The New York Times does its part to ensure John McCain's election.

You know, I have *no idea* whether or not that was the intent.

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We're in Here Be Dragons territory now, folks, and it isn't even July yet. Via Hot Air Headlines, take a gander:

Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own

Emily Nordling has never met a Muslim, at least not to her knowledge. But this spring, Ms. Nordling, a 19-year-old student from Fort Thomas, Ky., gave herself a new middle name on Facebook.com, mimicking her boyfriend and shocking her father.

“Emily Hussein Nordling,” her entry now reads.

With her decision, she joined a growing band of supporters of Senator Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, who are expressing solidarity with him by informally adopting his middle name.

Because - as all men know - nothing says "normal, mainstream behavior" like "symbolically taking on the middle name of your guru."

Read on.

It is a subtly terrifying measure of the impact that this piece had on me that I finished reading it possessed of the vague urge to go find one of the people mentioned, and give him or her an atomic wedgie. And me a card-carrying, roleplaying-game playing, SCA event-attending, 100% certified, Grade A geek, too. This is just so... sad. You can kind of tell that its author Jodi Kantor feels the same way, even if she has the mother-wit not to tell her editor that - and, heck, the editor passed it, so maybe he or she thought that it was sad, too.

Or maybe they really are trying to give McCain a little help, here. This paragraph stands out:

Ms. Miller and her fellow new Husseins are embracing the traditionally Muslim name even as the Obama campaign shies away from Muslim associations. Campaign volunteers ushered two women in head scarves out of a camera’s range at a rally this month in Detroit. (The campaign has apologized.) Aides canceled a December appearance on behalf of Mr. Obama by Representative Keith Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat and the first Muslim congressman.

...not to mention that the Times took the time to paint this movement in an unflattering ("Legally changing names is too much hassle, participants say,") or dismissive ("The movement is hardly a mass one, and it has taken place mostly online, the digital equivalent of wearing a button with a clever, attention-getting message.") way. I especially enjoyed how the quotes were exclusively from "Husseins" living in states that the Obama actually lost: it's the little touches that make or break a hit piece, and reinforcing the failure there was a nice touch.

But perhaps I'm being unfair: maybe there's something to all of this. Maybe it's not just people being so desperate for an overarching meaning to their lives that they're willing to symbolically impose another person's identity on their own. Yeah, I should be fair about it. Heck, how will I know whether it's really all that bad, unless I try something similar? Yeah, I should give it a shot.

So here goes:

Moe Sidney Lane.

[pause]

Good God, but that's pathetic.

Moe Lane

PS: Don't forget: August 4th is Obamaname Day!

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is a horrible mistake amongst the libs. Even the people that come here won't talk about why he should win just their belief he will.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

more Americans will come to realize that Bill Clinton's "moving the Democrat Party to the right" is something that keeps looking better in hindsight.

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the mistake doesn't stop there... The Republicans (a large portion - I might add) have also determined that they have elected the wrong candidate for their party... ah well, let the voters decide between Republican and Democratic candidates. Well, let me tell you, there is not enough difference between the actual governance of the parties to matter! And don't quote the patriotism carp to me at this point (Irag and all - I actually doubt that either would do different).

Many here at Redstate seem to have amnesia when it comes to the requirements of elective office (total party, not the liberal Republicans or the Conservative Republicans). You do need total support from all factions - something that you could only WISH for at this point. Yes, Mr. McCain will win quite a few Independents while losing most of the base..., what the heck, that is the price to pay for winning isn't it (his wish at least). Well, sorry, not this time...much to the dismay of the neo, and liberal Republicans... Well, at least they tried - motto of losers. If this Republican party does not change DRASTICALLY in the near future, it is doomed to failure for many decades or at least until another party overtakes it.

Well, at least it has been fun for me (A hard-nosed Conservative Republican) for the last several decades. I do not look forward to the future...

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Why are you here?

And yes, I am shocked that you of all people are saying that!

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I guess I will continue fighting! (for conservative principals)...

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Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

I am a long term Texan and Dallas Cowboy lover... Beats politics anytime...

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If so, I will gladly quit posting here since I have no idea of who is what! Otherwise, please grant me the leeway to post anti-Republican screeds when they deserve it! If that is against your idea of free speech, please tell me and I will quietly retire... with prejudice I admit!

