Tancredo's Question
What To Do With The Illegals?
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Colorado Congressman and presidential candidate Tom Tancredo asks fellow presidential candidate Governor Mitt Romney what he would do with the 12-20 million illegal aliens currently in the country.
It's a fair question. What would Congressman Tancredo do with the illegals? We know what Senator McCain proposes. What do the other presidential candidates propose to do with the illegals?
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1. Secure the border, using an increased border patrol presence combined with a fence-based force force multiplier.
2. Interior workplace enforcement.
3. Effective national ID. Reform the immigration services. End sanctuary cities.
4. Await deportations and self-deportations over time.
5. Those illegals that evade the new enforcement system for long enough might either be amnestied, alternatively, the birthright citizenship mechanism is used to provide citizenship for their children.
Presto! Far better than rolling over, playing dead, and blindly trusting politicians to follow through on empty promises.
but as Jaded pointed out, attrition would have been an answer, but for that to have worked out enforcement at the border would have to have been real & consistent.
A retired Texas police officer I heard said that on a routine basis and while carrying out their other duties they would come across and apprehend illegals. It required no special sweeps and with the proper enforcement and protected borders would in due time have a major effect on the numbers.
This was some years ago when he was still active. Now they arrest the cops,[ allow for bitterness].
As for Tancredo,if he's nuts what does that say about the rest of them?
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
that millions of those illegals work somewhere. What is the effect going to be on those business's and other business's that buy and sell with them?
I would imagine if we just "cut out" 3 million jobs, we end up losing quite a few more jobs of regular Americans.
I believe we should fix the border first and then normalize those illegals who are already here. Clearly our economy can handle the ones currently here because since '86, things have been fine.
except that no one cared that the 1986 sellout was supposed to stop illegal immigration. But somehow 12, or 20 or probably a lot more millions just walked in to our country or came in legally and just elected not to leave. Of course, Elian Gonzalez was sent back to a Communist dictator, so if the kid was a real threat to America, we have one less illegal alien here. But than the only border guards that apparently tried to stop any illegal
alien were sent to prison and the illegal alien they tried to stop is still doing his drug dealing.
So the net result is that every thing is fine if you don't mind a bunch of people coming into the nation without permission from
1986 to 2007. The ink won't even be dry on the law before Sen Kennedy and La Raza start their next effort to destroy America.
Things have not been fine since '86.
Things have been better than fine. They have been good.
I don't like the idea of having 12 to 20 million walking around that we don't know about and don't tax. As soon as the border is fixed, I would like to have them normalized. In a couple generations, they will be as American as any of us.
On a side note, I read yesterday that while the % of blacks in the army is declining rapidly, the number of Latinos is going up. Clearly, they are willing to give back to society.
this is just crap...and speak for yourself...in a couple generations, they might be Americans, but it won't be because of genuine desire. It will be because they got away with something.
My buddy from Ireland is an American because he came here and went through the process, legally. He asked for no favors, amnesty, nothing. He knew the law, and obeyed it. His reward is pride in saying he is an American.
" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln
"... the number of Latinos is going up"
Illegal aliens and Latinos are not the same thing. That someone steals across a border illegally tells you much about how much he values that society, as opposed to the opportunity that society provides.
You're kidding, right? Because the "number of Latinos [serving in the army] is going up" you think it must be the illegals enlisting? How many brain cells did you say you rubbed together to come up with this comment?
An illegal alien can NOT get into the US Armed Forces. The background checks employed in the enlistment of any applicant are sufficient to stop any illegals at the door.
Step 1 is a criminal background check.
Step 2 is a birth verification to prove age and citizenship. If not born an American Citizen, you need to provide documentation showing that you are in the US legally.
Sep 3, provide your Social Security Card. If you don't have it, the recruiter will accompany you to the Social Security office to get documentation showing your SSN.
All these documents are checked for validity both at the Recruitin office level and at BN HQ. And then again at the MEPS. Any questions as to their validity brings in the Feds.
Then, as a part that most people don't even notice, we get your Selective Service number with verification from the Selective Service Office.
And that's jut the stops that I know about being in an area where we don't get many immigrant applicants either legal or illegal. In fact, I wrote the contracts for Both of our immigrants in the last 5 years in this office.
"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction
But the children of illegals born in this country are considered citizens. I know for a fact there have been a few "anchor" babies killed in Iraq just from San Diego county from a story in the local paper. Heck, isn't our Attorney General the grandchild of illegals?
I know that my grandparents didn't come here legally & I sure as hell feel as American as anyone. My Grandmother had 5 boys in the service at one point - all "anchor" babies.
Are not "illegal aliens" (unfortunately).
And whether you are an American citizen or not has very little to do with being an American. Or is what's his name who fought for the Taliban during the invasion of Afghanistan still an American?
"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction
It's unfortunate? Really? Sorry you don't like our country's history, constitution and traditions in this regard.
so, being an American citizen and fighting in Iraq doesn't make you American according to you? My uncle with 2 purple hearts, a silver star and a successful business and family isn't good enough for you?
Does it come down to color of skin? Help me out here.
He was talking about someone who fought for the other side. Now, I don't know for sure, but the reference to two purple hearts implies that when your uncle was fighting in Iraq he was fighting for America. Please correct me if I have the wrong impression here.
Quentin Langley
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...that you'd like to retract your comments.
Correct?
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
From this thread:
"As American as any of us? this is just crap...and speak for yourself...in a couple generations, they might be Americans, but it won't be because of genuine desire. It will be because they got away with something."
Later on, it's unfortunate that anchor babies are citizens? and there is more to being American than being a citizen like my uncles and father? It's unfortunate they are citizens? Being born a citizen and serving isn't good enough? I'm not a real American?
What is that secret ingredient that makes someone a "real" American?
You want to ban me for asking, fine.
Reading this quote:
"Are not "illegal aliens" (unfortunately)."
I got the distinct impression that he feels it's unfortunate that my Uncle is an American citizen.
You seem incapable of distinguising between serving with the Taleban and serving with the US forces. Your comments seem to suggest that both are equivalent.
Now, if you have some other point to make, you need to make it clear. Is your uncle an anchor baby, for example? You didn't mention that. You just said he had purple hearts in response to a post questioning how American somebody who served with the Taleban really is.
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
I addressed that exact point. The Uncle in question was an "anchor baby"
What disturbed me about the thread was the implication that being a citizen wasn't the same as being an American and then the Taliban was mentioned.
Isn't it weird the Taliban was mentioned? Where did that come from? I really wondered if the point was:
"yes, you can be a citizen if you are born here - but that doesn't make you a real American. You could have illegal parents or you could join the Taliban - either way, you aren't a "real American".
that being a citizen is not the same as being a responsible citizen or being loyal to the US. One is a matter of law and the other is a matter of values.
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
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The answer is "Yes, it Is unfortunate that so-called anchor-babies are citizens."
I very much do like the vast majority of oour country's history and as for the parts I don't like, well, at least there are fewer of them than any other country can lay claim to.
I have sworn to uphold and defend the very Constitution you wish to believe I don't like even if it costs me my life; so I really hope I DO like it. This discussion, however, is not because of our Constitution. It is due to the fact that enough people in the right places were duped into ratifying the amendment that made citizenship a birthright. That amendment has caused no end of grief.
As for traditions: Well, we have no long-term traditions regarding illegal immigrants. To include anchor-babies. They all stem from that one insufficiently cursed amendment.
Now, as for WHY I find it unfortunate that anchor-babies are citizens, it comes down to the fact that illegal immigrants can, and often do, make a case for staying in the US despite their status or any illegal activities based entirely on the fact that they have children who were born in the USA. it is also because of the fact that the vast majority of the time when they are deported anyway, their kids get sent into the foster care system rather than stay with their parents.
Those are just the big effects of anchor-babies being citizens.
The service of any of them is most certainly to be lauded, HOWEVER, it has nothing to do with them having been anchor-babies and Everything to do with them recognizing the very things that make America great and choosing to give back what they can. The same as any other American soldier/airman/seaman/marine does.
