The FNC debate - OPEN THREAD
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The FNC debate for this evening is getting underway as I type. Everyone is expecting everyone to want to have a big night
What are you seeing?
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...call for the Second Amendment to be repealed years ago? And isn't he one of those who used the ridiculous example of how long a line of buses it would take to mass deport (which noone was advocating) all the illegal aliens in the country?
Generally when he mentions that he misquotes Will.* Will said he was the best example of conservative governance in modern history. Giuliani has often said that Will called him the most conservative example of governance in modern history.
Will was pointing out his success, not his conservatism. And his success is his best selling point.
*Note I wasn't watching today so maybe he didn't this time.
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Nice job fielding the Tort Reform question.
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he tells he truth and doesn't care if its unpopular
and he admits mistakes
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Big John goes for the body on Mitt, "Don't try to fool the people".
Slam!
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Big issue in Texas, Fred is leaving it to the states. Texas voted to minimize tort rewards on punitive medical issues but not on actual medical expenses. This is an important differential to make. People do need to be able to collect their medical damages.
Thanks John Mac for targeting Romney too, are McCain and Fred Tag teamming?
Romney. So far, Romney is getting toasted, it seems, and he's making matters worse by trying to invoke President Reagan. Looking at what Romney needs, he needs voters to take him seriously. He isn't doing that SO FAR.
Rudy seems awkward early. McCain is combative. Fred is gaining some sort of command, which is one of his goals.
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Wow Ron Paul makes a good point, thank you, I agree.....now drop out
I don't think Ron has noticed that there HAS been a big battle going on about the definition of marriage.
-- digitalhap
Looks like Fred is running the table thus far. I hope that he can keep it up.
I'm a Fred supporter, but Ron Paul is right. Common law says that marriage is between a husband and wife, and common law defines husband as a married man and wife as a married woman. Good interpretation for an issue that the Christian's are targeting all these guys on.
excepting marriage laws of other states along with the government consequences - ie., tax code, etc.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
I really liked Romney correcting Ron Paul on the marriage issue. When it became legal in MA there started to be all kinds of religious discrimination, like the Catholic adoption agencies he mentioned.
Romney moved up in my opinion because he understands that issue. I haven't heard anyone besides Brownback explain that part of it.
Game 7 of the ALCS on Fox, Steelers/Broncos on NBC, or a debate two+ months prior to the first primary.
Who exactly is watching this debate? I mean, c'mon...sports trumps politics every day of the week. Twice on a Saturday or Sunday.
TELL me about it. I actually rearranged to have two TVs in here. I'll catch the Game 7 highlights, but you just can't miss football.
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I would have to say - channel surfing... (Only because I think it is way too early for political debates).
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
So far hands down the best debate format wise.
Gotta say that was a good one on Mitt's part. Addressed as Senator and corrected to Governor he came back with "Don't demote me."
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streaming to work for this debate?
Internet Explorer, FOX news site.
Works.
Watching ball game and watching/listening to the debate...multi tasking.
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Is Rudy insulting NYC?
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Nicely done on marriage
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I was SHOCKED to hear Guiliani say what he did about gay marriage. It actually softens me toward him quite a bit.
No demolition derby in our own party
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
You are not going to get headway by attacking Ron Paul. Stay to the key players.
Good opening from Huck, despite my Fred backing.
If it was an issue, then we would be concerned about you voting on behalf of abortion. Fred clearly did not do this, showing his private practice was not influencing his concience when voting.
Fred made an excellent point. He became Planned Parenthood's worst nightmare as a Senator, and now they're out to get him.
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It was an excellent point. As having a 100% pro-life voting record, he has become their worst nightmare. Romney has been "pro-life" for only a few years and Rudy is pro-choice. The difference between these men is obvious. Fred will win.
You are right, Fred wins every time. Why are Mitt and Duncan debating now? Is this why I'm missing the Red Sox?
And goes for a unite the party moment.
Beautiful.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
unity several times in this debate. He has trouble being taken seriously.
