McCain For President

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John McCain is the Republican nominee for President of the United States.

To be fully and completely clear, he is our candidate. We endorse him. We will fight for him.

During the primary election, many in the RedState community had preferred candidates. We all championed our candidate of choice. Those who supported John McCain should be thrilled their man won.

Senator McCain has a long voting record in the Senate, including many occasions on which he has stood with conservatives. His campaign now promises, consistent with the best parts of his record, to keep the faith on core issues: victory at war, preservation of the Bush tax cuts, appointment of conservative judges in the Roberts/Alito mold, and an end to the era of Roe v. Wade. We will take him at his word, and hold him to it.

We will speak up when we disagree with John McCain on issues. But at the end of the day, RedState supports John McCain for President of the United States. For the next nine months we intend to vigorously fight for his election and to defeat the Democrats.

Some of you will, for matters of personal conscience, feel you cannot meaningfully support John McCain. Some of you may even refuse to vote for him, as others have.

While we understand this decision for many of you, we strongly disagree with this rationale. As hard as it may be to accept at this moment, we would remind you that voting is not an act that is about you - or how it makes you feel. It is about doing what is best for the future of America. And as the next president will almost certainly determine whether both the war and the Supreme Court are won or lost, we urge you not to cast aside your right to determine these results, and therefore what kind of nation we leave to our children.

Yet even if you do still choose to sit out this Presidential cycle, there are plenty of other races and plenty of other candidates who need your support and vote. We urge you to throw your full energy behind these candidates.

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But I am 50% there. Lots I don't like about McCain, but he could easily get my full support with a solid conservative VP pick.

My first pick would be Joeseph Lieberman. Imagine him bashing his former Democrat friends as being too liberal. McCain could then move to the right on issues under the cover of his "bipartisan" ticket. People tend to love conservative ideas except when they come from someone who is conservative.

If McCain chose Lieberman, he would only move further left. If he chose Condi Rice, not only could he be encouraged to move further right, but he'll be balancing out the Dems. That could challenge them in Nov.

She is admittedly pro-choice.

Not exactly what we are looking for to inspire conservatives.

Plus she REALLY REALLY doesn't want the job.

I'm not sure if I could ever vote for Juan McCain. Besides, I'm still working on Mike Huckabee who wants to eliminate the IRS for the Fair Tax, and also eliminate "anchor" babies by implementing legislation whereby you cannot become an American by virtue of birth. That is HUGE! He also said he would rid us of illegals within the first four months of his presidency.

Try not to be such a tool on your way back to Kos k?

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

But he was tied up at the time...

"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.

Although I'm surprised that he gave you the straight line.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

He's "our" jerk.



Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

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I'll gladly give him full credit as long as we win :-)

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Go J-Mac.

"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.

... behind Rudy, Mitt and Fred. I might rank McCain even lower if I knew more about some of the also-rans - e.g. I don't know if Governor Thompson would have been better.

But you're right, "our jerk" is still far better than their best.

Romney is coming around. His supporters will too. It's only a matter of time and Huckabee will bow out.
We have an uphill battle for sure, but we can do it.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

"As hard as it may be to accept at this moment, we would remind you that voting is not an act that is about you - or how it makes you feel. It is about doing what is best for the future of America. And as the next president will almost certainly determine whether both the war and the Supreme Court are won or lost, we urge you not to cast aside your right to determine these results, and therefore what kind of nation we leave to our children."

Very well put. I'm on board for John McCain. A good VP pick could help Republicans control the White House several years into the future. Let's not throw that away.

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This is going to be the most painful vote I have ever made but I get it.

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We are. And very proud of our fellow Republicans for seeing the great candidate we have in John McCain. I still haven't voted (it's just around the bend in May). No strategic voting from me. I'll get to vote for someone I feel strongly about for the first time since March 2000.

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He's the Republican candidate and in some respects he's better than the Democrats. An endorsement it was, but it was one of the most cautious endorsements you'll ever read. I highly doubt you'll convince most of us that he's a "great candidate". Almost all of us will probably, with nose held and Pepto Bismol handy, pull the lever for him. If you get that, be happy.

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i have always been a strong conservative and so far til now always voted republican. there is no way i could vote for someone that i am not sure what he might do. i can't vote on a man just because he has been in war, mind you i respect him for his service, but that doesn't qualify him as a good candidate for president. that's like saying a pro football player makes a good coach, and as we all know that isn't true. he is also cocky like we owe the primary to him because we didn't elect him in 2000. of course, this in just my opinion, but i can already vouch that many fellow republicans in georgia feel the same. the sad part about mccain being our candidate is there will be many republicans jumping ship or much worse, not voting at all.

You'll be a lot more frustrated when we leave Iraq disgraced and we go back to 1970's economic policies because you feel disappointed and can't see any reason to vote.

Saying "I respect him for his service, but..." sounds a lot like those liberals who always say "sure, Saddam was a bad guy, but...."

McCain's service and experience and record on national security qualify him more to be president than just about anyone else.

Oh, and I live in Georgia, too. You have a lot of military folks in Georgia who are not evangelicals. Noone is telling them to for Huckabee because he's a preacher. They'll come out of the woodwork in November. trust me.

"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

You'll be a lot more frustrated when we leave Iraq disgraced and we go back to 1970's economic policies because you feel disappointed and can't see any reason to vote.

Nixon signed the peace deal in Vietnam, remember? You also remember the wage and price controls foisted on the nation by Nixon that helped deepen the economic malaise brought on by the Guns and Butter policy of the Johnson Administration?

Oh, you are probably slamming Carter who inherited the mess and then bumbled around, not sure what to do until Reagan kicked him back to Plains.

Being Republican doesn't somehow mean we won't get one disaster after another out of McCain.

He'll run left now to pick up independents. He'll govern left, if he wins. And this site and others will be chock full of people making excuses for him.

"Oh, he'd like to nominate a conservative to the bench, but the nasty Dems won't let him! He had to nominate a liberal who will uphold Roe v. Wade, that is all the nasty Dems would approve! It's not our guy's fault!"

McCain is going to hand us one bad, nanny-state policy after another and get us nowhere on any of our signature issues.

The only difference will be that because of his 'R' next to his name most Republicans will be figuring out excuses for why it's happening.

No president winning in '08 will leave Iraq, anymore than Nixon got out of Vietnam in '72, even though he campaigned on ending the war.

A president being re-elected in 2012 will probably finally call the war off, just as Nixon signed a peace deal he knew would never be honored - after he won re-election. Obama, Hillary, McCain - doesn't matter. No one is going to go to the American people in 2012 for re-election and be accused of having 'lost' Iraq.

So forget this talk of 'withdrawl.' No American troops are leaving Iraq, Dem president or not. McCain will keep them, so will the other side. What we get with our boy is going to be four years of getting Harriet Miers rammed down our throat daily, with a heaping dose of Amnesty and Political Correctness thrown in for good measure.

Oh, and then those of us who are ticked off about the whole mess will get banned from RedState, accused of being liberals, accused of working for the other side, or just plain called names because we know a blasted RINO when we see one.

I'm overjoyed at the prospect.

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When the Democratic candidates are tripping over themselves saying they will pull out of Iraq first, I think we should take them at their word.

