Talk about no class: Barack Obama gives Hillary the middle finger. [UPDATED and bumped]

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After losing the debate tonight, Obama gave Hillary the finger today. I don't know if he intended to do that hand gesture in his pause while talking about Hillary, but it is obvious the crowd thought it was an intentional raising of the middle finger.

See for yourself:


Has a candidate for President ever shot another candidate the bird from stage?

[UPDATED:] The Baltimore Sun was at a different angle. Definitely one finger. Definitely the crowd knew what he was doing.

[Additional:] The Los Angeles Times points it out too. Ben Smith might want to look at the different angle before eagerly myth busting.


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Charlemagne is still dead.

Filed under the 'stuff we could have predicted' department.

It's just politics, Barack. It's not personal.

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I think h just did what we've all wanted to do to the Clintons n national tv.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."-Barry Goldwater
Rudy/Romney for VP-because someone's got to punch the hippies.

That's what I was thinking.

It might not have been intentional, but if it was, it makes me like him more.

Although I'd still use it to trash him in the general election.

This primary season keeps getting better and better!

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

I've scratched my face a few times with Ol' Middle. And people reacted to the "Clinton's in her element" comment IMO. But it's all good. This is what ya do to your political opponents: find something small and blow it up. Fair enough...

Maybe this was a Freudian slip. Although, I really kinda think he knew what he was doing.

Actually, I meant to say it was intentionally unintentional.

really?? people, he's scratching his face...stop, just stop...

You don't make that big of a pause to scratch your face.



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Earlier in the speech. With a different finger.

What an immature action. Maybe he can flip off Iran too! What a jerk..............NO OBAMA!!!!

This man pratices his speeches in front of a mirror ... nothing he does is by accident ... come on, who scrathes their face with THAT finger ...

The man is a coward ... go ahead, hide behind your "new politics" beard ... he may actually be worse than the Clintons ...

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[Well, at least you're not trying to post bigoted comments in other people's names. At least, not right now. - Moe Lane (note spelling).]

Can we please, please get a new editor for this site? We've gone from articles of substance and quality in the not-too-distant past to a constant barrage of innuendo and half-truths. Erick, please hand control of this site over to someone with even the slightest bit of journalistic integrity. It's gone from reinforcing Republican and Conservative ideas to throwing out tabloidish garbage at every possible chance. Maybe I'll find one article a day that I feel like I can pass along to my Independent friends, whereas a few years ago everything that made the front page was a great piece of work. You'd do best taking lessons from Pejman on writing articles of substance.

Also note, before you throw out "so and so used this address before, BLAM", it's a Tor address. You'll see it again. I know I wouldn't get banned outright for posting this with my normal account, but I would make your s**tlist. The last thing I need to deal with is every single comment I write being analyzed with a microscope for a bannable offense.

Seriously Erick, find another day job. You're ruining this site.

This speaks loudly to the character of the person. That is a valid issue when looking at someone for political office.



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As for integrity: Erick's posting under his own name. What's yours? Oh wait, you're using a network used by pedophiles and terrorists to conceal their operations. Never mind.

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Keep up the great work, Erick. Nevermind the whiney peanut gallery.

I hardly recognized you without the profanity, but the whining gave you right away.

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I agree that the main blog site has been diluted with a lot of these 8 line blogs. I appreciate the long rebuttals to Obama, (in particular one of the first ones that dealt with Obama and his state legislative mentor-Emilee Whidbee?), but stuff like this middle finger should go under the redhot.
The Tom Coburn comparison to a terrorist, an important one for us to see, got pushed down the page in less than 6 hours.
I'm just giving honest feedback.

Yes, I've seen it. :)

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I refuse to believe until I see it. Until then it's vaporware.

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We're plugging away, and fortunately have some good testing from some of our commenters to get us to the point where we can unleash every troll in the world on this thing.

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Well in case some people were really thinking that, now they have the answer!

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Absolutely agree. This isn't nearly as serious as the Coburn analogy.

