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1. The only "reasonable" bill will be one that is "enforcement only."

The federal government has absolutely 0 credibility on the issue of border security and this will continue to be reality in the minds of those of us concerned with border security until the government actually begins to enforce its own laws.

Where is the rest of that wall again?

Let's have a moratorium on any idiot Republican even breathing the words "immigration" and " reform" for a period of five years, at which time we will make a realistic assesment of our border security and implement reforms to our immigration system as needed.

The government must first prove its good faith in enforcing the borders and maybe with Bush out of office it could actually happen.

2. "Securing the border" is a concept easily grasped by most 2nd grade boys building forts to keep the girls out, but it's a horrifically difficult political ordeal for the federal government of the most prosperous and militarily powerful nation on earth.

The problem of course is that open borders leftists share the same distaste for borders as our capitalist captains of industry. The concept of national sovereignty is a roadblock for their various leftist and capitalist utopian schemes. This won't change anytime soon and there will always be tension between these groups and conservatives that seek to protect our sovereignty and the concepts on which this nation was founded.

The only solution is to tell the unwashed college professoriate and anti-patriotic, money obssessed capitalists to STFU and GTFO. Meet their asinine utopianism and Ayn Rand worship with scorn and derision....and above all else, make a stand against their slow selling out of this nation.

3. Employee verification can happen well before doing anything to legalize (through amnesty) the 12-15 million lawbreakers in this country. A process of attrition will weed out lots of "Bojangles" and "Wal-Mart" workers who will then be replaced with Americans that might not want to be paid minimum wage.

So be it. Ill pay a little more for that bag of chips at the supermarket to save some on the taxes I will pay to give these illegals' kids a "free education" or house their big brothers in our state penitentiary system.

4. Issuing a federal ID card is an idea whose time has come. Its time to tell the lefties and radical libertarians to shut up and take this "horrifying" intrusion into their "privacy" for the sake of having a sane national security policy.

5. Taxing illegals isn't quite as satisfying as deporting them.

6. What makes you think the US can enforce any rules you decide are necessary? Have you been to the DMV? How exactly do you plan to test the english proficiency of 12-15 million people?

Reduce our pool of illegals through attrition and pass a moratorium on ALL immigration for 15-25 years to give the legal immigrants now in country time to assimilate. There is no other sane solution.

7. I have no idea what you mean here.

You are deluding yourself if you think that there is a WASPy small-government minded conservative lurking in each third worlder that hops our border. Look at the governments of EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY south of our border and you will see a far-left picture develop pretty fast.

We need to regulate our borders NOW and refuse to give in to these detestable cretins like Lindsey Graham, John Kyl, John McCain and Arlen Specter. We may ultimately extend some form of amnesty to some of these illegals (the ones we don't catch for instance) but the numbers should be far less than what we currently have at the estimated 12-15 million number.

We need a moratorium on LEGAL immigration so that the vast number of immigrants already here can assimilate into our society.

We need to stop George W. Bush in his asinine quest to have something other than the Iraq war be his political legacy. As I'm not a frequent guest of the Bushes at their Kennebunkport digs, I could really care less about GW's political legacy, im more concerned with what will happen to this country 80 million third worlders from now.

Hmm.

Run like Reagan!

Kind of irrelevant. He needs the base to get reelected. He's not going to be winning Minneapolis, St. Paul, or Duluth over no matter what he does.

I don't know how much he can get away with before he starts to lose chunks of the base. This hasn't exactly been the only issue that he's been off the reservation on. It wouldn't take much to cost him the election.

Anyway, based on the polling, this bill is not popular with conservatives, liberals, or moderates... so it would be foolish for him to support the bill, even if he isn't aiming to please the base.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

I think for most people, who are not hardcore conservatives, their opposition is a mile wide and about half-an-inch deep. A year after this immigration compromise bill passes, if it does pass, people will look back at this like the run up to Y2K. What the heck was all the hysteria about?

price tag and everyone's taxes are raised to support 'our new guests'.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

I think that the polls are showing that the vast majority of americans are rightly concerned with the effect of the mass immigration of millions of third-worlders on our nation (as it currently exists.)

I think these polls also rightly show that the american people aren't quite as stupid as the political establishment believes they are. We fully recognize the fact that these illegals will be given an overnight amnesty and will be forgiven to various degrees of any back taxes any normal citizen would owe.

I think that there are plenty of dishonest open-borders advocates and big business toadies that are willing to come into forums like this one and claim that we will never notice the 80 million new "american citizens" that will result from this asinine bill.

but do you want to clarify the significance of the title of your response, "liar"?

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

"I think for most people, who are not hardcore conservatives, their opposition is a mile wide and about half-an-inch deep. A year after this immigration compromise bill passes, if it does pass, people will look back at this like the run up to Y2K. What the heck was all the hysteria about?"

This is a lie. Hence, the poster is a liar.

Between being mistaken and being a liar.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

glad you cleared that up.

I'm sure there are a lot of places out there where this is acceptable. Unfortunately you aren't in one of them right now.

I need an apology for this, contrite and heartfelt. If that's too much consider your account pulled.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Very well then. I will concede that the original poster I was replying to might be mistaken in his assumptions and not just trolling for the pro-amnesty crowd as I originally assumed.

My apologies to the poster if he was offended at my accusation.

but I was.

To allay your worries the poster you slammed has been at RedState for nearly 3 years. Compare that with your own 2 weeks, 6 days.

He's not a troll. We don't know about you.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling