The Romney Advantage: Who Needs Grassroots When You Can Afford Astroturf

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The other candidates running for the GOP nomination have run smack into the Romney money advantage today down in Florida. The Young Republicans are having their national hedonism convention. Somehow or another, I guess by the Executive Committee (the folks I've talked to aren't too sure), the traditional rule that only delegates can vote in the YR straw poll has been changed.

Now, anyone who goes to tonight's dinner can vote in the YR straw poll, a big deviation from the historic pattern and practice.

The dinner's keynote speaker tonight? Mitt Romney.

The dinner's sponsor? Mitt Romney.

The youth Republicans phone banking today to get people out for tonight's dinner were even supplied by Mitt Romney.

The other candidates can't compete with astroturf like that.

Some delegates are expected to make a motion to return the YR straw poll to the way it's always been, or to at least separate out the delegates' votes. Already rumors are circulating that the YR powers that be intend to rule the motion out of order, thereby setting up a parliamentary dispute and an appeal to the convention.

Romney may or may not have the most support at the YR's, but that's not a gamble he has to take with his money advantage.

[UPDATE:] Several people remind me that this is kind of like what happened at the Cobb County GOP BBQ here in Georgia on the 4th. It is a huge annual event complete with straw poll. Romney volunteers loitered around the straw poll ballot table urging people to refrain from voting for Fred Thompson, who still came in first. Romney came in third, behind Ron Paul.

[UPDATE 2:] This just might explain how the rules were changed -- the Executive Director of the Young Republicans is also the St. Johns County Chair for Romney's campaign.


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The forces of the Mitt are playing smart and hard. Get the Might Momentum going then play up the great success that the Mighty 'Mo indicates. It's the old get the bandwagon going, one way or the other and hope that everyone climbs aboard.

Look for the usual Romneybots to post glowing results of the YR straw poll in the coming days.

Wondering aloud if the greater news coverage by Blogs and such make this sort of play a bit more risky in the long run. Shinning daylight on this sort of stuff does not make the Candidate or the campaign look good.

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Fred...Fred...Fred..!

It shows that we have republican candidate who can run a good campaign, and is in it, to win. There was nothing stoping the other campaigns and noncampaigns from doing this, Romney simply beat them. What's wrong with that?
With what we're up against next year between the media and the Clinton machine, we need a candidate who is willing to play hardball.
I'm getting more and more excited about our field because I think the three legit contenders (Romney, Thompson, Rudy) are looking stronger than ever. The race looks like it will come down to weather Romney's organization strength and likely early primary wins will over take the national following of the other two candidates.

I'm really surprised that the Romney-Bots are out so early. This is almost like seeing Christmas decorations before Halloween.

Heck, Romney is so inevitable in this race the other campaigns ought to just fold their tents now and jump on the Romney bandwagon.....or NOT!

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Fred...Fred...Fred..!

I can see how you would declare me a "Romney-bot" because I complimented the top three candidates on the GOP side. Makes perfect sense, or not.

tzack18

There's the function called "track" which allows readers to track the posting history of folks.

In the seven weeks, three days of your contribution to RS, the overwhelming majority of them have been of the Romney-Bot variety. Nothing wrong with being a Romney-Bot, and honestly you're a pretty moderate one. You at least take breaths in between praising Mitt.

By the way, I happen to think Mitt would make a fine President, as would several others in the running right now. It's just the breathless commentary, puffing of meaningless straw polls, proclamations in regards to meaningless endorsements by meaningless politicians and other way over the top Bot activities which tend to get up my nose. If I want to read that sort of stuff, I can go to any of the campaigns web site for a dose of it.

So please accept my apologizes if you are not a Romney-Bot, my mistake.

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None of the Above !

Somehow attacking anyone who might post anything non-negative about Romney on FRedState as "Romney-bots" loses its credibility when the accusers tag-line reads "Fred . . . Fred . . . Fred . . . !" Very "bot-like" IMO.

Jeff Fuller
http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/
See my disclaimer of Romney Support at my blogsite line above (essentially I'm an unpaid grassroots supporter/blogger).

for the Romney campaign had it not been exposed. Romney, sweeping in, conquering the idealistic minds of the Young Republicans, is almost New Frontier stuff.

That it will be contrived underscores the opinion of some that Mitt Romney's candidacy is contrived.

can be bought for a crappy chicken dinner.

