Maybe I just have a sympathy deficit
By Erick Posted in Immigration — Comments (29) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
Not to re-ignite this fight, but . . . we have a group of people in this country illegally. A state senator in Georgia writes a law that says simply if a person is arrested for a felony, find out if they are an illegal alien and if they are, deport them.
All of a sudden it's allegedly turned Georgia into the "wild west." This hit job on the new law is advocacy journalism quoting all the usual suspects and very, very few others. I frankly don't buy it.
Let's now presume this story from the article is true
When Emelina Ramirez's roommates attacked her, punching and kicking her in the stomach, she called the police for help. The police handcuffed her, took her to jail and ran her fingerprints through a federal database. She is now in an Alabama cell awaiting deportation.
What happened to the attackers? I presume they are in jail or being deported. Let's not forget that they were punished (they were). Ms. Ramirez is an illegal alien. Yes, she's the victim of a crime and I have a great deal of sympathy for her and understand the catch 22, but they are here illegally. Oh, and the article does not mention that Ms. Ramirez was deported once and sneaked back in -- this time pregnant.
In all seriousness, I do hope the police will not target the victims of crime as well as the criminals in dealing with illegal aliens, but I'm not going to get too worked up about it if they do. As much as I have sympathy for the victims of crime in these and other cases, in these cases they are also criminals and if these stories translate beyond "don't talk to the police" to "the climate isn't right for us to sneak across the border anymore", oh well.
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Will they be advocating for release if, say, a rapist was beaten up? A Bank robber should get off because someone crashed into their car?
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in a literal sense but a Catch-22 to me usually denotes a sympathetic position. She used American Citizen tax paid policemen to save herself from a position she would not have been in had she not been here illegally. Again.
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Not much different from all the mortgage fraud/equity stripping victims. They are adults and should read the fine print before signing anything. Especially the "equity stripping" victims. Some investor came in and bailed them out of foreclosure(it happens when you don't pay your mortgage) for a price since nobody else will, and then they cry foul. We always need the big bad boogeyman picking on innocent people. It must sell papers.
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that there is a mindset amond liberals progressives that if an illegal alien is the victim of a crime that absolves them of having violated immigration law and they must be made a ward of the state.
John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course
For one reason I don't believe states should establish laws like this. Yes she is here illegally but she was just trying to live the American dream and now she is going to be deported because she was a victim of a crime. What will happen now is rapists and other evil criminals could stay on the streets because people are afraid they will be deported.
I here a lot about "Family Values" over the past few years and while I don't consider myself the best Christian I try hard to live by the Lords guidance. It seems to me that by reading the few posts just put here that people have forgot the simple but important things that are in Bible. Showing sympathy, helping people out who are in need, and other things is what makes my faith so important to me. The values we believe in does not end at "Abortion Rd." and "Gay Ln".
Erick while you may not agree with my on the illegal immigrant debate at least you show you have a soul and are concerned about others.
every foreign national who wants to live the America Dream should just come on over then, right? After all we need to be sympathetic to their needs, who are we to hold anything back from them.
Maybe they could stay home and demanded, demanded that their government clean up its corruption and actually worked to help its citizens improve their lives. But instead they come here, steal identities so they have your social security number to use, expect me to pay for their medical care, education, etc.
Sorry, if they are unhappy with no work in their country then stay and do the hard work of fixing it.
John
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She would not be deported because she was a victim of a crime. She would be deported for committing a crime that happened to be discovered while she was a victim.
What about if it was discovered that she was on the wanted list for bank robbery, would you want her let free because it was discovered while she was a victim of another crime?
Too bad, so sad. If you violate the law then you better stay under the radar.
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should first be based on a profound respect for our law. This was her second offense after being deported once before? I see no comprehension, and little respect of our laws being demonstrated. Her vision of the American dream was being built on a very shaky foundation, to say the least. Deportation is not prison, and not much of a penalty. Sympathy? Deportation, IMHO, should be considered a boon to the individual, restoring a person to their prior legal status in their own country.
Oh, and the article does not mention that Ms. Ramirez was deported once and sneaked back in -- this time pregnant.
Looks like she DID learn her lesson. She got pregnant before coming back. She's just a few months away from anchor baby status. Had her baby already been born, she wouldn't be facing deportation. Instead, they'd be signing her up for TANF, WIC, HUD, ESL classes, and community college (all at our expense mind you).
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I just noticed this. The article does not say why Ms. Ramirez was arrested. The way it reads, it leads me to believe they didn't know of her immigration status until after she was taken to jail. Since when do crime victims get arrested? Methinks she was arrested for something else the article doesn't mention.
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It really seems like we need to understand what's going on here.
Domestic abuse victims have been known to get violent with the police when they arrive to cart the attacker off. Although this case smells that something is missing in the story I think that we do have to be careful not to facilitate silencing witnesses against more serious crimes. In this case I do consider assault and battery to be a more serious crime than being in the country illegally.
witness a bank robbery and in the course of the investigation the cops find a outstanding warrant for fraud they are not going to let you walk free just because you can ID the bank robber's getaway car. Why should an immigration crime be any different? What is it about illegal aliens that makes perfectly rational people make irrational arguments?
John
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"What is it about illegal aliens that makes perfectly rational people make irrational arguments?"
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
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This was NOT her second offense of being deported before.
When she came into the country via Texas, she was apprehended and instructed to return for an Immigration Hearing in a month. She had continued on to Georgia and could not afford, financially to return to Texas to appear. A order of deportation was issued. Fast forward approx. 1 year....
She married a police officer from Carrollton, GA who, instead of obtaining an attorney and getting her legal status straightened out, held her status over her head, and was abusive towards her. He is the father of her youngest US born child. After about a year and a half of abuse, and aid from a womans shelter, she obtained a divorce from the abusive cop, and thanks to him, remains "undocumented". Fast forward another year....
She is attacked by 3 roommates, 2 women and one male. The police arrest her and one of the other women, and at the initial bond hearing, the judge lets the other women, who is hispanic, but speaks good english, out / off.
Emelina was remanded into the custody of ICE because when she was fingerprinted, the old existing order of deportation came up.
The truly sad part in all of this, is the chidren, 8 yr. old Wendy, and 3 yr. old Karla. They are the ones who are suffering the most.
Karlas' father has not paid child support in I don't know how long, nor has he made any attempt to see his daughter, and now the girls are without their mother because she was attacked and had Wendy call 911 and report it.
Yes, Emelina Ramirez Bojorquez is pregnant again, by a man that she met and truly made her happy, whole and complete for the first time since I've known her, but that is another story.
Emelina and her girls don't deserve this regardless of her Immigration Status. If her x-husband had of done the right thing, she would be legal, and what of her US Citizen daughter?
The kids world has already been ripped apart, their hearts torn out, they just want AND NEED their mother back.
i.e. come to the US legally in the first place, she would never have gotten into any part of this whole messy situation.
I'm sorry she got attacked.
I'm sorry her ex-husband was a scumbag while they were married.
I'm sorry her kids are suffering.
I'm not sorry she's being deported and she bloody well deserves to be.
"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction
have precisely what to do with the FACT that she is in this country illegally? Why does the sorry story of her life negate the FACT that she is violating US law?
Are you under the impression that not being able to make the payments on your Porsche will stop a judge from sending you to the slammer if you knock over a 7-11?
John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course
Most of the information regarding Emelina can be found here:
> http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/JUN/complaint14800.cfm and
> by following the links
> at the bottom of the complaint. You may also get info from:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-deport29jul29,1,147... ,
> http://www.atlantalatino.com/detail.php?id=7732 ,
> http://www.cbs46.com:80/video/13560651/index.html ,
> http://www.mundohispanico.com/locales/content/locales/articulos/0705_art...
some police officers are checking their status during misdemeanor arrests. Is that forbidden in the law? The law provides that officers SHALL check for felony arrests, but is there some other law that would otherwise cause an immigrant's status to be checked and the immigrant deported?
Nice job of outing another utterly disgusting piece of open borders propaganda pretending to be a news story.
"We spent months building up trust," he said, "and now we've got to start all over again."
I’m sorry, Mr. Pellegrino, you didn’t build up MY trust. I have absolutely no trust at all.
I DEFINITELY have a sympathy deficit.
If they don't report a crime because they are illegal, then TOUGH BEANS. It happens here in the USA every day. . . criminals not reporting crimes against their person because they would be found out. TOUGH BEANS.
This hooey that illegals are victims is absolutely and beyond ridiculous.
This was NOT her second offense of being deported before.
When she came into the country via Texas, she was apprehended and instructed to return for an Immigration Hearing in a month. She had continued on to Georgia and could not afford, financially to return to Texas to appear. A order of deportation was issued. Fast forward approx. 1 year....
She married a police officer from Carrollton, GA who, instead of obtaining an attorney and getting her legal status straightened out, held her status over her head, and was abusive towards her. He is the father of her youngest US born child. After about a year and a half of abuse, and aid from a womans shelter, she obtained a divorce from the abusive cop, and thanks to him, remains "undocumented". Fast forward another year....
She is attacked by 3 roommates, 2 women and one male. The police arrest her and one of the other women, and at the initial bond hearing, the judge lets the other women, who is hispanic, but speaks good english, out / off.
Emelina was remanded into the custody of ICE because when she was fingerprinted, the old existing order of deportation came up.
The truly sad part in all of this, is the chidren, 8 yr. old Wendy, and 3 yr. old Karla. They are the ones who are suffering the most.
Karlas' father has not paid child support in I don't know how long, nor has he made any attempt to see his daughter, and now the girls are without their mother because she was attacked and had Wendy call 911 and report it.
Yes, Emelina is pregnant again, by a man that she met and truly made her happy, whole and complete for the first time since I've known her, but that is another story.
Emelina and her girls don't deserve this regardless of her Immigration Status. If her x-husband had of done the right thing, she would be legal, and what of her US Citizen daughter?
The kids world has already been ripped apart, their hearts torn out, they just want AND NEED their mother back.
to their mother.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
US Constitution / 14th Amendment: “…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Also note that Under the new Georgia law SB 529, it requires that a person booked into jail on a felony or DUI charge be verified for lawful status in the United States. Emelina was not booked on a felony, she was booked on domestic violence. Also, Immigration and Customs Enforcement will put a hold, not to extend beyond 48-hours, on any person of interest, but Emelina was held for 2 weeks in Carrollton before ICE took custody and moved her to Alabama.
She wasn't necessarily a violent criminal, but a criminal nonetheless.
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