What Huck should have said

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Romney: "Mike, you agreed that net-net, you raised taxes by half a billion dollars. Is that right?"

Huckabee: Sure, Mitt. I'll answer your question.

During my ten plus years as governor of a swing state, I did "net net" raise taxes in that amount.

For some crazy reason, I thought it might be a good idea to have drivable roads and an educated citizenry. And unlike you, I actually stood for and won reelection on my record.

(looks directly in the camera)

You see, folks, sometimes government has to make short-term investments in infrastructure and education for the long-term benefit of its citizens. And as governor of Arkansas, I had to make some tough choices. I stand by those choices and my record.

(looks back at Romney)

So, Mitt, feel free to keep crunching those numbers and throwing them around entirely out of context. I am much more concerned with actually addressing the needs of every-day Americans.


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He wouldn't admit it. Which means:

1) It's true.
2) Huck's somehow ashamed of it.

Romney freely admitted that he raised fees so that the fee covered the cost of the service. It's hard to argue, even to conservatives, that a fee shouldn't cover the cost of the service.

Most of those fees hadn't been raised for decades. He gave a proper defense of his fee hikes. Huck dodged and weaved and then blamed a referendum, which is inaccurate.
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You mean to say that this guy used some folksy smile and one-liner to avoid a serious question about his record?! And the American people bought it and now think Romney is attacking because he talks about records? What a shocker.

Huckabee in Iowa and it looks like McCain in NH. This party is dysfunctional.

Ok Alexham, that's one response, though I'm at a loss as to why you think it's particularly effective, especially in a REPUBLICAN primary debate.

But assuming Huck said that, Mitt should have responded:

"Governor, it's obvious government needs to be funded and effective, but the important question in the mind of voters is how you go about making government effective.

And when you were put to the test, your instinct was to raise taxes rather than control spending. When faced with a responsibility to fund schools and road building, you chose to raise taxes instead of control spending.

You made the wrong choices, and they reveal your true priorities."

And if it were me up there, I'd tell him he's in the wrong dang primary. His instincts are all big government, anti-competitive nanny-statism, and frankly I'm tired of Redstate commenters shilling for him.

Raising broad-based taxes is never acceptable to a conservative. If Huck would have made the suggested response Mitt would have eaten his lunch. Like what was already stated, you control spending and streamline government.

I can conceive of a situation in which I might support an increase in a broad-based tax. Say for example the government had already pared itself down to the proper level, social security had been abolished, and medicare had been devolved into privately competing insurance agencies, and we discovered we needed more money to build our military to the point where we can effectively wage a war on Islamofascism. Or maybe if we needed the money to fully fund a border patrol and build the appropriate combination of walls and technological monitoring devices to secure our borders. Either way I'd probably support a small increase in a broad-based tax.

Of course, since my precedents are unlikely to be met, functionally you are still correct.

..champion of the people via gov't" twilight zone, where we're hearing Democratic rhetoric from a leading Republican candidate. That's not what I want to hear from the person who's vying to be the head of my party and of my country's government.

...at least, when they aren't in "craven pandering" mode. (Bill Richardson, I'm talking to you.) As being somebody for whom most social issues barely show up on the radar, the creeping strains of populism into the political discourse frighten me more than just about anything. It's part of what has turned my home state of Michigan into a complete economic wasteland, and that sort of a climate is potentially a greater detriment to the social climate than anything that government should be fixing from the societal side of things. Hence why I am not too heartened over the "at least he's good on social issues" part, knowing that our society seems to use poverty as justification for profligacy.

At the very least, having that gross of a misunderstanding of economics would lead me to wonder how naive the person is about how the world works in general, affecting how fit I perceive them as being for the Presidency.

"No matter how much lipstick you put on the taxation pig, it's still a pig... and it's currently snout-down in your wallet." - Michael Fisk

"you chose to raise taxes instead of control spending."

These are the kinds of realizations that are going to bury Huckabee in the upcoming states. He really is in the wrong party. Not that I hope he runs on a 3rd party ticket in the end - the last thing we need is another Perot handing the election to the Dems.

What would happen if "____" were elected?

having driven on ark roads pre and post huck - it felt like you were taking your life into your own hands until after they were fixed.

the question is, did he do it in the most effective way possible with the least government intrusion into the affairs of the people of the state? The clips of him giving prior approval to the legislature to raise any taxes without reference to looking at any unnecessary spending that might have been cut are pretty damning.

Actually, the voters did. That was what that referendum was about... you know the one he just lies about and claims is voter approval of whatever tax hike he is talking about at the moment.