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...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

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I actually do find this topic silly, especially when Sen. Obama in the past 3 days has 1) compared a Senator to a convicted terrorist and not apologized or explained the difference, 2) promised not to raise taxes on those making under $200K but on the same night said he'd consider lifting the SocSec tax that ends at $90K right now, and 3) dug the hole even deeper with his disrespectful comments about religious folks in small towns.

Those are evidence of his character. Whether there was one finger or two is taking our eyes off the ball.

Unfortunately, this dip had to go and make the argument in stupid terms that distract from what may have been a good point.

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no...he's REALLY just scratching his face. Most people don't watch themselves on video to see what the finger-scratch looks like...honestly let's waste some more time on things that don't matter though. It's completely worth it.

1.) Use reply to this so people know who you are talking to

2.) My wife, who is much more D inclined than I, immediately responded that there is no way that this wasn't on purpose. Keep in mind she teaches 7th graders so she sees this type of behavior all the time.



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um by kph1188

no disrespect to your wife, but the actions of 7th grade children are slightly different than constantly-scrutinized presidential candidates. Secondly, the crowd reaction is to his pause, which is certainly used to dramatic effect. He stopped talking, looked around, and i guess scratched his face. It literally makes no sense, why would a presidential candidate do something even Michael Vick feels bad about?

"[T]he actions of 7th grade children are slightly different than constantly-scrutinized presidential candidates."

Correction: they are supposed to be different.

I consider it supporting evidence that the front page of the New York Times today (printed edition) ran the following headline, except the print version is muccccch different from the web version.

"Clinton Uses Sharp Attacks in Tense Debate"

The print version of the paper phrases it:

"Clinton Uses Broad Attacks in Tense Debate"

Everyone knows the Times now wants Hillary to lose, but calling her a broad was a little bit much, even for the Times.

I'm telling you...one of these days, Bill is going push the button (he saved the codes) and all of his media enemies are going to just be completely vaporized...BOOOOOM

you are kidding right ... you use your middle finger by itself to scratch your face ?

Guess I was raised to use the middle finger with care because it might appear that I was shooting someone the bird ...

Its pretty obvious the crowd watching Obama thought he was giving her the bird ... so what is your response to them ?

I'd say the Obama supporters that were there are in a better position to tell us what he meant than you or I ... and they think he shot her the bird ... so I'm gonna go with the folks on scene and say, yes, he shot her the bird ...

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that twit that was crying for Britney on YouTube when I see your posts KPH.
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"He hasn't insulted Middle America in DAYS!"

Hee hee hee...

Politicians are not most people. Moreover, major presidential candidates are not even typical politicians. Candidates such as Obama go through hours and hours of prep work prior to making a public appearance, so as to avoid gaffes such as fingergate. Fingergate might very well say something about Obama's ability to operate in environments where his handlers are not in complete control.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

The crowd clearly got the message. And it seems to me he had a hard time keeping from busting up as he did it.

I can't believe he did that.

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this guy knows every time he steps to the podium how to act...that was calculated...

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
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And for the sake of a low-rent thrill, he pulls a little stunt that SURELY he had to know would further cheapen and tarnish his above-the-fray image. Or, more shred than tarnish.

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Protect the borders
Punch the hippies
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The roar from the crowd calls attention to and confirms the bird.

It's so 7th grade...like that entire Party.

You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

The Obamites have been very aggressive. Obama does himslef and the political process no favors by acting childish.

i've actually scratched my face with ONLY my middle finger, or my middle finger and another one you can't see cause the middle one's the biggest.

But he scratched his face earlier with his pinky. He's just ambifingerous or something.

PS: Is childish a race neutral term?

according to Whoopie, THAT is racist.
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Just a typical, small town, white girl...

I know- I do find it unbelievable that so many people were offended by that statement just because Whoopie was...

watching him give a speech with no sound on is sickening. Clearly he has watched videos of other orators like Mussolini because he always points his forefinger a certain direction, and crooks his fingers like preaching to retarded kids. He is a total fake and is totally out of his realm..