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Please see the long post I wrote for you.
I tis titled "I have no power to ban you"/

This seems to be "your thing". Question everyone if they are conservative.

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Ask what your goldfish can do for the country.
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Have to make sure you're worshipping the right JSM, and not poppa or grandpa.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Kind of like the kid who ate bugs...

I'd take Sydney as my middle name, however I already have 2 thanks to the foresight of my parents...

Instead of being pirates we change everybody's username to Barack Obama and we all spout empty platitudes all day long.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

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"You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice" - Scott Adams (speaking through Dogbert)

Considering how nuts some of the Obamaniacs are this does not seem so far outside the expected. Case study, Obama Girl:

Or even worse, Hillary Man Fan:


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Very last time we spoke was when she showed me her tattooed eyebrow lines and asked what I thought. I said, "well, I guess there's no turning back now." Didn't go over well but I gotta say, I was honest.

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His name is my name, too...

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I had finally gotten the song out of my head from the trip to the store with my kid earlier.

Now it'll be another hour before I can go to bed.



McCain for POTUS so the left can't ruin SCOTUS.

talk much more about what is wrong with the Republican party and how to correct it rather than continue to go with the flow - which you do with much aplomb. How about doing something constructive and talking about to re-construct this party to be competitive in races! I know I would appreciate that much more that the "go along with the party" attitude. Damn the party, lets do what's right!

Okay, if that does not get me banned, you are all a bunch of pansies...

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nobody will or can respond... No,

I actually mean Restate - Get With The Program! If you are actually a Republican site, you need to look at the REAL picture and report it as such! I am really sick and tired or the "push up Republican" status (and probably most of those here are also). Either say it as it is or shut up. Wouldn't is be really nice to hear actual factual information regarding the party here. Yes, that means actual patterns regarding opinions, voting, etc (good and bad). You really have to quit sanitizing the data like the MSM. The people really do understand and will respond accordingly. I do have hopes, but since RedState seems to be wholly owned by the Republican Party, I have doubts.

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I don't know that we're going to sit around blasting what's wrong with the party....not terribly constructive. However, there have been several posts about how to reconstruct the party and fight to make it what it ought to be.

Read a few of Neil Stevens' posts, for a start.

Oh, and while I don't think you should be banned, I think there should be a strike on your board...for the slam at the end. Completely unnecessary and just turned a legitimate question/request into infantile snark.

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don't have the history... Yes, Neil is one of my heros...probably why I'm still around at all...

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early in the morning just to trifle with a couple of (okay one) nay sayers? I'm sure you have better things to do... Why not leave it to the big boys...

And yes, the party needs blasting in a huge way...

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and perhaps the biggest fun is the denial of that wish.

But I'm free to post whereever I like around here so long as I follow the rules, which I believe I've done for more than 2 years now.

I may not be a big blog writer, but I'm a regular commenter around here and the times I post are irrelvant to that fact.

Go ahead and write your "I got banned" post on Kos. They probably won't verify your statement anyway. Libs don't tend to do that with stuff they want to hear.

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with this sequence of posts. I really was trying to specify my distaste with the way the Republican Party has been performing... but I can understand your concern.

Yes, I am also a regular commentator (albeit, a bit more infrequently that you - maybe) but do on occasion get fed up with the "Go Republican" motto. I am a solid conservative and have never voted for anything but Republican (because they were closer to my beliefs) but the later day Republican Party has much to be desired (for me).

Sorry, if you took this wrong - Kos (geez, give me a break!). I will just ignore this since I have been a member here for longer than I want to know...(longer than you for sure!)... I am just really getting tired of the Republican memo rather than either Conservative view or at least the RIGHT view. Take this as you wish...

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or how long you've been around. Best it does is show you're not a one hour wonder.

You said you wanted to see RedState do something. I merely pointed out that it has happened. I don't deserve the response(s) I've received, as I believe I responded in good faith even if it was not up to your lofty standards.

You want change around here? You've got an account and blog entries. Use them.

Oh, and maybe you should try not disparaging the other RedStaters who might just be part of the army you want for your fight.

See you around.

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up my credentials... I use to go by Deagle before the dbecraft moniker. Just an email problem I assure you. Actually, if you send email to Deagle, I will get it anyway...heh.

I just really love these puffed up contributors (being really "nice" toward all contributors that have been here for years). Hey, no problem, in another couple of years, you can advertise that you have been here longer than me...(if I get banned)...

Did you ever consider yourself an ... without much thinking about what you were saying...?

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don't you think?

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I have been trying to ban myself for several months with little success. So....If this works, I not only congratulate you, but thank you...

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Let me say that you have been one of the stalwarts that I admire... It would be a shame that your were the one to ban me since we agree on so much. Oh well, such is life...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

but in the past, Good bye meant just that... No more blogging, ie you're GONE. If he meant different, I can not be blamed for assuming that the normal method that such words specify was being applied....

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I am a bit displeased with your response since we agree on
so much. I continue to be a very conservative Republican trying to save the party, just what are you?

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Not sure I would if I could.
Sorry to be back to you so late.
Look, politics is war without bullets.
You get the army you go to war with, not the one you ideally want.
Campaigns are battles without violence, except in third world countries or civil wars.
McCain is our guy. He is electable. He won the primary fair and square. He is honorable, has served with blood and bone, and is tough.
I know of nobody else available right now to lead better than he is right now.
If there was, I would have backed him instead.
But McCain is it.
We either win with him or get Obama.
I am old enough to have lived through Carter, and watched this country get screwed up in ways we are still paying and bleeding for.
Obama is, for me, Carter^2. Obama could screw up so that we pay with cities, territory, permanent disablement at the national level. He tosses everything else under the bus for venal expediency. Why not the national interest?
If Obama was any more of a light weight, they would have to tether him to the ground to keep him from floating away.
I reflexively reject any candidate who relies on a cult of personality to sustain his support.
I am against a candidate who has mommy and daddy issues he wears on his sleeve. I do not want a President who still on a a Siddhartha journey to himself. Obama is all of that and even less.
The flip side is this:
I am loyal. I will not stab McCain. He is my guy, warts and all. I will not, in my own tiny way, ever hear McCain ask of me, "Et tu?".
WE have a choice, the sane know the choice is McCain or Obama.
As frustrating as it is, I will stay sane in this election and work, and contribute and vote Republican and McCain.
We are still the party of ideas. We are the party that won the Cold War. We are the party that started a generation of prosperity. We are the party that got oil prices down last time they were high. We are the party that stopped terrorist attacks on this nation after 911. We are the party that brought taxes down from the 70% level of Carter and have kept them low in the face of huge democrat pressure. WE are the party that has seen more people own their own homes than any other time in our national existence.
McCain is part of that tradition and I am tired of people poor mouthing him and whining.

the National Anthem playing while reading your post. Thanks,I needed that.

I see no need to ban another conservative for standing on what he thinks. However,I do think at this point in the election unity is the answer now,we have always been able to work out our problems within our own party in a civil manner.

Okay I said it! Yes Maggie, while I agree with your sentiments and Hunters, you are only fooling yourselves. I'm not going into the specifics because you would cite some poll to refute it anyway... All I can say is that this is a very disparaging moment in politics (Mainly for the Republican Party) and less for the Democrats.

Yes, we will lose this election, but not because of principle - Republicans have none! This election will be lost because most of the public sees the Republicans and "me too" Democrats that were caught at the public trough. Hell, might as well elect a Democrat (at least we know he will be corrupt) as elect a Republican and worry about guessing.

Damn it all and I am a Hard Core Conservative with no party to vote for...!!

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

Country, politics, party just what order do you place those in ?

McCain is not the candidate that I want but he is nobody's catspaw. I also have no doubt he loves this country.

Obama is everybody's catspaw. Heck he is little more than a sock puppet for people that could never be elected. While he may not hate this country he has no trouble working with and supporting and being supported by people that do.

You may not have a party to vote for but there are candidates to vote for and candidates to vote against.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

and yes, politics is a violent game at times...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

similar arguments in the past... I guess this is the time to fold the tent (so to speak)... Oh well, I don't post for popular response.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

You're just a troll who says ridiculous things to inflame, and then backs down and runs without being able to provide any defenses for your out-there assertions, such as the Republican party being defunct.

