The "Do Over!" Caucus Gets Two New Members

Sens. Warner and Lugar Seek to Turn Back Time

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Republican Senators John Warner (R-VA) and Richard Lugar (R-IN) are out today with their much-anticipated proposal for a way forward in Iraq. Just one catch, it’s not a way forward, but a trip backwards. The Senators introduced an amendment to the Defense Appropriation Bill that would require the president to seek a new Congressional authorization for continued military operation in Iraq.

”Many of the conditions and motivations that existed when we authorized force almost five years ago no longer exist or are irrelevant to our current situation,” Mr. Lugar said. He went on, saying the 2002 war authorization is “obsolete and requires revision.”

This was a bad idea when Sen. Hillary!™ Clinton proposed a similar amendment, and it didn’t get any better once a Republican’s name was attached.

Read on…

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 is five pages long. The first three contain all the Whereas Clauses. Most of these are there to lay out the history of the United States’ conflict with Iraq. With the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime, most of these have indeed been satisfied. Seven of the clauses, however, do not refer to the previous regime or its activities and are the ones that are operative today.

Whereas members of al Qaida [sic], an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq; […]

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations; […]

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore,…

These clauses make it quite clear that not only is Iraq part of the Global War on Terrorism, but to leave Iraq would be a declaration of that war’s end. Senator Lugar’s statement that the AUMF is “obsolete” is only true if all of the following are true as well:

• "al-Qaida" is no longer in Iraq.

• "[T]he acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations" is no longer a threat to the United States.

• It is no longer the sense of Congress that the United States should "promote the emergence of a democratic government" in Iraq.

• Congress no longer plans to take steps to "pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations."

• Congress is no longer determined to "continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations."

• Congress no longer recognizes that the president "has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States."

• It is no longer in the national security interests of the United States to "restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region."

I don’t believe that Senators Warner and Lugar would agree to any of the above, but that is what the Senate will be declaring if their amendment passes. When Sen. Clinton proposed revoking the president’s authority to use force in Iraq, she was doing so as a sop to the ant-war base of the Democratic party and to enhance her chances of being her party’s presidential nominee. She was also looking to deflect criticism from the left of her vote to provide that authority. That is not the case here. Sen. Warner is up for reelection in 2008, but I do not attribute political backside covering to him as a motive. Rather, both men appear to be motivated by a desire to end the bickering in Congress.

“Senator Warner and I recognize that there is broad disagreement in Congress on what I have called the ‘binary choice between surge and withdrawal,’ ” Mr. Lugar said. “Nevertheless, we also have sensed a palpable desire in this body to achieve greater bipartisanship.”

Their proposal would not just end the bickering, were it ever to become law through a veto override vote, but it would effectively end the war. No new authorization could pass a Congress under Democratic control. Not as long as there is a Republican president. For as much as Sens. Warner and Lugar don’t want the United States to lose the War in Iraq, their Democratic colleagues don’t want to be blamed for losing it. That is why they can’t get the votes to simply cut off the funds for the war. Proposals like this one only give the Democrats cover to continue undermining the war effort with their show votes and political stunts.

None of us get to go back in time, much as we’d like to. The Iraq War has not been the picture of perfect management to be sure, but it is a war, not a pick-up game. Senators cannot simply say “Do Over!” and expect to move past the argument over the rules. People’s lives are at stake. Here is the rule: if you don’t win completely and totally, you lose. That’s it. There are no half-victories. Not losing does not equal winning, however, not winning does constitute losing. To win, the United States needs one day’s more determination than her enemies have. It does not need up-to-date Congressional resolutions. Sens. Warner and Lugar may be well intentioned, but intentions don’t win wars either. Armies do. Sens. Warner and Lugar, and indeed the entire Congress, would do better to remember that, get out from in front of our brave troops, and get behind them.

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Even if this passes, what effect will it have? "Redefining the mission" so that Bush can "only protect American interests and fight terrorism". Sounds like pretty vague language that can be used to justify just about anything.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

These two "Rodney King" ('can't we just get along?') Republicans are fools. The Dems don't want a bipartisan path forward. These two fossils are playing right into their hands... i.e. end the war via Republican sponsored legislation. Or at least get Repub fingerprints on it so they (the Dems) can't be blamed for the defeat, the increased security threat to America that will ensue, and the resultant carnage that will occur in Iraq.

I am sick.

Calling Tony Snow... start the domestic info surge immediately and publicly expose this fraud of a plan by these two middle of the road, as the wind blows "leaders!"

Progress is being made in Iraq. The weakest front is here at home.