"Small town folks get bitter after which they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment."

when i read your comments without words they sound a lot smarter.

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
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" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

but let's get serious. is this a forum for real discussion or useless slander?

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Are you even from America?

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yes actually believe it or not. I mean if you consider "Obama is a Mussolini-like Marxist" to be telling the truth? God bless ya.

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" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

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let's see...Marx was the original defender of the prolateriat working class.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

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You used quotes to make it look like somebody made a statement that they didn't actually make.

Bored now.

Moe

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Friday afternoons rock on RS!

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
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Friday slackerssssss.

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And I'm telling you, for the second and last time: lose the attitude. Because I'm being nice.

Moe

PS: Libel. When it's written down, it's libel. Mind you, truth is a perfect defense there, too.

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...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

brush off his shoulders today...

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and if so, please explain to me how Obama is one of those.

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I do! And for starters involves complete atheism now tell me how Obama fits that bill?

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I mean remember he did attend his "hateful" church for 20 years...

it is "hateful" there is no love and forgivenss in that church...no sir....they are no more preaching the word of God or Christ in that church than they were in the Karl Marx "church".

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It took about a half-hour of legitimate conversation to get banned from posting on this site.

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
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...merely removes any doubt about whether I was right to put in the ban in the first place.

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I am a fairly new user here. And I would never claim to speak for Redstate, it's directors, nor it's moderators. But I am fairly confident in saying that "legitimate conversation" nor mere dissent is enough to get you banned.

All of us know this is a conservative community.

It has been my experience that those who enter here with opposing views are welcome as long as they keep postings thoughtful and considerate.

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doesn't equal SCARY LIBERAL!!!

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I was a far lefty myself. Not all lefties, but most lefties, question the very sanity and right to existence of those with whom they disagree. Do the lefties here understand that and can they admit it? They can come here to discuss and learn, but not insult. I don't go to lefty sites because all I would get is insults and obscenities.

You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

I was more of a social liberal and a moderate on fiscal and national security issues until my first post college paycheck.

In high school and early college, I was an "I am Woman" hear me snore, bra banning (the guys were sure supportive of my feminist ideals back then -- gee do you think it might have been the lack of a bra on an 18/19 year old?) ERA supporting idiot. But, thankfully Jimmy Carter cured me of all my liberal tendencies and I was wise enough to cast my first vote in a Presidential election for Ronald Reagan (a post election date, late November birthday saved me the lifelong disgrace and shame of voting for Carter)

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I was one of those teen/early twenties boys in the seventies who was very supportive of 18y/o girls "letting it all hang out".

I even had a feathered mullet and a polyester suit.

Life sure was nice before aids, the drug culture, and life in the fast lane caught up with us.

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because I'll bet it doesn't impress the super-delegates very much.

Seriously people? he was scratching his cheek with his middle and index finger. Watch the video again, or just think about it critically. If he actually was flipping her the bird, and if it was caught on camera, his campaign would end that second. Do you really think he would be that dumb? You can give me some snarky response to that if you like, but be serious. This is a ridiculous attempt to stir up controversy.

Ben Smith linked . Good blogger who deserves better than his usual comments section; hence, the rash of pouters.

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It is unbelievable that Obama so blatantly flips off Senator Clinton. It is shameful and also reflects poorly on the MSM that ignores this. Has campaigning devolved to a low where such boorish behavior is acceptable?

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The far left is angered that nothing of "substance" was debated this week between their candidates. The truth is that Obama was addressing that crowd in san francisco and speaking their AND his "language" when he belittled those that attend church (for non-political viability reasons) and own guns and do not support homosexual marriage. But, you see, that is what the far left has engaged brain cells long enough to know that speech is meant for them and NOT the general public. They would prefer the general public not know that Obama supports homosexual marriage, is against gun ownership and thinks that folks that go to church (for non-political viablity reasons) are morons and bitter imbeciles.

The thing is ABC did not want to bore their viewers (albeit solely hardcore Democratic voters) with the minutiae of whether Obama's campaign speech qualifies as being against the Iraq War before Hillary's campaign conversion against the war; and no one wanted to hear Hillary cackle for a half-hour about the "differences" between her "health care plan" vs. Obamas. No, what has the far left so upset is they wanted the Obama v. Clinto debate to be a three-way debate vs. McCain (without McCain actually being there). Shining a light on issues that the Obama campaign is eager to bring up in front of far left groups (and what he does on a regular basis, particularly homosexual groups) is definitely not want they want the "general public" to see or hear. That is why questions about the "bitter" comment, the US flag pin and other true reflections of his far-left wing views upset them so. Because the far-left agrees with Obama on homosexuals, guns and religion and his SF speech truly reflected his views as well.

I like how he complains it was their 21st debate and then complains it took 45 minutes to talk about what they've talked about in the first 20.

Is this the change we've been waiting for?

(1) Dry skin --- no, with skin that smooth and glowing, Barry must be using moisturizers that contain abortion placentas.
(2) Insect bites --- What mere insect dare to blight the skin of the Obamessiah?
(3) Nervousness or Anguish --- well when nervous I use several curled fingers to scratch and the motion is quick and involves nails. Now my anguish scratch is more of an open palm with the fingers rather than the nails.
(4) Muscle tic – sometimes forcing a smile will cause extra muscle strain and the cheek muscles may twitch – this might have been the purpose of the pinky scratch earlier in the speech; however, the placement of the second scratch does not appear to be excessive fake smiling induced due to the finger placement.

Nope – having watched the longer video from the Update ---

Barry is using a substantial number of physical gestures in this speech

(1) the I am saying something good here thumbs up,
(2) the I just said something meaningful and important to me full palm of the hand pulling close to the heart,
(3) the stabbing and thrusting the invisible knife --- these attacks are nasty and criminal, and
(4) the I am brushing off these attacks as if meaningless dandruff and I want you to treat the points about my character, my associations, my candor, as insubstantial as dandruff.

There are so many physical gestures in his speech that it is difficult to believe he isn’t constantly aware of all his physical motions. Plus, in this day and age, especially after the Seinfeld episode of the waitress flipping off George, no one under the age of 60 subconsciously uses their middle finger for anything but to flip someone off.

Now if talking about Obama's childish character of fipping off Hillary is too silly for you -- then we can talk about what his being an inexperienced, unaccomplished in his public life, Marxist socialist with no particular love for the United States.

M Penny

"Now if talking about Obama's childish character of fipping off Hillary is too SILLY for you -- then we can talk about what his being an inexperienced, unaccomplished in his public life, Marxist socialist with no particular love for the United States."

I agree lets do that instead of bump'n a thread of no substance.

...and respond.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.


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is write a blog on subjects near and dear to our cold, hard hearts (those few of us who have hearts), as opposed to dropping a whiney comment in a blog we might not agree with.

Take a hint. Whiners have a short but brutal lifespan around here. They are rightfully identified as lefties.
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A photo of this taken from a slightly different angle would make an excellent t-shirt (hint, hint Red State store people)

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

Yesterday, MSM were all declaring Hillary's victory in the debate as questions remained unanswered regarding Wright, Weather Underground, patriotism, lies, positions, etc. He was hit with everything all at once the other night, and the stories today were going to be "Sissy candidate whines about having to answer voters' questions." Instead, the story today is "Obama scratches face with wrong finger." He'll deny it a few days until memory of the debate has blown over, then apologize with just as big a smirk on his face.

The argument can be made that it was accidental, but as an immature, inexperienced young fool (just like Obama), I cannot see how anyone can ultimately conclude that it was an accident. Unfortunately it worked, because I'm writing about it now.

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Obama has more than one finger (he scratches his face three times in the video and uses a different finger each time) and two hands.