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Everything I have posted I mean... and I mean everything I have posted! Any other questions? I am a hard core conservative and will continue to be such regardless of who is the elected Republican (Democrats are out by default)... So, If you don't like what I am saying, you are free to ban me. Until then, I will fight for the conservative cause!

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yourself....WORDS mean something....if you write as a conservative then you need not have to proclaim you are one...either for the record or in defense of your record.

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

Just do/say whatever you want to do... I give up!

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in the future by winning the argument and getting our opposition to give up ;-)

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You're a hard core nothing. You're more worried about beating your chest than you are advancing what America needs.

A hard core conservative would emulate Reagan and get to work electing the right people, working for the future. You just run and cower, whining about how you don't like the party right now.

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surprise and shock me! I don't think that my comments shocked Maggie. I guess the RedState people are too involved in politics to speak their minds...too bad especially these days.

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surprise me that so many jump to defend a defunct and actually lousy party (at this time). Does that mean that we are not all conservatives or just that you are throwing out the conservatives? Lighten up guys, even you know that the Republican Party is NOT doing well. It would be much better that you find answers rather than defend the status quo...

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unhappy as you appear to be than start your own glorious party and see how that works out for you. The rest of us will work within the apparatus that is closest to our beliefs to achieve our goals.

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

Show some stats.
Dukakis had a bigger lead over GHW Bush this time in 1988.
Kerry ditto over GW.
Both Bush Presidents served well and accomplished much good.
It was posturing by those who demand perfection that allowed the disgusting Clinton in.
This election will be much narrower than you think. I hope you always know that, despite any sharp words or snark I undiplomatically may toss around, that I respect you. I hope you will decide to at least vote in a way that actually advances the national interest, and not turn it over by default to a group that we know is going to undermine that interest.

Thanks.

Seems to be a common problem for men from the twin cities of Hope and Auda.

to this since I have spent most of my life struggling for the Conservative cause.... Just why the silly response...

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to ban (probably a good thing), you really should not resort to such silly statements. Maybe you are or wish to be in the "banning" group but have been declined. I would have to say that it was a good decision since you seem to fly off the handle at times.

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And I have never asked for, nor have I sought, to be able to do that.
I would suggest that being willing to dump it all in favor of Obama by default is pretty much flying off the handle, as well.
The Obamatomization of America will not be a good thing.

with a passion (not that you would know but it is severe), so maybe all of your silly statements are null and void. Well, anyway, if you look up my history, you would know that I would not vote for Obama if he was the only one running... Oh well, have a good one...(regardless of your silly comments)...

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But the election cycle will soon be frenetic and we will no longer have the luxury. The Obamatons will be marching massively. Mordor and its eye will be seeking the good and holding many in trance.
WE must hold fast and steady.

I slam McCain and the stupid party all the time. I make myself so obnoxious about half of the regulars won't respond to me anymore.

It's still just a blog site, yes we have some influential people who lurk, and occasionally a congressman will post something. But we are not like the liberals. Conservatives are by definition not bandwagon followers so a web site cannot launch a reform program.

Sometimes I wish we were a little more like the liberals. They can issue a directive from Huffpo and Kos and get everyone on board for a smear campaign. But conservatives are not like that.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

but I get impatient for a blog that actually pulls for a Republican majority for the RIGHT reasons. Seems these days that everything is up in the air - power comes with status, not beliefs. I really hate a site that belongs to the party instead of the correct ideas.

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on this site have become quite tiresome. We've had a week or more about how we're all sinners writhing in the hands of an angry God. Shall we just be completely true to the Faith and, say, behead all those who've engaged in apostasy towards the one true conservative Faith.

We are what we are and we have the candidate we have, and whatever else he is or isn't, he isn't Barack Obama and his band of crooks and loons. Now if you, Ace, LanceKates and a few others can't stand the polluted atmosphere, form your own party, start your own board and you can all be self-satisfied together with the two or three percent of the electorate that might gravitate to your point of view.

In Vino Veritas

your beliefs as well as I can... Your welcome to it. Eventually, the Republican party will become something (maybe in-between our beliefs or maybe otherwise) worth fighting for. That decision is my own and only my own...and I will fight for my beliefs just as you seem to do. Let the better man win - that is the American way...

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and our candidate is "xxx"... Oh well, nothing like another robot to sanction the selection process....

