Michael Savage Disgusts Me
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To improve his ratings now that he doesn't have the immigration bill to kick around, Michael Savage is showing the severed heads of American soldiers on the front page of his website.
You read that right: the severed heads of American soldiers being held by the terrorists who decapitated them.
There is a poll, which you can find here, on his website, where you can vote to say he should take them down.
However tempted you may be, you should not.
Michael Savage is attempting to use the heads of American soldiers to boost his ratings. He claims, I'm sure, that we need to see the despicable acts to be reminded who our enemy is. I think we need reminders of the enemy, but I think the commercialization and popularization of dead American soldiers only serves to feed the enemy in hopes of adding more heads to their pikes. It also dishonors and disrespects the men and women in harms way.
This disgusts me.
It is my hope that this will be the last time Michael Savage's name ever appears on our front page. In my mind, he is not welcome here in person or in name.
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"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
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Savage has his shtick and it plays well with a niche audience. Erick is right, in that it's about the ratings. Shock is an easy way to do it, but I can live with that.
But not with this.
Things like this just prove it.
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Savage is one of those guys that does and say what he thinks will get him the most attention. He is definitely not a conservative.
Anyone who didn't already know that this is what the enemy, the Islamofascists, are doing to our soldiers and wish to do to each and every one of us (including women and children), is either ignorant or stupid or both. There's no need to show the pictures. But one has to question whether videos and pictures, such as those about Daniel Pearl and Nicholas Berg, should be with-held for the sake of decency, or whether we have a more difficult objective that has to be obtained through showing the grim realities of what we face. That's what Savage wants to get at, but this isn't necessary.
I personally fear that there are a lot of Americans who, upon seeing images like that, either would a) blame George W. Bush first for causing Islam to hate us, or b) be surprised that people could be so cruel. How soon we forget 9/11.
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...prevent me from voicing my opinion of Savage even prior to this latest incident.
Now?
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Erick, while the posting of the picture may disgust you and is in bad taste, this may be what it takes to wake the citizens of this nation up. The American citizenry has dozed off and has forgotten what we are fighting for.
Our world and the War our nation's military is fighting is not a sanitized war that you obviously want to think is taking place. Disgusting incidents are normal in violent wars. Trying to cover up the reality of it has put the United States asleep at the wheel.
So, the ample images available of the realities of war aren't enough for you? Hearing about someone from your hometown killed in action isn't enough for you? Maybe, if you're real unlucky, having a loved one wounded or killed, that's not enough? You really think America needs to see severed heads to remember that there's a war going on?
If America's that disconnected from reality, then no amount of grotesque imagery is going to change things.
Asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king, Demaratos is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all."
but that's a fairy tale - there aren't enough people on the fence that showing them severed heads will rally them to the defense of the nation against Islamofascism.
Savage is doing what he always does - shock for attention. It's about him, not about the country; in fact, he makes defending the country more difficult with the absurd, inflammatory way he chooses to communicate.
You couldn't find one person that wouldn't "say" they are shocked and motivated to protect our country. Our country is very divided. There is lots of lipservice given and no action. The elite left has declared defeat. Actions speak louder than words and actions tell me that there are tens of millions in denial in this country.
Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite
It certainly violates the 'normal' practice of newspapers and TV to protect the 'sensitivities' of their readers and viewers. But somewhere behind Savage's madness is a tactic to bring the atrocities perpetrated by our enemies back to the front pages. Not necessarily that those pictures should be on the front page, but a discussion of them, and the proper comparison of them and the pictures of 'torture' from Abu Ghraib could do us all some good from the standpoint of perpective, at least.
This is especially true when we know that the media love to get that quote from John McCain that "We shouldn't use 'coercive interrogation techniques' on key al Qaeda prisoners because then al Qaeda will torture us." It kinda points up the fallacy of that logic when the outright barbarism of al Qaeda (which isn't a signatory to the Geneva Convention, nor does it treat its prisoners humanely under any circumstances because they KNOW they may be killed at any time) is put up against some Abu Ghraib prisoners naked or wearing panties on their heads.
As a Viet Nam veteran, I am sensitive to the arguments that McCain makes, but I reject them because the real, verifiable, observable world DEMONSTRATES that he's factually wrong, and he's forgotten the fact that he, himself, was tortured, but it wasn't because the prisoners of the US during the Viet Nam war were tortured first. It was just the way the North Vietnames did business then, and it's the way al Quaeda does business today. What we do is irrelevant to their actions.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
I suppose the above comments prove this is a Republican site and not a conservative one like I originally thought. To become so angry over Savage showing what the media refuses to show (that included Fox News)and what we're up against but not to question what we're still doing over there after four years, seems rather shallow to me to say the least
outrage over the use by Savage of images of dead soldiers to drum up publicity and web traffic is wholly deserved. What would be "unconservative" would be to suffer stupidity like this for no other reason than that their author shared a supposed ideological affinity.
"the above comments prove this is a [human] site and not a [exploitative, sick piece-of-****] one like I originally thought."
Because that's the only explanation for the absolute appalling sickness of what the POS Savage has done here.
Sorry, "Theenormityofitall," but I think that you're waaaaaaaaay off base here. And yes, I've seen this stuff in person, if that makes any difference to you - both as a military member there in '03 and as an embedded journalist in '07 - and I think that this is so far beyond the pale it is indescribable.
Nobody is forcing you nor anyone else to see the pics...I haven't seen them myself but photos on a website is such a petty issue when compared to what's going on in this country nowadays and the rest of the world.
severed head of someone's son, husband, father, brother and friend, advanced for no obvious benefit but controversy and website traffic, are not a "petty issue."
Those heads belonged to human beings, people with families and friends. I sure wouldn't want to see anyone I knew being used like that.
Asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king, Demaratos is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all."
Nobody is "forcing" anybody to look at them. But, Savage consistently says, prints, and does, things on the far ends (doesn't matter which end) that he thinks will bring money to him.
He is always thinking only to himself and looking to drive his numbers up no matter what he has to say or write.
There's no reason to post those pictures. They are not from the recent kidnapping/murder but from 1-2 years ago. Why is he posting them now? Drive traffic to his site?
At the very least it's disrespectful to the soldiers and their families.
It doesn't take 'courage' and it's not 'gutsy journalism' posting those photos. Instead, it plays into the hands of the terrorists - publicizing their horror - just like they want done.
Unfortunately, I've seen similar in terror killings in Bosnia and Africa.
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The other day in Kansas, a young woman (18 years old) was abducted outside a Target department store. Her body was found several days later; the ME there indicated that she had been strangled with some sort of ligature.
Violent crime is a huge problem, of course, and one that we must confront head on. People are kidnapped, violated, and murdered every single day right here in the USA.
As such, my question to you is this: Should the crime scene and autopsy photos of this young woman's body be released? You know, with the ligature marks, bruises, etc. in full view of a voyeuristic public? I mean, after all, violent crime is something "we're up against" as well.
I would think that you'd have no problem whatsoever with releasing those photos, given that you have no problem with the photos savage has posted, right?
Actually, it's a faulty analogy. No one is disputing the need to track down and stop murderers of young women in this country. We don't need to persuade people that such murders are happening or that the people who commit those murders are evil.
However, there is a significant portion of the population who believe that this is a "bumper sticker war," or that all the evil acts of this war are being perpetrated by our evil soldiers at our evil president's behest, or that there is in fact no war on terrorism at all.
The very same group that thinks that this is a "bumper sticker war" also believe that the death penalty is unjust.
regarding Princess Diana's accident aftermath photos. It reminded me of the release of the JFK autopsy photos, which turned out to be about what anyone would expect to see on an autopsy table and didn't serve any real informative purpose for the public at large.
This guy is revolting and disgusting. I caught a brief snippet of his radio show yesterday, and I felt sick to here someone with that kind of a public platform spouting his bile and filth. His defense was that he did not specifically identify the soldiers in the picture. But he knows full well that there have been precious few American soldiers who have fallen into the hands of the enemy in Iraq, and most have met with a similar fate. The families of every American serviceman who has died in captivity will look at that and say to themselves, "My God, I wonder if that was my boy!"
This is wrong, utterly wrong. That man should have his show yanked for this. If you can get fired for saying "nappy headed h*s" on the air, you should certainly be fired for this.
A precedent embalms a principle.
- Disraeli
Out of curiosity, can you tell me what it was about his public platform that irked you so?
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Savage is neither a conservative or liberal. He is somebody on the radio trying to raise money no matter what he has to say or write. He has no principles.
His "platform" is his radio show. It irks me that somebody like that even has one. Of course, given the 1st Amendment there's nothing I can do about that, but I don't have to like it.
A precedent embalms a principle.
- Disraeli
Re Erick's post 12:37 6/7.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
One of my favorite quotes: "people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy".
This qualifies in my book as a "dramatic example". And I'm GLAD he did it.
CLEARLY Savage thinks (as I do) that we need to be reminded about this war. Daily.
I don't know what's worse: people on this site being "disgusted" over these photos (REGARDLESS of when it happened...it actually happened), or Dems trying to act like they never happened at all.
Those of you in the former part of the above sentence need to WAKE UP.