In fairness, GA bbq ain't a crappy chicken dinner, that's probably worth selling a vote for.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

"Boston, MA - Today, Governor Mitt Romney announced the campaign's first group of Florida County Chairs. These 59 individuals will lead the campaign's efforts in nearly half of Florida's 67 counties. They will build and expand Governor Romney's grassroots infrastructure across the state, helping to share his vision for America's future with more Floridians.
St. Johns:
- Young Republican National Federation Executive Director and St. Johns County State Republican Committeeman Jon Woodard"

Hey, looks like Mitt and company got their training on ballot box stuffing techniques from the late great John Daley political machine in Chicago.

Great work guys!

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Fred...Fred...Fred..!

>>>the late great John Daley political machine in Chicago.<<<

John Daly the golfer, or Richard Daley the mayor?

:-)

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Fred...Fred...Fred..!

That's akin to saying that Tiger Woods got a bogey on the 18th today, he plays just like me.

Daley was the modern day Boss Tweed. The Mittster isn't in the same league in any manner or means.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I did not mean to imply that the Mittanator was even in the same league as Daley, but these sorts of games are not a good thing, and do smack of old time machine politics.

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Fred...Fred...Fred..!

kidding. I've read enough of your stuff to know that, while you're not as smart as Franz (but hey, nobody is) you're certainly not THAT dumb. ;>)
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

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Fred...Fred...Fred..!

Who generates "the buzz"? Who walks into a room and ignotes the place with his presence? Romney never has and it looks likely that he never will. Rudy has, to an extent.

Thompson? Well, HERE.

Mark,

Who knows, maybe team Mitt will be handing out free Red Bull based Bull Blasters to those YR's convention goers willing to vote for him in this pseudo straw poll. Ought to generate some "buzz".

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None of the Above !

Anybody know what the format for the straw poll is? Do they give the delegates a list of choices or is it an "all-write-in" deal? If the former, is Fred Thompson being included in the choices or not?

The details will be important in interpreting the results, especially in light of the "thumb on the scales" the Romney folks are trying to pull off.

The Republican Convention only gave enough tickets for some of the Illinois delegates/Republicans. (The establishment has not a fan of Lincoln).

So Lincoln's campaign printed fake tickets and packed the convention hall with his supporters.

Of course, heels use these tactics just as often as quality candidates.

This is just how politics work. The important thing to take from this is that it shows Romney has an organization in Florida and has not decided to concede the state to Rudy or Thompson.

The actual results are meaningless- like all straw polls.

Giuliani has:

1) More cash-on-hand than any candidate (including Romney)
2) Way better poll numbers in FL than Romney
3) Better poll numbers nationwide in the 18-25 demographic than any candidate.

This CRs event in FL should be an absolute slam dunk for Rudy.

But the only "story" here is that Romney's money that will buy him this win? Talk about agenda-driven pre-emptive spin.

Jeff Fuller
http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/
See my disclaimer of Romney Support at my blogsite line above (essentially I'm an unpaid grassroots supporter/blogger).

College Republicans are in college.
Young Republicans are ages 18-40.

Aside from that, I don't think CRs like Rudy very much. Not sure about YRs - they tend to be a little more moderate, but YMMV.

jfuller

Nice Spin, when is the rest of the spin going to be posted? You know the one where you tout the overwhelming endorsement the Mittanator got at the YR's convention this weekend. The reverse English you got going on the ball with the comments about Rudy's gigantic war chest sets up the victory you will report as even more significant.

You know, the one where Mitt used his campaign dollars to insure there was a victory that could be talked up as has been described in this thread. That's a heck of a victory after all, proving once again that if you throw enough money around, you can win just about any straw poll.

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None of the Above !

Keep attacking your "Romney-bot Straw Man." I mean, why do us Romney supporters even post anything here if RedStaters like you and Erick are completely prescient and sarcastically post our distorted spin before-the-fact? You guys seem to really enjoy your spin parade and I should just leave you to it.

But . . . the comment about Rudy's cash on hand was in rebuttal to Erick's inane comment that "The other candidates can't compete with astroturf like that." . . . implying that Romney's got a team and money and no one else does.

About spin . . . Read Erick's entry again and tell me who's spinning something (pre-emptively even).

PS. Did you change your tag line? What happened to your "Fred . . . Fred . . . Fred . . . !" tag line?

Jeff Fuller
http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/
See my disclaimer of Romney Support at my blogsite line above (essentially I'm an unpaid grassroots supporter/blogger).

Giuliani's cash on hand is only partly relevant because whenever Mitt needs money, he taps his $200 million fortune for loans. What has he lent himself - $9 million already? You can't seriously get away with painting Mitt with a cash disadvantage.

There is nothing lonelier than being a black Republican in Boston, Massachusetts

But you can't paint Giuliani as cash disadvantaged either.

www.mymanmitt.com
www.race42008.com
Member of Romney for President Faith and Values Steering Committee-an unpaid advisory position, that does not require an endorsement.

try to paint Mitt as at a cash disadvantage. Just saying that Rudy (and probably "Fred?") has plenty of dough.

I'm getting tired of people here putting words in my mouth.

Jeff Fuller
http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/
See my disclaimer of Romney Support at my blogsite line above (essentially I'm an unpaid grassroots supporter/blogger).

jf

Try posting while taking breaths between singing your Romney hosannas and you might get a bit more 'cred.

If you go back and read up thread a bit, you'll find I actually think Romney might make a good president, and I could vote for him on his skills as an executive alone. What I object to from you folks, is the totally breathless puffery which Romney-Bots report each bowel movement he takes. If I want to read that sort of pap I can go to the candidates web sites.

Post some information about a issues speech Mitt gave on what he would do in Iraq, what he would do about the coming social security collapse, plans to address heath care for Americans, illegal immigration. That I want to listen to, not some flack stuff about what politicians have endorsed him, or what straw poll he has won, those are boring and just plain annoying to most here on RS where people tend to be a bit wonkish when it comes to issues discussions.

Oh by the way...you had a valid point, my tag line made it appear that I was a bad as you, with a dog in the fight and arguing from the point of being a Fredster, in short, the pot calling the kettle black.

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None of the Above !

Why must you come off so condescending? It just makes you sound bad.

www.mymanmitt.com
www.race42008.com
Member of Romney for President Faith and Values Steering Committee-an unpaid advisory position, that does not require an endorsement.

I'm worried that you've entered a delusional state.

Where in this thread have I "sung Romney hosannas" or added
"totally breathless puffery"?

Oh, I forgot that you're still attacking your imaginary "Romney-bot Straw Man" so I'll try to take it personally.

And you need to do a little reading before claiming that every RomneyBot just posts inane stuff. I've added some substantive and oft-times completely original content about Romney's record here on just about every issue that you claim I ignore.

Jihadism http://www.redstate.com/blogs/jjfuller72/2006/sep/11/know_thine_enemy_ro...
HealthCare
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/jjfuller72/2006/may/29/defending_romneycar...
Iraq
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/jjfuller72/2007/mar/24/romneys_strong_stan...
Plus I had some solid stuff on Immigration and Homeland Security that apparently got wiped away when RedState went through it's update several months back.

Jeff Fuller
http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/
See my disclaimer of Romney Support at my blogsite line above (essentially I'm an unpaid grassroots supporter/blogger).

And you're not alone. We here in the Cabal can access all of it, which means that it still exists; but for some reason, ordinary users cannot. It's more than slightly frustrating. Sorry about that.

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We are all heroes, you and Boo and I. Hamsters and rangers everywhere, rejoice!

So, wasn't anyone taking notes? Just curious. I'd have thought there would be loads of centrifugal emanations by now...

Jeff

I think the "spin cycle" needs to go a while longer.

But while you are waiting, the Dogs have spoken! They even have their own cat free web site.

http://dogsagainstromney.blogspot.com/

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None of the Above !

Ok I have read through this thread and one thing is for certain there are more Romney supporters than I thought. That is to say there may actually be more than the 25-30 I thought.

Anyway since Romney can't seem to draw more than 9% in any poll he hasn't bought I would like to know are the Romney supporters prepared to support the nominee if it isn't Romney?

Brandon
conservativesuperiority.com

We are really not the enemy here. We happen to be on the same team.

www.mymanmitt.com
www.race42008.com
Member of Romney for President Faith and Values Steering Committee-an unpaid advisory position, that does not require an endorsement.

that a lot of people have made here at this site have decided that's the talking point.

www.mymanmitt.com
www.race42008.com
Member of Romney for President Faith and Values Steering Committee-an unpaid advisory position, that does not require an endorsement.

here 2 days....

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson

I was there and I was one of the 11 Ron Paul supporters. I am not impressed with the intelligence or passion of most YRs based on several days of socializing with them but I am getting a much needed education on how this all works and I realize I did not do nearly enough to help my candidate.

Thanks for shining light on people who pull shady moves.