And delusional disorder with hallucinations is becoming more and more widespread in the US.

There is no hope...

Obama's base is becoming a personality cult, and there is no hope there.

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I'd love to see your factual evidence for this assertion.

Have you ever even spoken to an Obama supporter?

My assumption is there wouldn't be much of a conversation -- you'd call the person a Marxist or an America-hater and the contact would be over.

It's funny, because I've spoken to many Obama supporters and none of them exhibited any signs of being a cultist. All have reservations about him, but believe he is a better choice than Clinton (untrustworthy, old politics, etc.) or McCain (not too bright, a continuation of Bush policies, etc). The most common thread in their support for Obama was the hope that he would be able to change the discourse in this country. But that's all it was -- a hope, since no one I've spoken to saw Obama as having much chance of succeeding.

And none of the Obama supporters spoke about McCain with anywhere near the antipathy that I have seen expressed by RedStaters many times (especially before he locked up the nomination and became the only way to stop a Democrat from being elected).

I await the results of your in-depth socio-psychological study revealing the evidence for your claim. (Note: I'm not holding my breath.)

you have spoken with are intellectually capable of knowing his intelligence.....might I suggest if you don't like what you see here you can go.........and might I also suggest you do hold your breath I believe Neil is working on that study right now...really.

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about the intelligence of candidates. Many people here at RedState have commented that they think Obama is intelligent. It wasn't a question of their being "intellectually capable" of assessing his intelligence, they simply formed an impression from what they have seen, heard, and read.

In McCain's case, finishing 894 in a class of 899 at Annapolis, constantly mixing up who's who in Iraq/Iran, and having at least one commentator excuse his mistakes as due to a "senior moment" are all reasons why someone might conclude that McCain is not all that bright. If one were to watch and listen to Obama stumble and ramble over debate questions, one might decide that Obama's intelligence is overrated. But then he also graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law school (with honors) and served as the president of the Harvard Law Review -- all credentials that would argue strongly in favor of his being quite intelligent. Of course, intelligence alone is insufficient to guarantee a successful presidency, just as prior experience is not a reliable predictor of a successful presidency.

"...might I suggest if you don't like what you see here you can go..."

Ah, the obligatory invitation to leave. I appreciate your concern. It must be very difficult for you when someone says (or writes) something with which you don't agree or that is in conflict with your treasured beliefs.

In McCain's case, finishing 894 in a class of 899 at Annapolis,

At Annapolis, your out-of-class conduct bears on your grades.

constantly mixing up who's who in Iraq/Iran

Talking point, and not true.

and having at least one commentator excuse his mistakes as due to a "senior moment"

In the first place, the "mistakes" are a Democrat myth. Secondly, the appeal to the authority of an anonymous "commentator" is worth nothing. Third, calling something a "senior moment" is a slur. Dropping the numbers, a "senior moment" has nothing to do with intelligence, but suggests that McCain is a risk to forget what his car keys do, and is a big fat lie. Your attacks are pure ad hominem, and have no place here.
[...] But then [Obama] also graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law school (with honors) and served as the president of the Harvard Law Review -- all credentials that would argue strongly in favor of his being quite intelligent.

There are lots of different kinds of intelligence. I think Obama has has very strong verbal aptitude, but is rather weak in logical ability.

Of course, intelligence alone is insufficient to guarantee a successful presidency, just as prior experience is not a reliable predictor

What you mean to say is true that intelligence is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for successs, and I would agree. But prior experience is at least as necessary, and probably more sufficient as a predictor. In particular, you must have some experience doing something, which Barack Obama does not have, and he does not have it in spades.

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"At Annapolis, your out-of-class conduct bears on your grades."

That's not very helpful. Does it mean that McCain was one of the worst-behaved people in his class? Or that he was an angel, but couldn't handle the books? However, if you reread what I wrote, these comments are not offered as my opinions but as reasons that others have given me for not supporting McCain or Clinton. Personally, I don't think the 894 rank is very important in my estimation of McCain's intelligence.

