nomination.
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to Mitt Romney.
And it looks like it might happen. I'm momentarily sad but I do beleieve GA is giving me a little comfort.
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Huck supporters shouldn't get too comfortable about a GA win. Rural precincts will come before the more densely populated, upscale, urban parts of the state. Just my two cents, but a Romney win in GA wouldn't surprise me.
I saw the check mark, and I was thinking they were calling it. They are just showing who is in the lead. My Apologies.
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It may be close, and it may go to the convention, so you McCain Kool-aid drinkers may take a second look.
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the nomination. Actually, that is only the least of his worries now. The likelihood of him winning the presidency is nil...
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is that all these states jumped on Feb. 5th so that they could have a say, and they could be really important. Now it turns out that the states that kept their primaries in March and April may be the ones that get the ultimate say.
Does anybody now doubt that Texas and Ohio on March 4th and potentially even PA on April 22nd will be getting plenty of attention from the candidates?
This "we want to be early so we get a say" has actually created LESS clarity rather than more.
When florida was going on ...Fox didn't call it until it was well determine that MccCain was going to Win (50K+ votes, etc)
But now...they are calling states for McCain or Huckaabee with 1%-10% of the vote in?
This is sickening....I love Fox News, and I am a Romney supporter, but to call a state with only 1-10% in? that is weird.
we know it is not an exact science, but it is a science. I seriously doubt they are calling states by which candidate they prefer.
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Actual votes from the 8 PM states:
McCain leads in Tennessee and Oklahoma. Huck leads in georgia, Alabama and Missouri.
Romney comes in a distant third in all these states. Doubt Romney will win a single southern state in these primaries.
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McCain leads in the Montana Caucus 39% to Mitt 35%.
Huckabee is having a great day!
My favorite that I have come across so far tonight. Now I just need to get the results to customize to what I want.
If he get a decent amount of delegates tonight... he will not get out.. he will take this to the convention.
Get ready for 1976 all over again.
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Gerald Ford may have been an establishment NE republican- but at least he didn't go around pissing on the conservatives just for kicks.
By the way, does any one else find it disturbing that the Winner take all states are concentrated in New England, basically giving New England Republicans an exaggerated influence in this primary?
It was rigged to help Giuliani, but... heh.
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I wont be posting anymore tonight... will give my thoughts int he morning.
Romney is in 3rd in most of those states.
1. McCain, 2. Thompson, 3. Giuliani, 4. Romney
Romney would do better... I think that it is just a rebellion against McCain rather than real votes for a candidate.
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Several things are standing out, and they are not good for Romney, nor for the GOP.
McMentum is over, if it ever existed. He is a one dimensional candidate whom is seriously handicapped. He appeals to Indies and Moderates, and that's it. Sadly, he is also one of our strongest candidates.
Huckabee is still in this race, sadly. He competes with Romney for the conservative vote, in the South. His campaign and draw are laughable, but as long as people go to his church in droves they vote for him in droves as well. It is also not safe to say that these conservatives would follow the lead of national conservatives and vote for Romney if Huckabee weren't in the race.
A McCain/Huckabee ticket is the death of the party. McCain needs conservatives, granted. But Huckabee's conservative draw is confined to Southern Evangelical voters, and by the rest he is considered to be a liberal. So this dog don't hunt. I doubt McCain can win without him, so that will leave this thing in an interesting conundrum.
Romney is the conservative choice. He does not appeal to those that think his faith is a cult, but we don't know if that disparage would disappear minus the stimulus of a Huckabee campaign. However, Indies and Huckies seem to be outside his draw.
Bottom line; no one is running away with this thing tonight, or probably at all.
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McCain being rejected by Conservatives and his own constituents. Great candidate there.
Wow, romney's campaign has been riddled with bad luck and close calls. I always thought, there would be a suprise state for him. If he pulls this off wow.
He will probably lose< but just the fact that it is this close shows how weak john Mccain really is
McCain is winning his home state by a larger margin than Romney is winning his. No matter how weak McCain is, Romney is weaker.
You may say that people who stand my their principles are "delusional." That is fine. See how delusional we are in November. Conservatives told you, we have had enough of McCain. You want to nominate him anyway. It is the death of conservatism and, for the first time in my life I will not be voting Republican for President. It is time the party and those snotty nosed moderates, who say it is the party, you will support us no matter who we nominate, learn that it just is not going to be that way anymore.
McCain, by what he and Paul did today in West Virginia, despite Romney being the first choice of delegates by a long shot, show that he is more interested in himself than in truth. To support a bigot like Huckabee shows where he and his mother truly are.
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That's great, I'm sure the Democrats and the KOS kids will greet you with open arms. They will love you, respect you, listen to you, and perhaps even pander to you. You will then be a happy camper and you can get the Donks to legislate morality so you will be happy happy happy...joy...joy...joy.