(I cringe when he mentions Reagan, but if I though he could unify the party in any way, I might give him a look.)
And its my industry.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I still don't understand the original Q or weather he actually answered it.
Ron Paul somehow connects HC to the War. I see why he doesn't manage to get things done.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Both these guys have to be careful. Every Paul answer includes his objection to Iraq, every Rudy answer includes 9-11.
I'm starting to think I just need to post "Agreed -nt" to every observation you and David Hinz make.
Get out of my head!!!
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I think I might like Mitt more if he didn't smile so much.
-- digitalhap
Did Mitt Romney just score points at GWBs expense?
Would have been better with IRS, or the DMV
whiffs the PJ O'rourke quote.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Romney sounds like Hillery on health care... geez... that only leaves Thompson.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
Maze vs System good
Old hippies getting free drugs is great.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
we are a FAT out of shape country
Like the hippies and free drugs line
we would be forced into 6 hours exercise per week along with liminations on food sales.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
really is a silly thing to say because Mississippi got hit head on and they have recovered nicely with the governments help but LA which was run top to bottom by corrupt Dems are still trying to get theirselves together.
Paul with the "empire" crap shows he is loony tunes and I can hardly wait for the day he is no longer involved in these debates.
Huckabee looks great and the hippies getting free drugs what great:-)
Thompson has been good and Guiliani has been good as well.
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
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Too bad we had to take him
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Or did the mic lower itself? And he admitted a mistake? Is this really politics? Shows you can score by admitting you make mistakes.
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He handled it well, and it was the correct response. He's doing well tonight. The fathers raising kids comment was great!
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Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Indeed!
-- digitalhap
Rudy stumbled on teachers but then recovered very nicely.
-- digitalhap
He has great bonafides here. He fought the NYC school system like a tiger.
Ok who was saying he was weak on school choice and parental responsibility ?
Brilliant,
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Take that teachers Union...Not going to back down.
I like that!
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And it's 1 to 0 Sox on a Indians error.
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I challange any candidate to do better than Rudy just did on school choice, it was brilliant. And you KNOW that libs will be all over him for that civil rights quip!!
Just made me forget the Grand Salami last night. Way to double out.
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The presidency is not an internship.
Points to Mitt great response.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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Ouch... if he didn't mean it than it means nothing, but if he meant it... nice.
Absolutely, Mitt putting Hillary and intern in the same statement ... absolutely brilliant. Major points for Mitt.
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she is a weak on defense liberal
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Rudy will fight like a junkyard dog, thats exactly what we need in 2008.
Rudy hits a homer with "America can't afford you!"
-- digitalhap
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Nice quip on Florida Rudy !
Then a blow to the Dems
Hillary fake Yankee fan.
Rudy: Hillary America can't afford you.
He just jumped five points in florida.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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I'd rather lose a campaign than a war!
Awsome McCain. Line of the night right there, screw Hillary in 2008!
Brilliant
Brilliant
I was tied up at the time.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Absolutely awesome. Got a lot of points with me on that response.
Just absolutely perfect. Nice job, John!
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McCain's line is the best.
-- digitalhap
If nothing else so we have the great tributes to the troops. Unlike 9-11 with Rudy and Iraq with Paul, I appreciate every time John brings it up. He's still a fine American despite my disagreement with him.
He deserves the standing ovation. I could get behind McCain in a heartbeat.
Hat's off to Big John
Rather loose an election than loose a war.
Small jokes about being "tied up" during the 60's...too too funny, got the audience on his side.
Darn Rudy and McCain are on his game.
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
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OUCH
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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What a winy piece of whale excrement.
Rudy, go over and punch in the nose or something.
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I need to go take a leak...
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
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Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
I don't like it when a politician says "we're on track to have every citizen insured." I don't believe that is at all the roll of the government.
-- digitalhap
Romney is on top of the issue but boring as heck in his answer.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
He manages to correct things back to normal.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
that raised eyebrow thing was great!