And they can certainly return us to a losing strategy in the war, pull our troops back into their strongholds and begin a withdrawal. Bush would be the one to take the blame. By and large the rest of the country still thinks Iraq is a quagmire we cannot possibly win.

Lastly, the manner in which we leave is important. If there is a phased withdrawal, the Iraqis are going to turn to Iran to provide the security we stop providing. And isn't that a lovely thought?

McCain is the candidate that is running who can actually win this war.

I expect to vote for the Senator, but that could change if he chooses a liberal VP or starts mincing words on judicial nominations. As for my time and money, though, I'd prefer to use them to help candidates whom I actually want in office (Bob Schaffer, Marilyn Musgrave, Tim Walberg, etc.) rather than the lesser of two evils.

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choice. If Hillary or Obama gets in, you will need a case. Every day.

:>)

Jose is an evil, disgusting, mean spirited man. I recommend Patron-mush smoother, or I'm hoping at the very least you are talking the upgraded Cuervo. There's also 1800 which is a fantastic tequila, in which the anejo is delicous. There is also the 3 brothers, which is actually in Spanish and something that only my girlfriend can pronounce:-), but delicious as well. But for love of God, put down Jose and walk away...slowly.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus

Jose is the tequila equivalent of Greed Label Jack.

Kills weeds, keeps the mosquitos away, and just murders brain cells.

And it's called for on this occasion. Because, after all, Fred-headedness still lives. And this is a difficult one to swallow for conservatives and conservatism. Russell Kirk and Ronald Reagan are somewhere (in one of the seedier neighborhoods of Heaven) punching each other in the mouth and shouting "how did it EVER come to this?"

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies
-- Frank J

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies
-- Frank J

There are people here that love and care about you, and we want you to know that. Admit that you have a problem, and putt he bottle down, and pick up a better one. :-) My God, the thought of Jose makes my stomach quiver with fear that I haven't felt since freshman year of college.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

Good God man.

Even the Mexicans don't drink that swill. They ship it all up here along with that bilge water Corona beer.

BR is my kind of tequila drinker.
1800 is mother's milk if you like tequila.

Cheers!

I know that was hard, really hard.
Been there myself.

but as you and I have discussed...regardless EVERY other issue at stake in the next 4 years-ONLY McCain is gonna take care of your husband, his fellow Airmen...and the Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines...and their families...that fight for us-I'll pull R for that if for no other reason..

though there are COUNTLESS more to go John v. going that luv bundle Obama.

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:gritted teeth: I endorse John McCain for President of the United States of America.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Now, go wash your hands... you'll feel better.

That's how I feel about it... it's a dirty job, but one that needs to be done.

McCain has a lot to accomplish in the next seven months, and he's going to need us as much as we need him to make this marriage work. In life people are brought together for all kinds of different reasons and pragmatically, and as a matter of wanting life to be more enjoyable than not, you adapt and learn to work within those parameters.

John McCain is our man and I'm going to be behind him 110%. I'm on the team as of today here in Massachusetts -- and I'm going into full afterburner.

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..haven't seen it on the site yet, so I figured I'd point it out.

He'll also encourage his delegates to go McCain, and if enough of them listen and McCain gets to the delegate total, Huck will finally drop his annoying act.

"Fred's my conservative guru, but McCain's my President."

The GOP chose not to want conservatives, they chose to give us a looser as a candidate that will stab every conservative in the back in his attempts to pacify the left. American citizenship will be for sale for $3000.........I will not close the ranks, McCain is an enemy of the conservatives. I for one will not rally behind this disgrace of a candidate. America is doomed, the hate mongers and weak kneed have won......into the wilderness we must enter, never a great country will we exit.......

ardan...

The Cake is a Lie

What if McCain chooses a solid conservative for the #2 slot and in doing so sets him up as the front-runner in either 2012 or 2016?

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I can't see that it matters who McCain chooses as VP...his record shows he doesn't seem to "play well with others" and I just don't trust him....

The Cake is a Lie

Jindal needs to stay where he is and put in at least one term as governor.

Haley Barbour?

Johnny Mac needs a governor...

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

and see how well that works out for you.

Pretending that McCain is conservative does not make it so.....At least with a democrat in the office the republicans that are left in the senate will fight to stop their left wing bills...If McCain is in office the republicans will be voting for these bills...

No, the voters choose McCain over all the other losers. If you want to blindly stand behind your supposed principles and keep harping on "conspiracy theories" involving "the establishment" then I suggest you go find a Ron Paul blog where you belong.

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There, feel better, now go put you tin foil underwear back on and go play with the other losers k?

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

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English Please

...but I'd appreciate it if, in your time here, you refrain from commenting on other people's mastery of the English language.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

"Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. I'm a whale biologist."

I think you just coined the longest word on RedState. Congratulations! I like it.

which is more, in and of itself, than you are likely to get from the Dems.

God, country, unity, party, anti-Obama-Hillary and all that. I get it and will be the first to "soldier up".

However, one suggestion: tell Rick Davis to sit down, stop stroking his own genius and desist from using words like "pander". It's irritating and potentially destructive.

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Yes, I'm so excited I could almost wet my pants.

I'll close ranks. I will vote McCain. I will not endorse.

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies
-- Frank J

"voting is not an act that is about you - or how it makes you feel. It is about doing what is best for the future of America."

Anyone who calls himself a "conservative" and doesn't understand why a President McCain would be better for the country than a President Obama or a (second) President Clinton needs to do some serious re-thinking. Go ask the liberals who voted for Nader (or sat out the 2000 race) if they still think that they did the right thing. That's the position conservatives who sit this election out will be in after eight years of a Obama/Clinton administration.

McCain would be slightly better than Hilliary as President for the short term, the country will continue to move to left (only a little slower)
But what happens in 2012, the GOP will run another liberal and we will be in even worse shape. Remember the frog in the pot story....

The Cake is a Lie

The only way we lose again to him would be to put another loser like McCain up as our nominee.

He want against the Republican majority, but now as president, the majority will be the demis so being a maverick against them would be just fine and dandy.

back throught the congress it will be all out war....President Bush didn't get to that signing and neither will President McCain.....this is one issue I will never agree with McCain on...we see through the primaries where "immigrants" party loyality has been and it would be a true Republican death if 12-20 million illegals are given citizenship. I don't mind if the party were to die from idea's but to kill it with 12-20 million new Democrat voters is unthinkable.

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This is probably the toughest election year for Republican's that I've ever seen, we have to be all in to win this one. Let's roll.

That being said, I fully expect the "Independents and Moderates" who will have gotten McCain the nomination to do all the heavy lifting. I'm just along for the ride this time. I may even cheer from time to time, but don't expect me to pay for the gas.

Though literally speaking I suppose I WILL be paying for the gas since when I go on lit drops for the local party I won't be pulling McCain's flyer out of the bag.

Doggone it!!!

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I said several years ago that I would never vote for McCain. But, times change and I will do so now and hope he wins - not with any particular enthusiasm for him, but he is the lesser of three evils. Hopefully, he will win and do better than I expect. I will be thrilled to eat crow.

no doubt is McCain. I certainly hope he comes closer on the illegal aliens issues & does not go for amnesty in any way during his presidency. Definitely will get my vote, & I really have the desire to support him. I won't gloss over my differences on policy & issues with him - haven't done that with any other - however, I do understand the difference between McCain & the others. Of course, I do hope that the attacks from the democrats & kos kids on the left help push Mccain to the right (away from the wrong on issues where I think he's wrong).

