This Flag Bows To No One. But Nancy Sure Does
America's Mother-In-Law Wears The Pants In The Family, Except When She Doesn't
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To the left is a picture of our beloved Speaker of the House. You know, Feminist-in-Chief. Just days after the Iranian thugocracy forced the female British soldier to cover her head and appear on TV attacking her own nation, Nancy decided to go to Syria and, instead of showing that She Is Woman and stick up for the female British soldier, she folded like a weak daisy in the rain.
When the American flag is paraded at the Olympics, it is the only flag among all the nations' flags that does not dip down in front of whichever world leader it is being paraded in front of. America, after all, bows to no one. Except, that is, Nancy Pelosi who, instead of asserting the American ideal of equality (she does, after all, want to re-push the ERA), succumbed to the values of our Syrian enemy and covered her head -- admitting she is, in fact, weak.
No word yet if she walked three steps behind her male counterpart.
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...to all our fighting men and women. Nothing but a disgrace.
Hopefully, Pelosi will end up publicly supporting the Dem Presidential Candidate and this photo will be splashed on every placard at every political rally: A Vote for Clinton/Obama/Edwards is a Vote for Submission
Does she HAVE a brain? Why not tell the Syrians, "I won't cover my head" and skip the tour of the mosque?
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and covering her head before walking into the Vatican, would you have the same problem with it? I was raised Catholic and my grandmother often covered her head before entering a church as a sign of respect.
Also, I notice that no one at Redstate is criticizing the fact that Republican Reps. Aderholt and Wolf are currently visiting Syria. According to a congressional official on Rep. Robert Aderholt’s (R-AL) staff, Aderholt and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) are currently visiting Israel and Syria.
Republican Rep. Hobson is also accompanying Pelosi on her Syria visit.
I guess visiting Syria is only bad if you are a Democrat...
We make no bones about being a site with a partisan frame of mind.
Go pee on someone else's website. And no, we don't really like that Hobson is traveling with her.
And I bet Aderholt and Wolf will be less willing to fall all over Assad than dear Nancy will.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
before you accuse us of not being critical of Republicans going to Syria too. (read: nice try kamikaze, but you're wrong.) sadly, I don't reckon you'll get a chance to be a member longer. buhbye.
I will also that they should not be there. They all are just undermining the President. Also Pelosi is third in line and is speaker of the house. She should be leading by example. I forget she is a do as I say not as I do person!
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I'd be willing to arrest Aderhold and Wolf for a violation of the Logan Act. As long Miss Nancy shares a cell with them. Heck, I'd be OK with shooting all three for treason after an appropriate trial, of course.
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Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
and see how they like living in Syria.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
The only credibility these Congresspersons are building is the credibilty of the terrorists.
Any terrorist in the world can now assure the populations that they are terrorizing that the Americans will not protect them. As long as Democrats are anywhere near the control of US foreign policy, anti American terrorists will be able to safely take over any foreign country.
Democrats are doing the same as they did in 1975, they are surrendering to terrorists. They are handing the Mideast terrorists the license to kill those people
who have supported the US in the past few years. Just as they handed the Viet Cong, and other Communist regimes the license to kill millions in the aftermath of the Vietnam War.
Someone needs to investigate why America has a political party, determined to surrender to terrorists, for no other apparent reason than they just don’t want to defend America. Why America has a political party responsible for the deaths of millions in SE Asia, and now intend to do the same thing in the Mid East: Why?
Who benefits from the Democrats surrendering to the terrorists? One can be sure someone does, and it is not America.
as one of the political leaders of the U.S.
one can easily distinguish between aiding and abetting the enemy, i.e., treason, and simply talking with the enemy in your capacity as speaker of the house.
i agree that the dems have behaved extremely badly, in some ways worse than they did during vietnam, in fact.
but it won't help to charge them with crimes they didn't commit.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
capital offense. I don't care if they can be convicted of littering in a mosque, if it's a capital offense.
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in the world has now been assured by the Democrats, that they are welcome to attack Americans and there will be no penalty from America.
Pres Bush's foreign policy means nothing. Electing a president is just a waste of time and money. Only the Democrats are allowed to conduct American foreign policy now. The official foreign policy of the United States now is what ever the terrorist want, the Democrats give them. But none dare call it treason.