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book but a bigot? Ummmm...I wouldn't toss that phrase around lightly so...care to explain?
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
That's a heavy accusation. You should back charges like that.
1. McCain, 2. Thompson, 3. Giuliani, 4. Romney
"Don't they believe Jesus and Satan are brothers"
I doubt Huckabee is a bigot personally, but he was perfectly willing to play that card to gain a political advantage.
How are you all reacting to the Dem wins so far?
It looks like Hillary is hanging onto Northeast minus DE and possibly CT
She'll probably do bad in all mountain states though
If this al stays true is it a good night for her?
Hillary looks 90% at least to carry NJ. The way the counties are coming in, I'm not sure where Obama's gonna make up a margin.
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They already called NJ for Hillary. She won NY, NJ, MA in north east yet she is behind in CT right now.
You ridicule does not help your cause any. That snotty nosed attitude is what will be the GOP this year more than anything else.
Bigotry is the way Huckabee has addressed the Mormon issue. And the post on this site from someone in Utah shows that it is not gone unseen there in Utah. Utah voted 70% for evangelical George Bush in 2004. It always votes Republican, yet the polls show a 55-45 win for Obama over Huckabee in Utah. It also show just a 55-45% win, at this time for McCain. If McCain picks Huckabee as his running mate, there is no way he will carry Utah either. And, if it is so pronounced there, how do you shift millions of Mormons from the Republican Party who live in every state in this nation and still hope to win? It simply cannot be done.
So, go ahead and laugh and ridicule all you want. It gets you nowhere and gets the party no more votes, even among those who have been the party's staunchest supporters.
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I thinking of a word to describe the pea brained logic that you might resort to that would cause the good people of Utah, LDS or not, to vote for the sort of socialism and liberal values of Hillary or Obama.
I can't so I'll just say....
Haaaaaa HAAAAA Haaaa you one funny RomenyBot. You should do develop a stand-up comedy act and take it on the road. Really...you're funny.
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What you do not see is that attacks on people do not keep them in your corner.
What LDS have taken in this election cycle is over the top.
Tell me, my friend, how do you vote for someone who attacks you, tells you, even though you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, that you are not a Christian?
How can you expect someone to vote for you under those circumstances?
Evangelicals and Mormons have worked together for so many years on so many issues because our values are so similar. And, evangelicals have come courting to Salt Lake to get LDS help, and now they say, oh, you are a Mormon, you cannot be President. We have seen the evangelicals on TV stating they cannot vote for a Mormon. Do you think we are blind? We have seen these evangelicals say on TV, I would vote for Hillary before I would ever vote for a Mormon. Again, do you think we are blind and will just, again, fall in line?
Harry Reid, though I do not agree with hardly any of his politics, is treated properly in the Democrat Party. He is not maligned because he is a Mormon.
You just cannot continue socking it to someone and expect them to be there when you need them. It just does not work that way.
And, it is too bad, as we have reapportionment coming up soon and with the Democratic takeover being even more apparent than it was previously, we are going to be hurting for many years because of the split that this has caused.
Our issues are going to suffer. I wonder, was the bigotry worth it? Was the class warfare worth it? Was the sarcasm worth it?
As I remember, and Huckabee liked to quote scriptures in his talk from Little Rock tonight, there is a scripture which also says, Love one another. Where is the love from these people to the LDS people, who have always supported them IN THE PAST?
Although they might for Obama.
More likely they'll stay home, or vote for the Constitution Party candidate.
What do you think a Catholic would do if someone on his parties ticket was known to have commented: "I don't know much about what Catholics believe. Don't they think that communion is an act of canabalizism?"
You are right. While growing up with a Catholic step-father, I often heard it said that Catholics pray to Mary because of the rosary. After having it explained by him, I learned that is not really what they were doing, they were praising a pure person and being devoted in what they were doing. But, protestants called it idolatry.
Catholics, if you check the evangelical literature, just like Mormons, are considered, by them a cult.
And, I will not stay home and will not vote for the Constitution Party. I agree with most of what they say, but when it comes to our security, they have not a clue as to radical Islam. At least we know where Hillary and Obama are. And, Hillary has shown a proclivity not to be too committed to withdrawing immediately.
And, as much as I support our effort in Iraq, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to say, as McCain, has that we may be there for 100 years. Can you say Stupid?
And, as said previously, the economy is going to be the issue and McCain has no clue.
Also, McCain will be taken to task on Keating 5 and Huckabee will be taken to task on his ethics problems from when he was Governor of Arkansas.
And, without the whole-hearted support of conservatives, even if they come back and vote Republican for President, who is going to do all the leg work needed to be done to get Republicans elected? Moderates and liberals have never done that.
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for county by county maps of the states. I'd really like to know who has reported so far to see if the percentages would likely hold up.