All I hear is a lot of talk. Talk, talk, talk. We've had enough talk.
It's time for more "dramatic examples", if you ask me.
And as for Erick's "holier than thou" post about Savage, I'm in radio, and he's one of the few that I'll actually defend, being a part of the MSM. Get over yourself. Most "broadcasters" are pigs.
Have you ever really LISTENED to Mr. Savage? And I don't mean passively, I mean intently. He does to Liberals what Air America (and the MSM) does to Conservatives on a daily basis. I think you'd be happy about that. Guess not.
It really is stunning that he's still on the air...most like him are hunted down and silenced early on. Trust me, I've seen it.
Before I'm viciously attacked by my alleged "brothers", here's a mini-bio:
I was USAF for 7+ years, did a tour in the Middle East, and don't need to see any more reasons to fight this war that I haven't already seen in person. So, yes, I DO know what I'm talking about.
Keep fighting, Michael Savage.
And, other than your description of service, which deserves respect, the rest of your comment isn't even worth the effort of description.
Sorry, man, but if you'd ever been on the front lines and had buddies wind up like that, you'd probably feel differently (and think that anybody who said what you did above was a fool), as well.
He's not wrong. You are. These pictures should be shown on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC as many times as I've had to watch that picture of Paris crying in that police car. People know about this war? Why is it then that the majority of the people thing that we are creating terrorists by our actions?
Because they don't know crap.
They're already posted on arabic websites? Yeah, and how many Americans go read arabic websites? They don't. Instead, we had to endure month after month of Abu Ghareb pictures with Islamofascists with underwear on our head while the Media tells the world that we're the torturers.
It's bread and circuses. It's Nero fiddling while Rome burns. They should be shown, then shown again, then the speeches of Ahmadinijad should be shown, then the Imam's that show us how to properly beat our wives should be shown, then the kindergartners holding ak-47's vowing to commit martyrdom by blowing up Jews should be shown, the beheading of Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl, Olin Eugene Armstrong, Kim Sun-Il, should be shown and shown again. The link between Islam and the massacre at Virginia Tech should not be hidden.
Presidential candidates can get away with calling this war a bumper sticker because the media cooperates with keeping America's head in the sand.
Ahmadinijad promising the destruction of America and Israel should be shown, again and again and again and again.
Instead, we get Paris Hilton, we get called torturers for throwing Koran's in the toilet, when that is exactly where it belongs.
If you do not understand the death cult that's coming, you need to keep looking at those pictures...
I'm sorry for the families of our heroes that were tortured and beheaded. They were fighting to keep the same thing from happening to all of us. The world should have to face the horrors that they went through, not have it sanitized because you don't want to put the families through it.
You don't want to put families through it, the media doesn't want to put the country through it, and the outcome is us fighting amongst ourselves while a very real and very determined enemy plots to kill or convert us all.
I'm glad Erick feel contempt for Savage. I feel contempt for Erick (whoever the hell he is.) I'll side with Savage thanks, and not participate in the country's delusion that terrorists are just the disgruntled few, rather then face the truth that we are fighting an ideology that pervades the islamic world and is straight out of the Koran and the Surahs. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not done even the slightest study of Islam.
Pick up a Koran, read the FIRST page. Then tell me it's a religion that tolerates others. Read more and learn just how they deal with people that don't believe as they do.
But you're simply wrong; people cannot be bludgeoned into agreeing with you, and that's what Savage is attempting.
It won't work:
* Those who want to fight the good fight don't need convincing.
* Those who don't will just get one more reason to surrender ("If it wasn't for Bush, this wouldn't happen," yadda yadda yadda).
* Those who are confused or uncertain .... Well, I mean, really, what sort of intellect is "confused or uncertain" after everything we've seen - even without seeing these pictures?
Don't dress this up as "Savage being a patriot" - he's a radio talk show host, and as Limbaugh has said about his own program, Savage's goal is to get & hold as big an audience as he can so the show can charge confiscatory advertising rates.
Michael Savage does an excellent job informing us of the threats we face in this country.
He is blunt and a bit crude regularly, but what he says is sincere and has great depth - I revere this about him.
One must look beyond the brusqueness of character, speech and graphics on his website. None of us is perfect. After one spends a few hours listening to his show, it is clear that he truly has America's best interest at heart. I am a regular listener. While you assume he has asked for this poll because he wants to boost his ratings, I believe you are misreading his intentions. What leads you to think his poll is a ploy to boost ratings? I believe he sincerely wants to know the thoughts of his listeners. He said he will remove the photos if the listeners want him to. I myself have emailed him a week ago asking that the picture be taken off the site. I agree that the pictures are unpleasant. I believe he is seeing this issue through a different lens, and his motive is to help Americans see what we are up against.
Sometimes in our passionate good intentions we offend people, even when our intentions are sincere and well meant. Michael Savage is a GOOD GUY, he is not the slick polished republican. He does not have the upbringing of a groomed conservative, he was a liberal and has converted to conservatism. We need him, he was once on the dark side and knows the territory we are fighting. We need his good efforts to bark at those trying to destroy our country. He is courageous and I admire that. He has many enemies who wish to take his show down. Try to look at the good he has done and continues to do. I think that you should invite him for an interview, discuss your concern with him, discuss his strong fight against the amnesty bill. Let's try to look at the good in Michael Savage.
I highly recommend that all conservatives listen regularly to Michael Savage - you will agree, he is a friend to conservatism. He has done some good things and we are fortunate to have his voice out there. Let's look beyond a few offenses. We all make mistakes.
what Air America (and the MSM) does to Conservatives on a daily basis."
Is that supposed to be a good thing?
There is no easy way to properly sanitize war. These are our men who are fighting and dying to protect us. We need to understand what can happen. If that is too much for people to handle, then they need to take a stance against the war and formally invite the Islamists to come over on over again.
Those disgusting images reminded me what we're up against, and reminded me that there's no peace with this enemy, only victory or death. The thought that those mutilated corpses are OUR soldiers is physically disturbing to say the least. I wish I wouldn't have to see them, but you see our People are not at war, only our military is. Our People need to be in this war. All of them, or least the great majority. I don't know how to get them in this thing. I don't know if Congress needs to formally declare war, or if we need a sanctioned propaganda effort, or conscription. But we need something. I think Savage perhaps is trying to provide that something.
For those here who are against putting these photos on a website, what would YOU suggest we do to get this nation into the Long War?
By the way, I think it's a little cheap to accuse Savage of doing this purely for ratings. You need to back that up. Disclaimer: I am not a Savage listener. I've never heard the guy. Can't say I have an interest in listening to him.)
"The pain inflicted by your country's indifference is tenfold that inflicted by your ruthless captors."
Rep Sam Johnson on the House floor commenting on his experience as a Vietnam POW
if not for web traffic? The pictures have been available on various Islamic websites - there's nothing new, no new information regarding the event. Publishing them now just aids the terrorists by giving them the publicity they seek.. I guess you would also support showing pictures of every decapitated teenager involved in an automobile accident victim, to make the point to drive safe?
Savage is similar to the DU folks or Cindy Sheehan. Screechers who contribute nothing positive to finding solutions or intelligent discourse - but howl mindlessly into the night, transfixed by the volume of their voice.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
When I was in high school driver's ed we were shown a movie called Red Asphalt (I believe) which showed mangled corpses due to poor driving. I've never forgotten how the face of one body was sliced from its head, flopping off as the body was pulled from the wreck. Horrific, but isn't it important to understand the true risk of auto accidents? Aren't we otherwise insulated from the sheer violence and carnage of an auto accident? (I wonder if they warn today's youth in a similar fashion. If it saved a life, would it be worth it?) I knew a guy who was in an auto wreck and lived, and his face was a scarred mess. Can't say I've ever met anyone since who was that effed up.
By the way I hardly think the terrorists need any more publicity. I think we've heard plenty about them. I've heard comparatively little dedication to killing each and every one of them.
"The pain inflicted by your country's indifference is tenfold that inflicted by your ruthless captors."
Rep Sam Johnson on the House floor commenting on his experience as a Vietnam POW
When Ann Coulter gets up and slurs somebody in a vicious and inappropriate way, her defenders get up and say we need to lay off. If only we'd read her books, they say, we'd understand and all would be well.
Now when Michael Savage gets up and uses the suffering of our volunteers and their families to promote his website, his defenders get up and say we need to lay off. If only we'd listen to his show, they say, we'd understand and all would be well.
Cast them out, I say. Let our side remain civil and humane. Let our side respect those boundaries that the left has discarded.
Run like Reagan!
It's so vile I can't yet accept that as truth. I don't know this Savage guy from a hole in the head, but is there some argument that this is his game? It's otherwise hard to believe anyone would be so daft and low, honestly.
"The pain inflicted by your country's indifference is tenfold that inflicted by your ruthless captors."
Rep Sam Johnson on the House floor commenting on his experience as a Vietnam POW
he's seemed to me to be sort of like "My Cousin Vinnie," without the charm.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
There is no comparison between him and Coulter.
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Ann may be inappropriate (and, come on, who was the genius who thought of inviting her to the RNC?), but she actually believes and seems to live by what she says.