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You really should if you follow the selected path...but, hey - is that the right path? Who knows, the party selected him/her so it must be okay... Your just another robot (maybe?)...

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of you are. I'm lots of things, including one of the very few here who has actually been in a position to govern as a Republican, but, no, I'm not a robot.

I've known lots of politicians at the State and federal level. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of them that I even liked and the number with whom I felt any fundamental agreement on principles, policies, and methods is even smaller. If there is some politician that you like, that you see as a kindred spirit that will lead you to the Promised Land, you probably don't know him/her well enough. The kinds of people who can actually achieve and sustain themselves in statewide and federal offices are almost all deeply, deeply flawed. The poll and soundbite driven world in which they live makes them almost totally superficial role-players and after a while, there's not much there there.

To be successful as a governing coalition, use party for shorthand, but it can be mulit-party, you have to find those people with the good hair and ready smile who can recite the right lines any time, any where, under any circumstance. Then through both Party resouces and staff and constituent pressure, you direct that automaton to do what needs doing and say what needs saying to both achieve your constituencies' objectives and sustain yourselves in power as a governing coalition. There's nothing pure or even much ideological about it.

It took from the Civil War until the 1970s to fully form the Imperial Federal Government. Nobody, and no foreseeable combination of bodies, is going to undo that century of incremental federal dominance and socialist model governance at a stroke. If you want to reduce the federal government and its role in our economy and lives, you have to run and get elected on that program and you have to get fifty percent plus one of a very diverse body representing very diverse interests to agree with you. And you have to do that with the certain knowledge that the Northeast, the Left Coast, all the cities in the Country, and most of the media will hate you and your program. It ain't no task for the true believer.

In Vino Veritas

I actually know that but in the heat of posting, I make many errors... If that is all you have, you must not be looking closely...

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so maybe you can read the rest and learn something.

In Vino Veritas

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politicians? The scum of the earth... ah, I salute your progress in the "I know ?" business...hehe... Your are a clown and just don't know it yet...

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It's getting skinny, and it's so last week. Plus you don't really want to tangle with Achance.

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AChance and dbecraft,

KNOCK IT OFF!

You guys need each other, and we all need both of you to get the party back where it needs to be.

dbecraft: AChance is the mechanics guy. We ain't getting nothing done without somebody like him pointing out where the machinery is broken, how best to fix it, and how best to operate it regardless of what condition it is in. We have have the ideas, but most of the time we're going to be lousy at delivering them. AChance is the kind of guy who'll help us get it there if we listen carefully to him about how to implement our ideas.

AChance: dbecraft is an idea guy. Without him you're not going to be able to motivate the base. Yeah, I know, you've spent most of your life working to convert the margin players so you can get the important stuff through so you tend to focus on making sure they aren't turned away by the base. Problem is, if you lose the base the margin players don't matter anymore. He may be irritating in the way he's presenting himself but he's voicing real concern. I'd suggest trying to think of him the same way you think about the margin players: You need him to make the coalition work just like you need the moderate, so what are his core concerns that will keep him voting for you procedurally?

D*mn I hate when I feel compelled to try to be the diplomat! I'm really not cut out for it.

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but actually it is a good thing that these kind of discussions occur...even if this site discourages it. Maybe in the long run, we can all come together... I really do appreciate you mediating of the argument, but is that really constructive? Sometimes, the best result is an out and out fight (the best argument wins)...(Okay, in politics, that is unlikely - I agree).

Your statements did make sense though - mechanics vs idea people (and I am definitely an idea man politically). It's just a shame that they are so far apart these days.

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A wee bit much on the unity and conformity idea.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

so long as they stick to attacking the positions not the people. I don't think either of you clearly crossed the line, but it was getting awfully close.

And yes, I've been involved in worse ones, started a few, ended a few, and am even still friendly with some people who were on the opposite side in some of the most heated ones.

An out and out fight that advances the position of the army is good, one that just leaves injured or dead bodies is useless.

actually would not mind if I were not part of the discussion. I seems (nowadays) that most think that McCain is a grand candidate so I am on the outside looking in. I would not mind being banned from writing my opinion (at least I would understand why - for unity), but I really think that it would be bad (worse than bad) for the Republican Party as a coercive political force. It really is not a matter of WHO is elected but of the ideas they represent. Those ideas will resonate far longer than any individual and that is what makes this election so problematic. Oh well, this old guy needs to retire from politics anyway... mercy...

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and ones of these days I'll get around to writing it. But I still need to do some more reading, and then I need to be very careful about how I write it.

"If you want to reduce the federal government and its role in our economy and lives, you have to run and get elected on that program and you have to get fifty percent plus one of a very diverse body representing very diverse interests to agree with you. And you have to do that with the certain knowledge that the Northeast, the Left Coast, all the cities in the Country, and most of the media will hate you and your program. It ain't no task for the true believer."

Actually, that goal of accomplishing smaller govt through the hard work of participatory democratic politics is precisely the task for the true believer.

The question that needs to be answered for those of us who want smaller govt and more freedom, is:
"*HOW* can you reduce the federal government and its role in our economy and lives?"
Now, there are 2 major parties, one is *relatively* for smaller Govt compared with the other. Move the GOP right, move the country towards the GOP, and get the 'right' ideas exposure and agreement.

If you are true believer, you have to beleive in small victories, because in politics that is the only kind of wins you get.

Defeating Obama and defeating every Democrat candidate possible in the House and Senate races in the fall will be a blow to the left. It will be a victory for conservatives.

just open your live to the universe, and have lots and lots of money to battle the antagonistic elements and you will win your way to the election. Hey, not a problem anyway, the Party will help you - hehe. Okay, if you win anyway, we will support you (as long as you are within the party politics). Okay, in other words, if you disagree with any major party official, you're on your own...

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of your infantile opinions. You are not likely to find it here. Most on Redstate are adults who can see the big picture. None of us are satisfied with the state of our party, but we will support and develop the Palins, the DeMints, the Jindals and the Thompsons, so that AFTER we WIN this election, we can begin to put the party back on track.

Grow up or go away!

Those who control energy, control society.

A year ago, my comments resonated! Hmmm... are they time related or maybe circumstance related? I really don't care if they ban me here as I will continue to fight for a conservative cause (somewhere). This is (was) a conservative Republican site and as long as they let me, I will vent! (both good and bad). If you can't handle it, leave...

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A year ago we were trying to pick a nominee. Now we're trying to protect the country from the Obamination. Two different goals with two different strategies. Remaking the party will just have to wait a few months.

As for "If you can't handle it, leave...; it doesn't take long to recognize the idiots on the site. I only spar with people like you when I'm feeling generous.

(pause)

oops! That generous feeling is gone now.

Bye :)

Those who control energy, control society.

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maybe he'll be in a better mood in a few days - or not.

In Vino Veritas

I share many of your beliefs and frustrations. I think many on this site do.

However, I also believe it is time for us (this includes me) to stop coming here to, intentionally or not, poke people in the eye. God knows we hated it when McCain did it to us. I understand the need to vent, and there are some comments I find I cannot ignore, but I do not believe anyone is being won over by what discussions like this ultimately lead to. I might also add that there are some that differ with me on this issue whose attitudes and posts only harden my position. That's not how things get done, or resolved. What's done is done, the Directors and moderators have made things clear, and that is just the way things are.

Are they wrong? Are we wrong? As my brother used to say, "We're fixin' to find out." I pray for the day I come back here and say "You know guys, John McCain has done almost as much to advance conservative principles as Ronald Reagan." If that happens, I'll damn sure do it, too.

Again, as someone who has argued forcefully in the past about moderates, McCain, etc, as someone who recently left the party after many years, and as someone who shares many of your opinions - not all, but many - the time has come to stop, at least on this site.

Please.

"Sometimes I wish we were a little more like the liberals. They can issue a directive from Huffpo and Kos and get everyone on board for a smear campaign. But conservatives are not like that."

Maybe that's why the Dems are cleaning the GOP clocks lately.
There was a time when GOP activists were happy warriors willing to help eachother and not disgruntled no-can-do sourpuss types. I miss those days. We used to win.

We've gone from winning to whining, and I cant wait for this phase to pass.

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of what countries, at what points in their more or less recent history, saw large numbers of what politician's supporters adopt their political leader's names, as part of either their own or their children's.

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that Hunter is not the Conservative that I thought he was...and it is causing me to say unkind things....