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
says to let the youngin's get control of their own retirement funds and brings up the constant de-valuation of the dollar.
He must be looking at Hunter's notes.
GOP debate and MLB game 7, doesn't get any better !
He's been talking about his plan to phase out huge Social Security by letting young Americans opt out has been in his stump for awhile, as has the devaluation of the dollar.
The dollar talk is part of his case against the Fed. Res., and against printing money with no backing.
And I've clearly stated I was a Paul supporter. I'm against the war and I'm a small-government republican. What, exactly, are my other options? Giuliani? McCain (who I greatly respect)? Huckabee?
I realize some like to sterotype Paul supporters as crazy rabid spam-happy (insert slur here), but I choose not to bite on all the Paul-bashing that occasionally takes place.
Also, it's a little creepy that the same handful of posters are following me around with insults...I think you share more in common with Paul's more eccentric supporters then you realize.
Following you. That's adorable. Seems we were in this thread long before you finished your text-spamming of the Fox News poll. Perhaps we should accuse you of following?
How like a Ronulan to be paranoid.
Incidentally, you would think someone following you around would have known you'd made posts about Paul already. You know, as opposed to someone who, to their own dismay, found their screen unfortunately polluted by your talking points periodically.
But, you know, paranoid is as RonPaul does.
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then a single other person I've seen on the boards here. From now on I'm invoking my own personal permanant Hinz rule on you at all times, otherwise you are going to turn everything into a thread-jacking assualt on respect and intelligence just because we disagree on certain issues.
"Following" is exactly what this was...not only was this particular comment posted well after the thread had passed this section by (I glanced through after I finished watching the debate...no, I did not vote on anything, but it's "adorable" you think that's what we do) but all the comments made were unnecessary and intended only to insult and aggrevate--hardly intended to discuss, debate, or explore. Did you discuss Paul's stance on SS, how it was good, how it was bad? No, you spewed BS attacks on someone you disagree with.
If the mere presence of my name on a comment means you are obsessively compelled to spew BS, just ignore me, and I'll do the same for you. Like I said, for someone so critical of Paul supporters who comment everytime they see his name (which I don't, or I would never have made it through this thread) you are doing the exact same thing.
"...then a single other person I've seen on the boards here"
Heh.
Ha.
Hah-hah.
Hahh-hahh-haaa-haaaaaahhhh-haaahaaaaa-hhhwaaah! Hahh-haahhhh-haaaah-haahhhaaa-hhaaah (gasp) haaaa-hahhh-hahhhahahhhhaaahhahh!
(wiping eyes)
Jeebus, kid, get over yourself.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
And these boards are remarkably senseless venom free.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Paranoid is as Ron Paul does. But I'm not going to stop answering you when you come into popular topics just because it makes you feel all tin-hatty.
I didn't know you were a Ronulan until this comment. (And ps. Perhaps you've noticed that there is a recent comments box?) I wonder why I didn't know that until now. Huh, I guess I didn't see all your comments. Man I need to work on my following skills. It's ok, though, I'll get up with my fellow Right Wing Conspirators and the CIA and take some refresher courses right away.
I do so love when someone comes to Redstate and consistently makes disagreeable, distasteful statements, then gets all panty-bunched when people don't like it. How long do we have to listen to your Woe Is Me routine, liandro? Down to the minutes and seconds would be just lovely.
If, that is, you can take time away from inflating polls for your "special" candidate.
Oh, and quit capitalizing my alias. It offends Karl Rove.
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Hunter, Tancredo, and Paul just need to head out. However, every time they talk I have the chance to go to the bathroom.
shakes head
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Not a terrible idea to keep him around to keep the others focused on the issue as well.
Woof Woof Woof we get it Tom...nobody who has ever heard you speak doesn't get it.
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Rudy 9-11, Paul out of Iraq, Mitt some kind of biz plan on how to deal with Iran. Have to say, Fred and the others are not as predictable right now. Chance for Fred to lock up the 10/21 debate in my book.
It's a joke that Ron Paul gets more questions than Huckabee.
Huckabee deserves to be able to answer more questions with his recent success. Treating Huckabee like a "also ran" with Paul is insulting.
Huckabee does very well with his answers given the opportunity. Why must we suffer through Paul instead?
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Heard this from a prominent local county chairman who once worked for Reagan... (oops I'm guilty of it too) by the end of GWB's Presidency. I'm no expert, but if he keeps vetoing everything, this could be a possibility.
But you do realize that we're likely staring at ~$400-$800 billion per year deficits in the coming couple decades.
When SS starts paying out more than it takes in (2018 or so), watch out. We have a long-term, systemic, fundamental budget imbalance....and it comes not from discretionary spending but from the major entitlement programs.
It's a problem today, but it's going to balloon big-time when more and more baby boomers begin retiring (ie, cease putting into the pot and commence taking out of the pot).
It would be nice to see more politicians be frank about this -- because, in the absence of that, it's incredibly easy to talk about new entitlements, etc. In reality, that's fiscally insane.....we're already on the hook for way more than we could hope to afford.
Dump the UN Solid solid Senator McCain.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Good line Big John....K..G..B! LOL LOL
Putin bad guy, dangerous person, rattles saber with missile defense in Eastern Europe.
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Seriously though... I'm pleased to hear discussion of Russia. I think it has been absent in previous debates. They are hardly our buddies.
Sox out of small jam. 2-0 Sox.
yes, it's obvious that the debates are just throwing Paul, Trancedo and Hunter bones now; but I hope Hunter and Trancedo hang it until the end anyways.
It's obvious immigration, China and India and losing jobs overseas are issues that America has great concern over; but the top tier guys are glossing over those now.
It's my opinion, the GOP could make '08 a cakewalk if they'd put them on the party platform and that's not going to happen unless voices like Tom and Duncan keep speaking to the people.
Star Wars works...bang pop...splash...
Duncan's been too long on the Defense committee, he's into the hardware and not the policy stuff.
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we have seato for australia and japan.,
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Rudy is right, lets work with the Allies who supported us in Iraq, expand the role of Australi and lets embrace Japan.
Putin needs a leader who will sit him down and let him know the deal. I dont see Mitt Romney playing that part, Rudy or McCain would in a heartbeat.
Not a supporter, but he seems perhaps a bit confident.
Another Reagan note from Rudy.
The TKK and Northern Kurds are lumped together all the time, they are supposedly not related.
Thank you Fred and Tom Tancredo....
this whole thing is California Dems pandering scheme. This is total bull....
"Nancy Pelosi is not a very good speaker of the house, and she's an even lousier Secretary of State"
BAM!
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Fred should have laid down the law on Pinko Pelosi right away.
Pilosi??? Nice to know Fred knows someone other than Hillary, and the Prime Minister of Canada. Well done Fred, and good props from Tommy T to Fred. Nice stab at Sec. of State... anyone consider that is a possibility if Dem is elected?
Everything folds back.Its like he has unified field theory of everything.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Missiles in Mexico, isn't his time up? Damn, the crowd hates him, especially if he can't get a rise out of the crowd when he announces his service. I've never seen anyone booed like this.
Ron Paul is right: we don't need any of these things.
Unfortunately, these things happen whether we need them or not.
-- digitalhap
RP lives in a holiday from reality!
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One of the main reasons I watch these things closely is because I have a secret fantasy of Duncan Hunter going waterboy on Ron Paul in the middle of one of RP's foreign policy blabbing points.
Rudi's gotta feel like Arod waiting on deck with some rookie pitcher when Paul goes on the 2000 non-intervention route.
Too bad he didn't get an AB that time, but there's been plenty of red meat tonite already.
Treating Ron Paul seriously demeans the presidency.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Huck's a minister, he won't do it, Fred would stuff him in a locker.
who claims he didn't get his fair share of time!
AND HE IS AN IDIOT!!
ONLY HE IS PRANCING!