"Talking point, and not true."

Strange, indeed. Since I've personally seen more than one clip in which McCain made such a mistake. Examples of this are widely available on the Internet, and unless I am mistaken it really is John McCain speaking. Keep in mind that my original post (freely misinterpreted by those who want to do so) is about the opinions of people I've spoken to. So, it's a waste of time to scold me for the opinions others hold.

"In the first place, the "mistakes" are a Democrat myth."

I just did a quick search on YouTube and found more than one instance of McCain's confusion. You may argue anything you want, but having Joe Lieberman step in to correct you on camera is not confidence inspiring.

Secondly, the appeal to the authority of an anonymous "commentator" is worth nothing.

Well, the "anonymous commentator" isn't anonymous at all. I never said he was anonymous, I simply didn't give his name -- Britt Hume (well-known ultra left winger).

"Third, calling something a "senior moment" is a slur."

You'll have to take that up with Mr. Hume. The following clip includes both the McCain statement and Hume's comment (just in case you want to claim that neither exists).

McCain and Hume

You are free to interpret the incident shown (and others) in any way you want. Obviously, different people will come to different conclusions. Hume's explanation -- McCain knows his stuff, he's just old -- is hardly a confidence inspiring explanation.

"Dropping the numbers, a "senior moment" has nothing to do with intelligence, but suggests that McCain is a risk to forget what his car keys do, and is a big fat lie. Your attacks are pure ad hominem, and have no place here."

Again, reread my post. The contention was made that Obama's base members are cultists. I've spoken with many of them and they don't strike me as any such thing. A reasonable person could watch clips of McCain and conclude that there might be a problem (this is true of every candidate for one reason or another). But the criticisms that I offered are what others have told me and were not my own. Is it now illegal on RedState to relate what other people have said?

"There are lots of different kinds of intelligence. I think Obama has has very strong verbal aptitude, but is rather weak in logical ability."

I agree that there are different kinds of intelligence. You "think" Obama has one kind of intelligence, but lacks another. Certainly, you're entitled to that opinion. What I offered in my original post was nothing more than the opinions that people have given for not supporting Clinton or McCain. (Funny, there are no complaints about the negative attitudes directed toward Clinton.)

"What you mean to say is true that intelligence is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for successs, and I would agree. But prior experience is at least as necessary, and probably more sufficient as a predictor. In particular, you must have some experience doing something, which Barack Obama does not have, and he does not have it in spades."

A review of former presidents and their respective pre-presidency experience does not support your contention. Some very bad and/or mediocre presidents have had the longest resumes. And some relatively inexperienced presidents have done quite well. Your argument sounds "logical" but isn't really supported by history.

As to whether Obama himself has the right kind of experience -- I'll ignore your silly contention that Obama has no experience doing anything -- that is a question that can only be answered if and when he is elected. My fairly long experience observing presidential campaigns and presidents has convinced me that the only reliable way to know if someone will be a good president is to see what happens once the person is in office. It would be nice if there were some formula we could apply, but I'm afraid there is no such thing. Everyone does his or her best with the information each considers relevant and important. That was the intent of my original post. It seems to me to be unfair and a waste of time to impute all the worst motivations to people just because one disagrees with them.

The reason that it looked like such a gaffe was because Lieberman stepped in and corrected McCain when McCain had made the correct statement in the first place.

Two things:

1. A site requirement: You will cut the attitude at once. I will disable your account if you again show another poster the attitude you show in your final paragraph.

2. A personal suggestion: Save us the worshipful Obama shilling and retarded McCain bashing. If we want to read the propaganda of America hatred from people who have turned off their brains and turned on to Obama, we'll go to Daily Kos.

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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater

"Save us the worshipful Obama shilling and retarded McCain bashing. If we want to read the propaganda of America hatred from people who have turned off their brains and turned on to Obama, we'll go to Daily Kos."