Based on my rankings when this whole process started, I had Huckabee #7 & McCain #8 (any guesses as to #9?). But all of a sudden this thought struck me--if Huckabee and McCain end up with the most delegates (not counting Mitt out yet but bear with me here), I actually get a ticket that I could almost live with.
I've always questioned McCain's social bonafides (specially on judges) but respected his Iraq/foreign policy stances. I love Huck on his social positions (judges, et al) and his 2nd ammendment stance but found his foreign policy bona fides to be woefully naive. Now...if I could just get Romney in as 2nd VP for the economic leg......
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Maybe Mitt Romney can be convinced to do it in a bid to stop the McCain/Huckabee ticket coming at us.
Do you think Huckabee delegates could be persuaded to vote for Thompson over McCain?
Huckabee delegates go to Thompson...hmmm....don't thinks so :-)
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I could possibly see that happening. He was my second to begin with, so I could sport a "Rombots for Fred" logo.
But, with the family situation and all, I don't see that happening. Alas, I believe that, if Mitt doesn't pull out a miracle, I'm looking forward to a very depressing winner in the Oval Office, no matter who it might be.
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What if you take the two and end up getting the worst of both worlds? McCain asking what Huckabee thinks on foreign policy and economics, while sticking with his own views on judges, taxes, and everything else.
One quasi-conservative is enough. We don't need two.
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lemons you have to come along and ruin it :-)
Seriously, I've spent no shortage of time expressing my dislike for much of McCain's record by there isn't a doubt in my mind that he will stand firm in Iraq. There's also alot I don't like about Huckabee in the area of economics and especially foreign policy but he would be as tenacious on the social issues as McCain is on Iraq.
What would bother me is they both buy into the AGW gig and tend to get all class warfareish and the FisCon leg has gotten shafted royally by the Bush Administration so...that one would still give me heartburn but again, if I had to make lemonade out of lemons....
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I think Obama hoped for an upset in New Jersey and Massachusetts, plus I think he could keep the margin down in New York. They haven't called Missouri yet, but it looks like Hillary will win that. She's up by 20 pts (give or take) with over a third of the vote in.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Yeah but St Louis always comes in late and that sure to be Obama land
I think the CT lost and Minn are two surprising things so far. I thought Hillary would win both
Obama is going to win all those caucuses in ND, MT, ID, etc
St. Louis city proper is probably Obama territory, but St. Louis County (which is much larger) is more friendly to Hillary, at least demographically speaking. Regardless, Obama is going to have to make up about 20% with the remaining vote that is outstanding.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
McCain has overtaken Romney with 60% reporting...
you know...if he stuck to speeches like this and avoided the class warfare bull he may be a much more palatable candidate to more people.
I like the sports references that he tossed in there...esp the mention of the beating that Mizzou gave his Razorbacks.
I might actually have to go out and vote on the 9th. I was hoping McCain would have it all wrapped up but I'm sure Huckabee will campaign hard now in Kansas.
Romney looks done after tonight. He was suppose to be competitive in Missouri and Tennessee... and he's not. Unless he pulls out a win in California... he's in a lot of trouble. If he doesn't he's looking at only having won four states... unless he does go on to win Minnesota but it would still be viewed as worse than what was expected. Not good for his campaign.
Small, but winner take all. Just called.
MO is really interesting on Dem side as I thought would happen Obama is clocking Hillary with 56% and thats with only 15% and most of the usual Republican strongholds have gone for Hillary and are all in
I think Missouri may go for Obama and that would be a big lost for Hillary and seeing I rather face Hillary us
Obama is cleaning up in St. Louis City, and is beating her in the county, but not by as big of a margin. Obama is also beating her in Boone County, which is where the University of Missouri is. Hillary is winning basically everywhere else.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
At least looking the counties that still have numbers rolling in, they are places where he is doing well.
It's just 3 pts now with 81% in.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
A narrow lead keeps slipping until the upstart overtakes the leader after 99% of the vote comes in.
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...Hillary has been holding steady since about 80% of the vote. The higher the percentage of the vote in gets, the harder it will be for Obama to close the gap.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Does it matter for anything besides spin who wins Missouri for the Dems given the way they use their delegates.
But McCain just passed Huckabee!
And wherever men are fighting against barbarism, tyranny, and massacre, for freedom, law, and honour, let them remember that the fame of their deeds, even though they may be exterminated, may perhaps be celebrated as long as the world rolls round. ~ Winston Churchill
according to CNN.
97% counted, 3000 votes
The robocalls that went out in California the last couple days were over the top as well. Saying, Romney could not be trusted to be President because he had spoken against God. This was the same thing done in Florida.
I hope Huck and McCain are satisfied that they have torn the long lasting coalition of evangelicals and mormons apart by the bigotry and hatred.
Try winning without us.
Just thought I would start with something we all agree on.
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