Way to go Savage. At least someone is willing to show the world what our very best are up against.
The real outrage should be directed at Bush, while are boys are being beheaded and torched by these monsters, bush is passing out manuals on how to handle them with respect, as to not humiliate them or their “religion”. I voted for Bush twice, but as far as I'm concerned, every soldier that has died since the actual war ended is blood on his hands. How can he sleep at night, making our boys fight and die on the ground, when our Air Force could have ended this a long time ago from the air.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Bush's response to Iran picking off two or three of our soldiers everyday is "Immigration Reform". It's too bad the Democrats figured out that leaving Bush in office (vs. impeaching him) is a benefit to them.
Finally, just because you disagree with his decision to post these pictures, that shouldn't negate all Savage does on their behalf! Every time our soldiers are in need, it's Michael Savage who is the first to raise money and scream for their cause……and that shouldn’t be overlooked or forgotten!
Responding without actually saying anything. Quite an achievement!
You never did specify where I was "wrong on all accounts", Mr. Emanuel. Care to elaborate? On ANYTHING?
Or are you "too cool for the room"?
These pictures are a year or more old; were they current that would be one thing but they're not. They're being reposted without the permission of the soldier's loved ones, who are probably finally coming to grips with their loss, to drum up ratings or, to be charitable, to advance a point of view.
...neither is negotiable and you are not in a position to make me care about your objections.
Moe
PS: Regarding 'faux disgust': if you can't or won't believe that we mean what we write, well, it's a big internet. I'm sure that you'll find yourself a home somewhere.
Nope, still not caring if you object.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
don't take instruction well. I would make a Gary Sheffield joke here, but it would probably be in poor taste.
"No. He's not" is not a very effective response, not to mentions that it's completely and incompetently wrong. How many times has Savage raised money for the legal defenses of soldiers used as PR for the Bush Admin? How many times has he donated money from the sales of his books? And most importantly, he's the loudest and usually the only voice on talk radio that consistently screams about the well being of our soldiers. Don't get me wrong, others like Hannity do great things for our troops, but they don't hold Bush's feet to the fire for making our troops fight with two hands tied behind their backs!!!!
I'm not going to say that it was great judgement on his part. But it strikes me as odd that people are more outraged at Savage for posting the photos, than of what the photos depict! Maybe you people should look at them again and then ask yourselves why your first instict wasn't to be enraged by what happen to these fine men!
But, please: don't think of it as being tossed from the site, sadiq. Just think of it as evolution in action.
Blam.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
but that was before your received the BLAM! Mercy, you have to be a bit disgusting to think that it is okay to show those pictures on the internet - but after reading your comments, I understand (you're a bit nuts). You have mental problems... Hope you get well soon.
I was going to say something about Moe's "quick to BLAM" habits, but boy was he justified here...so, my bad.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
...please explicitly confirm that your comments above re 'religion' are not meant to be taken as referring to Islam as a whole, but are specifically targeted towards the radical apostates that are using said faith as an excuse to indulge their depravity.
Do that in your next post, please.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
...for religious bigotry - particularly when it involves the faith of friends and blogging colleagues - I like to be sure.
Moe
PS: Almost forgot! While we're on the subject:
Blam.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I thought his comments on the internet display was enough! Now you disappoint me... Oh well...(still the quickest on RedState)! Heh... (Only a little bit of sarcasm here).
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
I think that while Michael Savage certainly can be a jacka$& this episode does not demonstrates those tendencies.
If you put the pictures that he is showing in context (US Soldiers beheaded by subhuman enemy) there is little doubt that Savage is doing this to express his disgust and hatred of terrorists.
I agree that he should take them down because despite his efforts to expose how vile the enemy is this is extraordinarily tasteless, but I don't see his actions as malicious.
He could better demonstrate the monstrosity of Islamic Terrorists by showing their torture manual recently published by The Smoking Gun. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html)
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The price of freedom, . . . courage.
He should never have done it without the families' permission, which I am sure they would never give. Can you imagine what it did to them when they found out about this?
Savage is no better than the terrorists who perpetrated this crime, displaying murdered soldiers for advertising and propaganda. He has crossed the line so far it goes beyond the pale. . .
For the same reason I am totally against the media showing pictures of flag draped coffins, I am against what Savage did.
There can be no more sacred or intimate moment in Life than when a fallen soldier comes home to the loving arms of his family, his coffin draped in the flag of the country he loved. Once any soldier has given his last full measure of devotion, he no longer belongs to us, he belongs only to his god and his family.
I'll depart from the RedState crowd in saying that "Savage is no better than the terrorist who perpetrated this crime" is a gross exaggeration.