In response I can only quote from a recent post by Mr. Yousefzadeh:

"I know that we have all had our moments of ill-tempered commentary, but most of us grow out of the habit after the fifth grade or so."

As for disabling my account, Neil, you've wanted to for some time now (since I sent you a private message disagreeing with your banning of another commenter). Since you are free to create or interpret rules as you see fit, you can justify any action you take. I post according to the rules:

No profanity.
No personal attacks.
No harassment or demonization of a particular individual.
No disruptive behavior or off-topic remarks for their own sake.

A casual reader might almost get the impression that in your warning to me, you implied that I am retarded (After all, retarded people make retarded posts or relate what retarded people say.) Certainly, it came very close to a personal attack.

For my part, I will continue to follow the rules. If you want to disable my account, that's up to you. The great irony is that you objected to something I wrote that was by any reasonable standard far less objectionable than your attitude toward me and the names that you and others frequently call people who have done nothing more than voice an honest opinion.

For posterity, I'll quote a comment made by a regular at RedState. This was posted more than a year ago and received no comment (at least no public comment) by the moderators:

"Boy are you dumb.

Those particular officials, and their RNC accounts, are required by the Hatch Act.

As usual, your facts are screwy and skewed.

Do us all a favor, take off your shoes and chain yourself in the kitchen.

This is certainly not the most offensive comment ever made and ignored on RedState, but it is an example of the double standard. I believe the above statement was directed at a female commenter. I sent an email to the moderators asking if this post really did follow the posting rules. I didn't receive the courtesy of a reply.

So, Neil, if you want to disable my account, have at it. If you decide to do so, I think, in fairness, you'll have to make some additions to the posting rules.

Follow the rules, or don't. But any further complaints about me go to the Contact Form, where the Directors can address them as they see fit.

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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater

...if you hadn't started this little trip by calling people delusional.

Why don't you apologize to the site for doing that? Next post, please, and use no more than six words in your entire reply.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Sure thing, Moe. Oh, wait, I almost forgot -- I apologize when I’ve done something wrong, not when the bossy member of the Three Stooges tells me to.

I'll tell you what, while we wait for my apology, you be in charge of holding your breath, and I'll be in charge of calling 9-1-1.

Sorry to have violated your six word diktat. It’s just that I can’t figure out why on Earth I would let the likes of you order me to do anything. I guess you’d have to have something I really, really want. Alas, you don’t.

So, my blissful year and twenty-two weeks come to an end.

Auf wiedersehen, Moe, say hi to Larry and Curly for me.

By then it was clear that you had decided to quit the site.

Bye.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

I don't know if anyone else has seen this, but these days I've noticed something about the types who would rather burn an account than apologize to conservatives for anything: they're invariably Obama supporters. I'm not saying that every Obama supporter who shows up here is this rude, just that the really rude ones all seem to be supporting him these days.

Interesting, no?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater

you are right. Angry is the word that comes to my mind, they seem really angry about something. There have been an unusual amount of anti-Obama articles lately, I've put two up in the last two days myself. Maybe that's it...

We did not have a revolution in order to have democracy - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

what is this a reference too?

...has a habit of responding to his own posts when he's had another thought just after hitting the post button. :)

Moe

PS: By now, he uses the slang term himself, so we don't feel bad about using it.

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We did not have a revolution in order to have democracy - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

We did not have a revolution in order to have democracy - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Here is something else you can thank me for. Note especially the first two paragraphs.

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." --Friedrich Nietzsche

for misspelling your name.

Check it out....if you play "Barack Obama" backwards, you can hear satan talking!

Pushing this kind of tripe represents a shark-jumping moment for RedState.

"OOOh....look, some idiot blogger at the LAtimes sez so TOO!"

How ridiculous.

Because if RS is declining visibly, as you say, then what would it say about you that you stayed?

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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater

After reading some of the comments here I wonder how Moe ever gets the chance to take his finger off the eject button!

AzRenegade

He's not man enough even to do that property. Obama's a wimp.

 
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