Art III Section III of the US Constitution
I'm sure that someone will point another version, where it says that it's OK to give aid and comfort to the enemy if you are a government official of a certain political party.
I'm also sure that it hasn't been explained to the military members today; any better than it was to us in the military when John Kerry was able to meet with the enemy in Paris with no repurcussions, while the military is just supposed to die in defense of their country. Something is badly wrong in America.
lines and said "Have a nice life." 'Course, the CSA didn't want him either, so he wound up in Canada.
In Vino Veritas
We SHOULD be at war with Syria. Syria is a serious enemy and has committed many acts of war against us.
But legally we are not at war with Syria.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
And it has always been that way. So was Iraq not our enemy either until our tanks started to roll across the border? I don't see anything about the definition of treason that requires a state of war to be in effect. History would suggest it does not.
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the United States was never in a state of war with the Confederate States of America. The United States refused to recognize the Confederate States of America, which would have been the essential predicate of a state of war. The US officially characterized the "unpleasantness" between Apr '61 and Apr '65 as an "insurrection" that was beyond the abilities of local law enforcement, hence, the President relying on executive authority called on the Governors to provide 75, 000 militia troops to "suppress the rebellion" after the attack on Ft. Sumter, leading to the secession of the upper South states rather than providing the state troops. As a war, the "Civil War" had far less legal basis and Congressional authorization than does the Iraq War or even Vietnam. Basically, Lincoln asked for money to keep the troops in the field, and by giving it to him, authorized continuing prosecution of the effort to suppress the rebellion. They also gave his specific authorization for certain actions such as the US Conscription Act, but the "War" was run mostly on executive authority with a certain amount of love and affection from the Congressional "Committee on the Conduct of the War."
In Vino Veritas
Indeed, it was an insurrection, but there were many actions on the part of the Union that smack of tacit recognition of the South as separate. First, there was no attempt made to constitute, even in "exile," any loyal government for the allegedly seceded states. No congressional delegations from the CSA states sat during the war, and though most of the elected representation had left of their own accord, those that even attempted to stay were ejected.
Secondly, the U.S. admitted to the Union the state of West Virginia without the consent of the elected representatives of the state of Virginia, of which it had been a part, in direct contravention of the constitution (by which no state shall be created out of the territory of another state without the consent of that state). Why should they have sought consent - Virginia was no longer a part of the Union and it was simply an annexation of territory from a foreign power.
Thirdly, the very fact of Reconstruction is a tacit recognition of secesion. For if the states in question had never been able to legally leave the United States, then there should have been no need for them to petition for readmission to those United States. They should have been able to elect representatives to Congress once hostilities had ended and an orderly election process was possible. But some states waited a decade under military governors, with no say in congress or in presidential elections because they were "conquered terrirtory."
Fourthly, any number of high ranking Confederate civil and military officials were never tried for treason - which would have been a given had this been a pure insurrection. Armed actions against the government and military of the United States is clearly in the definition of treason. Charges against Jefferson Davis were dropped. Robert E. Lee was never even arrested. CSA VP Stephens spent 5 months in prison and went on to serve in Congress after the war.
So, while the rhetoric of the North may have been that this was an insurrection, they failed to treat it as such at several turns during and after the armed conflict - making it not unfair to consider the North to have made a tacit acceptance of the CSA even if not formally.
You bring up good points, and if I wasn't already tired, I would write a longer piece, but let's take it point-by-point:
1.) Refusal of admittance to loyalists. This is probably your strongest point. But, if a state is rebelling, shouldn't it lose its rights to have representation in Congress? This doesn't mean that the US recognized them as a separate country-rather, they denied them representation as punishment for rebellion.
2.) West Virginia. This was the recognition by the Union that, while the state of Virginia wasn't finished with its rebellion, there was a serious contingent of those who wished to remain in the Union in this one particular region, and so they basically did what they could to recognize that.
3.) Reconstruction. After the war, they realized that there was still strong rebel sentiment, and they wanted the states to show that they would be loyal in the future, and decided to make them work for it.
4.) Lack of charges against Confederate leaders for treason. Should they have been punished? Maybe so. But their lack of punishment was not acknowledgement of their separate nation status, but rather was a political ploy to show the defeated rebels that they were not going to be punitive, but wanted to go about the business of making the country whole again.