So spending borrowed money makes you some kind of hero now?
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& Hill left behind? And we had to fix it with our own money, because all the extra federal dough is buried in Boston Harbor in the Big Dig."

Does it really matter anymore what Mitt says about anything?

The glib talking flimflam huckster man is also as slippery as an Arkansas catfish. What is with Arkansas, they put something in the water there?

Fees aren't taxes, and fees should cover costs, but often are way over the mark. That puts the excess in play, like around here, for spending on whatever the pols want. I have no idea if Mitt is telling the truth about just covering costs, but have to assume he is lacking any other information.

Fred schooling the Huckster on the law and detainees didn't sit well with the Huckster. As Fred said about AMNESTY, just paying the equivalent of a bribe, does not make the AMNESTY magically disappear.

It's been said by several that Huck is a Republican Bill Clinton. I noticed that one big difference is that Bill Clinton is probably at least twice as smart as Huck.

Then again, considering his comments in "support" of Hillary's campaign, maybe Bill isn't so smart after all.

The "Third Worst Person in the World" and aiming higher.

Since I live in MA, here are some simple facts. MA is an overwhelmingly Democrat state with the legislature of both houses containing sufficient majorities to override any vetoes. MA income taxes were 5.365 when Mitt arrived, and 5.365 when he left. He did raise fees appropriately. The MA legislature arrogantly refused to accept a voter approved referendum to reduce taxes to 5.00% - they just flat out ignored the voters (of course, without penalty). Unfortunately, the Republicans let that happen without at least making a huge stink over it. Having said that, Mitt is wrong when he says he was governor for 4 years. He spent the last two, out of state, campaigning. As far as I'm concerned, that violated his commitment to the voters when he said he was going to govern for 4 years. Recent history in MA is of the last four Republican governors, three (Weld, Celluci, and Romney), either left mid-term or were absent governors. That's not good enough for me.

i don't know, Bourbeau, if MY governor balanced the budget in under 4 years, and left office with a surplus as well as a billion in the rainy day fund, and did NOT raise my taxes.....I'd be pretty darn happy - even if he was in Timbuktoo half the time!!! Obviously Mitt was a good enough Governor to take care of business in MA while he was doing other things out of state. Sounds like a kept promise to me.....

What he should have said was that his state needed more improvements across the board than Massachusetts. He should have gone into detail on why taxes were raised so high, which went to improve the schools. Byron York goes into more detail, but the condensed version is that Huckabee wanted to consolidate the school system, and save the state money. The state did consolidate but not nearly as much as Huckabee wanted, so he refused to sign the bill knowing it would become law. My gut tells me that Huckabee has a lot of populist rhetoric, and he truly wants to help those who need it the most, but the way he wants to go about it is not more government. This is just my gut, but I believe you can have populist rhetoric with conservative solutions. I think Rudy did an excellent job last night of talking about how conservatives need to do a better job of telling the folks that our policies are the ladders out of their situation. I know it’s hard for a lot of people to understand how a politician can go around talking about corporate greed and the low wageworker, and still be a conservative. What I would ask them is if you truly believe conservative policies help the middle class and lower class better than liberal policies; then why not give a voice to their struggles? Why are Mitt and Rudy not talking about it more often?

The problem is that Huckabee is a coward and wouldn't own up to raising taxes, even it was for a good reason. Why couldn't Huckabee just own up to the truth? That's the problem.

"Politics is the business of trying to convince fools to do the right thing."
-Braden Pace

The problem is that the debates don't lend themselves to detailed answers. Context matters, and Romney knows this. You can criticize Huck if you like, but Romney doesn't come off much better IMHO.
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he could have explained why taxes went up in the state. I'm not a Mitt fan, but I'll admit he does a good job when he talks about numbers. too bad he lied about supporting the bush tax cuts, though.

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support the Bush tax cuts.

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if he ever pushed for a tax hike he should just admit it. read what Byron had to say about it.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTYzZjk0Njk5NjJhYTczOTY2ZGQzZGM...

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...Arkansas' constitution requires a balanced budget....so he agreed to raise taxes to accommodate that.

That's not what conservatives want to hear. Conservatives appreciate balanced budgets as much as anybody. But the proper way to balance budgets is by controlling spending. That's the way most people live their lives, isn't it? We've got X amount of dollars coming in and, so as to avoid going into debt, we manage how much we spend and don't buy everything we'd like to buy.

We don't walk into our boss' office with a gun and demand more money so that we can have everything we want.

Another acceptable answer, I think, would be that he "realize the value" of state assets. Those are Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels' words, used to describe his really intriguing efforts to establish public-private partnerships on things like toll roads, the state lottery, and various other things. He's outsourced some functions (such as the administration of the state's welfare program) and saved money doing that, as well.