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Sanctions don't work unless its believable.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I've done stuff, I've got a record, if this is not good enough for you, too darn bad!
Way to go Fred!
Short of a Kiss my **** what else can he say.
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
I'm not sure how ticking off things you did half a century ago say anything about being or not being lazy, or having the energy TODAY to do the job required of POTUS.
He handled the question very well. What did you expect him to say? Give a daily schedule? Would have given to much credit to the question. Lazy is a state of mind, and clearly not applicable to Fred.
They didn't ask him, do you lack energy or stamina necessary, they said, what do you say to people who say you are lazy. Big difference.
I'm with gamecock, it was a grand slam answer.
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he handled the question as well as it could be handled probably, yeah, but that is HARDLY a grandslam. it was a foul off on a defensive swing on a ball he couldn't do anything else with, nothing more. the question itself was stupid and I'm not defending it. there were plenty of ways to get him to address a legitimate concern without phrasing it in such a blunt, idiotic, and nigh-offensive manner. but characterzing the response as a "grand slam" is a prime example of why I can do nothing but roll my eyes at Fredheads and won't consider giving Fred my vote in the primaries.
I disagree. Part of the debate is quotable moments. He took a lame question and made it into a great statement about Fred as a person.
In the same way you don't want Fredheads cheerleading every response, don't poo poo every word he speaks. He did well with it, give credit where due.
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oh come on. that was hardly a quotable moment. and taking issue with the characterization of it as a "grand slam" is hardly "poo poo(ing) every word he speaks." you want a quotable moment, I think his "comfortable mediocrity" line was excellent (though the answer it was couched in was a bit rambling and slow to get started; retooled and repackaged it would be a great campaign theme). so don't pull this verbal jujitsu with me by trying to redefine not fawning over everything he says as attacking him, as so many Fredheads do.
the response was fine and about as good a swing that could be put on a lousy/aggressive pitch/question, as I said (and thus stand mouth open at the attempt to paint me as poo pooing him). but it was a fouloff to stay alive, not a grand slam. claiming otherwise is absurd.
Sorry, my wife and I cheered that one. It was a great way to take a pointedly insulting question and make hay with it. It simply was. I'm established as not a fredhead, so you can take that as you see fit.
I only mention poo pooing him as an in-kind response. You suggest liking that comment means one is a cheerleading fredhead. I am simply taking the reverse position to point out how silly that is.
It was grand slam because it was a nasty question, and because it was the last question. He clearly scored points with it. You don't have to agree. But it is not an absurd position, it's obviously a subjective assessment.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Forced interruption, bad form for Thompson, still a funny line..........
Way to get it in after not only the bell, but the end of the debate. Fred will play by nobody else's rules!!! Scoreboard Thompson... but John and Mike did okay.
I predict the poll says RP
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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He makes the party look insane.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Some of these people in the focus group maybe arent so smart?
Oh well... keep your eyes on the top 4 or 5.
Was he watching the same debate ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
and i'd add, "and Hillary's accomplishments are what in the same time period ?"
3-0 Sox in the 4th. i'm hoping for a Rockies-Sox series !
Except, if only there was some way to get rid of the Rockies.
Sox - Indians is my world series.
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Hillary will DEFINE anti-voter turnout!
People who have never voted before will register to defeat that woman!
Huh... I only saw a few raise their hands for Rudy. Spin, spin!
Great Great Great. Loved Thompson and Romney, Loved McCain and I even Loved Rudy.
Also, some great moments from Huckabee and Hunter, which surprised me.
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I'm okay with Huckabee, wish they gave him more questions. I was not even close on Romney and Rudy. McCain had some decent shots.
has just shown how much more serious and substantive the entire field (save Court Jester Ron Paul, and Tommy One Note) is than anyone on the Democrat side, and what a pathetic, laughable joke the Democrat party has become.
Well I counted 8 out of 25, so that pretty darn good
so won't argue... still would have like him to ask about some others.