Sure Savage is a tool, and should be ignored as best he can by any major media figures, but to compare him to the terrorists is pretty weak. Sure he's cowardly in that fashion, but he's not nearly as evil.
You're going to "depart from the RedState crowd in saying that "Savage is no better than the terrorist who perpetrated this crime" is a gross exaggeration"? The only person I can find who said that was someone who's been a member for just over a day.
That's hardly "the RedState crowd." I'd say the rest of our folks know far better than to say Savage is the same as the terrorists.
He is a pathetic little man who makes a living off the extremes. Not a terrorist, though.
He said it, but you fived it. I didn't mean depart like leave. I meant it like I disagree. Words are always much less precise when one's had a few beers on a Friday evening.
I certainly don't think that you or anyone else here whom I respect believes that they're equivalent. It just sort of looked that way.
You make a good point. I must have selectively ignored that line in the above comment before agreeing.
You're correct, I'm wrong -- and what's more, I agree with you more than myself. How 'bout them apples? ;-)
Don't get too carried away here. You'll only serve to build the ego, and that's not really necessary.
Go ahead. Lie there and get bludgeoned to death. That's what happens when you try to be "civil" to an enemy, as what I'm seeing here.
I knew I'd be attacked...I didn't think it would be from people who are so condescending.
If this is the dominant attitude of the party that (I thought) was "tough on defense", then we deserve to lose.
"We can't do ____", "we must allow our enemies to ____". Fill in the ___ with the rhetoric du jour...while we must continue to fight with one hand tied behind us. PATHETIC.
Gee...I guess it's ok to show pictures of an aborted fetus to battle abortion, right?
are almost to a man veterans. Perhaps the notion that the man whose severed head is featured in the photograph is someone else's battle buddy, someone's subordinate or superior, not to mention brother/husband/father/son, reminds us that we have friends and family in harm's way and should the unthinkable happen we would not want them exploited for political or financial gain.
If you start a radio talk show I'll listen to you, and Michael Savage. Maybe consider a podcast. Post the link.
"just doing it for higher ratings" at anybody for anything. It's a legitimate charge if the accused is doing something unnatural for him, but Savage seems to thrive in being deliberately antagonistic, so it doesn't fit here.
We don't get his radio program here, but when I have heard him, he has always been outspoken, bombastic, and generally not PC. I do remember that he was the first person I ever heard use the term "Islamofascist," and I think he took some heat for that, but he made the point that we were not just dealing with criminals or political fanatics, but with religious fanatics whose political agenda focused on the elimination of religious freedom for anyone but Wahabists.
As for the pictures, are you recommending that we do not vote to have the pictures removed because it will increase his ratings and therefore serve his purposes?
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
It's because of this same logic that we can't see video of 9/11 anymore; when in fact, it should be shown everyday until the War On Terror has been won.
Wake up folks, that's all Savage is trying to do, wake up America to who our enemy is and what they are capable of. It would be nice to know who they are, wouldn't it, since there are about 40,000 of them sleeping among us.
Disagree, that's great. But don't villainize a man who no doubt loves our Soldiers.
A moderator just told you to do something. Do it. Now.
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[When we tell people like you to leave, you leave. You certainly don't cut and paste articles about polls of Muslims without proper attribution, either.]
[Now scram. - Moe Lane]
I've tuned in the radio and found him on before, but I never could understand what message(s) he was trying to convey on his shows. He incessantly jumps from one thought to another totally unrelated one with no transition or preview. I often feel like I'm listening to a bunch of jumbled words or phrases that don't connect to any central idea. What little I could hear, I never could tell when he is serious and when he's trying to be humorous. He also screams too much and had a very angry tone that turns me off. Given his attitude towards his callers, I would be afraid to so much as say hello to him.
I doubt his tactic will change public opinion. I could be mistaken, but I am pretty sure this the same thing those opposed to the war in Iraq use to drum up support for getting all the troops out of Iraq and blaming Bush for putting them there in the first place.
Putting our fallen soldiers on display, using them as a cheap form of advertising and self-promotion, degrades anything Savage claims to defend. If he cannot treat our finest men and women with honor, then there is no one he will not dishonor. Savage may argue that he is doing it to shock Americans into seeing how vile our enemy is, but the the underlying truth is he's grabbing the big bucks and defiling the men and women who defend us.
Savage is definitely a mixed bag. His basic beliefs "borders, language, culture" are right on. Yes, he can be overbearing and controversial but he does say things that need to be said. I believe his motives are both helpful saying and showing things we need to hear/see and also shock value for publicity, which is a negative. But what newscast, radio isn't out for ratings? Every single one of them. Most of the MSM is intentionally NOT showing anything to cover up the suffrage of Americans. They go out of their way to show anything but go out of their way to show many anti-American photos/video/stories. This is a disservice to America. Either we have free speech and are adult enough to view BOTH sides or we aren't.
