And Now, for a Series of Brief Reminders to a Certain Segment of our Voting Coalition
From the "elections have consequences" file.
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1. Democrats, not Republicans, control the Senate.
2. Max Baucus is up for re-election in 2008.
3. Tom Harkin, who hails from a state that is, we are led to believe, uniformly opposed to the immigration bill, is up for re-election in 2008.
4. Mary Landrieu is up for re-election in 2008.
5. Frank Lautenberg is up for re-election in 2008.
6. Mark Pryor is up for re-election in 2008.
7. Jay Rockefeller is up for re-election in 2008.
8. Tim Johnson may be retiring in 2008.
9. Jon Kyl is up for re-election in 2012.
Now, far be it from me to suggest that a certain, ah, realignment of priorities might be in order, but you see I'm generally in favor of the confirmation of solid judges, lower taxes, and taking the threat of Islamism seriously. Maybe some of you are in favor of those things, too? Maybe we could *keep* the people who vote for those things, *and* try to add some who are in favor of the things we *both* want, while getting rid of some of the people who vote for *none* of those things, all at the same time? Too much to ask?
Well, thought I'd try.
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Maybe the complete list would be helpful.
You can find it here.
Summary:
We will need to defend 22 seats - 21 that come up in 2008, and the special election in WY for whoever replaces Sen. Thomas. The 21 seats are in: AL, AK, CO, GA, ID, KS, KY, ME, MN, MS, NE, NH, NM, NC, OK, OR, SC, TN, TX, VA, WY. Not exactly a series of hostile states, especially in a presidential year.
Democrats defend 12 seats, and possibly a 13th depending on who gets their presidential nomination and whether they will stay in their seat. They defend in AR, DE, IL, IA, LA, MA, MI, MT, NJ, RI, SD, WV. Also, not terribly unfavorable for them especially if they have their incumbents all running.
The 2002 election resulted in consolidation for the most part - we took red state seats, and they held blue state seats. So while we defend more this cycle, they are in far more favorable locations than the seats we had to defend in even 2006 (PA, OH, RI, MO).
MT: Max Baucus--> Marc Rocciot
IA: Tom Harkin--> Steve King
LA: Mary Landrieu--> Richard Baker
NJ: Frank Lautenberg--> Chris Christie
AK: Mark Pryor--> John Boozman
WV: Jay Rockefeller--> Shelly Moore Capito
SD: Tom Johnson--> Mike Rounds
I'm just saying that it can be done. I like Jon Kyl too much to toss him overboard on this.
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"As nations can not be rewarded or punished in the next world they must be in this."
- George Mason
AR: Mark Pryor-->Mike Huckabee
MA: John Kerry-->Mitt Romney
CO: Wayne Allard (retiring)-->Tom Tancredo
"We should scrap this “comprehensive” immigration bill and the whole debate until the government can show the American people that we have secured the borders -- or at least made great headway."
Fred Thompson
In all honesty as a citizen of Arkansas I have to say there really isn't a single Republican candidate in the state with the name recognition or popularity to even remotely challenge Pryor. The only major Republican who won statewide office was Huckabee and he is off playing presidential candidate. The other, Win Rockefeller, died last year so our bench is pretty empty at the moment.
Not running.
Tancredo? Not going to the Senate.
Its Schaffer, the high and mighty in the country club in Colorado have already chosen him (after backstabbing him for Pete Coors, who gave the race away to Salazar), and chased off McInnes (who stood a good chance of winning here).
On the Dem side it will be Udall, and polls so far show him stomping Schaeffer.
I haven't seen any polls on the Udall v Schaffer race yet. What are you pointing to because I expected it to be a close race.
Let the Democrats win all those seats with those matchups (except the Huckabee one).
Tancredo wouldn't get 40% of the vote. Romney is now Pro-Life so he will have the flip flop again to run.
Huckabee is the only Republican that can challange Pryor and he is looking at the VP slot I believe.
Tancredo never seems to be in any trouble winning in his CD, so why do you think he will do so poorly in a state-wide race? I am not a supporter of Tancredo for POTUS, but I don't hate him. I would think some of his views about reducing government subsidies etc would be popular out west.
"We should scrap this “comprehensive” immigration bill and the whole debate until the government can show the American people that we have secured the borders -- or at least made great headway."
Fred Thompson
A rabbit running under the Republican banner in that district could beat any Democrat. It is like saying well just because the PVI of the Congressional District is 99.9% Republican doesn't mean it isn't hard to win.
Steve King would be a great senator. However, I would be very nervous about him risking his House seat to challenge Harkin.
"The defense of our nation begins with the defense of our borders." - Rep. Tom Tancredo
that Chris Christie runs against Lautenberg.
Mike Doherty or Bill Baroni are our options to beat the old man.
"My heart was here...I feel like I have unfinished business here." - Roy Hibbert
That you can say about NJ citizens.
1) They hate their elected politicians
2) They hate Republicans more than their elected politicians.
After Kean Jr. lost I really don't think you will find a better person to win especially in a presidential year.
my impression of NJ.
It just doesn't seem like a republican can win anything in NJ-I figure NJ has got to change before the GOP can really win in that state-and I am not sure that is going to happen.
Although it at least doesn't appear that the GOP has given up in NJ like they have in Massachussettes.
1) If Rudy is on the top of the ticket, the presidential year factor is mitigated. Not wanting to turn this into an electability thread, but Rudy will at the very least keep Jersey close, so any Senate candidate won't have too big of a hurdle to overcome.
2) Beating Lautenberg is going to be really hard.
"My heart was here...I feel like I have unfinished business here." - Roy Hibbert
...the word I am getting who word from people who work at the Capitol building that we should not expect Mike Rounds to run for Tim Johnson's seat. It would be a dream come true if he did, and I would be on board with helping. However, I am getting word to not to get excited about it.
I still pray just the same.
Wubbies World, MSgt, USAF (Retired):
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("An argument is a sequence of statements aimed at demonstrating the truth of an assertion.); }
But how can you trust Kyl on those things when he explicitly ran on one set of promises, and then reneged at the first chance?
Say what you will about McCain, at least he's consistently against the Conservative base, so you know what you're getting. With Kyl, it was a betrayal. Betrayals always get hated more than honest opponents.
Kyl's been in the Senate for over a dozen years now. Whatever you think of what he's doing now, he's clearly not a duplicitous individual by nature.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
If a candidate has been inconsistent on one issue, we can expect him or her to be inconsistent on all others. That was the point, unless I misread the poster.
Whether duplicitous by nature or duplcitous by circumstance, it is still duplicitous.
Actions have consequences. Reaping, and such.
Is that, assuming that he really did lie flat out during his campaign (I don't know, I haven't yet seen transcripts of exactly what he said), that's still evidence of an aberration from an otherwise stellar record. Unlike, say, Arlen Specter, who has a history of scummery and betrayal marred only by his outstanding defense of Clarence Thomas.
Let his duplicitousness (if it is that) spread to other issues and we'll see if I need to retract.
We'll have six years in which to make a good, thorough judgment on this matter.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
let us assume Kyl joins with a coalition for embryonic stem cell research (I assume he won't, but you get the point).
Will you still say his 2006 abortion position wasn't duplicitous? Of course you won't, and you have just acknowledged as much. Certainly you should extend the same courtesy to Arizonans, who may for all I know renominate him gladly or toss his butt out of the Senate.
Again, actions have consequences. Whether we agree with them or not does not extend to others with different viewpoints.
We'll continue this tomorrow, I promise. Unless I get sucked into another endless depo, in which case I will have betrayed you and you may feel free to never trust me again.
;-)
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
I said "get sucked into one" not "take one" - this is what happens to summer associates (which I currently am).
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
For all I know you will be in the same office where I do the same tomorrow :)
Good luck with it, regardless.
to be a summer associate years ago, they should be taking you out to lunch and ball games on the firm. Are they actually making you work these days?
Frank Katz
Is it your premise that we should spot senators one betrayal per dozen years?
Because that's exactly what this is. It would be different if he hadn't campaigned on the opposite. If I lived in Arizona I'd have already signed a recall petition. But I live in Texas where we have one decent Senator and one wobbly one.
Otherwise you can raise 5 or 6 mill (which is probably at the low end these days) and run for Senate yourself, so you can presumably *never* betray yourself. Although most people who get there say they end up betraying themselves more than candidates ever betrayed them, that's another discussion for another time.
My premise is that a Critter who screws up once every dozen year is a darn good Critter. One of the best, in fact.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
you're considerably more forgiving than me (and I think than the Republican base). If this passes, the Republican coalition is done. So all those other things you care about? They won't happen. President Hillary will get to put 2 or 3 on the supreme court, and get them confirmed easily with the 58 Democrats plus a few liberal Republicans ensuring things.
You may think I'm exaggerating. I hope we'll never find out.
...I should be with Kyle. I think he is someone worth reelecting. However, I must admit this immigration stunt he is pulling more than hurts. I have struggled to came up with an explanation to understand why he is doing it, but I have come up short.
I try to not to be a one issue voter. I am also not from Arizona. However, I will be stepping back to reevaluate my views of Congress Critters after this is over with.
I expect this kind of lunacy from Grahmnisty and McCain, but not from Kyle. It's not over yet.
Wubbies World, MSgt, USAF (Retired):
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("An argument is a sequence of statements aimed at demonstrating the truth of an assertion.); }
Wait a week or two. Either we'll be at this point already (if the bill is stopped), or all the nudging in the world won't put Humpty Dumpty back together.
Along the same lines as the Arkansas poster:
(A) Shelley Moore Capito has expressly said she will not be challenging Jay Rockefeller. That is all you need to know. Shelley is the only Republican that would even stand a shot state wide.
(B) Jay Rockefeller has a higher popularity rating than Byrd and is set to oppose the immigration bill.
(C) The only thing that will keep Rockefeller out of the US Senate is death or retirement. West Virginians will not vote him out.
GOP would be better off trying for the Montana seat or holding the Blue State seats in jeopardy
We have all that many?
Smith in Oregon - he has a nice little non-aggression with Sen. Wyden, meaning his opponent will get no comfort from his Senate colleague, and by all accounts he is not unpopular with Oregon voters.
Collins in Maine - seems to get pretty good approval ratings on a regular basis. She also is no draconian conservative, so I'm not exactly sure what she'll be demonized about, other than the R after her name.
Coleman in Minnesota - if Al Franken is the best they can do here I don't know that Norm is going to be shaking in his boots.
The rest of our seats are in rock-ribbed red states or swing states. Perhaps the most "vulnerable" in this category is Sununu in NH. Colorado will be up for grabs, but it's hard to get a bead on it until we have an idea who on each side is even going to be in the sweepstakes.
Schaeffer vs Udall
And so far, Udall looks to be ready to wipe the floor with him.
The Colorado GOP has self destructed under the guidance of fake conservative Bill Owens and the Country Club set.
...a primary challenger in the way of an Iraqi war vet. That seems to be the word coming from Hugh Hewitt.
I think that is why Coleman is shaking in his boots.
Wubbies World, MSgt, USAF (Retired):
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("An argument is a sequence of statements aimed at demonstrating the truth of an assertion.); }
I'm generally in favor of the confirmation of solid judges, lower taxes, and taking the threat of Islamism seriously
I don't know anyone here who is not generally in favor of these things. The problem is that our GOP leadership, which is shafting us on an issue which I gather you don't care so much about, is also doing it or preparing to do it on all these other subjects.
I follow Bench Memos and Confirm Them and some of the other law blogs, and all I see is complaints about the WH dragging its feet in nominating judges, and the Senate (including the GP Senate) dragging their feet on those who have been nominated.
I'm also seeing lots of indications that a bipartisan deal is in the works for Iraq, which will lead to the implementation of the ISG recommendations. Senator McConnell, our hero, was cited on the Redstate front page as endorsing such a move. And lets face it; Bush is not exactly moving heaven and earth on Iraq the way he is that subject which begins with I. In fact he seems to cave in on a new area every week.
The original Bush tax cuts are set to expire on their own, and it does not look as if the chances of keeping them are too good.
In all these cases, the President and the Senate leadership are either standing by passively and not helping, or are actually hurting our cause.
The same recalcitrant Republican leadership which is spitting in our eye on immigration is doing the same on all sorts of other issues. Witness Lott's position on earmarks and pork for example.
The Democrats conducted a poll assessing their chances for 2008, including the issues which are potential strengths and weaknesses for them.
The one issue which they see as a potential weakness is, you guessed it, immigration. I blogged it here. Assuming the GOP is interested in winning (which I'm starting to doubt) and assuming it is smarter than a box of rocks, (which I'm also starting to doubt) then one of the few potential issues it could use to claw its way back is an enforcement first position on immigration. Because our current course is flat out killing us.
With the stakes so high on these other issues, how can it possibly be that the Republican Party leadership has tied itself to the mast of a schooner with an approval rating between 3% and 23%, depending on which poll you want to use?
And keelhauled members of the crew for daring to point out that they are steering us straight for a reef.
Amnesty is detested by most Republicans. Those who seek to usher it in should not be surprised if the muster comes up a bit short the next time the roll is called.
Lord knows we need LEADERS not political opportunists and we have to vote accordingly!
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With malice towards none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see right.
Frank Lautenberg is still alive? Who knew?

Confirmation of solid judges? Check
Desire to keep taxes low? Check
Takes the threat of Islamism seriously? Check
I hope I'm able to see Jon Kyl, my Senator, reelected in 2012, if he chooses to run again.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)