The Ron Paul National Convention
Where are Vis Numar and Lyndon LaRouche?
By Mark Kilmer Posted in 2008 | Republican National Convention | Ron Paul — Comments (44) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
In case this matters to anyone, Dr. Ron Paul has rented the Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis for his won, little "mini-convention." This convergence of the Paulites will occur on September 2, the second day of the GOP Convention in St. Paul and perhaps in conjunction with some harmonic convergence of the outer planets in the cusp of the minor star of death. (Someone call Vis Numar. Quickly.)
Paul's plan to stage his own event is bad news for McCain, said G. Terry Madonna, a political scientist at Franklin & Marshall College.
"Conventions are about demonstrating unity and purpose and showcasing the nominee. They are media events made for prime-time TV. Any distraction from the central message of the convention is not helpful," Madonna said.
True enough, Mr. Madonna, but I am afraid that you are living in an immaterial world, and you are an… oh, never mind.
The question is, how much unity does John McCain want to show with the followers of a man who might free the markets nicely but would, if he had his druthers, force America back into its 18th Century shell, surrendering in Iraq and essentially queuing the bad guys (terrorists, rogue actors) to take their best shot. Why, we've never seen the Dems reaching for the hand of Lyndon and the LaRouchies.
No, Ron Paul refuses to endorse his party's nominee and in rhetoric at least, seems ready to go the Bob Barr route and leave the party, and he'd do it if he did not have a reelection to win.
If anyone will be crashing this little party, let me know.
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I wouldn't doubt any similarities between you and a Hostess Twinkie; however, I cannot relate one characteristic of Ron Paul's relationship with the party as parasitic. Perhaps you are mistaken and unfamiliar with the true position of the Republican party. Do a little research before you attempt to discredit something u know so little about. Someone might read your post as call you out on ur outlandish and inaccurate remarks.
...the GOP candidate is what we call "diagnostic," neighbor.
Moe Lane
PS: By the way, the ban is still in place. Don't shill for Ron Paul here until you've been around for six months, or until somebody tells you that you can. This is a site moderator mentioning this, by the way.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
It seats something like 14,000. I'll bet Ron Paul will be lucky to get 1,400 people there.
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"No, Ron Paul refuses to endorse his party's nominee and in rhetoric at least, seems ready to go the Bob Barr route and leave the party, and he'd do it if he did not have a reelection to win."
I have never been a fan of Ron Paul, because I am no libertarian. But so far as I know Ron Paul has never met once or twice with the democrats to talk about switching parties. And no matter how much I disagree with Ron Paul, I find I agree with him at least as much as I do the current candidates running for president from either party.
Eh, I'd vote for McCain before Ron Paul.
His three 'sticking issues' with me are FAR too important.
- Ron Paul seems to believe in a form of "cut and run" even if his reasons for it are different than that of the DNC.
- Ron Paul seems set on leaving Israel to rot in the wind, even if his reasons for it are different than that of the DNC.
- Ron Paul has this odd desire to get rid of the CIA (Which makes me wonder what they have on him), which I find to be horridly insane.
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Dependence is Slavery.
Commodities trader, securities trader, bond trader? I didn't know that this incredibly successful man also had this additional talent.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
He'd switch to the Libertarians, for whom he sought the Presidency in '88.
I've always had a soft spot for Ron Paul, who does have some fiscally conservative notions. And I like that he's anti-abortion, for which the Libertarians should scald him.
Then again, I heard some candidates at the L Convention this year describing that party as a big tent. YIKES!
just as long as you are not one of those nuts who are worried about runaway spending, erosion of freedoms, or a massive flood of illegal immigrants. In that case they got a little tent out in the back for you.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
He's a Paleocon (see also: Bob Barr).
There is some overlap when it comes to the whole "Small Government" thing (enough, perhaps, for it to make sense that Barr run on the ticket)... but on Social Issues, the Libertarian viewpoint tends to the "it's none of anybody's business" while the Paleocon viewpoint tends to the "If the community says it's the community's business, it's the community's business."
I understand if you want to call him a RINO.
But know he's also a LINO.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
I'll give Barr this credit:
He QUICKLY distanced himself from the racists.
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Dependence is Slavery.
I remember thinking "wow, have the Libertarians ever had someone this savvy running?" after he did his thing.
Pity about dang near everything else about him, though.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
I never knew any paleocons, except Buckley if you want to call him that, who were opposed to the war on drugs.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
When they read about Barr's current positions on the WoD.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
How bout calling those of us that believe the community has the right to set standards something other than paleocon's. It has unpleasant undertones and associations. Plus most people that think the community has the right to set standards would not welcome Dr. No and his baggage into their midst.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
"the community has the right to set standards"
The mental images that show up in your brain when you read that sentence are probably totally different from the mental images that show up in mine.
I would hope they are, anyway.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
I have no Idea what is going on in your head on this.
I have seen Libertarians take Issue with building codes, copyright law, Public decency codes and the TSA.( I think you take issue with the TSA)
So yes we would need to define our terms.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Do you agree with this statement:
"There exists at least one sphere of influence where it would be inappropriate (if not downright wrong) for government to legislate upon."
Can you agree with that statement?
Or do you hold that if there is a supermajority voting otherwise, the statement is obviously false and only a libertarian fool would think anything but?
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
We would just be at loggerheads over which ones n/t
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
And the "which ones" question is merely haggling.
I've had terrifying conversations where it was pointed out to me that if a supermajority wanted X, they could just vote it in.
Historically... well, let's just say that it's enough to get a guy to think that democracy is for suckers.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
You just make have to make sure that the lamb is the one with the shotgun.
And now we understand the need for a Second Amendment. Electoral College too, come to think of it.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
While I own guns, I have no wish to use them on my fellows or even to reach the point where I worry I might have to.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
which he'll most likely take from Obama.
RP has most of the appeal of Obama with the added bonus of telling young voters that they have no responsibilities to the country or the world they live in.
It's an easy message to sell.
I just had a large coffee and got excited.
But RP does have one advantage over JM and BO. There will be no 527s attacking him.
Everything I've seen shows most young people's concerns to be the economy and health care. With the exception of the war, there is little else to attract them; so they'll stick with Obama and get both.
See? I see sentences like these and immediately think of stuff like 50% tax rates, universal health care, and blue helmets on US soldiers.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
"Surely a stronger dose would have cured the patient!" is one.
"We only need the right people telling us how to live!" is another.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
""We only need the right people telling us how to live!"
And I see
"We have the right to decide how we will live as a community"
Did I mention my last home owners association was run by fugitive Nazi war criminals ? (they were hoping to be promoted to running a condo association)
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
My problem is when people vote in a homeowners association at a meeting I wasn't invited to and I find a letter on my door telling me that I owe them $X for not having the right kind of shingles.
Or, of course, them telling me that I don't care about my responsibilities to my community (or, indeed, the world) if I have garden gnomes and, as such, they will take care of my garden gnome problem for me (because, surely, if I had any respect for property rights, I wouldn't have garden gnomes in the first place).
I wonder what responsibilities to one's country and, indeed, one's world would entail?
Cap and trade of carbon?
A one-child policy?
Is there any Big Government Program that was not defended with a statement that called upon our responsibilities to our country and, indeed, our world?
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
"I wonder what responsibilities to one's country and, indeed, one's world would entail?"
Bird,
I was thinking less of 'cap&trade' or 'one-child policies' and more about allowing volunteers to continue a mission of security that indeed affects their(and our) country and the world.
You must drink even more caffeine than I do.
My problem is when we start complaining about the young folk being all selfish and not caring about their responsibilities to The Collective "We".
That way madness lies.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
Anyone know who Turn Turn Turn Spit RP RP RP has lined up at his mini me convention?
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NObama...no way!.....McCain '08 !
I am thinking maybe Barr or Baldwin.
Free men should have the freedom of choice at all times.
There are things I admire about Paul--at least he is consistent and dedicated to action on what he believes in. He also raised an astounding amount of money via the Web.
But I really don't think he'll pull votes from McCain. I read a comment that mentions votes from BO. I think niche voters--perhaps some 20 somethings who've never voted at all maybe--and perhaps disaffected Dems (though not the Hillary camp because of the abortion issue) will relate to Paul.
I can't vote for him, but I do respect many things about him.
This man needs booted out FAST. He's the RiNOest RiNO that ever RiNOed the RiNO.
If you've seen my few posts around here, you probably know I am what the Ron Paul people call a "cosmotarian." I, personally, like the sound of it. Makes us sound like the kind of political group that would have James Bond. We really got screwed over this election cycle. Usually, there is a libertarian leaning republican in each presidential primary. This time we ended up getting Ron Paul.
There are some things I agree with Paul. I like a lot of his economic policies. I like that he tends to like that whole part of the Constitution "congress shall make no law..." but there are a host of things I really did not want to see on TV representing libertarianism. Firstly, he does not have a strong image to present to the public. His voice and speaking style is not powerful. Second, his history sends mixed messages. He puts pork and earmarks in the budget and then votes against it. Third, he didn't distance himself from the racists. Fourth, his newsletter.
He was against going into Iraq though, which I agree with even though I disagree about his withdraw policy. I think we owe it to the Iraqi people to rebuild the infrastructure we wiped out going in. I also am not a Social Conservative, so a lot of that stuff is kind of lost on me.
I wonder if you guys think I'm a RiNO.
"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Regan
I think the fact that he'll be able to pull this off should be of concern to the Republican Party. It's one of the best examples of the problems the party faces this election -- the fact that conservatives feel extremely disenfranchised.
Neither major candidate running represents the "reduce spending" mentality. Neither could be called anything similar to a Goldwater conservative.
As much as I am unhappy about an Obama presidency, the comments here about Paul and conservatives that support him (and donated tons of money to him, and voted for him in the primaries) seems to say to me that the Republican party is doomed for the near future until they get their act together.
It's not discussion on policy, it's insisting their insane, calling them "MoRONs" and so on. It's unbecoming and frankly idiotic of a party that is disintegrating and needs to widen the tent and invite people in instead of shutting them out as it has been.
Paul's relationship with the party is best described as parasitic.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa