Arizona Republican Activist Vows to Take Out Kyl, McCain
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Arizona Senators Jon Kyl and John McCain might not want to mess with Michelle Dallacroce of Mothers Against Illegal Aliens. She was on Neil Cavuto's "Your World" on Fox News this afternoon to talk about the immigration bill and proceeded to cut up her Republican Party card. She then promised to campaign against Kyl and McCain, two key architects of the bill with Sen. Teddy Kennedy (D.-Mass.) and the White House. Dallacroce was particularly peeved with Kyl, whom she called a "liar" and "flip-flopper." Pressure from constituents like Dallacroce could be why Kyl might be looking to distance himself from the bill.
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I guess the Republican party was not far enough to the right for her. I think the Nazi party would appreciate this hard anti-foreigner attitude.
I want under at 10:00 PM EST.
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That would best explain why they have so much time on their hands yet no appreciation for how their wealth was earned.
You're also apparently not bright enough to understand that there was a reason why your last account got yanked.
Ta.
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By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -- Just off the Senate floor, a dozen Democratic and Republican senators huddle twice a day to decide whether proposed changes to a bipartisan immigration compromise are acceptable tweaks or fatal blows to their fragile agreement.The team grows or shrinks according to what the issues are. At its core are the unlikely partners who cut the deal, led by liberal Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and conservative Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. Assistance comes from GOP centrist Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Mel Martinez of Florida and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.
What is the process for getting a recall for Kyl, who has done a 180 on this subject in the few months since getting reelected?
Are you that big a fan of Janet Napolitano?
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
God forbid!!
I saw an interview with Randy Pullen and he looked stunned. He was holding a list of 100 Republicans that said they were becoming Independents; his comment was something along the lines of this is only part of what had been received.
I like Kyl and looking at his record he appears to be a good man. That makes his intial stand on this somewhat more confusing. Perhaps a political deal? Who knows, but that appears to now be in the past.
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I knew the Republican party was headed for disaster. It is being led by a bunch of buffoons. That includes George W Bush, who for six years pushed his my way or the highway attitude on a Republican controlled House and Senate to the point that they could not get squat accomplished. He is no conservative and is singlehandedly destroying the GOP. Then there is the chairman of the RNC who foolishly thinks that the immigration bill being rammed down our throats could actually help the GOP. Then there are all the spineless Republicans in the House and Senate who let DemocRATs get away with absolute murder. And, let's not forget all of the corrupt politicians like Randy "Duke" Cunningham, Mark Foley, Ken Calvert, and the list goes on and on.
What in the "H" happened to the Republican Party and who is going to come along to rescue it?
You go girl!
Oops, was that sexist. Actually, I don't care. You go girl!
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
by a Republican. The only way they retire is if a HUGE percentage of the electorate sits out an election and a Dem wins. The chance of that is about as high as Moe banning Erick.
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Well, depending on how many nights of sleep Moe's new baby disrupts... maybe we'll see it yet, heh.
Run like Reagan!
It's good to display outrage, even at Republicans who aren't easily replaced. It scares the more vulnerable Republicans, like Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.
A Republican really paints a target on themself if they end up voting for this legislation. I can guarantee you nearly every Senator that supports this legislation will have a tough primary to get through, bigger names will be attracted to the opportunity for higher office.
If McCain does run again for the Senate, he will have a bruising primary to go through, I think more top-tier Republican candidates will go after his seat.
"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich. "
William F. Buckley, Jr.
candidate will run against McCain. At best it would be Shadegg or Flake and McCain would pound either of them. Kyl's not up for six years and this will be long forgotten by then.
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battle to keep them in thier own primary.
I stopped voting for john long ago. If we are lucky he will quit running in a snit when he looses the ellection again.
I have much respect for jon he and congressman flake really helped out my family while part of it was in country. Hopefully he will step back from the brink stop being a senator, and start being a conservative again.
I consider Shadegg to be a top-tier candidate, and he has made it known that really wants to be a Senator. I think Shadegg could really give McCain a fight in the primary.
I don't think Kyl will run for re-election, I know some people who work for his office and they don't think he will seek another term. Kyl would be nearly impossible to knock off anyway in the primary, but the conservative base, even in AZ, despises McCain.
"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich. "
William F. Buckley, Jr.
First is to make McCain's Presidential hopes completely unattainable.
Second is to find a replacement for Lindsay Graham in the primary.
South Carolina is a safe state to make the statement that amnesty ends political careers.
Kyl is not up for 6 years, so persuasion not force is needed.
Jon Kyl has a lifetime ACU rating of 97, he's one of the only 3 Republicans to vote against all three egregious pork bills of the last two years, and he's overall easily one of the five most reliable conservative votes in the Senate. So this woman who I've never heard of decides that he needs to be run out of the party, and this is apparently news for the front page of a conservative blog.
I love immigration bill time.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
Because I may have been insufficiently clear in the above comment. Anybody who thinks that Jon freaking Kyl deserves a primary challenge can get stuffed, and my only disappointment about the treatment of her "Republican card" is that she didn't also burn it afterwards.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
Would you assign to a stand that could well end conservatism ?
As the bill currently stands there are sections that aren't just anti conservatism but anti sanity.
I don't agree with but can understand amnesty for the border crossing. But tossing in a freaking tax amnesty ? Citizens are guilty with the IRS till they prove themselves innocent.
The democrats are looking at trying to turn the country into Peons and Padrons. While they become the PRI.
If we go, whats left ? Australia ? ( I hear its not easy to immigrate there btw)
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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Look, if people haven't figured out what we said for the last six years; namely, that "elections have consequences," then I can't help them. Kyl is sticking his nose in there because he knows darn good and well that on this bill, Bush isn't going to veto a darn thing, and if the Democrats are left to their own devices, they will cobble together a truly horrific bill - by that I mean, all the bad parts of this one (plus a few extra) and none of the good parts - and hold together party discipline and ramrod the thing through. Kyl deserves a lot of credit for being the conservative at the table who put a lot of provisions in this bill which are gonna certainly scare off some dems, and made the Democrats take Republican concerns seriously, from the outset. Instead he has nobodies like this woman actually talking about campaigning against him.
Snowe, Collins, Specter, and several others are still in the Senate - not, mind you, that I think primarying any of them is a particularly great idea in the current electoral climate, but when people start going after Jon Kyl, who is a freaking rock star of a Senator for the conservative movement, it really ticks me off.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
If you feel that its inevitable I can see how that puts a different light on Kyll's actions.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I think that some of hte provisions he got inserted into the bill is gonna scare some Democrats off. Without it, Kennedy would have written a bill solo that would have just worried about keeping the Democrats on board, and I imagine that (1) he could do it, and (2) it would be a lot worse. As it is, there are enough people upset on *both sides* that the bill may be doomed.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
Thats my hope here. I have been seeing enough outrage from both sides.
The left leaning talk radio people have come out so much against this they sound like an echo of O'Reilly. I assume they know their audience.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Even if the bill passes, as is, unamended, I'm really not interested in the opinion of anyone who thinks Jon Kyl needs to be run out of the Republican party. Honestly, I'm not. You don't see me going bonkers after John Sununu, KBH, Lisa Murkowski, or either of the Maine sisters, and I don't think it's too much to ask for people to not totally lose perspective on this.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
whom we otherwise have faith in, will be politically rehabilitating themselves for a long time after this episode.
But I wish you'd be back in the Red Sox rotation sooner rather than later.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
for using my name.
Seriously, I'll still be doing what I do when his arm isn't major-league anymore, and I own the domain name :)
We trusted and respected Jon Kly. I still respect him but he has baddly miscalculated.
Thats the risk in being a 'rock star' when you stray it leaves a mark. kinda like catching your spouse with your best friend things may work out but its gonna be very rocky for a time.
Its this knife in the back coughing up blood feeling that almost has me wishing for a dem win in 2008. I know that the front runners in the gop are gonna knife me and i would rather hate the dems than feel the steel slipping thru my ribs by the hand of a 'friend'.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
Kennedy did write a bill last year. It was clear that the same bill was not going to pass this year.
The only way that a bill passes is with Kyl's support. Unfortunately he is supporting, to use Boehner's words, a POS.
I reread the above and realized I had reduced myself to speaking in powerpoint again.
None of our conservative stances are going to matter if the movement is incapable of winning anything but local elections. The inclusion of 12 million to potentially 40 million voters that will 70 + percent vote democratic will insure the scenario. You have to believe that the new immigrants will overcome their economic situation and shrug off the indoctrination of our educational system to think that this isn't the likely outcome.
Our senators and reps need pressure applied to their spines to stand against this bill. Theres not much pressure we can apply . With the likes of McCain and Kyll its the threat of primarying them.
I would ask what else is there to do ? We have tried to communicate our concerns to them.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...I think he made a genuine effort to infuse this bill with as many conservative provisions as possible, and I think he was willing to accept the bad parts out of a belief that its the best the GOP can get, and out of a fear that the Democrats might ram through something even worse.
The problem is that the two aspects that were included to appeal to conservatives -- a true temporary worker program made up of genuine guests, and an end to chain migration -- will probably never come to pass. I suspect that many conservative-on-immigration types, or restrictionists, might be willing to accept a 'path to citizenship' for the illegals IF chain migration were truly ended, and IF we didn't end up with a 'temporary guest worker' program that is not in reality a disguised method of massively increasing permanent legal immigration.
But there is always a catch with these two parts of the bill. The end to chain migration is not to come until after an eight year period to clear the current backlong, and even then Ted Kennedy says that about 70% of legal immigration will still be based on family reunification. The 'temporary' workers are still able to bring family under certain circumstances, thus increasing the chances of them putting down permanent roots. Basically, the conservative parts of the 'comprehensive' reform are anything but a sure thing.
...I certainly don't think Kyl is blameless here. For one thing, he seems determined to make it so that the 'Guest Worker' Program contains an annual escalator that allows the number to grow to monstrous levels. For another, his (and other conservative's) association with the bill gives cover not only to the likes of McCain and Graham, but also to Democrats who can claim that this liberal bill is the result of a compromise with 'conservative' Republicans. If public opinion truly turns against this bill, then Kyl's participation will make it harder to hang it around the Democrats neck.
I really hope he is not supporting this bill to give John McCain cover in the presidential campaign. That would be a terrible way to despoil his conservative credentials.
Senators Chambliss and Isakson of Georgia, Graham of South Carolina, Specter of Pennsylvania and John McCain all met behind closed doors to work secretly with the DEMS on this issue.
With the exception's of Senator's Kyl, Chambliss and Isakson I wasn't surprised...but these three Senators should have known better.
Well, the bill hasn't passed yet..here's hoping.
I am fully cognizant that most here are "Party Animals" and really enjoy the 2 party sporting event, regardless of the lack of character and integrity of the players on your side. I voted for John Kyle, primarily because of his staunch opposition to amnesty for illegals currently in this country. Some may sugarcoat his turn-about on the issue as due to "political expediency" but those of us who went to the bank with his position at election time are rightously offended. I am one of those voters, who after voting Republican for the last 45 years have finally had enough and left the GOP for a position as a regestered Independant. I'm a WASP age 64 and if the GOP is losing the likes of my demographic, and they are hemmoraging them here in Arizona, it bodes poorly for the future of that 2 Party system everyone has become so enamoured with.
John McCain in Arizona is like a member of the "Daley machine" in Chicago, probably can't be beat straight up, but many here are hoping that the drumming he is going to take in this presidential bid will cause him to seriously think about hanging it up come next election. Age is his enemy. Can't imagine another term for him and would not be surprised to see him cross over to the Democratics, since he fits in so well with them. As for Jake Flake, I think his last name says it all from my perspective.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
I like him a lot, and it troubled me when he initially favored this bill. However, it is looking more and more like he will eventually ditch out on his support - I certainly hope he does.
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