Jack
The World's Ruined

to vote out of the Senate. He's probably not running again.

All the more reason for him to be principled instead of blowing with the wind.

What a disgrace.

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of us are seeing what is going on. They are all just helping the President a little bit here. We all know that it took till his second term until he actually vetoed a bill. Don't all you see it, the two senators are just helping him out and trying to beef up his vetos.

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Ronald Reagan

Has officially thrown the towel in on Richard Lugar, who is, by far, the most popular politician in Indiana history (even more than the Bayh family). He's a shill on immigration and now the face of the Republicn Rebellion.

The man is marked for 2010.

I suppose they both recall days when one could make statements and never have the text reviewed. Fortunately, those days are gone. This appears to be two old guys at the end of their careers losing nerve and on the "legacy" wagon; trying to place a marker on the outcome.

I missed the compelling reason to not wait until September and listen to the people fighting this war.

Here is my idea; let's end the war when AQ signs a surrender agreement.

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We Americans need to stop living in fear of 5,000-40,000 Islamic extremists and start worrying about the Globalists who are slowly moving us into a one world government system.

Yes there are terrorists out there but if anyone truly believes that they are going to take over the world you are a fool.

The international bankers, corporations, military industrial complex, world leaders, politicians from both of our parties are the ones we need to fear.

We the people, need to come together, democrats and republicans and stand up to this group. They are dividing us thru the media, thru our political system, thru our religious beliefs to divide and conquer us all!

You watch, we will have another terrorist attack before next years elections and it will be done by terrorists used as the Globalist's tool to inflict fear and chaos in our country.

We will be told by our government and the MSM that the terrorists entered our country posing as Mexicans and they had phony ID's.

We will be told by our government and the MSM that if we all would have had National ID cards the terrorists would have never been able to move around the country if we all had National ID cards which of course will be embedded with RFID chips which will hold our personal data and we the sheeple will believe it and accept these National ID cards in the guise of national security.

Eventually these cards will replace our currency so in order to buy or sell, have a bank account, qualify for health insurance, qualify for social security, work, we will all be required to have a National ID card, which of course all true christians know is the mark of the beast from revelations.

Wake up America, wake up democrats, wake up republicans, wake up Christians, the one world government is coming as is the anti-christ. Why do you think this is all happening?

Do people honestly think our politicians are truly looking out for our best interests? They are just pawns to the master puppets, the globalist's, who of course are part of Satans army and his master plan.

It's difficult to imagine a scenario that doesn't call for a quote from the good Gov. William J. LaPetomaine.

This one is close, though.

It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?

... we've just crossed over into... the Twilight Zone.

Jack
The World's Ruined

Bye-bye. It's time to go now.

and step away from the keyboard. You've become a danger to yourself and your surroundings...

guys just make it so easy it's not fun anymore.

And BTW Jeff, since you're a writer you should know this, but probably nobody proofs your RS posts. Jooooooooooos has eleven "o"'s in it. You were four "o"'s short.
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Look, there's no way we stay there long enough to win. Support's at 30%, the RINOs are crumbling, there'll be no one left except Bush when the election season kicks up next year.

And if we're not staying long enough to win, then we SHOULD get the hell out ASAP. Let's put this right back in the Dems faces: these scenes of chaos brought to you by the Dems.

Let's put this right back in the Dems faces: these scenes of chaos brought to you by the Dems.

Libs run the MSM and write the history books. What do you think they will say in 5 years, 10 years, or 30 years? Nothing bad about the Dems, that is for sure.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

"What do you think they will say in 5 years, 10 years, or 30 years?"

Who cares? I want to win the election in 2008, not the textbook wars of 2037.

Let's put this right back in the Dems faces: these scenes of chaos brought to you by the Dems.

You are suggesting that we allow mass murder and genocide to take place so that when it is seen by the American people we can blame the Democrats.

That thought is, in and of itself, evil. Let us condemn thousands of people to death to win a political point. That statement shows as little principle as what we see coming from the left.

I think he meant that if we're going to leave our guys over there with one hand tied behind their back, then we might as well get out. It worries me that it seems we have soldiers dying because they are too afraid of damaging a mosque, injuring an innocent civilian, being accusing of mistreating some insurgent, etc. Maybe this is an unfair comparison, but it's almost like asking our guys to win WWII in Europe without any air support since dropping bombs would cause too much collateral damage.

in large part because they want Senators to get along with each other again, and for the Senate to regain its clubby atmosphere, then saying "shame on them" isn't nearly enough.

I eagerly await their full explanation.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

 
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