"His campaign now promises, consistent with the best parts of his record, to keep the faith on core issues: victory at war, preservation of the Bush tax cuts, appointment of conservative judges in the Roberts/Alito mold, and an end to the era of Roe v. Wade. We will take him at his word, and hold him to it."

I can see and understand the secular conservatives supporting McCain. They are not all that supportive of tax cuts, overturning Roe v Wade, or winning wars. They like nation building, complicating the tax code even more, and turning up their noses at conservatives who, in their ignorance and desire to emulate such horrible Americans as Washington, Madison, etc., dare to not hide their faith. (I've heard these dastardly people even allow their faith to inform their political opinions! Yuck!)

Seriously, the assertions quoted above are like reading some Orwellian description of the race, or a visit to the Twilight Zone. The party where I parked my conservatism has gone daft.

Victory at war - closing down Gitmo and refusing to let our guys use interrogation techniques that work. That is victory? Keep in mind this guy was 5th from the bottom at Annapolis.

Preservation of the Bush tax cuts - you mean the ones he opposed because, McCain said, it made the rich get richer? McCain has never professed belief or showed understanding that lowering taxes increases revenue and increases wealth for everyone who works. Like many other Rockefeller Republicans, he joins the Democrats in killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Appointment of conservative judges - Like the Alito he said was too conservative? Granted, McCain voted for Bork, but consider Bork was not as much conservative as libertarian. For example, Bork sees the 2nd amendment as not being a personal right. But McCain, the gang leader of the Gang of 14 who obstructed getting consent for judges (among other pro-Democrat obstructions) doesn't have a good track record when it comes to supporting conservative judges.

End to the era of Roe v Wade - Aug 19, 1999 "I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even-the long-term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." - John McCain

We will take him at his word, and hold him to it - Yeah, how? Once McCain has the nomination sewed up, he will shift back to slightly left of center, you secular conservatives will go "Oops!" like you did with Bush 43, and we'll have a problem where Republicans in Congress will find it much harder to oppose a RINO President than if we had a Democrat president doing the same things. You think Redstate will have any clout? Certainly not with traditional, consistent conservatives.

As for me, maybe - just maybe - if McCain selects Huckabee or another consistent conservative for VP, I'll vote for the ticket since he will have a sane, conservative adult to keep him reasonably on track until he decides 4 years is enough. I'm betting that the McCain that can't keep from shooting himself in the foot with some stupid outburst (as in 2000) will screw up sooner or later before the convention and we'll finally get a conservative candidate.

Redstate may aim to win, but winning without honor or principle is no victory. That is what Democrats do.

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Just click that back button and write us off.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

"I can see and understand the secular conservatives supporting McCain. They are not all that supportive of tax cuts, overturning Roe v Wade, or winning wars. "

Do you mean "secular conservative" as "moderate conservative"/"Conservative-lite"?

Or do you mean "not a social conservative"..ex: secular in the religious vs. nonreligious sense?

Either way, you're off the mark. If it's option one, I can see some moderates finding only one or two out of those three tripods important...but those *are* the three tripods of conservatism and the Republican party. In fact, most of them are oh-very-much so in favor of tax cuts. What are you talking about?

And, I don't count myself as a social conservative (and no one would mistake me for one), but I care about tax cuts, overturning Roe v. Wade, and winning wars. In fact, those are my absolute top three issues.

Now, I get you can take my comments and say that McCain hits none of the three tripods and that he's not conservative, but I'm not going to take you on. I'm tired of fighting that fight, considering it's been fought all over the site. You've been a member for 2 weeks. Just browse. Start by reading Adam C's McCain on the Issues series. K?

Oh, and finally: if McCain selects Huckabee or another consistent conservative for VP.

Huck's a consistant social conservative. You can absolutely not call him a consistent conservative down the line.

"Fred's my conservative guru, but McCain's my President."

they just have cracks in them. All this debating is over the structural integrity of each leg, and whether we can help shore them up.

Huckabee has one big post, with a couple of spindles for show.

"Fred's my conservative guru, but McCain's my President."

but we can avoid blatant falsehoods.

"Huck's a consistant social conservative. You can absolutely not call him a consistent conservative down the line."

Sure I can. The only non-cosnervative criticisms on Huckabee were the falsehoods the Romney campaign threw out. They didn't stand up well against the facts.

Of course, we see now where the "conservative" Romney landed - with liberal McCain. Gee, why am I not surprised?

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I supposed to make us trust the Huckafraud to win a War? You have to be kidding me-the only policy positions Slick Willy knows are the PDF files his advisors who he has never met give him when he wakes up in the morning. Of course, the Club for Growth criticism is completely illigetimaet, as is the complaint by the Arkansas GO that Huckabee destroyed theri party. And lets' not foget how he went from state funded scholarships for children of illegal immigration (something that I'm in favor of) to let's throw the bums lout of the country in a matter of a week, around when everyone started hitting him on his immigration position. But go ahead and believe it's all the work of the eeeeeeeevil Mormon who thinks Jesus and the Devil are brothers, after all. No one ever has a legitimate criticism of Pastor Huckabee, God's chosen candidate. I'm glad he's goign to be buried out of politics for good. Oh by the way, us secular conservatives-my number one issue is the War-hence McCain and Guiliani. Followed by taxes, hence spending hawk McCain and tax cutter Rudy instead of your man, Tax Hike Mike. But enjoy your next four years crying in the corner because Jesus did not come down from the mountain to endorse Huckabee and give him his "miracle" victory.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.


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I'm only going to use the dancing Kool Aid man, since you insist on putting the Big Oh Yeah guy in right while I'm finding the code :-)

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

The Club For Growth and the Cato Institute, independent and respected organizations not affiliated with the Romney camp gave Huckabee terrible reviews for his fiscal management of Arkansas. Please explain to me why this is Romney's fault. Also, the reason Romney supporters will support McCain is because we don't want the most liberal senator in the Senate, who is to the left of NARAL and Ted Kenneday, and who would bomb our allies and drink tea with our enemies, to take over the country. Opposing Obama is not liberal; McCain may not be ideal, but it is what it is.

True.
And in return, Huckabee then blasted the Club for Growth, calling them "the Club for Greed."

That line could have been said by John Edwards.

It's not what a true economic conservative would say at all.

McCain 08 = Ford 76

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"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Without even pausing to consider it.

But really, you shouldn't be quite so obtuse. The obvious point is that in 76 Reagan (the conservative) lost to the moderate/left-leaning Ford, then Ford, a man of inestimable honor proceeded to lose the election.

We may be stuck with McCain, but at the moment I believe he is destined to loose. Quite honestly, against the Obama train headed our way, I don't know that any of our prospects could have won. If you start from that point, the decisions are different, because now you are concerned with how to preserve the critical parts of the party so it can re-emerge after the storm passes. I don't see McCain being that person.

But don't worry, there was never a chance McCain was going to carry the People's Republic of Maryland, so it really won't matter how I vote. I voted for Steele in the last election and he lost anyway too.

Had he not flubbed a debate he might have pulled it out. If you add Perot's votes to Doel (and I know thats a bit of gaming the system), the difference between Dole and Clinton would have been less than 200,000 votes.

Look Hillobama could be Adlai Stevenson, William Jennings Bryan or Al Smith. McCain could be McKinley, Truman or Eisenhower. You just don't know how these things turn out. Its early. NC

Had he not flubbed a debate he might have pulled it out. If you add Perot's votes to Doel (and I know thats a bit of gaming the system), the difference between Dole and Clinton would have been less than 200,000 votes.

Look Hillobama could be Adlai Stevenson, William Jennings Bryan or Al Smith. McCain could be McKinley, Truman or Eisenhower. You just don't know how these things turn out. Its early. NC

I'm in by bs

I don't necessarily like it, but the alternative is too horrible to fathom.


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Victory at war - closing down Gitmo and refusing to let our guys use interrogation techniques that work. That is victory? Keep in mind this guy was 5th from the bottom at Annapolis.

Intresting that you view the war in Iraq and the greater war through the prism of torture/Gitmo. How about a sterling military record including nparalleled heroism as a POW? How about 20 years of service in Congress supporting the military? How about staunch support for the wars in Afghanisan and Iraq? How about early and esssential support for the surge etrategy that is now winning the war in Iraq? How about a son in the Marines in Iraq and another at the naval Academy?

How about, in short, a lifelong commitment to duty, honor, country in peace and war?

Wait -- you say he doesn't favor torture and wants to close Gitmo? (While supporting the military tribunals for these scum who will then hopefully be excuted).

Oh well then -- never mind. He's a hopeless pacifist.

/sarcasm ON/

"Fred's my conservative guru, but McCain's my President."

...but I sincerely hope McCain will help us out by choosing a solid conservative as VP. Yes, it's a "bumper sticker", but it would be viewed by many, including myself, as an outstretched hand to conservatives by McCain...a statement that conservative ideas WILL be part of the McCain Administration.

Okay, maybe I'm wishing too much...but it would be a start anyway.

If we get solid conservatism in a VP, I'll support McCain. If not, I'll *vote* for McCain...after consuming at least one adult beverage...

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and preferably not Pawlenty. Most of what I have read about him describes him as a junior McCain if it is true. While not horrible, if I'm not thrilled about McCain, adding someone a lot like him won't do much for my enthusiasm.

To those who want 100% or 0%, just remember this. To stay home is to vote for Obama. It's possible Obama could have a 60 seat Senate and another 75 seat gain in the House. If you want socialized medicine, price controls, and the most liberal justices in recorded history, stay home.

If you would prefer the GOP win over the Democrats, but stay home because the GOP are insufficiently conservative to 'earn' your vote, you're actually contributing half a vote to the Dems.

Unless you are 100% convinced that a McCain Presidency will be equivalent to or worse than a Hillary/Obama Presidency, it's in your best interest to get out and vote McCain in November. If you don't like the idea of voting for McCain, at least come out and vote against the Donkeys.

And therein lies the problem. Eight years of Hillary (more likely four) or four years of Obama (guaranteed, he'll muck stuff up worse than Carter) and we get another chance. McCain moves the party kooky (McCain-Feingold enhances free speech; Amnesty secures the borders, and poking conservatives in the eye at all opportunities are kooky positions). That will last more than 8 years assuming he wins. If the Republican party is the political hope of the country, and the Republican party is undercut by McCain's election, what does that do to the country?

I don't know. I think we can get weather Hillary or Obama because they are outside the party. But like Bush's extravagant spending, McCain will be impossible to stop because it is from inside the party. We lost the House and Senate because of that spending. McCain could consign us to another 40+ years in the wilderness. The GWoT will continue even after McCain retires from office (assuming he wins). Can we put a Republican in office after him? Or do we lose the war then?

Yeah, I know. With Romney endorsing McCain and urging his delegates to vote for McCain, the race is over. McCain will be the Republican nominee. And I won't hold it against those who hold their noses and vote for McCain. But I will hold it against those who try to convince me McCain is a conservative AND good for the Republican party when I know he is not.

I was for Romney, but now I am for McCain. Why? Because I believe that either Hillary or Obama would seriously damage this country if they were to get into office, and I love my country.

We are a nation at war, and I think McCain would go for the throat. We do not need a president that sets out afternoon tea to the likes of Al Qaida. We need a warrior, and for all of McCain's inclinations and faults, he is indeed a warrior.

I still do not agree with him on a great many things, but if he chose a conservative VP, be it Romney or whoever, I will be that much more enthusiastic to pull that lever for him.

And I do not buy the idea that Obama can win easily, because when the smoke clears, and these two face eachother in debate after debate, Obama is going to be seen as the naive, inexperienced, dreaming socialist he is.

And if it's Hillary? She'll lose many votes to McCain, because she is just not likable.
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Since 1998, only four Republican senators have had worse ACU scores than John McCain : Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter.

You've already lost.

You're talking about hardly any difference. It doesn't say anything about McCain as Commander in Chief. Executive and Legislative branches offer different powers and responsibilities.

"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

Without having to keep the people of Arizona happy, McCain will be free to move even farther left.

If by some miracle mccain would win the presidency, I think the directors will find that their endorsement of mccain, if not sweet in the mouth, will be downright sour in the stomach.

Not that I'm a Huckabee fan, but you're missing what Huckabee has been saying for a while: he's waiting on a miracle. Now, you may call him, and me, crazy, but if you give me one minute, I'll explain.

Huckabee (H for short), is a christian. He prays to our almighty god, you know, the creator of the universe and, grantor of MIRACLES! If you've paid attention in church or read the bible, God does answer prayers and I can assure you that H is praying his little shoes off right now.

We also know that God does things in his time, and typically puts us through the fire first to make sure we are steady and true before rewarding us.

So, I'm glad you "aim to win" and have someone you have deemed "electable", but I've learned that you can't discount God and as long as H is still in this, you never know. McCain IS old. One thing I've learned from having parents over 70 is thier health can change dramatically, and overnight. One minute they're there and the next, they either can't speak or are gone. Now that can happen to anyone at any age, but face it, John has had a pretty tough go in life and I and many others don't see him making it all the way through.

So, if you think about it, there's a long time to go before the election. Everyone has ceded their delegates to Mr. McCain. Imagine what will happen if God does answer Huckabee's prayers and McCain doesn't make it. Then we'll see who's left holding delegates at the convention.

By the way, I'm not voting McCain. This party got railroaded into promoting a liberal because he was deemed "electable." So much for principles and the polls which indicate people tend to vote conservative in elections.

I'm ready for my roasting.

Democrats: Aborting infant democracies since 1961!

You basically suggest that the man you want to be your President is praying for God to KILL OFF another human being for him, so that he can get what he wants...

...and all you expect is a roasting??

Posting rules, common decency and a solid upbringing prevent me from telling you what I think of your comment.

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Democrats: Aborting infant democracies since 1961!

Imagine what will happen if God does answer Huckabee's prayers and McCain doesn't make it. Then we'll see who's left holding delegates at the convention.

Those, sir, are YOUR words.

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"praying for God to KILL OFF"

Democrats: Aborting infant democracies since 1961!

You say Huckabee is praying for a miracle, that "McCain doesn't make it". How else does he not make it?

Oh, I see...you didn't mean he would DIE, right? I'm so sorry I misunderstood. Praying for death is bad, but praying for serious health issues is okay?

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You know...his own "macaca" momment.



Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

but I still don't see how praying to God for someone's downfall is a good thing.

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"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

"Sir my concern is not whether God is on our side. My great concern is to be on God's side" . A. Lincoln

NC

that may be his concern.

If you don't support a candidate who would change the law, then you support the status quo.

And I respect those of you who are joining the fight despite reservations. I felt that way about Bush in 2000.

Either way, I'm glad Gore and Kerry were never elected. The country would have two or three more liberal justices and we would probably be weeping at the feet of the UN asking them to do something about the mean terrorists who keep killing our citizens on their way to work.

It is important to throw one's hat in the ring. If y'all have McCain's back now, the McCain folks will have your backs later.

And for those who think McCain is the devil, read The Nightengale's Song. It will make you see him in a different light. And he didn't even write it.

"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

How can you be so sure that he will appoint conservative judges? You don't think he won't do what he has always done on major issues; jump to the other side? Good luck.

Democrats: Aborting infant democracies since 1961!

Hey, guess what. Just because a person has a different take on immigration and the environment (which it pains me to think about, too.) doesn't mean that he's a loony bird liberal.

We must have this debate as conservatives AFTER we elect McCain rather than Obama or Billary.

It is like two people arguing over who should get into the life raft first while the life raft floats away. Madness.

"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

McCain wins the Republican nomination. Noseplug sales at the convention reach an all time high. Al Qaeda is delighted the 5th slowest Annapolis graduate in his class is the Commander-in-Chief.

Obama wins the Democrat nomination. There is much rejoicing until the Democrats realize this guy is clueless and only 5 IQ points above my pet lab.

McCain loses track of what year it is, and like he did in 2000, he considers joining the Democrats. McCain calls Obama and asks him to be the VP. Obama, realizing he might actually be President agrees quickly before he has to be responsible for grownup decisions other than "I have hope in the change that will bring hope."

In an historic move, we have only one ticket - McCain/Obama.

Congress passes an emergency bill authorizing all federal elections to have a "None of the above" choice.

Only too late does Congress realize that with no President or VP elected ("None of the Above" won all electoral college votes), Nancy Pelosi becomes President.

The US is faced with a constitutional crisis - all 50 states want to secede "in order to form a more perfect union". Pelosi thinks they said "onion", so she goes to Outback for a bloomin' onion.

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Christian. Husband. Father. Grandfather. Conservative. US Navy Veteran - all by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison

... than I am of Hillary or Obama.

Also, the more conservatives come out and support him here, the more likely he is to give us what we want. If it is seen that "moderates" put him over the top, that will give him more excuses to pander to their interests.

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According to Democrats, it’s greedy to want to keep your own money, but it’s “justice” to demand someone else’s.

--Jonah Goldberg

Kate

“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

McCain/Romney - That is a ticket I would actively campaign for. McCain/Huckabee - I stay home
McCain/ - Yeah, I'll vote against the Dems.

"...he is our candidate. We endorse him. We will fight for him."

Ok!! How are we going to do that? I'm serious. What is the plan?

We are preaching to the choir on this site. We need to reach out to those who have no idea what a blog is or how to turn on a computer! Plus, we need to encourage McCain to reach to the right. It is easier for one man to reach to the right than for MILLIONS of Americans to move to the left. I am willing to fight back the Democrats and socialism, but John McCain must fight too.

"we need to encourage McCain to reach to the right"

I would like to encourage my pet lab to use a knife and fork, but it also goes against character.

Folks, if you want to support McCain, fine. It's still a free country.

But McCain was, is, and always will be a chameleon slightly left of center. That is how he has and will govern. Just be ready for it.

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Christian. Husband. Father. Grandfather. Conservative. US Navy Veteran - all by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

left of center he is not

Ann Coulter (no fan of my candidate) hit this nail right on the head, and says it better than I can:

"In 2006 -- the most recent year for which ratings are available -- McCain's ACU rating was 65. That year, the ACU rating for the other senator from Arizona, Jon Kyl, was 97. Even Chuck Hagel's ACU rating was 75, and Lindsey Graham's was 83.

Since 1998, only four Republican senators have had worse ACU scores than John McCain -- and none were from Goldwater country: Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter."

So the lifetime rating of 82.3 is just so much propaganda without substance.

McCain is most definitely slightly left of center.

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Christian. Husband. Father. Grandfather. Conservative. US Navy Veteran - all by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

I would have assumed that having a score less than 50% would indicate "left-of-center".

Did the pi being exactly 3 legislation pass and I misremember?

If your Coke is only 50% poison and 50% Coke, is it still a Coke that refreshes?

Think logarithmic.

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Christian. Husband. Father. Grandfather. Conservative. US Navy Veteran - all by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

Wow, center's pretty far to the right on that scale. No wonder the vast majority of Americans are leaning to the left, the scales are tipped against them.

... if he were below 50, that would be left of center. Plus, his rating has been in the 80s a few times in the past six years -- I'll look for the data but Coulter seems wrong on this point. I'd say DeWine, Stevens maybe Martinez and a handful of other GOP senators were to the left of McCain in the past decade.

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According to Democrats, it’s greedy to want to keep your own money, but it’s “justice” to demand someone else’s.

--Jonah Goldberg

I believe if McCain remains to be a chameleon that is left of center, he will not have a chance to be President.

What are everyone's thoughts of taking our support outside this blog?

I am completely stoked about this election. No, McCain doesn't have all the conservative boxes checked off. But on the most important issues we're in full agreement: Fighting the war on terror to win, not to surrender as quickly as possible; making the Bush tax cuts permanent; appointment of strict constructionist judges like Roberts and Alito (that line about Alito being too conservative, btw, was a lie planted by a Romney supporter - see Byron York on NRO); and he's pro-life.

As Reagan said, my 80% friend is not my 20% enemy. We have to remember that while most here don't like his stands on cap and trade, campaign finance etc., these are issues that help him appeal to moderates and independents. As referenced above, he's right on the important, core issues - if we need to sacrifice a couple of second-order issues, then fine. The thought of Billary or the sweet-talking neophyte Hussein Obama in the White House is too scary of a thought to contemplate.

We need to win to avoid the specter of defeat in the war on terror. And the judges, the judges - do you really want 30-year-younger versions of Ginsberg and Stevens on the SC? More shuddering.

McCain's my guy. LET'S GO MAC!

the fighting those two did.
He wasn't my guy, but he went up a notch or two in my book today.

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies
-- Frank J

As I stated before McCain's choice of VP will be the deciding factor if I will vote for him. Frankly he does not deserve anymore consideration than that. If he picks a Huck, or some squish, I'm going with the Democrat.

I will never, ever, again allow myself to be frightened into supporting a bad candidate because of the "big bad boogie man" on the other side, so don't even try it. I will not be ruled by fear. Furthermore, if conservatism cannot sell, even in the Republican party, then what good is that party?

Whether I support him or not, I want everyone to know he has barely a ghost of a chance to win. You cannot keep the other party out of power forever. We had our chance, when we had both houses and a Republican administration that was our chance to really change things, but (and partly because of John McCain) things did not change, instead spending and government growth got worse.

So it might be a while before we get another shot at it. and When that happens I want all the Republicans to understand the consequences of not living up to your promises.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

if your alternative to a bad Conservative is a good liberal, I'm kinda scratching my head about just what it is you WANT...to be on a winning team or to be right?

and I mean that with all the non-confrontational nice-ness I can muster.

Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus

If Johnny Mac picks Huckabee, I'm voting Obama and giving him as much of my money as regualtions allow. Having said that, every day Huckabee stays in, he kills his chances of VP. So I'm not too worried in the end.

"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

I understand why some folks may not want Huckabee. Some folks simply do not want a Christian conservative as President. That is their right to choose that.

But, if one simply researches the facts, the end result is that Huckabee is a consistent, though not perfect, conservative.

He is not a tax and spend, weak on amnesty, ignorant on foreign affairs, scandal ridden candidate. The accusations are certainly there, but they have no substance. Facts are stubborn things.

By the standards Huckabee is held to, Reagan would also be rejected as not conservative. Huckabee is no Reagan, but they both share long standing and well studied tradtional conservative beliefs. I can't find evidence of that for McCain or Romney.

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I think most of these folks here voted for him.

My problem with Huckabee is he has no appeal outside of the fellowship hall.

Jordan has the WMD... or was that Syria or Jordan or ... err...
bunker mentality...did you hear the one about the...

"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

I understand why some folks may not want Huckabee. Some folks simply do not want a Christian conservative as President. That is their right to choose that.

There is some legitimacy to that even here on Redstate, true - and I can think of several posters who fit that description, but it isn't a major factor and is quite insulting to those of us who are Christians and conservatives, and who still don't support Huck. Frankly, I don't think that he is much worse than McCain, but he has no chance to win and McCain does. Its rotten to have to continually vote the lesser of two evils, but thats just the way it is 99% of the time.

Looks like a lot of folks were okay with that. Twice, in fact.
Next?

shame on me.

I have had enough of candidates (like Bush 43, and perhaps soon to be McCain) who plays conservative during the campaign and governs to the left.

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Christian. Husband. Father. Grandfather. Conservative. US Navy Veteran - all by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

Bush campaigned as a "compassionate conservative" was touting a prescription drug benefit for medicare and spending much more on education (and everything else). He even campaigned on a guest worker program too. The only thing he campaigned on a differed in his governing was nation building (and at least he has 9/11 as a catalyst for that change).

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And yet despite Bush 43's repeated advocacy of "Compassionate [Big Government] Conservatism," no major conservatives refused to support him on that basis, in either 2000 or 2004.

In fact, I can't think of a single case in my lifetime where even the most conservative Republicans just walked out and refused to support a moderate nominee: Eisenhower (1952, 1956); Nixon (1960, 1968, 1972); Ford (1976); Bush 41 (1988). Each time, conservatives made their concerns known. But in the end, they closed ranks and supported the GOP nominee.

So what is different this time around? I believe that most of the bitter opposition to McCain is coming from conservative nativists who fantasize about expelling all 12 million illegal aliens from the country. McCain is enough of a "Straight Talker" to know that such a thing is absurd and it's never going to happen. But soothing the nativists and telling them that yes, Virginia, you're going to deport the illegal aliens to the North Pole to live with Santa Claus seems to be a prerequisite to get the favor of the GOP's right wing these days.

It's not like they haven't been lied to on this issue before.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

have come to the conclusion that 7 times was enough since the moderates have never sucked it up and voted for the conservatives.

Just a thought.

shame on you. And yet, here you are touting Mike Huckabee -- who would be Clinton lite at best.

you are right. If not, then not so much.

Huckabee is as politically conservative as Bill Clinton. He may have a more attractive character but to frame him as a "conservative" while saying McCain is not is simply nonsense.

By the way, you've used up your quota of nastiness on this subject. If you don't like the site go away. Continue posting like thie and I'll send you away.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

And I've posted this more than once. Now I'll just copy and paste:

The Club For Growth and the Cato Institute, independent and respected organizations not affiliated with the Romney camp gave Huckabee terrible reviews for his fiscal management of Arkansas. Please explain to me why this is Romney's fault.
Also, the current President is a Christian conservative.

At this point, I'm convinced this is just an act. You talk about researching facts. How about stating them. I've told you why Huckabee is not a fiscal conservative. Tell me why he is. Has he vetoed pork-barrel spending and talking a stance against spending (see Sanford)? Show me something.

No, it's rational. The Club For Growth and the Cato Institute, independent and respected organizations not affiliated with the Romney camp gave Huckabee terrible reviews for his fiscal management of Arkansas.

Both of those groups dislike anyone who questions any facet of so-called "free trade." Their appraisals of Huckabee's fiscal record are slanted and unfair. You'd never know to read their analyses that under Huckabee the state's economy grew at a good rate, that the overall tax burden remained nearly unchanged, that Huckabee shifted a big chunk of the tax load from income taxes to consumption taxes, and that the state experienced a large increase in population.

You might read my blog entry "Rally Around Huckabee? Why Not?":

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/mike_griffith/2008/feb/07/rally_around_huc...

I discuss some of the many positive points in Huckabee's record.

Mike Griffith
Let Freedom Ring website
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id47.htm

I've told you why Huckabee is not a fiscal conservative. Tell me why he is.

I would again invite you to read my review of Huckabee's record, including his fiscal record, at:

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/mike_griffith/2008/feb/07/rally_around_huc...

I've revised and expanded this blog entry to include more information on Huckabee's fiscal record.

Mike Griffith
Let Freedom Ring website
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id47.htm

and then you'll be sorry!" is

"I'll vote democrat"

I think voting democrat in this election will call conservative credentials into question more than anything McCain has done or will do.

"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

I will support the GOP nominee.

My endorsement of McCain last November has nothing to do with my coming to that opinion of this post. As I've said, he's the least imperfect of a slate of imperfect candidates. He may not be the ideal conservative, but he's conservative enough and he has the best chance of beating what looks to be Mr. Yes We Can.

1. McCain, 2. Thompson, 3. Giuliani, 4. Romney

rick554
Its time to defeat these 2 twits as hard and as decisively as we can. I join REDSTATE and will support John McCain for President. As someone who wouldn't walk on the same side of the street as Ted Kennedy OR John Kerry, I've had my differences with John McCain. I will support and work for the election of John McCain as President and I hope we sweep these democrats from Sea to shining FRIGGIN Sea. Enough is enough. My Grandsons and Grand-daughter, and this Country are too important to be trusted in the hands of Hillary! or Obamasiah.
Rise up America and vote like its the most important election in our times. Because it is!
God bless our TROOPS and our United States of America!!

Senator McCain has one son at the Naval Academy and one in the Marine Corps that has already served a tour in Iraq. Talk about a family that is dedictated to the United States. I still am not fired up about Senator McCain as the GOP canidate; however, if he finds a Conservative VP canidate I will go ahead and vote for him in November.

Broomy

I'm steadfastly opposed to McCain, due to his glee at criticizing Conservatives (more than what I disagree with him on). BUT if the race is winnable (if McCain is tied or ahead), then I will definitely vote for him. But if he lingers in anemic Dole territory (consistently behind by middle to high digits), then I'll just vote for the down-ballot races.

We'll just have to see what happens. Everything depends on the realistic viability of McCain actually winning.

But for now, it's a vote for Hillary on Tuesday in the Wisconsin Primary.

And that post says more than almost any long-winded rant I can conceive of putting together. A true blue redstater voting for Hillary rather than supporting the Republican nominee! Can you imagine ANY Republican voting for Carter in a primary because it will help Reagan win the election?!?

Me neither.

I think he would be much easier to beat than Clinton. Clinton is actually looking more conservative than anyone left.

Democrats: Aborting infant democracies since 1961!

At his victory party the other night, he looked like a solid leader. But next to Romney, he looked like a tired old man. Reminded me of Dole. Hopefully he will campaign better than Dole. Remember Dole? Dole's best commericial was run on the Super Bowl AFTER the election. I think it was a Frito Lay commerical. McCain needs to make sure he gets a good ad campaign. Image will be everything to McCain.

Sure John, you can have my #&@$%#* vote.

FDT's Principles

I will be watching McCain's campaign closely during the next several months. If he convinces me that he will govern as a conservative and not as an Arnold Schwarzenegger independent, I will likely vote for him in November.

Tory Conservative

It all comes down to his VP pick. I don't think he could do anything that would cause me to actually vote for a Democrat, but his VP choice could most certainly cause me to stay home. As much as I support Romney previously I doubt he will be on McCain's Ticket. I also agree with BlackRepub, Huckabee is not likely to be the VP and that is due to stupidity on his part. Had Huckabee pulled out and supported McCain he would would be a solid VP choice, subsequently making him the "next in line" for 2012/2016.

I will hope for a McCain/Romney Ticket, but I admit the likelihood of that happening is only slightly better than Huckabee's "Miracle."

And I plan to work for the man too. I understand from reading this post among others that many of you will be pained to merely vote for them, but for those that will be casting the ballot with open nostrils, I encourage you all to put in a couple days as well.

We will beat Clinton if we work as hard as they do. Obama is a much tougher fight, but just remember: July 26, 1988: Dukakis 55 Bush 38

No one of good character leaves behind a wasted life - John McCain

Why are so many willing to place winning over principles?

My principles are set against the Democratic platform. I am not voting for McCain, I am voting against the evil that is the DNC. Have you looked at Obama's voting record? My principles won't allow me to vote for someone like that.

Your principles are solely about opposition then and not about being a true conservative. When you choose the lesser of two evils you still loose.

What I stand for just happens to be the opposite of what the democratic nominees want to do. I don't just stand for the opposite of what they are. Understand? If my choice is complete evil or somewhat evil you expect my 'principles' to direct me to support complete evil? Wow, I think you need a couple more weeks to reconsider you positions. I am a conservative before I am a Republican and as such I will choose the person who best represents my values and is least likely to completely jack up the nation.

NB - I have said that my decision to vote also hinges on who McCain choose for a nominee.

I know there are going to be some self centered types who cast the vote that does the most for their self-esteem, rather than what's best for their country. I accept that's just the way it is.

What I really find nauseating though, is when the narcissists try to portray their self-indulgence as some kind of act of principle. Then again, such self righteousness is fairly typical of narcissists - think of Bill Clinton.

and no one else does. Get off your hobby horse. If someone has a principled reason to vote or not vote for someone it could be a little more than ego at work here. It could also be that some people take a longer view than the political expediency of the moment.

Oh, and one last thing. All this talk about how our country is doomed if a Democrat gets in office is very similar to the kind of thinking you get from the far left. We need to stop that crap. Democrats are wrong on most issues, but they will not destroy the country. Their success is not due to some evil conspiracy it is due to our own mistakes.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

McCain will destroy the country because he is not a pure conservative.

Vs.

Obama and Hillary can't possible destroy the country because they aren't all that bad and we should be nice to our political opponents.

I think that Obama or Hillary will lead to a loss in Iraq.

I think Obama or Hillary will increase taxes.

I think Obama or Hillary will increase entitlement spending.

I think under Obama or Hillary we will practice appeasement with our enemies and betray our allies.

I think that all these things will damage the country, and I think all these things because Obama and Hillary have said that they would do these things.

So yes, this is about the future of our country. We are still digging ourselves out from the messes Carter made. You are right that we shouldn't 'chimpy mcHItler' them, but we should dang well stop singing their praises or pretending the country will be fine if they get elected.

... then I completely respect your choice to vote for the Democratic candidate, even if I strongly disagree with your judgment. What I find nauseating isn't someone just casting a feel-good vote because he doesn't think the Republican is pure enough, but when they go beyond that with narcissistic claims that their self-indulgence should be respected as some act of principle.

'twas the point of my initial post. Calling people out on 'principle' because they will be voting for someone who more closely resembles their beliefs is just ludicrous. It makes me wonder if such a person has even taken a good look at who is running on the other side of the aisle. No candidate in this race, or any for that matter, was/is perfect for me. [sarcasm]I guess I should just stop voting or pick randomly from now on?[/sarcasm/]

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Lets start the machine up boys and girls... Lets win in November.

makes me shudder. We could not survive his Presidency, more incentive to work hard. Sadly, if Bloomberg gets in it will be for the purose of hurting McCain.

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“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

If you are apoplectic about an Obama presidency then that is bad for you because it's more than likely going to happen, and guess what? no we will survive it. After all we survived Carter.

Now Obama is at least as far left as any other candidate we have ever had, but he does seem to be a practical person. Carter had a pathological belief in his own correctness, a complete inflexibility, and the attitude of a puritanical scold. Obama has none of those things and so I believe his actions would be somewhat moderated by reality.

The thing you must understand is when you only listen to your own side you begin to get the false impression that your side is always right and the other side is not only wrong, but evil. The left have fallen into this trap, we need to not fall into the same trap.

The truth is that a large part of our electorate do not like us right now, and do not trust us. And they are right not to trust republicans, our party, under Bush, and the old Rinos, has screwed up by the numbers.

In fact, if it were not for their personal peccadillos you could make the case that the Clinton presidency was actually more conservative than the Bush years.

So, what I am trying to say is , do not despair, and do not paint our political opponents with too broad a brush. Outside of obviously corrupt people like the Clintons, Murtha, Reid, and Kennedy (and we have some corrupt in our own house). They are mostly good Americans who will work with us if they are given an incentive to do so.

Even if we do believe they are wrong.

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Kyle

but I would probably violate campaign finance laws.

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.
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McCain versus Obama is a good thing for the nation. Democrats don't hate the Republican, they just disagree with him on most things. Republicans don't seem to hate Obama either.

'bout time we had a campaign like that. Let's fight about the issues.

The only piece missing is getting the conservatives to maybe dislike McCain a little less -- but that will happen, too, I suspect...

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We would also like to know your advice for somebody like my daughter, who's going to graduate in two years, advice that you would give a young person.

SEC. RUMSFELD: Advice for a young person. Study history.

We will take him at his word, and hold him to it.

That's one thing that even McCain Disdainers should keep in mind. He's not just spouting a bunch of hooey he thinks you want to hear - he's not really capable of doing that. If he says he's going to do something, it's probably because he intends to actually do it. Otherwise, he'd say so.

I voted early in the Florida primary. Find out who and why.

Just as long as there is also not water up the nose.

Sorry. Given the stance of our hosts, I promise that's the last time I'll do that.

In an earlier post I asked why McCain has not been loudly blasting the House Dems for delaying action on the FISA renewal. Come to find out that the Dems offered Bush a 3-week extension to give the House time to reconcile their version with the Senate's version. Oddly, Bush declined, and now he's seeking to blame the Dems if the current FISA extension expires in a couple days. That's a bit of demagoguery. So maybe this is why McCain hasn't blasted the House Dems.

It looks like Bush has created controversy where they didn't need to be any. Why didn't he just take the 3-week extension and wait to see what the House did on FISA?

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Lot of good that did 'em heh?



Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

From this point forward it's about preserving the tax cuts, attacking spending (earmarks and entitlement), judges, winning the GWOT and most importantly, who will be the next Commander in Chief over our brave men and women in harm's way.

The only real choices left are McCain, Clinton and Obama. Efforts focused on not getting the obvious choice across the finish line are distraction at best and counterproductive at worst.

My vote isn't about me, it's about my country. Count me in.

"Honor is self-esteem made visible in action." - Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974

I want what's best for America so I'll vote for McCain

now that McCain voted against the Senate inntelligence bill banned waterboarding torture, but had, as everyone knows STRONGLY condemned such practices.

Unoriginally, one might say, 'he was against torture, before he he was for it.'

So, if "to keep the faith on core issues" means to have no character on one's own core principles, and "if you aim to win" then, let it be by hypocritical means, too.

and I surely will not vote for one of the Dem's.

I have always said I would work for my R-Senator and congressman as well as state and local Conservative Actioned electees, but I will not help McCain destroy what we worked years to attain.

This is deeper than Amnesty for Illegals, Feingold,Liberman... His Pro-stance on Stem Cells, for me, is the same as Pro-choice, it is killing life. I do not have the problem of trying to determine WHEN life begins, hence my position that harvesting stem cells equals killing life. By the way, I have a College Degree in Science, so I can support my position but know it will rarely change the mind of someone who disagrees.

Until McCain decides ALL life should not be killed, he is not someone I will support--Writing a name in in November--

There is no sitting this one out

Either you help the country win the war or you help us lose it.

by letting McCain win states with 33% of votes (not Republican votes mind you). You vote as you wish but it is not ME letting the Dem's win this year.

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Assuming that if you back-stab your candidate this time, you automatically get to beat Ob/Hill in 2012 is a fantasy. Both of the Dems look like smarter politicians than Carter and it's not clear that they will have as much trouble heading their way.

As I've said before, the British Conservative party got into a row with itself in the mid 90s and it's taken 12 years to look like a party that's going to get elected again. The general electorate anywhere don't often like to vote for a party that's more concerned with fighting internal battles.

If you get more concerned with whether the GOP is conservative enough rather than who gets to run the country, you could be out of power for 12 or 16 not 4 years.

and amen.

1930-1980. Not really much more to say.

McCain is the right candidate at the right time. The Dems know it.

Our country can survive 4 years of any bad candidate, be it McCain or Obama or Hillary.

We've had worse ones and survived. We'll do it again. We'll adapt.

Those who support McCain on here are, IMHO, making a poor choice and deceiving themselves. But that is my opinion, not written on stone tablets brought down from the mountain. Time will tell.

It is also possible a lib like McCain will grow in office and act more conservative when faced with the real trials of office and enough conservative voices demanding conservative solutions. It did work with the Dubai ports deal and the amnesty legislation. In the end, there is a Providential power greater than all of us who gave us our country, our freedom, and the basis for our American culture.

Those of us who want a real conservative, those who support McCain, Romney, Paul, or whomever, are still Americans and hopefully that bond is greater than what candidate we support.

As for me, unless something changes between now and November, I'll go in the voting booth, and vote on everything else except the President. Then I can start looking for my "Don't blame me - I voted for None of the Above" bumper sticker. :)

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But don't tell us it is some sort of idealistic position.
It is not.
It is spolied stomping of feet, to be plain.

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We all have to deal with whining narcissists on a regular basis, and get used to it. OK, I can shrug that off. The part that makes you want to puke, is when they try to portray their self-indulgence as some kind of moral act of principle.

From the post you were replying to:
Then I can start looking for my "Don't blame me - I voted for None of the Above" bumper sticker. :)

Yeah, that's what it's all about for those guys: being able to claim moral superiority, the high moral principle of not giving a **** about whether their soldiers get stuck with Obama or Clinton as Commander in Chief.

and the Great Society.

I think it's naive to say these things don't really matter.

"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper

...ready and willing to give control over the economy to the Federal government. They had become convinced that free markets basically don't work.

The Great Society was sold as the right thing to do at a time when Americans believed they could do anything they set their minds to. (Never mind that by 1965, the sharp inflationary spike the bedeviled the rest of the decade was already in evidence.)

What kind of economic evil are Americans ready and willing to subject themselves to this year?

Universal healthcare insurance.

In 1964, Barry Goldwater, a conservative, was nominated to be the Republican nominee for President. He, and the entire conservative wing of the party, were despised by the Rockefeller Republicans that had been running the party.

As a result, those Rockefeller Republicans did nothing to support Goldwater (in fact, many of them helped LBJ), and he lost in a landslide. That gave us LBJ and the Great Society, and the inability to fight a war to win (thanks McNamara).

In 1968, the Rockefeller Republicans reasserted themselves, and gave us the liberal Richard Nixon, along with the EPA, wage/price controls, and a significant growth in non-defense government and the welfare state. From there, we get the liberal Ford (WIN buttons anyone?).

It was not until conservatives stood together and got a true conservative candidate (Reagan) that things began to turn around for the better.

So when you think it awful that conservatives choose to vote for everything on the ballot except the President, it is part of a long Republican tradition started by the same wing of the Republican party that now wants McCain/Romney.

In time, whether conservatives vote for McCain or not, we will get the leadership we need.

I would not be so foolish as to discount the admonition that "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land."

Perhaps getting the leadership we want, rather than the leadership we deserve, starts with how we run our own lives. And, perhaps, part of that living means making principled choices even when our choice appears to have no way to win.

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The only reason we *got* Goldwater in '64 was that in '60, Goldwater conceded graciously, endorsed Nixon, and *worked* to try to get the man elected.

No sensible party will hand the keys four years later to a faction that stormed out in a fit.

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"No sensible party will hand the keys four years later to a faction that stormed out in a fit."

You mean like they did in 68 after the Rockefeller Republicans "stormed out in a snit" and actively campaigned against Goldwater?

Yet the Republican party is handing the keys to McCain 8 years after he seriously considered running as Kerry's VP, and spent the last 8 years opposing the Republican party.

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The playing field isn't level. Conservatives have to suck it up or they get nothing. Ever.

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There is no evidence at all that McCain seriously considered running with JFKerry.

An article in the Hill quoting Tom Daschle?
An interview of John Kerry by Jonanthan Singer where Kerry said it happened?
McCain saying he would entertain the idea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkcVXIhssCI&feature=related)

John Weaver of McCain's camp approached the Democrats about it. It is not believable that McCain didn't know and agree with it.

Of course Mccain denies it after his chance to be on the ticket with Kerry passed. But to say "no evidence"? I think not.

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Daschle and Kerry are credible?
I think they lied about that like Kerry lied about his Vietnam record.
What better way to set out land mines than to do exactly what they did?

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Personally, the future of our foreign policy is my most important issue and McCain is the only one left to trust with it. Still, I keep feeling reminded of Bob Dole in 1996. I know many variables are different now but that's the result I feel coming. I hope it's just a feeling; I'll do what I can do.

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