The problem with the current field is that they are all competing on style. I have not heard one thing of substance beyond "ra ra, we're great, dems' suck," platitudes. The only two concrete Romney proposals are limiting the growth of non-defense federal spending to 1% under inflation and doubling guantanamo. Both are absurd. He might be a great fix-it man but he is not an intellectual or party leader. Maybe he should be appointed to run a commission to find all the redundant and unneccessary federal government jobs and make recommendations for layoffs and waste reduction to President Ron Paul. The DC real estate market should tank as many people leave to find real jobs.

I saw a lot of people who seem unconcerned that the party has no really unifying priciples and there seem to be no big changes proposed by any of the front runners. Nominating one these people is a recipie for losing big and throwing power to the Dems for a long time. The stakes could not be higher.

I think the party is going to get schooled on what grass roots in the Internet age really means. Obama knows it. The only one on the Republican side whose got it is Ron Paul. Why have the appearance of broad, passionate support when you can have the real thing? Go on YouTube. Look at what's happening in the Ron Paul camp. Attend some Ron Paul meetups. Then ask yourself if anyone other than Paul will have the organization fired up to beat a Hillary or Obama. Money does not buy passion. Money does not buy principles. Money cannot burnish your character.

Watch and learn. Ron Paul is showing the party where the future is. I don't think the party will be able to ignore him or dismiss him much longer.

What bills of substance has Rep. Paul put forth in his years in the House?

Run like Reagan!

I am glad you asked. I went to thomas.loc.gov and here is just what he has Sponsored so far THIS YEAR. Some of them have co-sponsors some of them are going nowhere. Almost all of it is substantive and important.

1. H.CON.RES.43 : Expressing the sense of Congress that the President should implement Recommendation 9 of the Iraq Study Group Report.

2. H.RES.63 : Amending the Rules of the House of Representatives to ensure that Members have a reasonable amount of time to read legislation that will be voted upon.

3. H.J.RES.23 : Proposing an amendment the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

4. H.J.RES.46 : Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

5. H.R.190 : To amend title II of the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide prospectively that wages earned, and self-employment income derived, by individuals who are not citizens or nationals of the United States shall not be credited for coverage under the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance program under such title, and to provide the President with authority to enter into agreements with other nations taking into account such limitation on crediting of wages and self-employment income.

6. H.R.191 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the inclusion in gross income of Social Security benefits.

7. H.R.192 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the 1993 increase in taxes on Social Security benefits.

8. H.R.193 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make higher education more affordable by providing a full tax deduction for higher education expenses and interest on student loans.

9. H.R.194 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 with respect to the purchase of prescription drugs by individuals who have attained retirement age, and to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act with respect to the importation of prescription drugs and the sale of such drugs through Internet sites.

10. H.R.195 : To provide greater health care freedom for seniors.

11. H.R.219 : To amend title II of the Social Security Act to ensure the integrity of the Social Security trust funds by requiring the Managing Trustee to invest the annual surplus of such trust funds in marketable interest-bearing obligations of the United States and certificates of deposit in depository institutions insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and to protect such trust funds from the public debt limit.

12. H.R.220 : To amend title II of the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to protect the integrity and confidentiality of Social Security account numbers issued under such title, to prohibit the establishment in the Federal Government of any uniform national identifying number, and to prohibit Federal agencies from imposing standards for identification of individuals on other agencies or persons.

13. H.R.300 : To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

14. H.R.424 : To repeal the Military Selective Service Act.

15. H.R.457 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide credits against income tax for qualified stem cell research, the storage of qualified stem cells, and the donation of umbilical cord blood.

16. H.R.1009 : To amend the Controlled Substances Act to exclude industrial hemp from the definition of marihuana, and for other purposes.

17. H.R.1056 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow individuals a credit against income tax for tuition and related expenses for public and nonpublic elementary and secondary education.

18. H.R.1057 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow a credit against income tax for amounts contributed to charitable organizations which provide elementary or secondary school scholarships and for contributions of, and for, instructional materials and materials for extracurricular activities.

19. H.R.1058 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow the Hope Scholarship Credit to be used for elementary and secondary expenses.

20. H.R.1059 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide a tax credit for elementary and secondary school teachers.

21. H.R.1060 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide a tax credit for professional school personnel in pre-kindergarten, kindergarten, and grades 1 through 12.

22. H.R.1094 : To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

23. H.R.1095 : To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

24. H.R.1096 : To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

25. H.R.1146 : To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

26. H.R.1720 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to exclude from gross income amounts received on the sale of animals which are raised and sold as part of an educational program.

27. H.R.1897 : To protect the second amendment rights of individuals to carry firearms in units of the National Park System, and for other purposes.

28. H.R.1898 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow individuals a credit against income tax for medical expenses for dependents.

29. H.R.1899 : To amend part A of title XVIII of the Social Security Act to clarify that facilities designated as critical access hospitals may use beds certified for such hospitals for assisted living.

30. H.R.2096 : To sunset Federal laws and regulations which treat the American people like children by denying them the opportunity to make their own decision regarding control of their bank accounts and what type of information they wish to receive from their banks, and for other purposes.

31. H.R.2117 : To amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act concerning foods and dietary supplements, to amend the Federal Trade Commission Act concerning the burden of proof in false advertising cases, and for other purposes.

32. H.R.2387 : To prohibit the use of Federal funds for any universal or mandatory mental health screening program.

33. H.R.2415 : To reduce the price of gasoline by allowing for offshore drilling, eliminating Federal obstacles to constructing refineries and providing incentives for investment in refineries, suspending Federal fuel taxes when gasoline prices reach a benchmark amount, and promoting free trade.

34. H.R.2424 : To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act.

35. H.R.2597 : To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

36. H.R.2605 : To establish a sunset for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243).

7. H.R.2754 : To require the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to continue to make available to the public on a weekly basis information on the measure of the M3 monetary aggregate, and its components, and for other purposes.

38. H.R.2755 : To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

39. H.R.2756 : To repeal section 5103 of title 31, United States Code.

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

While these bills certainly aren't going anywhere, you did say before that Paul only makes speeches and had never introduced bills dealing with taxes and the economy. It looks like he has introduced quite a number of them. I still would rather vote for Hunter or Tancredo because of his foreign policy, but he has some good stuff.

Looks to me like his bills are just like his speeches. Empty and hollow. As for "good stuff", sorry but it's only "good" if it's doable. 100% of this stuff is mental masturbation for Ron and his friends.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Could you edit out the fluff ones. "Expressing the sense of the Congress" isn't substance.

Run like Reagan!

Nice by Stee

It is hilarious that that is your only reply. Way to save face.

I'm not the one trying to ram cut and paste stock answers into a genuine discussion.

Run like Reagan!

Huh? by Stee

You asked what bills of substance were put forward. Stalcottsmith then listed 39 of them. Seems to me it is more relevant to cut and paste the exact wording of each bill than to reword all of them and inject personal bias. You asked for fact, and got 39 of them (well, 38 if we take out the one you didn't like). But no matter, point taken. No more actual facts in your 'geniune discussion'.

Sir, as good conservative, I am sure you at least read the titles of all those bills I was able to provide. Surely you would not stop at the first one. Or perhaps you "read" my reply the way congress "reads" bills before voting on them. You may sate your appetite for more on the links here: http://www.house.gov/paul/legis.shtml.

Ron Paul is a gold mine and national treasure. Some of his speeches are worthy of the founding fathers. Google up his speech on patriotism before the house last year. He's polishing the oratory but the substance is brilliant. He is not only apparently the conscience of this party but its brain too. He makes me proud to be American.

Some Republican luminaries are calling for revolutionary zeal, bold ideas and a return to values. It's clear to me that only Ron Paul can summon the fire we need.

I've burned my ruby slippers and Franz has PROMISED he will bite my legs off if I ever do it again.

Mea Culpa.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

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Some of his speeches are worthy of the founding fathers

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He is not only apparently the conscience of this party but its brain too

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Can't....read...any...more....!!!!!!

Hey, one good belly laugh per day is supposed to be good for you. I guess that was pretty funny. Stay tuned.

very convinced that Ron Paul will be the candidate.

I've got $100,000 that I'll put up and give you 3 to 1 odds on RP. I'm tuned.

And actually, although I don't pretend to speak for Jeff, I found your comments to be not "funny" but just completely out of touch with any form of reality. But, then again, that's what we've come to expect from Ronbots.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Passionate support is what we need or we will loose to Hillorama. I know this is not Ron Paul- friendly territory here. Why? You seem to prefer the other pre-selected candidates. That's cool. I believe this is either because you have not taken a close look at Ron Paul and his campaign or you are actually not a conservative, don't care about liberty or constitutional government or maybe you are just not interested in winning.

Anyway, I can win supporters more easily elsewhere and I have to get back to campaigning with the other 100+ (and growing) Ron Paul volunteer army in my area. It's going to be a very interesting campaign. This party is in for a shock.

...you don't mean by AIPAC, I hope.

Run like Reagan!

Fools Gold Mine?...good ole Ron "Pyrite" Paul..sure, what a gem!

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

 
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