Demolished Mr. Combs too! Read up on it Alan.
you are going to love these:
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On October 21st, 2007 Prophet2008 says:
Given the question breakdown Dr Paul is certainly looking Top Tier congratulations to the revolution.reply report as spam
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DISGUSTING FLORIDA STINKS...
On October 21st, 2007 Devils.Advocate says:
Listening to this crowd, one can see how they *cheated* and got George Bush elected.... probably 90% of this NEO-CON CROWD OF IDIOTS still think Bush is wonderful and great and good etc.... this whole debate stunk WORSE THAN THE REST!!!! TEXT IN ASAP....The Booing is Great
On October 21st, 2007 TheRaguu says:
Let's examine this:1. Crowd boos Ron Paul on his stance to bring the troops home
2. 70 percent of Americans want to bring the troops home
3. Ron Paul shows his strength not panderingThis will get people talking.
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They are planted...On October 21st, 2007 Piper says:
....in the audience. Or, this is the worst case of the sheeple I have ever seen. I'm betting that the booer's were planted in the audience though. You all know I'm a democrat voting for Ron Paul.I'll tell you what though...if Ron Paul does not win the primaries....and gets into the general election I will go back to the democrats. I can not stand the neocons up on that stage.
I have been working EXTREMELY hard on changing my democratic friends over to Ron Paul. I have been very successful.
Why are they not letting Ron Paul speak? This is outrageous to me.
Those are from a RP site
did just fine in the debate...
... and then kicked Alan Colmes' butt!
Was it just me, or did Alan go after Fred and leave Rudy alone?
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I just get that trombone from charlie brown when he speaks.
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
After this debate Romney picks up some of Freds Support.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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By being the guy not in the race and being the candidate that isn't the other guys, he now has to be the candidate to the disparate groups that were dissatisfied
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I've been one of those having trouble deciding who I like. I have gone back and forth on Fred, but tonight I thought he was great.
Granted, I was impressed with the whole top tier, but I think Fred was a clear winner. Maybe not the winner of the debate per se, but as far as winning what he was there to win. He answered some critical questions and answered them well.
I also thought Huckabee was a surprising come from behind. But I don't necessarily taking support from Fred. Huck isn't exactly a small-government State's rights conservative.
McCain went a long way toward winning me back. Requires more thought, but really ... well done John.
I liked Romney, he had some good lines. But the thing is, they aren't here to win the debate per se, they are here to win individually. It's a sport of individuals. He didn't lose anything, but what did Mitt gain? I have like Mitt, and certainly I'd support him financially and with actual work if he were the candidate, but he didn't win me over toward his side tonight.
Tonight, my opinions were swayed by Fred Thompson and John McCain, and to me that's a win. I also thought Rudy was great, but still won't support in the primary.
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He scored real points but not any more than the other candidates . But when he did score the intensity seemed less. Romney never hurt himself was on message and came across smooth.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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PLANTED PEOPLE TO BOO.... FLORIDA SUCKS...
On October 21st, 2007 Devils.Advocate says:
This crowd sucked the big one. WAR MONGERING NEO-CONS who were planted to Boo Ron Paul.. DOES THE MEDIA THINK THE SHEEPLE ARE THAT STUPID.... probably... its probably a scam that will work... they didnt dare let *normal* people in but plants.... this whole Repugnican debate shows how MANIPULATED it was. It was STAGED, MANIPULATED, WITH PLANTS IN THE AUDIENCE AND EVERYTHING THEY COULD DO TO DISCREDIT DR. RON PAUL.
I just get angrier and angrier and send in MORE MONEY to Dr. Ron Paul.... its the only way I can vent my anger and get a small measure of revenge/satisfaction....
I am also donating to the Nov 5 Dr. Ron Paul bomb....
The man was given ample time to state his opinions, and the crowd reacted to those opinions, and they are certain it was a conspiracy! crazies -- just crazies!
Florida isn't an early state. New Hampshire is. Remember the applause Ron Paul got in New Hampshire?
