That Ol' Clinton Straddle

A Wink And A Nod At Spitzer Plan For Drivers' Licenses For Illegals

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New York Governor Eliot Spitzer's plan to document the undocumented by giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens has been yet another fiasco for the Empire State's unpopular new governor, bleeding his support even among Democrats who are in the country legally and leading other Democratic officials to keep their distance. But what does New York's junior senator, running now for President, think of the state's unilateral effort to hijack federal immigration policy? Up to now, Hillary Clinton has been quiet on the subject, but in an interview she finally had to answer the question:

I think it's important to bring everybody out of the shadows. To do the background checks. To deport those who have outstanding warrants or have committed crimes in the United States, and then to say to those who wish to stay here, you have to pay back taxes, you have to pay a fine, you have to learn English, and you have to wait in line. And I hate to see any state being pushed to try to take this into their own hands, because the federal government has failed.

So I know exactly what Governor Spitzer's trying to do and it makes a lot of sense, because he's trying to get people out of the shadows. He's trying to say, "O.K., come forward and we will give you this license."

But without a federal policy in effect, people will come forward and they could get picked up by I.C.E. tomorrow. I mean, this can't work state-by-state. It has to be looked at comprehensively. I agreed with President Bush and his efforts to try to approach this. He just didn't have the political capital left by the time he actually got serious about it.
And it's unfortunate that too many people are using this to demagogue the issue, instead of trying to solve it: you know, people in politics, people in the press, and there’s a kind of unholy alliance.

Spitzer's camp immediately rushed to claim this as support:

"We are gratified that many state leaders understand the security value of bringing people out of the shadows and into the system," said spokeswoman Christine Anderson.

The NY Times and NY Daily News, however, recognized this for what it is: a typically Clintonian effort to have it both ways without answering the question and taking some responsibility for the answer. What else is new?

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The drivers license flap has been a disaster for Spitzer:

Seventy-two percent of New York voters who have read or heard about the Governor's proposal to allow undocumented aliens to obtain New York driver's licenses oppose the Governor's plan, while only 22 percent support it, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll of registered voters released Monday.

The Siena New York poll also shows that Eliot Spitzer's job performance rating is lower than it has ever been, with a majority of voters saying he's doing a fair or poor job.

If the 2010 gubernatorial race were held now, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, running as a Republican, would beat Democrat Spitzer 50-37 percent.

"Nearly three-quarters of voters - including 59% of Democrats - oppose the Governor’s plan to give driver's licenses to undocumented aliens," said Steven Greenberg, Siena New York Poll spokesman. ". . . Opposition to the Spitzer proposal is intense, with 41% strongly opposing it and only 7 percent strongly supporting it.

"Nearly two-thirds of voters believe that the Governor's proposal poses a national security risk, and two-thirds disagree with the argument that it will lower auto insurance costs. Even most Democrats are on the opposite side of the fence from the Governor on those questions. Voters from every region of New York overwhelmingly oppose Governor Spitzer on this issue," Greenberg said.

Spitzer's favorable/unfavorable rating is 54-36 percent, down from 56-26 percent last month, and a high of 75-10 percent in January. His job performance rating is 41 percent positive 55 percent negative, down from 44-49 percent last month, and a high of 57-36 percent in May.

After Spitzer threatened to retaliate against GOP critics of the plan by slashing funding for parks and schools in their districts, the NY Post ran a blistering piece subtitled "'HE CARES MORE FOR ILLEGALS THAN KIDS'". While the NY GOP has been conducting a petition against the plan, Democrats have been coming out against it as well. Former NY Mayor Ed Koch, an independent-minded Democrat who has endorsed some Republicans over the years, has blasted the plan. Freshman Congresswoman Kirsten Gillibrand was compelled to distance herself from the Spitzer plan after a torrent of criticism from her potential Republican opponents.

Hillary obviously doesn't want any part of the heat for an idea that is repellent even to voters in her own party in her own liberal state - yet she remains desperately in thrall, like so many in her party, to a faction of people who - lacking (at least until this plan passes) proper identification as citizens - are not even entitled to vote. And thus, the straddle continues. But at this late date, does anyone believe anything she says?

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I thought that the policy was deportation of all people who were in the US illegally. I thought there were laws on the books, and that the laws have even been enforced, albeit very occasionally. I thought we had a process of allowing documented workers, with green cards and so on.

Did these measures get repealed recently? Or only in New York?

So, Hillary says, "I think it's important to bring everybody out of the shadows... To deport those who have outstanding warrants or have committed crimes in the United States..."
I'm sorry, but haven't those folks who BROKE THE LAW to enter the United States and have BROKE THE LAW BY driving around without a license "committed crimes in the United States?"
Okay, so when do the deportations start?
I guess in Hillary-Land there are some crimes that are legal and some that are illegal.
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New York is quickly becoming this nation's second biggest joke behind New Jersey. This state constantly elects people because a (D) is attached to their name, never fully understanding the ramifications (or apparently caring until now).

Well, here you have the result; Mr. "illegal alien driver license" meets a woman who came here because she could not get elected in her home state - congratulations. I don't think Hollywood could have scripted this horror flick. Add to that John Hall smoking the cheeba and singing songs at the podium (replacing one of this states best legislators) and criminy, what the hell is this - San Francisco?

By the way, they also share a close friend in Norman Hsu who gave graciously to both of them. Now, I see today Hillary received donations from some apparently rich bus-boys (isn't that an oxymoron?) from Chinatown. Where is all the "Culture of Corruption" talk? Even a three year old could draw the lines on this one. Hellooo, anybody home in New York?

I also notice Hillary parsed words on access to her health plan by illegal aliens; saying they would not be covered but basically the status quo (which is part of the fiscal problem behind our health care industry) would stand. Great solution, thanks for that. Oh, but she has "a million ideas, we just can't afford them all. I'll say, I already can't stand the brain cell loss incurred by reading this garbage. I can't wait until works down to my wallet. Sort of like a slow moving, full body paralysis or (referring to her generational supporters) a hippie styled, drug induced stupor.

Can she really believe that people are that dumb they can't figure out what's going on here? I would look behind the podium to see if her fingers are crossed.

Sorry for the rant Dan. I am fresh out of a half hour argument with a twenty something year old pissant lawyer about 15c3-3. I had to rip the page out and highlight it for him. No offense though:-)

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report

Heavens, that sounds suspiciously like my line of work. Look up cases citing that rule and you are as likely as not to see my handiwork.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Which leaves me vexed as to whether I should like you or not:-)

Besides, based on your response you were never as unschooled or pretentious as this clown.

It was an academic issue about exemptions under K1 (whether all or some had to be met). Clown boy got the buzzer (and he's the lawyer).

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report

I don't do compliance. I've just briefed several cases arguing successfully that the Rule and its brethren preempt certain state law causes of action.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

on 15c3-3, but he would charge you by the hour.

It is basically a securities law having to do with reserves and custody (seg., margin, etc.). Absolutely the cure for insomnia if you want to look it up.

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report

freebie mode.

I do know what pissant lawyers are: I have dealt with my share on the corporate side, although as the client I never complain about OUR lawyers! Well, almost never.

they are referring to the Securities and Exchange Commission:

Rule 15c3-3

Reserve Requirements for Margin Related to Security Futures Products

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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

then I owe you thanks rather than scorn. Anything that simplifies the process is fine with me. Especially, in the Peoples Republic of NY.

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report

(enough fruits and nuts to be a name brand cereal all on its own), I can tell you that NJ is referred to by Californians (and maybe the rest of the country) as the armpit of the U.S. Now that I live in NY, I know NY is the armpit.

Hillary!, UpChuck, Spitzer...I am soooo proud of my state.

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