I would love to talk further, but my bed is calling my name.
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I wonder if Syria is "legally" shipping men and arms to Iraq. And if knocking off a few Lebanese Prime Ministers was "legal".
Do your best not get caught up in that, or the Debutante in Damascus will claim another soul...
while exiled in Canada. The more things change the more they remain the same, copperheads!
“They chose dishonor. They will have war.” - Winston Churchill
traveling to Syria she is lending legitimacy to that.
as for the Republican Reps, while most of the Republican base does not approve of their trip aka boondoggle, they are small fry and in no position to provide the propaganda coup that Nancy is doing for the Damascus-Teheran axis.
All Democrats are supposed cover their heads and bow to dictators, nothing new.
Everything else she did was wrong. Going to Syria in the first place was wrong.
But it's proper to be modest in a place of worship. Not that long ago, many Catholic churches in Europe would have required a woman to cover her head before entering.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
Ok, I'd buy it if she is in a mosque, or any other church for that matter. But if the person third in line to the Presidency puts that rag on her head just to be out and about in Syria, I'm incensed! I hate even seeing the reporters do it. God how I miss the days when it was said that, "The British go about like they own the World, the Americans like they don't care who owns it."
In Vino Veritas
I didn't think she was just out and about but visiting a mosque.
Never mind then. Pile on. If she put one on just to walk around in public, then she should be duly excoriated and shamed.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
"Pelosi draped a scarf over her head as she entered the historic mosque and stopped at a tomb inside the mosque said to contain the head of St. John the Baptist."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O98BJG0&show_article=1
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
Sorry, but you can't believe everything you read in Drudge. Didn't he have a headline on Sunday that said "America Loves Hillary" (BLEAAAHHH) after just having a headline that said 50 pecent of Americans would never vote for her. The guy is kookie.
So, it is foolish to believe 100% of anything that anyone says.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
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Think really hard.
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That reminds me, did you see the announcement of Google's free broadband internet service? Coincidentally, also made on Sunday.
http://www.google.com/tisp/
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I think its based on a Dilbert comic. Too funny!
A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams
I say what? this woman and I use the term loosely holds herself up to be the grandmother of the feminists and she subjagates herself to a man (deity or alive) by covering her head, and by the way I don't care if it's the catholic church or the mosque, she would say we have come a long way baby and I would tell her maybe I have but you have not.
Peace through superior fire power:)
but with her being there. The fact she doesn't understand that its not her place is the problem.
I wore a yarmulke at a Jewish wedding not long ago. I didn't feel like I was "submitting" just being respectful.
I was expected to take off my shoes and cover my head, which I did without a qualm. So I agree with you on that.
But I agree with you on the other matter, too: she should not have been there in the first place. Syria is currently trying to retake full control of Lebanon, and they're using groups that have killed American troops in the past to do it. Speaker Pelosi is one of the most powerful people in the most powerful government on the planet, and she should bloody well act like it.
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if yes, can you post the photo?
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
I don't follow the 5 Ks, and I do know the first rule about insulting a room full of Sikhs: don't. Not that I'd want to: all the ones that I've ever met have been very nice people.
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Condi Rice meeting with King Abdullah in Saudi Arabia:
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
when she put on the scarf?
The article I've read says that she was in a mosque. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O98BJG0&show_article=1
I ask seriously, not rhetorically. I'd like to know.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
I like the photo of her in a head scarf and I look forward to her explaining it. In fact, I suspect it might become a staple in my photo directory.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
if there is one thing I've learned from how the left treats Republicans/conservatives it is never back off a really good story. Fake but accurate and all that.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
I wonder how she would behave at a leper colony.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
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The faux outrage here is truly amazing. There are legitimate reasons to object to Pelosi's trip, the least of which is covering her head. Here's an official WH photo of Laura Bush. Doesn't appear to be inside a Mosque either....
appears from the picture to be at the Western Wall in Israel. most consider it a kind of open air synagogue as many many Jews pray there regularly. And custom would dictate that a married woman cover her head in a synagogue.
But in the end, I don't care if San Fran Nan convered her head in a mosque, out of a mosque, up in a tree. She shouldn't be there to cover her head in the first place. End of story. What she does there is only like salt in the wound - merely increases the damage she is doing.