"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction
Your origins do not determine your patriotism.
I challenge you to show your uncle would have been any less of a patriot had he come to the USA as a normal immigrant rather than been born here as an anchor-baby. Or if his parents had come here legally.
"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction
nor is it going to be fixed. Legalizing every one who wants to come to America is not the answer. Closing the gaps in the border security and stopping people from getting off the airplane legally, than disappearing into the vast wasteland of the illegals is the only answer.When that is done, than talk about the solution of the illegals that are here.
Many of the illegals are being taxed, under phony SS #s and names that don't belong to them. Bad things that Americans would go to jail for, illegals are being rewarded for.
I keep hearing people talking about entering country legally, play by the rules and wait in the line. What line ? Somebody has to explain this to me .
Not even better educated people from EU have a chance to just simply apply for a legal status in the US after years of living here. THERE IS NO LINE. And there is no southern border either.
How about this :
1.Pass a reasonable bill
2.Secure the border
3.Employee verification
4.Issue an ID
5.Tax and penalize illegals and use the money to secure borders
6.Set rules, English, Crime free, hard working people can stay
7. Let's stay humans.
Nobody will even notice that the people will become legal , they are still here now. We are just trying to be hardheaded. If there is an accident and 4 mexican workers are injured, at least they will be able to identify them and hospitals can bill them. At least they will have to pass a driving test to ensure that they are able to operate a vehicle. Right now the system is prohibiting them from obtaining a drivers licence, that will not stop anybody from driving, is it?
What is the big deal ?!
People are affraid that it will affect votes, well, they will become legal residents and thus they are not gonna be eligible to vote.
Maybe in 8-13 years if they will become citizens they will, it gives us a plenty of time to properly introduce our politics and get their votes.
There is no other way, waiting and making both sides miserable is not gonna work.
What do you think ?
Non-U.S. citizens already can vote in California. CA has a "motor voter" registration card that is just mailed. You don't have to appear in person with a birth certificate or naturalization certificate. You only show a CA drivers license at the polls. The county is supposed to check these registration cards, but doesn't bother due to the numbers involved. They don't even check the names against a criminal data base. You can also buy a TX or AZ birth certificate if you need to prove your citizenship. It is very easy to defeat the system. The only deterrent is that if you get caught, you are subject to jail or fine.
I was in California in November 2000. There was a long queue of people waiting to vote and I couldn't help thinking "I bet most of those people know much less about the candidates and the Constitution than I do. It's so unfair. The one think that didn't even occur to me was to join the queue and see if I could get away with it.
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
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Someone actually used a green card to register to vote. Of all the things they could have used to register that would've gone undetected, they used the one piece of ID that actually proved their ineligibility to vote -- and they got away with it. They were able to cast their vote in an election that only had about 600 voters participating. Now if they had just used the "this guy can vouch for me" or the "here's a piece of mail with my name on it" methods of registering (both accepted under state law), they'd still be voting.
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Quentin Langley
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"What would you do with the current illegals?" is the wrong question. If we do no secure the border then it doesn't matter. If we deport them all, without a border they will just come back. If we legalize them all, without a border many more will come hoping for their chance.
Nice political theater, but Tom Terrific has no answer ether does he? Nether does Romney, McCain or any in the field right now.
So what's Tom Terrific's plan for the 12 Million here, where's his legislation to deal with the issue?
Easy to be against everything, harder to be in favor of something. McCain even though he's wrong on this issue is in favor of something, I give him some good marks for having the courage of his convictions, even though he's just plain wrong.
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In the 109th Congress, Rep. Tancredo introduced the Rewarding Employers that Abide by the Law and Guaranteeing Uniform Enforcement to Stop Terrorism (REAL GUEST) Act of 2005. The companion bill was carried by Sen. Inhofe.