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because of anyone else. I don't recall that it is a rule here that any of us have to align ourselves with your standards or beliefs. Many of us have expressed our discontent with things that the R party has done/is doing, but it is what it is.

Climb down off your high horse and help us win against Obama, otherwise you will have a whole lot more to complain about other than conservative purity.

Just stateing what I have discovered during the last few days...(no high horse here)... Obama has plenty of negatives, it is the go along, get along Republicans that I'm worried about.

Since you have intervened, I imagine that you are against free speech? I have no standards that apply other than to express my opinion - that is it...

You're free to believe what you want (freedom of speech is one of my major beliefs). In argument against, I thought he was a conservative, but his continual belligerent attitude toward free speech changed my opinion - not that it should change yours (actually it should not - he was a good conservative).

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us, but they do not represent the kind of danger that Obama and his acolytes do. You are busy attacking the rearguard while the main force is attempting to fight the enemy and achieve victory.

I'm not suggesting that you lay down your beliefs and gripes about the party, I'm just saying that we have a more important battle in front of us right now.

As to free speech, I'm all in favor of it. But I stand by what I said in terms of no one has to prove their conservative creds to you.

Yes, Obama is the problem but the Republican Party is a much larger and longer lasting problem. Yep, we can discard those problems and elect Obama (going to happen whether you vote or not) but it will not solve the long lasting problem of the Republicans. Unless they make major changes (and I don't mean imitating the Democrats) they are either a "Gone" party or a striving party for the next 20 years or so...

Geez, I would not even vote for them in today's environment! Seems that most are corrupt or so involved in re-election that they throw their principals out the door (if they had any to begin with). Who can we buy today...

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Not only can't it change if you destroyed it whatever party replaced would reform in nearly exactly its image.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

of the people that make it up. We owe that to senator Goldwater.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

*Nixon*. Why don't you just do as he did, and support McCain?

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Matter of fact I did a blog on why he deserves support way back after Rudy got knocked out.


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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I got crossed up. I thought I was replying to dbecraft, sorry.

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it did the job of pointing to a Republican problem... (Major)...

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Do you think it is good and healthy for our nation that a cult of personality has formed around Obama?
Do you think we are advanced and better off as Americans that Obamatons are scoping around, cleansing google, messing with wiki, and who knows what else?
That is what I was referring to.
My conservative values have not changed. I am an American before being a Conservative or a Republican. I stand by this nation first last and always. I pledge allegiance to this nation, not this political movement or party.
So when the fight is on, I fight for what I think is best for America.
We are long past the nomination fight. We have our general. His name is John McCain. He may lose, but I will not surrender.
After the Obamatization of America, and we have that pesky talk radio censored, the internet suppressed and a real incumbent re-election protection plan in place, along with out-and-out amnesty and fast track citizenship for illegals, do you think it will be any easier for Conservative ideas to win at the ballot?
After we squander our national wealth on idiot magic energy plans, and even more aggressive carbon caps, do you think we will be closer to remaining a world power able to defend ourselves and project power or farther?
WE know the democrats want to deal with the Super Power challenge by punting. In Obama, they have the best punter in American politics since Carter.
McCain, on the other hand, puts country first and always. he has proven it over his life.

To confuse Spartacus the freedom fighter with Obama is so sad.

That's why I put it in quotes. It's the Yeswiccans who confuse Obama with a freedom fighter and take his name in solidarity.

I did not mean to imply it was something you were saying.
For the Obamatons, I am sure their weak view of Spartacus leads them to think that somehow the pampered, privileged, wealthy Obama is some sort of Spartacus striking out at the machine.
Instead they are being duped into backing Crassius or even J. Caesar for the ultimate demise of the Republic.

what concerns me is that I'm not sure it will pause in November, regardless of which candidate wins. I know it never really ends, but at least there use to be a break every once in a while.

It's called disagreement. Have you not had other thoughts?

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in this thread, yes, many (some of which I finally got around to putting in a blog article). And if you check my posting while the primaries were in full force, I think you'll find I'm pretty much in agreement with you over McCain. But McCain won and we can't undo that. Focus on what we can do, and try not to get turned off by him.