For every reason I think showing photos like that is wrong I think the media not showing 9/11 footage is wrong. MSM says it's too painful and graphic not to show it but they will find every reason to show Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib with warnings. That bias pisses me off.
I totally understand getting input from the victims families. I would think there would be some families who would want the photos to be shown, others not. My little sister was murdered years ago so I know what families who lost loved ones are going through.
I visited Auschwitz and Birkenau. Talk about powerful moving stuff. I found out Israel requires its youth to visit those camps as well. While I was there I saw several Israeli youth groups touring there. In the various exhibits there are piles of human hair harvested. Piles of gold teeth harvested. Piles of suitcases with peoples' names on them. Piles of shoes. Piles of eye glasses. Piles of prosthetics harvested. Hundreds of explicit photos documenting the torture that went on. I admire Israel for doing that. Is Israel perpetuating the hate or is it remaining true to its heritage and suffrage hoping to avoid the catastrophe in the future? I say it is a important part to their future.
If Savage isn't doing it right then we need to find a way to do it right. 9/11 footage and the crimes committed against our soldiers should be available for those who want to see it.
It ticks me off that America falls all over ourselves making excuses not to relive our torture and what our soldiers are up against. There is some fine line to stick to but not showing the horror is not the answer. Many want to forget what happened. That is wrong. Most of us here take it upon ourselves to stay active in support of our country. It is a no brainer for the average Red Stater. I think most other Americans need to be reminded of the real threat and horror that we are up against. For every one of us there are 10's or 100's of appeasers or people that don't want to acknowledge the threats and torture our people endure.
I don't know the answer but it lies somewhere in between heck yeah and heck no.
Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite
Thanks Flag. I think it was about 3am after 10 redbull vodkas.
Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite
combination spelling/syntax/grammar-checker. We could all use one of those.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
I have a son who is a soldier, should he die, I would not like to see his slain image used as a symbol against his own country. Nor would I choose to see his image used as a justification for the war effort.
However, in defense of Michael Savage, his website and radio show is a direct mirror of the forceful misinformation that America has been subjected to by the left. Extremism on the left, ultimately results in acts of extremism on the right.
Savage seems to be one of the only forceful defenders of individuals who have suffered at the hands of an enemy who knows no humane boundaries. Since the popular press will not condemn terrorists, it is left to individuals like Michael Savage to use what tools are available to enable the rest of the world to see what these animals have committed against innocent people.
Both you and Savage are indignant about the current state of affairs in this country.
Criticize each other, but continue to support the cause. I support you both, and please don't make me choose.
Our enemies are so much worse than our friends.
But I think the sanitization of this war, from 911 until today, is at root lying about this war.
We are at war.
Our enmies kill civilians by plan, butcher our uniformed soldiers in complete contradiciton of the Geneva Conventions, and plan to kill more of us.
The images of the reality of allowing the terrorists to do what the lefties want - butcher us. Are not sacrosanct.
I have a feeling Savage does not need to drum up traffic at his site. I think anyone who thinks he only became more popular during the latest immigration debate is a bit naive. I am certain that anyone who thinks the immigration, border security, and war issue - Savage's main points- are put to bed or becoming less significant in the public square, is not up to speed.
There are lots of reasons to question Savage. I have just done so on the other Savage thread. But asserting that his use of these images is to salvage his plummeting ratings is not really thinking this through.
I don't have a problem with these images being made easily available to the public (they are already available to those who look for them). I would hope that Savage asked the family first, though I doubt he did. But for all we know he asked them and they said yes. I would have said yes so that my loved one's death might serve as a catalyst to keep people angry enough and committed enough to continue fighting and fight hard against this kind of evil barbarity. It seems counterintuitive, but I believe it helps give the soldier's sacrifice even more impact and meaning if it inspires people not to give up the fight he died for.
President Bush is doing a terrible job of persuading the people that this war is real and necessary. A few images like these can go a very long way toward stiffening people's resolve and persuading the doubting, wavering public that the war is most definitely real, and it is the Islamicists who are the enemy perpetrating evil, not our own soldiers and president.
I know that many are saying Savage should show those images to "wake up America!". That approach simply will not work. I spent 30 years as a professional firefighter in SoCal and I saw things more grotesque than those pictures. If we were to take the approach many are suggesting, then perhaps we should be putting the maimed and dismembered bodies from auto accidents on the front pages of our newspapers to give people an appreciation of why they should be careful while driving. I'm being facetious I know, but I do believe that most Americans need no such visual reminder of the seriousness of the conflict we are embroiled in. I truly do not know Savage's motive for posting those and the one's depicting the other beheadings, and due to that will not be critcal of his actions. I would suppose that his viewers and listeners comprise a small number, and unless someone makes a big deal about these pics, then not many American's who would not normally be predisposed to tuning in, would ever see them and respond accordingly. I think he is getting more "exposure" than he deserves.
Michael Savage makes me sick! Posting beheaded, mutilated American soldiers on his website. Maudie is appalled! The Old Media has done its job of keeping muslim atocities under wraps, but Michael Savage thinks he knows better than Katie Couric and Brian Williams. Damn him!! Our boys were beheaded and tortured and degraded in the name of Mohammed. I don't want to hear about it!! And don't tell me about the 'so called' Holocaust. Please write me. I'm waiting.
Maudie in Mandeville
Better luck never, and thanks for revealing the gaping holes in your soul.
Geh kak afen yam.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Tried googling couldn't find it.
P.S. when you do google for it, you come up first Moe.
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Problem with a language that has no set spelling.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Suffice it to say that I told the woman to take a trip to the nearest coastline, and do something scatalogical once there there. :)
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Spoken Yiddish I know enough to get by on. I have never read Yiddish. Once you said Yiddish it clicked.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I'm just from New Jersey. :)
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New York here. Either know it or have people talk behind your back in front of your face. I am picking up spanish now for the same reason.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
There's surely more than one way to romanize that, so it gets hard to search for. "Gey kakn afn yam" seems to get a few mentions on the Internet that are not from Moe Lane, heh.
Run like Reagan!
I don't like to see a so called conservative blog like Red State have a post from some dude named Eric telling us how disgusting Michael Savage is because he posts some pictures that oh so sensitive Eric finds offensive.
To then go on and tell us Savage is posting the offensive pictures for “profits and ratings " proves this guy Eric and his supporters are 100% totally clueless about who Michael Savage is and what he is all about. I feel like I at DU reading a bunch of BS posts from libs that lie and distort who Rush Limbaugh is.
I would love to see the PROOF that Savage did this for ratings. Good luck with that as you now bust out your own tin foil hat on a so called right wing site.
I don't listen to Michael Savage much anymore. Mainly this is due to other shows being on at the same time. But I have listened to Savage enough to know he is not some A-hole posting pics of dead soldiers for “ratings ". Only a total ignorant fool would even suggest such nonsense based on Michael Savage's past history regarding his huge support for the troops, his hatred for liberalism and his hate for radical Islam.
Savage gets pissed when our boys have their heads on a stick. He wants to KILL every terrorist on the planet. He also feels a rage that others NEED to also feel if we are going to win this war against the death cult called Islam. THAT is why he posted those pictures. It's also why he showed the video of the dead Kurds, including babies, Saddam gassed when he had his TV show. I remember the libs being outraged he would show such " disgusting " pictures.... sounds kinda familliar now doesn't it?
Savage knows PC people are weak and they will get us killed. So he punches the PC crowd right in the face with reality.
If some people on this site can't understand this and are oh so offended by these pictures and what they represent in regards to radical Islam, I say get out of politics and go to the E! channel and chat about Paris and her jail time.
We are in a war for our very lives. Grow up or get out of the way.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Not by my hand, although the 'death cult' thing would've done it for me.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
but you commit the same sin that you accuse the others of. You say:
I would love to see the PROOF that Savage did this for ratings.
but then you turn around and say:
Savage gets pissed when our boys have their heads on a stick. He wants to KILL every terrorist on the planet. He also feels a rage that others NEED to also feel if we are going to win this war against the death cult called Islam. THAT is why he posted those pictures
Do YOU have proof that that's why Savage posted those pictures?
I vaguely remember hearing him a long time ago and thinking that he was a solid conservative. Now, he just seems a bit crazy to use a non PC term. Either he is going for ratings or he is diving for crackers.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
I have not yet seen the images you are referring to, but pictures or no pictures, if the islamo-facists had their way we all would suffer the same fate!
I am more sickened and disgusted by the mass media's willingness to portray our troops as murderers and thugs! Additionally, I would much prefer(no matter how harsh the reality) Michael Savage's reminders of the TRUE face and GOALS of our enemies! He is the only one, telling it like it is!
Its time to take-off the "Rose Colored Glasses" that our mass-media outlets have issued us, and face-up to what our "Ground Pounders" have to face daily while in-country!
Get real...
and not a shred of decency in such a misuse of our fallen troops. Savage should be shunned.
Jack
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