There are other ways to bring budgets into balance than just raising taxes. One thing that Daniels -- as somebody from the business world (he was Eli Lilly CEO) -- understands, is that higher taxes have a spiraling effect. States are in competition with each other for investment and industry. And there's no better way to scare off both than higher taxes.

Now, to be fair, Daniels did raise the state's income tax -- for a period of one year -- on income over $100K. He did this for a temporary fix to the budget shortfall he inherited. But, since then, he's gone about his budget work not only more creatively, but more in a more economically friendly fashion.

Huckabee's answers to the criticisms about his fiscal record leave a lot to be desired.

"Huckabee: Sure, Mitt. I'll answer your question.

During my ten plus years as governor of a swing state, I did "net net" raise taxes in that amount. "

Didn't he admit to raising them, or did he not? It appears you guys are saying that he didn't admit to it.

What's up?

It's what Huck SHOULD have said, but did not.

Huckabee: Sure, Mitt. I'll answer your question.

My only problem was that I governed a state where the taxes were already low, at least relatively speaking. Compare the Arkansas tax burden to the Massachusetts tax burden after our governorships. If I had been the Governor of Taxachussetts--oops, I mean, Massachusetts, it would have been really easy for me to cut taxes, and drastically. So the question is Mitt, not whether you cut taxes, but why you didn't cut them further, when there was so much further to go?

As I've repeatedly said, one of the things that REALLY turns me off about Huck is this stuff.

Yes, he raised taxes in Arkansas. Certainly some of those taxes are defensible, and have been well defended here by you and several other bloggers.

Yes, C4G correctly pointed out that he raised taxes.

Yes, Huckabee has gone on to REPEATEDLY lie about those tax increases, and we've had this discussion before so I'm not going to waste bandwidth repeating it.

This is precisely the reason - one of them, but it's #1 - that Huck is absolutely unqualified to be POTUS. I have no use for someone who's willing to outright lie about simple stuff that is defensable and is easy to research to find the truth.
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Like he had already lied about that "voter approved" gas tax during that debate. Tax hikes? What are you talking about? I didn't sign any tax hikes! I cut taxes! Taxes were reduced 75% under my watch! And so was spending! The Huckabots would just eat it up.
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a Foreign Policy Lackey.

Everytime the MSM and Gov. Huckabee try to "ignore" the national security issues facing our country, another item comes slapping them in the face. It is the elephant in the room they do not want to discuss. Last was the ramifications of the assassination of B. Bhutto in Pakistan and now the events this weekend.

Yesterday, Iran speedboats 'threatened suicide attack on US' in Strait of Hormuz
http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3147217.ece
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_navy_iran_20

In a little covered September 29th speech, Gov. Huckabee came out in favor of normalizing relations with Iran. He also criticized President Bush for naming Iran as part of the "axis of evil." "We haven't had diplomatic relations with Iran in almost 30 years, my whole adult life," Huckabee said. "A lot of good it's done us. Putting this in human terms, all of us know that when we stop talking to a parent or a sibling or a friend, it's impossible to accomplish anything, impossible to resolve differences and move the relationship forward. The same is true for countries."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/01/huckabee_criticize...

Gov. Huckabee continues to try to run from his Foreign Affairs article and as he did in Saturday's ABC debate. Challenging Romney on whether he had read the whole article. This from the author whose first line of defense in December was to claim "eight or ten" had a hand in writing the article (with him) and feigning ignorance over it's contents. Alas, it was Huckabee's name on the piece:
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2007/12/21/condoleezza-rice-slams-mike-hu...

Huckabee tries in vain to claim that executive experience as governor trumps the need for foreign policy experience. Rudy even called him on it by contrasting Ronald Reagan's extensive foreign policy credentials before he became president as an example showing how Huckabee paled in comparison.

Gov. Huckabee's final arguement is his belief in his own judgement on critical matters. Between his multiple and continual gaffes on international affairs and national security and his proven rather poor "judgement" in relying on a "foreign policy team" to help him author such a contested article as his Foreign Affairs sophamoric piece, he only demonstrates that he is not ready for primetime.

This is a post-9/11 world. With respect to the demanding domestic issues facing our country, to discount our nation's defense and national security when choosing a president, only leads to failures adn attacks on our homeland. That is a large part of Clinton's legacy.

New Hampshire may not recognize it. Iowans did not. One can be sure that South Carolina (with the highest military and veterans residence per capita) will get it, despite the MSM and Hucksters trying to "ignore" the elephant in the room.

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