The above disagreement with AChance was just getting a bit too heated. I like reading both of your posts: yours because I tend to agree with you, AChance's because he tells it like it is when you're in the trenches. And partly because in different places I have played both rolls.

and not a response to Achance (good conservative)... Feel free to jump on me here without regard to the previous thread... I just can't help it, I am so disgusted with the Republican Party that I tend to get verbose!

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I guess I can sort of see that.

If your so disgusted with the Republican party right now, I'd suggest writing your own blog. We've had several of them over the past month and they always seem to get a lot of comments. I have no doubt we will continue to see more. If I see it while it is active I'll probably add some comments (maybe even lengthy ones). But this is starting to look a bit too much like a threadjack on what is Moe's posting, so I think this will be my last response to you here.

And remember, no matter how bad it seems right now, we've made through Nixon, Carter, and Clinton, trying times all. We'll make it through the next one too, because it's actually all in God's hands, not ours.

as far as making it through the next presidency... As to writing a blog, it unfortunately read like a screed against all politicians (and rightly so). I guess I have become so disgusted with politicians that it would not be fair to write about them.

Writing about the Republicans would be worse than useless anyway, those in power (even minority) retain their power through so many advantages that it just does not seem to matter anymore... Yes, I am disillusioned about politics - totally!

Too old to vote and too old to care anymore...

(But I do get my kicks yelling at young conservatives).

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American needs to understand that the Obama movement has become a cult. The NYT article mentions just one example of what is occurring within the campaign.

A cult follower is one who who goes along with an exclusive system of beliefs and practices. Their beliefs are based on a 'guru.'

This is no way to elect a President. The new Democratic Party has become a cult, not a political party, which is lead by Obama.

to most kids ,today and always. If you join in the biggest or the loudest group in your school or town it makes you "somebody". That's what they have done. Bill Oreilly had asked 2 college students why they supported Obama and they gave the same answers you find on his website but couldn't account for the whys or how to's of his plans. Or the consequences of of these plans. If Obama jumped off a cliff they probably would follow.

John McCain is only our second potential "Mc" President, after McKinley.

Wise Old McSuperGenius

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How long until the NYT changes its middle name too?

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I'm posting on the main thread because there are so many sub-threads full of crap that I couldn't pick the right one.

Moe, Erick, or whoever's on duty today, could you PLEASE put an end to this ridiculous stupidity that keeps coming up.

If you TrueBelievers™ think they need to stir up trouble, please go elsewhere to do it. The rest of us are concerned about the matter at hand, which is defeating The Marxist. The time to try to change the GOP is a) during the primary and b) after the election, when you won't be damaging our ability to win.

I think for the duration of the election season, it's time to re-mission Redstate.com and state that this is a Republican site that has the objective of electing Republican candidates. After the election, we can go back to the intellectual gymnastics about who's a conservative and what the party needs to do.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR IT


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We need our good people. If it means we need to give them some time and a lot chances to come on board, I am in favor of it.
If we tell everyone who has a case of nerves before the fight is truly engaged to take a long walk off a short pier, we will regret it.
It will be OK.
I do not want a repeat of 1976, where bad feelings and ultimatums led to the Carterization of America. Unity is worth fighting for and patience is a great tool in a fight. I am learning a lot from this thread. Let us keep it going.
And if I do say so myself, I think I have posted some pretty good stuff on unity here.

the pissing match that you and the others just went through has been hashed out here OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER on Redstate already over the last week. It's getting WAY OLD. I am all for unity. What I am NOT for is people damaging the effort to defeat the enemy. The objective now is to support the Republican candidate. As I said, after the election is over and we've either won or lost, we can strategize. Right now there is one objective and one objective only: win the White House.


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This is not a rapture. We are gathering our friends, and dbecraft is a friend, for an important movement. If some are running late, that is OK.

Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general. And there's no contradiction, compromise, or gymnastics needed to be that way either.

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Either that, or do something like I suggest and remove the "conservative" safety valve that's in that description until after the election. After that, we can start critiquing McCain and try to Harriet him into submission.


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The directors endorsed McCain.



McCain for POTUS so the left can't ruin SCOTUS.

But I'll reserve them for the Contact link the next time one of these episodes breaks out again.


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Sad to see such supporters suffering from OBAMNEUROSIS. There are none so blind as the obamneurotics.

 
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