It is still frustrating to see the media spin. Does anyone here remember after one of the debates in 2004 between Bush and Kerry, (I think it was on NBC), the anchor went to the focus group that they'd been pushing ALL NIGHT and asked what they thought. One after the other said Bush won...and ALL OF A SUDDEN, they just *had* to cut to a different focus group. They never returned to the first one. It was the most obvious, blatant case of opinion manufacturing.
Fox is just better at it. The unshaven guy in the front row that resembled Alan Greenspan and called Ron Paul insane wrote on Free Republic that he was continually praised by Luntz for his comments...that may or may not have had something to do with his comments being anti-Paul, but one thing is clear: Fox News is rooting for Rudy (that gun-grabbing, liberal judge appointing, abortion-funding liberal wacko). I have no idea why.
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Thanks RP.
Did you hear a bell on that question? Other folks went well beyond the bell. Fred likely thought he got cut off by all the applause...
Fred's comment after the debate to Allan Colmes to go read some history was a classic. It reminded me of the "Christopher" comment at last debate.
Is Fox replaying the debate later? Our cable here in Central Florida, an hour away from the debate, went out and we missed the middle half-hour.
-- I see abortion as a pro-choice issue... the baby's choice would be life. Same as yours was.
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I swear the ending italic tag is in there when I post it. Perhaps the forum software drops it sometimes. And which tags get those fancy block quotes?
Fred was MUCH MUCH better tonight. I am still distressed by his absence from the campaign trail and his speech he gave the other day that was a little too short. That being said Fred did very good I think. I was SOOOOOOO glad that he went after Rudy for being the liberal "wolf in sheep's clothing" that he is. People need to wake up to the fact that in 2000, Rudy said that there was more in common with himself and Hillary than was not in common. I am looking forward to voting for Fred to be president and more so for him being our next president.
GO FRED GO!!!
Christopher C.
He actually talks about conservative principles. In that way, he is like Reagan. He was only 2% behind The Big Liberal (Giuliani) in the post-debate phone poll so hopefully people are listening.
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Giuliani repulsed me as usual, McCain continued to do far better then earlier in the year (although he has been getting better as a trend I think), and Romeny...well, Romney I don't really mind when I read his positions and thoughts. But whenever I watch him I just can't shake that "greasy politican" feeling...perhaps it's all the flip-flop comments getting to me.
I think Paul did fine. I realize he's not popular here, but he presented his opinions in an (always) hostile environment, and I thought his last question was especially well-answered. He talked about why the party has lost it's way, and IMO he's completely right.
Huckabee...I just can't decide about him. I've read some of his literature, bios, etc., but he just doesn't impress me as much as I thought a former pastor would. Then again, I'll sometimes read something about him that impresses me.
Thompson I only saw a couple clips of. His country feel just doesn't ring with me in terms of debates. That's not why I don't support him, but it's a factor when watching debates.
I will never, ever understand why the Indians' 3rd base coach held-up Lofton at 3rd in the top of the 7th...
But the Indians' relief pitching, well, wasn't.
FWIW, I'm predicting a sweep in the WS - whomever wins the first game will win them all.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
I was just waiting for the final score.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
I blame my old thesis advisor from Brown - beat the living karp out of me over my writing. Guess some of it stuck.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
No I wasn't referring to word choice in that sense. I mean as in, you said whomever instead of "the red sox."
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I being a legal alien of Red Sox Nation and all.
Anyway, I put a WS prediction Open Thread up at RS Sports if anyone wants to make a friendly prediction.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
I was thrilled to see Thompson finally call out Giuliani for the Clinton liberal that he really is. It was about time. Romney is an easy target, but Giuliani, the biggest lib on the stage, has somehow managed to sneak by unscathed. Not anymore. I hope Thompson continues to remind Republicans that Rudy never has been a conservative.
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God I loved the 80's
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
campaign in NYC, ergo Giuliani must be a conservative.
George Will also once advocated changing the citizenship requirement for the office of POTUS so Jenn Granholm could run.