(Oh, and as far as I know, one is still required to maintain certain dress and cover one's head to entire St. Peter's in Rome).
Nor is she trying to conduct some shadow foreign policy of her own.
Pelosi is both.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
How dare this uppity woman travel to Syria just like her three republican colleques before her. And the nerve of her showing respect for another religion in their house of worship. She should have worn a mini skirt that would have shown them.
I know that your buddies think that this is the sort of place where you can express all those thoughts that you can't at home, but, sorry, no.
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I'm surprised she was allowed to enter a mosque. I've spent some time in India and I know some muslims there who told me that women are not allowed to enter the mosque.
Money quote:
"We have made it clear to high-ranking officials, whether they be Republicans or Democrats, that going to Syria sends mixed signals, signals in the region and, of course, mixed signals to President Assad," Bush said. "Photo opportunities and/or meetings with President Assad lead the Assad government to believe they're part of the mainstream of the international community, when, in fact, they're a state sponsor of terror."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O99T3G0&show_article=1
I'm a Conservative, a Christian, I support the War in Iraq, and I support President Bush on every single issue except one I believe he should talk to Syria but not Iran. Nixon went to China and the Soviet Union, Sadat went to Israel, Maybe Bush should go to Damascus that way the others will stop going. Remember that Senators John Kerry, D-Mass., Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and Arlen Specter, R-Pa.,Bill Nelson D-Fla also visited Syria back in December,. Reagan sent Philip Habib there in the 1980's and Bush's father had extensively relations with them . James Baker who was Secretary of State at the time made several visits to Assads father in Damascus heck he even had Syria fighting on our side in the first Gulf War. In fact they sent in 16,000 troops which was the 5th largest contingent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Gulf_War#Troop_deployment
Another fact is that they have 2 Million Christians which make up 10% of the population. Remember it's illegal to be a Christian in Saudi Arabia but thats not the case in Syria.
SYRIAN CHURCH
Syrian Surprise: Christians Free to Worship
CBN 700 Club Article
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/CWN/040105syria.aspx
It also appears that Assad has allowed more freedoms than his father. "interestingly enough, the last 5 years all Syrians have had enormous freedoms, they are allowed to watch satellite television, they have had access to the internet. The previous 25 years, under his father's regime was very, very difficult. And you'd better believe the young man who trained in England to be an opthalmologist, is today, trying to reform his country."
I'm no fan of Pelosi but she didn't do anything wrong this time. Americans should be able to travel anywhere they want to whether they are private citizens or public officials. I don't believe that the Government of a free and democratic nation should try to restrict it's citizens from traveling to any destination that they happen to choose to visit. Thats what Communist countries do. We don't need a Nanny State that wants to plan it's own citizens vacations.
And as far as the head scarf... she was being respectful. There is nothing wrong with that.
"Let me now take a more comprehensive view, & warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the Spirit of Party, generally."
George Washington
allow themselves to potentially be used as propaganda props. We should expect them to know when such situations can arise, and then AVOID them.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
about who our government talks to behind the scenes. Should Bush talk to them openly? Maybe. Can Nancy? Yes. Should Nancy? No. Her only purpose is to embarrass Bush. Does this help U.S.? No. But Nancy thinks it helps her and what else matters?
2 million Christians ... It also appears that Assad has allowed more freedoms than his father. "interestingly enough, the last 5 years all Syrians have had enormous freedoms, they are allowed to watch satellite television, they have had access to the internet.
And Syria pays to have American blown up. Assad is a sponsor of terrorism, and the Speaker-In-Law has no business talking to him.
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Wait -- do you mean *Speaker Pelosi* has no business talking to the leader of Syria, or that no American official has business talking to them?
Because I seem to recall that even though the Soviets did some pretty bad stuff, we still had a Big Red Phone put next to the President's desk, precisely to allow them to do such a thing.
If you're a making a general statement that one should never *talk* to one's enemies (but presumably, only destroy them?), then that's one thing. If you're saying that Speaker Pelosi shouldn't be doing such a thing because she's not an executive, that's another.
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not next to the Speaker's podium. It's not her place to engage in foreign policy.
She should not be there.
If the President wants to go, or send a minion, he should go, or send a minion. It's his call. He would not send Nancy.
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with them by the way we also have full diplomatic relations with Syria. Next month Secretary of State Rice will sit down with Syrian and even Iranian officials in Turkey.
http://damascus.usembassy.gov/index.html
They have religious freedoms they may not be the idea government but we have worked with them in the past and during Bush 41's government we had better relations with them than at anytime in history.
sits down with someone, she will be speaking as a US official authorized to conduct foreign policy. Her job is already hard enough, why make it harder. There is no chance that Speaker Pelosi is bringing the same message as Sec of State Rice. Speaker Pelosi is not the US Sec of State. President Bush has not authorized her to conduct American foreign policy and no one has shown that there is any statement authorizing the Speaker of the House to conduct foreign policy.
scenes we are talking to them. We sure should be.
http://damascus.usembassy.gov/index.html
http://www.syrianembassy.us/ambassador.htm
"Welcome to the website of the Embassy of Syria in Washington D.C. We hope this site provides you with a clear understanding of Syrian history, culture, and tradition. Syria is a historic country rich in heritage, and is a mosaic of ethnicities and religions.
We hope to provide you with solutions, services, and information to help you while living in the United States or planning a trip to Syria. We have devoted great importance to increasing the ability of the embassy to better serve our community in the United States. We are in pursuit of increasing our diplomatic, economic, social and cultural ties locally as well as internationally.
Furthermore, we aspire to keep the Syrian community living in the United States updated on current events, social activities, and recent news. We encourage you to help us build our relations, friendships, and cooperation through the exchange of ideas and experiences. "
IMAD MOUSTAPHA, Ph.D.
Ambassador of Syria to the U.S.A.
If Pat Robertsons 700 Club website which is as a conservative religious right wing as it could possibly gets portrays Syria in a very favorably light then we should talk with them we sure have talked with alot worse people.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/CWN/040105syria.aspx
Besides the Syrian Embassy in Washington they also have 3 Honorary Consulates of Syria in the United States.
http://www.syrianembassy.us/honorary_consulates.htm
http://www.syrianconsulate.org/
The Honorable Consul of Syria
California
Dr. Hazem Chehabi
3 Civic Plaza, Suite 190
New Port Beach, CA 92600
Tel: (949) 640-9888
The Honorable Consul of Syria
Texas
Mr. Ayman Midani
1022 Wirt Rd., Suite 300
Houston, TX 77055
Tel: (713) 622-8860
The Honorable Consul of Syria
Michigan
Dr. Naji Arwashan
P.O.Box 2392
Birmingham, MI 48012-2392
Tel: (248) 519-2496
We obviously talk to them and if they were so tied into Teorrism why the heck are they allowed to have 4 full diplomatic missions in the US and that doesn't even include their United Nations Delegation in New York City.
support him on everything else. I don't think we should talk to Iran no matter what especially after the stunt they just pulled with the British sailors and marines. But Syria is a different situation. We have no diplomatic relations with Iran but we have full diplomatic relations with Syria.Bush should personally talk with Assad. His daddy dealt with them and his dad was a great president.I love and respect president Bush but he is one stubburn Texan that really needs to travel to Damascus.
George Bush needs to travel to Damascus? Now, I could see the B-52 wing from Barksdale AFB visiting....
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
So you are all over free trade agreements and the amnesty bill? It sure didn't seem that way from your other postings.
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She let it happen. And, she should KNOW that images like this make great PR tools--for the other side.
When I visited East Berlin as a young Army LT, I was reminded to avoid East German war memorials. But, if I did go, I was told NOT to remove my hat.
Wait, you might say, that's an innocent sign of respect---what harm could there be in removing your hat? Well, turns out the East Germans (a country that the US, UK and France didn't officially recognize in the crazy world of Cold War Berlin) would take pictures of those American soldiers who did remove their hats in the memorial. Then, they'd show up in communist propaganda, where they'd be touted as proof that the West was "recognizing" the legitimacy of the East German government and the socialist revolution, by showing respect to its fallen heroes.
Responsible public leaders know full well the power of the images they create. They also know to take care to not create images that can then be used to symbolize something much different than was initially intended.
At the very least, Nancy Pelosi has given us grounds to assert that she is careless and one raging dumbbell. Her actions might easily have complicated the Bush Administration's efforts to convince Arab and other peoples that America is resolute and united in its opposition to terrorism. The Speaker might also have made it harder for our State Department and allies to marshal international support against Bashar Assad, or to isolate his terror-supporting state.
Given those possibilities, how can Speaker Pelosi justify what she did? Let her try.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
is all over the mid east tonight and has been since the 1st mention of the Democrat victory in 2006
The Democrat leaders seem to think that enemy propaganda means nothing. I think the enemy propaganda campaign is so well run it is being coordinated at a very high level by someone.
Yeah, those pictures of bare-headed Americans really convinced the East Germans that the West thought their government was legitimate. Huh? The East Germans, after the '58 revolution, didn't depend on the West to form views of their government. The former East Germans with whom I've worked with put as much faith in the government press as we did.
The best lap-dog moment of recent memory was the bashful attentive lean-over of Tony Blair while Bush talked to him with his mouth full. That was a real good nail in his coffin, but not a decisive one.
So, any good images that had real impact on the actual outcome of a war or other situation by a public figure? Chamberlain getting felt up by Hitler- now that was embarrasing and made Hitler think he could get away with it.
Yeah, those pictures of bare-headed Americans really convinced the East Germans that the West thought their government was legitimate.
The East Germans must have thought they were of some value, because they went to a lot of trouble to try and get them. I doubt the fellows in Berlin Brigade who cautioned me about this just made it up.
Huh?
Wow---a compelling assessment, there. I think I'll take advice from the Berlin Brigade over you.
The former East Germans with whom I've worked with put as much faith in the government press as we did.
You presume the East German and Soviet governments collected these images just for domestic consumption? You're sure they weren't used in international propaganda? It seems pretty obvious that you don't care---but the US government certainly did.
Last time I checked, the executive branch ran foreign policy. And, it was the branch primarily charged with setting an effective "image" of the US overseas. The executive branch told San Fran Nan not to go, and she did anyway. We have photographic proof...and so do the Arab propagandists.
If San Fran Nan is so careless and stupid that she complicates the executive branch's job, then she deserves to be criticized. If she thinks she can do the job better, she can try to get it in November 2008. (What a hoot that would be!)
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
with anything else.
"Claostrophobia there's too much paranoia
There's too many closets
I went in before
And now I got a reason
It's no real reason to be waiting
The Berlin wall"
http://web.info.uvt.ro/~mata/text/SexPistols.html#HolidaysInTheSun
I appreciate the effort and the outrage set forth in your post.
But seriously -- a picture of a person in a headscarf is *not* a Hanoi Jane equivalent. At most, it just equates with good manners, akin to covering one's head at the Western Wall, or removing your shoes in a Japanese restaurant.
So, you might argue, it's bad because it plays as bad back home? Well, it doesn't unless people take it as such -- out of ignorance.
Disagree as you might with Pelosi's being there in the first place, but her wearing of the hijab is merely a gesture of local politeness, and to escalate it as more than this is really a big waste of time.
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in Lebanon, Syria is involved. Every picture and report of WMD going across a border the trail leads to Syria .
Syria a State of Terror
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Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
By Con Coughlin
Last Updated: 11:07pm GMT 24/01/2004
David Kay, the former head of the coalition's hunt for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, yesterday claimed that part of Saddam Hussein's secret weapons programme was hidden in Syria.
In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Dr Kay, who last week resigned as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said that he had uncovered evidence that unspecified materials had been moved to Syria shortly before last year's war to overthrow Saddam.
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."
I trust President Bush to manage foreign policy a lot more than I do Sen Kerry or any others from the surrender party.
I believe what Pres Bush is doing is correct, and what Speaker Pelosi and her supporters are doing wrong.
there to. Bush's father had dealings with them and it's same group running the place infact their leaders father ruled Syria at the time Bush's father was president. They were even our allies in the first Gulf War.
So I'll repeat something said upthread. A president is allowed to speak to whomever he wants. He is the sole person invested with the power of foreign policy. He may send the Secretary of Satte to speak for him. He may decide one day to start talking to someone we used to shun or start shunning someone we used to speak to. It is irrelevant what past PRESIDENTS did in relation to Syria. Especially if those actions predate 9/11.
It is also irrelevant that Republicans went to Syria. We're not much impressed with their stupidity either. And in the case of Specter, I doubt there are many here who think very highly of him on any matter. We are being consistent. It is BAD for CongressCritters to run around to foreign leaders, especially when those visits are in direct opposition to the Administration's wishes. We would no more have supported Denny Hastert making such trips (which he didn't you might note).
But it is especially BAD when those who tout themselves as leaders - like Pelosi - do these sorts of things. Notice that we didn't see a lot of pictures of Assad with Snalen' Arlen and Bill Nelson. We do, and will, see a lot of pictures of Nan in Syria because she is in a position to create policy.
You are trying to point to inconsistencies that aren't there and trying to defend that which has no justification. Quit before you dig yourself any deeper.
The Republicans traveling to Syria means 4 Republicans made the same mistake as a bunch of Democrats for some reason known only to them. They are not telling the terrorists that the terrorists will be safe as soon as they get in power, so it doesn't have the same effect as the Democrat sellouts do.
May we broadcast her photo, her image of submission, far and wide. Far and wide.
NOW would be a good time for SecState Rice to give a speech on the importance of Western female leaders sending the right PR message to the Islamic world. A well-publicized speech.
NOW would also be a good time for lots of comparison between Margaret Thatcher and Nancy Pelosi. (Calling Mark Steyn!)
And, most of all, now is NOT the time for some soft-hearted (headed?) WH functionary to publicly stick up for San Fran Nan. She crawled out on this branch, all on her own. I don't expect the WH to show up and offer her a helping hand off this PR mess she's created.
No...I expect them to show up with a saw.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
...well, I figure you know how the rest of that old saw goes.
Politeness should not be equated with weakness -- and disagree as you might with the *purpose* of Speaker Pelosi's visit, I don't see as how she did anything inherently wrong.
I wont' even go into the context in which the picture was taken, as it seems to be in some dispute whether it was in a mosque or not.
But seriously, are you advocating the idea that it's just better to brazenly violate the ideals of the local population for no reason? Well, no, not no reason -- but to show our dominance?
I'm all in favor of making sure Western humanist ideas are in play here, but tromping all over the local temple in shoes when bare feet are called for doesn't really seem to me to be the best way to go about it.
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Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute.
But set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
But seriously, are you advocating the idea that it's just better to brazenly violate the ideals of the local population for no reason? Well, no, not no reason -- but to show our dominance?
She should not have been in the country at all. Having to put on a hijjab should tell her that, but by then it was too late.
And by the way, to avoid violating the ideals of the local population, should she also hop on a bus and blow herself up?
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See the Academy
when in Rome....
" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln
They have 3 Honorary Consulates of Syria in the United States(New Port Beach, CA:Houston, TX : & Birmingham, MI in addition to their Main Embassy in Washington DC. They also have a Full diplomatic mission located at the UN in New York City.
http://www.syrianembassy.us/honorary_consulates.htm
We also have a complete diplomatic embassy there:
http://syria.usembassy.gov/index.html
They even stopped a terrorist attack last September on our USA embassy in Damascus Syria.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/12/syria.embassy/index.html
"DAMASCUS, Syria (CNN) -- U.S. officials praised Syrian security forces for thwarting Tuesday's attack on the U.S. Embassy in Damascus despite the usually tense relationship with the Middle Eastern country.
The Syrians killed three attackers and apprehended a suspect outside the embassy after a car exploded near the walls of the American compound, the Syrian Information Ministry said.
"I do think the Syrians reacted to the attack in a way that helped to secure our people, and we very much appreciate that," U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said while visiting Canada."
because Pres Bush and Sec of State Rice deem that the proper thing to do. They are in charge of foreign policy, why not let them do their job?
makes me sick that we have spent 6 years trying to isolate the Syrians- then she flies over there after surrendering in Iraq. The libs could not come up with a more disastrous foreign policy for the Middle East if they tried- and the GOP for some reason is doing nothing to bring this fact up. Where are the TV ads showing this?!!
United States Air Force
http://airforcepundit.blogspot.com
She's just the latest liberal democrat parading into the Middle East.
Let her stay with Assad, and try to get him to allow Gay Muslims into his army! Maybe she'll bring him a case of Tuna Fish!
But, keep her over there for awhile. If Assad is really slick, he'll get a special unit of the Iranian Theocratic police to escort her around Damascus.