The National Council of State Legislatures summarized the bill as follows on its website in its August 1, 2005, Federal Update:
"The bill was introduced on July 18, 2005 by Representative Tancredo (R-CO) and has two co-sponsors. It contains several provisions that affect states including giving state and local law enforcement the authority to enforce federal civil immigration law, conditioning SCAAP funds on states sharing information with DHS, creating minimum standards for state-issued birth certificates, and reducing the validity of driver’s licenses from eight years to five years. The bill also establishes a temporary guestworker program, adds 10,000 new Border Patrol agents, 20,000 CBP inspectors, and 2,000 ICE agents in addition to using the military to secure borders, and enhances penalties for document fraud and unlawful presence in the U.S., and employment of unauthorized workers. The bill also contains provisions to prevent children born to unauthorized immigrants from automatically attaining U.S. citizenship and from obtaining in-state college tuition rates."
Rep. Tancredo and Sen. Inhofe put forth comprehensive legislation to address the problem of illegal immigration. Through that legislation and through his many comments about how to solve the problem of illegal immigration, he has laid out in detail his plans to solve the illegal immigration problem.
Rep. Tancredo was a strong supporter of H.R.4437. Hugh Hewitt falsely claimed that Rep. Tancredo would never support any legislation on illegal immigration because he doesn't want a solution. Hugh Hewitt was proven to be a liar when Rep. Tancredo supported Rep. Sensenbrenner's bill. Rep. Hayworth, though, voted against it.
Rep. Tancredo believes that the borders should be secured to prevent future illegal immigration. He believes that the United States military should be used on at least a temporary basis to help the United States Border Patrol secure the borders. Rep. Tancredo believes that the number of officers employed by the United States Border Patrol should be greatly increased. He voted for and strongly supported the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Rep. Tancredo believes that all of the fencing authorized by that legislation should be built, as well as additional fencing. He supports real fencing, not just virtual fencing.
Rep. Tancredo supports increased enforcement of the laws already on the books regarding the employment of illegal aliens. He believes that illegal aliens should not be rewarded with driver's licenses or certificates for driving. Rep. Tancredo believes that the practice of giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens should be ended.
Rep. Tancredo believes that the number of ICE agents should be strongly increased and that there should be increased deportation of illegal aliens already present in the United States. There are hundreds of thousands of illegal alien criminals that have been ordered deported, but are roaming the streets of this country. They should be deported.
When the possibility of employment for illegal aliens is greatly reduced and the number of privileges and benefits illegal aliens can obtain is reduced, many illegal aliens will return home voluntarily.
Rep. Tancredo does not agree with fomer Senator Fred Thompson's statement in 2006 that "[y]ou're going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they [illegal aliens] can have some aspirations of citizenship". He does not support any plan that gives illegal aliens legal status. Giving illegal aliens aspirations of citizenship causes more illegal aliens to enter the United States.
There is no candidate or potential candidates that has more extensively presented plans to combat illegal immigration than Rep. Tancredo. His plans are more comprehensive than John McCain's and certainly far better.
"The defense of our nation begins with the defense of our borders." - Rep. Tom Tancredo
After we stop the flow.
Anyway, I don't give somebody "good marks" for being stubbornly wrong on anything. And I can't understand why anybody would.
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It's time we remove the liberals in both parties that are running for President. Currently, we have a liberal Republican in the White House who places illegal aliens above American citizens. Tom Tancredo is willing to speak up for America. Unfortunately, Mr. Romney is playing both sides of the issue as he is under the advisement of the WSJ crowd.
Today is a sad day for America when the Senate, 2-1 voted for cloture to move on with Amnesty. Get used to it, America as we know it, is gone forever, if these sellouts in the Senate have their way.
As Zuiko pointed out above, Gov. Romney favors regularizing illegal aliens. I support Rep. Tancredo's stance against rewarding millions of illegal alien lawbreakers with legal status.
"The defense of our nation begins with the defense of our borders." - Rep. Tom Tancredo
Himtngal, right on the money. The thing that's so exasperating about all of this is that I think our core beliefs would be plenty popular if we could elect politicians who would stand behind them. I think a lot of GOP politicians "grow in office" and become full fledged Federalocrats.
that is what I believe Tom Tancredo would do. He also would look at hardship cases as he said on FOX the other day with regards to the missing soldiers wife.